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Crucis
06-29-2012, 11:11 PM
Seeing as it's the 5th inning of game 2 of the 4 games Sox-M's series and there's no IGT, I thought that I'd create a temp thread for the series until someone creates the official IGT.


Anyways, WMB and Ross just hit back-to-back HR's in the top of the 5th inning to give the Sox a 2-0 lead.

Crucis
06-29-2012, 11:14 PM
Whoa! Nava just hit a solo HR! THREE solo HR's in the 5th inning by the Sox, and they're up 3-0!

Crucis
06-29-2012, 11:28 PM
It's now the 6th inning and the home run parade continues with Salty hitting a 2 run bomb (with Ortiz on). Sox now up 5-0! (BTW, Cook is pitching very well, giving up on 1 hit thus far.)

Sweet_Caroline
06-29-2012, 11:50 PM
Yay. Finally get to watch a game.

Sweet_Caroline
06-29-2012, 11:58 PM
Holy crap. Oliver Perez

Crucis
06-30-2012, 12:11 AM
Thru 8 innings, Cook has given up only 2 hits, no runs, and only thrown 73 pitches!!! I hope that BV lets Cook try to finish this one out.

Crucis
06-30-2012, 12:31 AM
Game over. Sox win 5-0. And Cook pitched a complete game, 2 hit shutout on only 81 pitches and facing only 1 batter over the minimum. Great win!

Nomar
06-30-2012, 12:32 AM
Its official. The Mariners can make ANYBODY look good. Oil Can could throw a perfect game tomorrow against those bums.

Crucis
06-30-2012, 12:34 AM
Its official. The Mariners can make ANYBODY look good. Oil Can could throw a perfect game tomorrow against those bums.

Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing, but didn't want to diss Cook's fine effort. ;)

avrpatsfan
06-30-2012, 12:39 AM
Aaron Cook>>>>>

1_FrozenNetsFan
06-30-2012, 01:06 AM
Its official. The Mariners can make ANYBODY look good. Oil Can could throw a perfect game tomorrow against those bums.

You can say it's only Seattle but Cook pitching that well makes me wonder what the heck is gonna happen when we've got everyone back. I'm totally on the Morales wagon but Cook is giving me pause for thought. Nice power show by the Sox. Impressive! :clap:

1_FrozenNetsFan
06-30-2012, 01:07 AM
Thanx for the thread Crucis

Crucis
06-30-2012, 01:20 AM
Thanx for the thread Crucis

No prob. I like the IGT's. I may not always post in the a lot, but I like following them. And after last night's complete lack of one, I decided to create a temp one, since there was something worth commenting upon.

Crucis
06-30-2012, 01:30 AM
You can say it's only Seattle but Cook pitching that well makes me wonder what the heck is gonna happen when we've got everyone back. I'm totally on the Morales wagon but Cook is giving me pause for thought. Nice power show by the Sox. Impressive! :clap:

It's pretty incredible that two replacement starters are pitching so well when the starters at the front end of the rotation have been so unimpressive this season. So, yeah, I don't know what happens when Beckett and Buchholz return.

As for the power show, none of them were cheapies, that's for sure. Ross' HR was absolutely nuked into the upper deck. WMB's was a lot longer than one would have thought from the swing. And Nava really put a charge into his, putting it something like 15+ rows back in RF. Of the 4 dingers, Salty's was the least impressive, and even his was a solid opposite field shot. And all this in a ballpark that's supposedly very home run UNfriendly! :cool:

Nomar
06-30-2012, 02:58 AM
Btw i wasnt saying i dont like Cook. Hes pitched better than Lester even before tonight.

1_FrozenNetsFan
06-30-2012, 06:56 AM
Btw i wasnt saying i dont like Cook. Hes pitched better than Lester even before tonight.

I'm just waking up to him myself...I didn't know much about him before yesterday's game and not a heck of a lot more now but he really shined out there. Give that guy a bit of a cushion and he can pitch effortlessly. No pressure.

Sweet_Caroline
06-30-2012, 10:06 AM
MacDime would have 27 k's if they let him pitch.

Nomar
06-30-2012, 12:54 PM
MacDime would have 27 k's if they let him pitch.

@NickCafardo
RHP Darnell McDonald threw 11 shutout innings in a simulated game striking out 33 batters in a row. His gyro ball sat at 99 mph.

1_FrozenNetsFan
06-30-2012, 12:57 PM
MacDime would have 27 k's if they let him pitch.

strike out 27 times in one game? Musta been a loooooooong game.:rolleyes:

maplecitymadman
06-30-2012, 02:01 PM
I just had to comment about last nights game. Even though Seattle doesn't have the scariest offence in the league, they are still major leaguers, and Cook's pitched game last night was fantastic. To throw a complete game shutout and do it on 81 pitches is unbelieveable. I hope Mr's Lester, Beckett & Bucholtz was watching that pitching gem. I feel those 3 starters waste too many pitches in a game trying to make the opposition batter "go fishing". Going "fishing" is something you do in a boat...not on a baseball diamond!

Nomar
06-30-2012, 02:08 PM
Cook and Morales are different from our big name guys because they actually throw first pitch strikes.

Station 13
06-30-2012, 02:28 PM
Cook and Morales are different from our big name guys because they actually throw first pitch strikes.

Morales is old school, got a good fastball and dare the hitters to hit it. Lester and his stupid cutter misses half of the time and thus he is 100 pitches in 5-6 innings.

Nomar
06-30-2012, 03:50 PM
Morales is old school, got a good fastball and dare the hitters to hit it. Lester and his stupid cutter misses half of the time and thus he is 100 pitches in 5-6 innings.

His cutter is sooo bad idk why he uses it especially as much as he does.

Boston-Born
06-30-2012, 04:47 PM
Nick Cafardo ‏@nickcafardo
Not confirmed but to make room for Josh Beckett the team will have a transaction involving OF Darnell McDonald. Not sure DFA or DL.

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AI
06-30-2012, 05:38 PM
DFA'd

1_FrozenNetsFan
06-30-2012, 07:29 PM
OH NO...poor Dime

1_FrozenNetsFan
06-30-2012, 07:30 PM
I just had to comment about last nights game. Even though Seattle doesn't have the scariest offence in the league, they are still major leaguers, and Cook's pitched game last night was fantastic. To throw a complete game shutout and do it on 81 pitches is unbelieveable. I hope Mr's Lester, Beckett & Bucholtz was watching that pitching gem. I feel those 3 starters waste too many pitches in a game trying to make the opposition batter "go fishing". Going "fishing" is something you do in a boat...not on a baseball diamond!

I couldn't agree with you more. (Old fisherman here) :clap:

1_FrozenNetsFan
06-30-2012, 08:07 PM
Well at the end of today the RS will be 1/2 game out of second and 6 games over .500. Movin on up!

Crucis
07-01-2012, 12:23 AM
Well, the Sox are down 2-1 in the top of the 7th with 2 men on (1st and 3rd) and 1 out.

Let's go Red Sox!!!

Crucis
07-01-2012, 12:24 AM
Whoa! Wild pitch, and WMB scores from 3B!!! Tie Game!!!

avrpatsfan
07-01-2012, 12:30 AM
This forum is so quiet :(

Crucis
07-01-2012, 12:51 AM
This forum is so quiet :(

:cricket: :cricket: :cricket:

Crucis
07-01-2012, 01:27 AM
Nice double play to finish the bottom of the ninth. We're going to extra innings with the score 2-2. Seriously Sox, you guys should be spanking these guys. COME ON!!!

matnautico
07-01-2012, 01:49 AM
1:48 All I dont need is a 16 inning game please

Station 13
07-01-2012, 01:54 AM
Salty should not hit clean up

matnautico
07-01-2012, 01:55 AM
Sexy flip Gonzo

matnautico
07-01-2012, 02:00 AM
Salty let it go again

TedWilliams9
07-01-2012, 02:03 AM
Salty is pathetic, that's two games he just fatted the ball at the end.

SirHizz
07-01-2012, 02:03 AM
You gotta be kiddin me with this ****

Station 13
07-01-2012, 02:03 AM
****** game. Salty sucks.

grandsalami
07-01-2012, 02:10 AM
IMO. That was a hard ball to catch for salty. Anyway this loss on offense 10000000%. 1 hit with risp

Station 13
07-01-2012, 02:15 AM
0-1 post MacDimeless swags.

TedWilliams9
07-01-2012, 03:13 AM
IMO. That was a hard ball to catch for salty. Anyway this loss on offense 10000000%. 1 hit with risp

The one on Friday wasn't and he could have at least tried to catch the ball, it didn't even hit his body. He blew the game already with his constant worthlessness at the plate with two on and nobody out while he gets down 0-2 in EVERY SINGLE at bat and swings out of his *** at everything. The guy is worthless

Crucis
07-01-2012, 03:28 AM
The one on Friday wasn't and he could have at least tried to catch the ball, it didn't even hit his body. He blew the game already with his constant worthlessness at the plate with two on and nobody out while he gets down 0-2 in EVERY SINGLE at bat and swings out of his *** at everything. The guy is worthless

Oh come on. I know you're frustrated by the Sox loss, but Salty is NOT worthless. As catchers go in this current era of catchers, he's definitely above average.

But should he be batting cleanup? I'd rather have Ross hitting cleanup. I suspect that BV doesn't have WMB hitting cleanup simply because he's a rookie and he doesn't want to saddle him with too much pressure. But if BV wants a righty hitting cleanup behind Ortiz, Ross should be more than capable.

goshhhjosh
07-01-2012, 08:45 AM
Oh come on. I know you're frustrated by the Sox loss, but Salty is NOT worthless. As catchers go in this current era of catchers, he's definitely above average.

But should he be batting cleanup? I'd rather have Ross hitting cleanup. I suspect that BV doesn't have WMB hitting cleanup simply because he's a rookie and he doesn't want to saddle him with too much pressure. But if BV wants a righty hitting cleanup behind Ortiz, Ross should be more than capable.

Salty is definitely not worthless. I only watched the first 5 innings of the 3rd game (Saturday night game) because I absolutely detest games starting at 10:15 EST. However, how can the Red Sox offense only muster 2 runs against the Mariners? And honestly, how can any combination of pitchers allow the Mariners to score 3 runs? That lineup is pathetic aside from Ichiro, who is having a down year.

I agree with Cruc. I wouldn't bat Salty cleanup. Using last night's players I would do this:

Nava (S)
Pedroia (R)
Ortiz (L)
Ross (R)
Gonzalez (L)
Middlebrooks (R)
Saltalamacchia (S)
Aviles (R)
Kalish (L)

Maintains the whole L-R alternating theme.

But we all know Bobby...He's used what, 85 different lineups in 78 games lol?

goshhhjosh
07-01-2012, 09:20 AM
The Red Sox haven't won an extra innings games this year. They're 0-5.

Petertherock
07-01-2012, 09:23 AM
How does a team like the Red Sox lose 2-3 against a really crappy team...I guess we are THAT bad!

Nomar
07-01-2012, 11:12 AM
How does a team like the Red Sox lose 2-3 against a really crappy team...I guess we are THAT bad!

Dont be such a melancholy molly.

AI
07-01-2012, 11:49 AM
Nava LF
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Ross RF
Gonzalez 1B
Middlebrooks 3B
Saltalamacchia C
Kalish CF
Aviles SS

Should be our lineup going forward.

Soxfan85
07-01-2012, 12:19 PM
Nava LF
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Ross RF
Gonzalez 1B
Middlebrooks 3B
Saltalamacchia C
Kalish CF
Aviles SS

Should be our lineup going forward.

:nod:

Station 13
07-01-2012, 01:30 PM
MacDime died for our sins. Let's win it for MacDime.

Crucis
07-01-2012, 02:44 PM
Salty is definitely not worthless. I only watched the first 5 innings of the 3rd game (Saturday night game) because I absolutely detest games starting at 10:15 EST. However, how can the Red Sox offense only muster 2 runs against the Mariners? And honestly, how can any combination of pitchers allow the Mariners to score 3 runs? That lineup is pathetic aside from Ichiro, who is having a down year.

I agree with Cruc. I wouldn't bat Salty cleanup. Using last night's players I would do this:

Nava (S)
Pedroia (R)
Ortiz (L)
Ross (R)
Gonzalez (L)
Middlebrooks (R)
Saltalamacchia (S)
Aviles (R)
Kalish (L)

Maintains the whole L-R alternating theme.

But we all know Bobby...He's used what, 85 different lineups in 78 games lol?

That lineup looks good to me. I don't know if it matters all that much who bats 8th and who bats 9th. But the top 7 looks much better in that lineup than with Salty hitting 4th and Ross 7th. Ross may not be a prototypical cleanup hitter, but I feel more confident about him there than Salty. But I could foresee either later this year or maybe next season having WMB hitting cleanup, if he keeps his stats up. Were it not for him being a rookie who has just been handed the keys to the 3B job for the foreseeable future (and the pressure that goes with it), he'd probably make for a good cleanup hitter right now.

Crucis
07-01-2012, 02:45 PM
MacDime died for our sins. Let's win it for MacDime.

Win one for The Dime! :worthy:

Soxfan85
07-01-2012, 03:14 PM
Peter Arb:

SEATTLE — Mike Aviles is under the weather and was just scratched from the lineup.

Nick Punto will be the shortstop and hit ninth. The new lineup:

Lillibridge CF
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Ross RF
Gonzalez 1B
Middlebrooks 3B
Nava LF
Shoppach C
Punto SS

Station 13
07-01-2012, 04:16 PM
Awsome start.

Station 13
07-01-2012, 04:43 PM
**** this game.

Station 13
07-01-2012, 04:44 PM
without MacDime this team can't win.

TedWilliams9
07-01-2012, 04:50 PM
So you're telling me no one gets tired of watching salty get down 0-2 in every single at bat and swing at anything on the ground to strike out?

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-01-2012, 05:11 PM
without MacDime this team can't win.

The curse of MacDime?

ricomactaco
07-01-2012, 05:30 PM
Whats the FO obsession with Lillibridge. He blows. Kalish should be starting

Pittz
07-01-2012, 06:40 PM
So you're telling me no one gets tired of watching salty get down 0-2 in every single at bat and swing at anything on the ground to strike out?

He's on pace for 25+ home runs. He led all catchers in slugging last I looked. If you're not happy with that out of your catcher, you have ridiculously unrealistic expectations.

Crucis
07-01-2012, 06:47 PM
Yes! Pedey homers, and ties the game at 1-1 in the 8th.

TedWilliams9
07-01-2012, 06:49 PM
He's on pace for 25+ home runs. He led all catchers in slugging last I looked. If you're not happy with that out of your catcher, you have ridiculously unrealistic expectations.


Is everyone going to tell me he doesn't frustrate the hell out of them with the majority of his at bats?

Crucis
07-01-2012, 06:50 PM
Is everyone going to tell me he doesn't frustrate the hell out of them with the majority of his at bats?

You're not looking at the big picture.

TedWilliams9
07-01-2012, 06:59 PM
That's fine but what he has been doing has not been anything close to great in the present.

Crucis
07-01-2012, 07:03 PM
That's fine but what he has been doing has not been anything close to great in the present.

You forgetting the HR he hit Friday night?

TedWilliams9
07-01-2012, 07:05 PM
Two other guys hit one the same inning

grandsalami
07-01-2012, 07:06 PM
Middlebrooks is hurt *********

ricomactaco
07-01-2012, 07:22 PM
Thank you for putting kalish in

ricomactaco
07-01-2012, 07:22 PM
Who closes now?

ricomactaco
07-01-2012, 07:23 PM
Ace has a rubber arm

AI
07-01-2012, 09:19 PM
Watch the Pedroia HR NESN highlight, when Pedey goes to the dugout Punto is waiting for him and screams "That's what I'm talking about, **** yeah" :laugh2:

GoldDustTwin
07-01-2012, 10:35 PM
That's fine but what he has been doing has not been anything close to great in the present.

So he's got to be hitting a HR each at bat to keep all of those judging him by "the present" happy.

As was mentioned - he leads all C's in slugging and, I believe, HR's - stop inventing things to complain about.

GoldDustTwin
07-01-2012, 10:36 PM
Two other guys hit one the same inning

When other players hit a HR in the same inning, yours is only worth .5 of a run.

Green_Monster
07-01-2012, 11:03 PM
When other players hit a HR in the same inning, yours is only worth .5 of a run.

Home runs? How about his amazing .302 OBP?

Don't get me wrong, he's playing great this year, but let's not go to far.

-Lavigne43-
07-01-2012, 11:31 PM
He's a catcher and he has a OPS over .800. Getting an OPS over .800 from a catcher is extremely valuable, I can't believe anyone is complaining about him. Hes been more productive than AGon and Pedroia among others. The Salty/Shoppach platoon has worked out better than anyone could have believed.

Hard to believe we have a better record than the Rays, .5 behind the O's who look like they are finally free falling. It feels like the best has yet to come

Station 13
07-01-2012, 11:49 PM
Great to get out that hellhole. Papi had 3 warning track fly outs that are HRs everywhere else.

khanusma
07-02-2012, 02:16 AM
we had some damn good pitching over the last 6 days and particularly in this series. Wish our bats would have kept up a little more but im not complaining.

we are getting better.

Crucis
07-02-2012, 02:25 AM
Two other guys hit one the same inning

Actually not. WMB, Ross, and Nava were the ones who hit the 3 solo shots in the same inning. Salty hit a 2 run HR in the next inning and that was the only HR hit that inning.

Try paying attention next time.

Crucis
07-02-2012, 02:38 AM
Home runs? How about his amazing .302 OBP?

Don't get me wrong, he's playing great this year, but let's not go to far.

Enough of this freakin' whining about Salty!

Let's look at some STATS for a change!

Salty's #3 amongst AL starting catchers in OPS at .838.
He's 1st in HR's at 15.
He's 1st in SLG at .537.
He's 4th in AVE at .254 when you only count starting catchers who've played 60 or more games, out of approximately 80 games played per team to date.
And yes, his .302 OBP places him at 7th in the league, for starting catchers with 60 or more games.

Yes, Salty's stats are not really eye popping for all players. But when one limits the comparison to starting catchers, in this era of generally weak catching talent, Salty is well above average for catchers.

I think that it's time for people to stop whining about the Salty glass being half empty, and be thankful that it's half full (really more than half).

Crucis
07-02-2012, 02:46 AM
He's a catcher and he has a OPS over .800. Getting an OPS over .800 from a catcher is extremely valuable, I can't believe anyone is complaining about him. Hes been more productive than AGon and Pedroia among others. The Salty/Shoppach platoon has worked out better than anyone could have believed.

Absolutely, Lav. I swear that there are some people who would complain if the Sox had the second coming of Carlton Fisk behind the plate. They'd complain that he wasn't as good as Ted Williams or something.

The catching position is NOT a weak spot for this team's lineup. And if Salty's hitting cleanup, it's probably because other people aren't producing well enough to be worthy of batting cleanup where they probably should be.

gustofer1
07-02-2012, 04:26 AM
Actually not. WMB, Ross, and Nava were the ones who hit the 3 solo shots in the same inning. Salty hit a 2 run HR in the next inning and that was the only HR hit that inning.

Try paying attention next time.

or at least reading the very first page of the thread before posting.. :facepalm:

goshhhjosh
07-02-2012, 06:40 AM
I'm sorry but Bobby Valentine needs to be committed. Brent Lillibridge leading off, are you kidding me?!

Brent Lillibridge this year with both Sox:



Year G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP
2012 53 73 66 10 11 1 0 0 2 4 26 .167 .222


SMH

1_FrozenNetsFan
07-02-2012, 01:39 PM
I'm sorry but Bobby Valentine needs to be committed. Brent Lillibridge leading off, are you kidding me?!

Brent Lillibridge this year with both Sox:



Year G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP
2012 53 73 66 10 11 1 0 0 2 4 26 .167 .222


SMH

I know...hard to believe he's in the majors let alone leading off for the Boston Red Sox...good god!!! :facepalm: