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aussie
06-28-2012, 01:29 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Y! Sources: Cleveland's intrigue with selecting Syracuse's Dion Waiters at No. 4 gathering momentum. http://tinyurl.com/7jbws6n


Wow imagine this happening and Barnes/MKG falling to Portland/GS

Raps08-09 Champ
06-28-2012, 01:30 AM
they crazy. take now. get drummond.

NoahH
06-28-2012, 01:31 AM
What a reach if this happens...

Sactown
06-28-2012, 01:31 AM
smoke screen!

Wade n Fade
06-28-2012, 01:32 AM
Why are people enamoured with Waiters? I don't feel like he should be discussed this high. Heck I think all recent Syracuse players with the exception of Melo, all stink or underperform in the NBA.

b@llhog24
06-28-2012, 01:32 AM
:pray:

Raps08-09 Champ
06-28-2012, 01:32 AM
dey reach b4 year. why no again?

1. Davis
2. MKG
3. Beal
4. Waiters
5. Robinson
6. Lilliard
7. Barnes
8. Drummond

raptors get durant 2.0.

NoahH
06-28-2012, 01:46 AM
dey reach b4 year. why no again?

1. Davis
2. MKG
3. Beal
4. Waiters
5. Robinson
6. Lilliard
7. Barnes
8. Drummond

raptors get durant 2.0.

Really :confused:

greg_ory_2005
06-28-2012, 01:46 AM
Wow, I'd laugh if they actually picked him.

WITZ
06-28-2012, 01:47 AM
The article says they would consider it if both MKG and Beal are picked ahead of them so it makes a little more sense but i still call smoke screen.

aussie
06-28-2012, 01:51 AM
Really :confused:

That's who Drummond thinks he is

Raps08-09 Champ
06-28-2012, 01:54 AM
Really :confused:

he say himself he new durant.

j-bay
06-28-2012, 01:56 AM
This might be because the Wizards will taking Beal at 3 and the Bobcats 2nd pick costs too much

Baller1
06-28-2012, 01:58 AM
Not happening.

black1605
06-28-2012, 02:00 AM
This might be because the Wizards will taking Beal at 3 and the Bobcats 2nd pick costs too much

That's what I think. If they're set on a shooting guard, I guess they think he's the next best option to Beal. Could be a ploy to get Charlotte to lower their asking price on the second pick.

j-bay
06-28-2012, 02:02 AM
That's what I think. If they're set on a shooting guard, I guess they think he's the next best option to Beal. Could be a ploy to get Charlotte to lower their asking price on the second pick.

I don't think it will work. Infact i think the Bobcats would be happier if they stay in the 2nd spot because they get the guy they want.

Korman12
06-28-2012, 02:05 AM
I just don't get this.

How can this guy possibly go ahead of players like MKG or Barnes?

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 02:10 AM
Noooooooooooo!!!

WITZ
06-28-2012, 02:13 AM
The @WojYahooNBA report on Dion Waiters screams smokescreen by Cavs to land Beal at 4 or have Charlotte lower its asking price for 2.
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Highly doubt the cavs can land beal at 4 but using this as a ploy to lower the bobcats asking price makes sense.Since the cats are guaranteed 2 of the 3 of Trob, Barnes or MKG at 4 if they decide to move down.

black1605
06-28-2012, 02:16 AM
The @WojYahooNBA report on Dion Waiters screams smokescreen by Cavs to land Beal at 4 or have Charlotte lower its asking price for 2.
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Highly doubt the cavs can land beal at 4 but using this as a ploy to lower the bobcats asking price makes sense.Since the cats are guaranteed 2 of the 3 of Trob, Barnes or MKG at 4 if they decide to move down.

That's what I figured.

SugeKnight
06-28-2012, 02:18 AM
Trade with the warriors for 7, and 30 :pray:

b@llhog24
06-28-2012, 02:29 AM
This might be because the Wizards will taking Beal at 3 and the Bobcats 2nd pick costs too much

They're not passing on MKG.

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 03:17 AM
Sounds like the Cavs may be looking to move up with second pick from 24 to 8 - 12 range. That may be why they're looking a Waiters and Ross.

LTBaByyy
06-28-2012, 03:24 AM
Sounds like the Cavs may be looking to move up with second pick from 24 to 8 - 12 range. That may be why they're looking a Waiters and Ross.

Irving
Waiters
MKG
Thompson
Varajao

:clap:

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 03:27 AM
Irving
Waiters
MKG
Thompson
Varajao

:clap:

You would probably have nix Varejao in order to move up to 8-12 range. They don't really have any other assets. Unless they want to deal TT.

We_need_players
06-28-2012, 03:43 AM
You would probably have nix Varejao in order to move up to 8-12 range. They don't really have any other assets. Unless they want to deal TT.

Why do cleveland fans think Varejao is actually worth something all he does is flop like a bag of potato's, he isn't worth anywhere close to the 8-12 range

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 03:45 AM
Why do cleveland fans think Varejao is actually worth something all he does is flop like a bag of potato's, he isn't worth anywhere close to the 8-12 range

It would be in addition to the 24th pick.

JoeDirt05
06-28-2012, 03:46 AM
hell yeah hopefully this happens so the blazers can choose between barnes/mkg and lillard :)

JOhnnyTHaJet
06-28-2012, 03:47 AM
they crazy. take now. get drummond.


dey reach b4 year. why no again?

1. Davis
2. MKG
3. Beal
4. Waiters
5. Robinson
6. Lilliard
7. Barnes
8. Drummond

raptors get durant 2.0.


he say himself he new durant.

Are you practicing some sort of speech impediment or do you just not know how to form a coherent sentence?

We_need_players
06-28-2012, 03:49 AM
It would be in addition to the 24th pick.

maybe a team like portland would do it but ur not gonna get inside the top ten

LTBaByyy
06-28-2012, 03:50 AM
You would probably have nix Varejao in order to move up to 8-12 range. They don't really have any other assets. Unless they want to deal TT.

You can trade your 3 other picks for a team in 10-14

Hornets at 10 would love to get your 3 picks in the 20s and 30s for the 10th pick

They want to trade it

JoeDirt05
06-28-2012, 03:53 AM
maybe a team like portland would do it but ur not gonna get inside the top ten

why the hell would portland do it we dont want Anderson V and #24 we are perfectly happy with #6 and #11

We_need_players
06-28-2012, 03:58 AM
why the hell would portland do it we dont want Anderson V and #24 we are perfectly happy with #6 and #11

just a suggestion i think Varejao is like Gordon's contract, haha

LTBaByyy
06-28-2012, 03:59 AM
why the hell would portland do it we dont want Anderson V and #24 we are perfectly happy with #6 and #11

I rather have 6, 24, and Varajao as the starting center

Than 6, 11, and Kurt Thomas as the starting center

There are no good starting centers in this draft other than Drummond

The rest are back up bigs, you already have good young guards and forwards

JoeDirt05
06-28-2012, 04:00 AM
just a suggestion i think Varejao is like Gordon's contract, haha

oh lol yeah imo portland is sitting pretty right now and can grab whomever falls to both positions

JoeDirt05
06-28-2012, 04:01 AM
I rather have 6, 24, and Varajao as the starting center

Than 6, 11, and Kurt Thomas as the starting center

There are no good starting centers in this draft other than Drummond

The rest are back up bigs, you already have good young guards and forwards

we could always grab a center in free agency

LTBaByyy
06-28-2012, 04:04 AM
Center should be portlant #1 priority unless Kurt Thomas is what you like

Lilliard will be the 6th pick

Why draft waiters when you have Mathews

Why draft PJ3 when you have Batum

Why draft Sullinger or other PF when you have Aldridge

Lottery should be a starter, I rather sign proven veterans or young guys for bench

Not rookies

JoeDirt05
06-28-2012, 04:07 AM
Center should be portlant #1 priority unless Kurt Thomas is what you like

Lilliard will be the 6th pick

Why draft waiters when you have Mathews

Why draft PJ3 when you have Batum

Why draft Sullinger or other PF when you have Aldridge

Lottery should be a starter, I rather sign proven veterans or young guys for bench

Not rookies

mathews would be a better 6th man then starter thats why we would take a waiters if he is there at #11 but ill be happy with Lillard,Barnes, or MKG at #6

And Sullinger will be lucky to get picked before the 20's

JoeDirt05
06-28-2012, 04:09 AM
And batum is skilled enough to play the 2 if we needed thats what he plays for team france

We_need_players
06-28-2012, 04:16 AM
oh lol yeah imo portland is sitting pretty right now and can grab whomever falls to both positions

the pistons always get the player that falls, Brandon Knight and Greg Monroe:clap:

sunsfan88
06-28-2012, 05:07 AM
There are no good starting centers in this draft other than Drummond



http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

Did you forget about Anthony ****ing Davis?!

jerryred
06-28-2012, 05:38 AM
its not a big reach if that happens, Chad Ford has him as the 6 best prospect

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 05:40 AM
just a suggestion i think Varejao is like Gordon's contract, haha

Haha... So funny. Don't really get your poor attempt at a simile. I do get that is disparaging.

We_need_players
06-28-2012, 05:46 AM
Haha... So funny. Don't really get your poor attempt at a simile. I do get that is disparaging.

i wasnt kidding, :p

Raps08-09 Champ
06-28-2012, 09:07 AM
Are you practicing some sort of speech impediment or do you just not know how to form a coherent sentence?

My idol Chris Paul speaks like that. I was trying to be like my idol.

Jint.
06-28-2012, 09:27 AM
smoke screen!

:nod:

rhaas74
06-28-2012, 09:44 AM
just a suggestion i think Varejao is like Gordon's contract, haha

Varejao's contract:
12/13 season - $8.4 mil
13/14 season - $9.1 mil
14/15 season - $9.8 mil Team Option
Possible $27.3 mil ($9.1 mil average)
11/12 season stats - 18.93 PER, 10.8 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 1.7 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.7 bpg

Gordon's contract:
12/13 season - $12.4 mil
13/14 season - $13.2 mil Player Option
Possible $25.6 mil ($12.8 mil average)
11/12 season stats - 13.52 PER, 12.5 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.2 bpg

Andy has a reputation for flopping, but that was when he came into the league. He actually doesn't flop much anymore. He is one of the best big men when it comes to defending the pick and roll. That is why he made All-NBA Defense2nd team in 09/10. He was even being discussed as a possibility for the All-Star team this year.

I am not acting like Andy is a stud, but to say his contract rivals Gordon's is asanine. If his contract was anything like that there would have been no interest in trading for him last year before his fluke injury.

I Rock Shaqs
06-28-2012, 09:48 AM
Varejao's contract:
12/13 season - $8.4 mil
13/14 season - $9.1 mil
14/15 season - $9.8 mil Team Option
Possible $27.3 mil ($9.1 mil average)
11/12 season stats - 18.93 PER, 10.8 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 1.7 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.7 bpg

Gordon's contract:
12/13 season - $12.4 mil
13/14 season - $13.2 mil Player Option
Possible $25.6 mil ($12.8 mil average)
11/12 season stats - 13.52 PER, 12.5 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.2 bpg

Andy has a reputation for flopping, but that was when he came into the league. He actually doesn't flop much anymore. He is one of the best big men when it comes to defending the pick and roll. That is why he made All-NBA Defense2nd team in 09/10. He was even being discussed as a possibility for the All-Star team this year.

I am not acting like Andy is a stud, but to say his contract rivals Gordon's is asanine. If his contract was anything like that there would have been no interest in trading for him last year before his fluke injury.

and how many games did they both play?? Also advanced stats again don't tell everything, can advanced stats tell chemistry? what about the plays that were run? also Cleveland had one center on their team when "Andy" was healthy,

black1605
06-28-2012, 10:10 AM
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

Did you forget about Anthony ****ing Davis?!

Davis will probably be playing power forward in the NBA.

aussie
06-28-2012, 10:16 AM
Yeah Davis is a PF

DR_1
06-28-2012, 10:18 AM
This would just be stupid. But they did take Triatan Thompson at 4 last year and that worked out, so who knows.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2012, 10:50 AM
as a Wolves fan, I personally wouldn't touch a perimeter Syracuse player. #4 is way too high anyways.

Kashmir13579
06-28-2012, 10:50 AM
Bad move.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2012, 10:51 AM
This would just be stupid. But they did take Triatan Thompson at 4 last year and that worked out, so who knows.

yeah, but some of the so called "Stat nerds" had Thompson as the 3rd most productive expenctency coming out of the draft.

rhaas74
06-28-2012, 10:51 AM
and how many games did they both play?? Also advanced stats again don't tell everything, can advanced stats tell chemistry? what about the plays that were run? also Cleveland had one center on their team when "Andy" was healthy,

You mean where no plays were typically run for Varejao, that his points came from hustle. He averaged 4.4 offensive rebounds per game. Andy is a glue guy, with no one ever saying anything negative about him. He is the epitome of lead by example, which helped Tristan Thompson transition to the NBA. A quick search could easily point that out.

On top of that, the Cavs were 10-15 with Andy and in contention for a playoff spot. Without him the Cavs went 11-30.

I actually find it funny that you are trying to degrade Varejao's value by saying stats don't show the real picture. Anyone that watches him knows that he does all of the things that don't show up in the stat sheet.

Kashmir13579
06-28-2012, 10:53 AM
as a Wolves fan, I personally wouldn't touch a perimeter Syracuse player. #4 is way too high anyways.

What does it say that i've watched Dion closely for 2 years now and i NEVER knew he was 6ft4.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2012, 11:03 AM
What does it say that i've watched Dion closely for 2 years now and i NEVER knew he was 6ft4.

in shoes maybe. He couldn't be more than 6'2.5" w/o shoes. And with the Wes Johnson/Jonny Flynn picks, I am so turned off from Cuse guards at this point.

black1605
06-28-2012, 11:06 AM
in shoes maybe. He couldn't be more than 6'2.5" w/o shoes. And with the Wes Johnson/Jonny Flynn picks, I am so turned off from Cuse guards at this point.

What happened to Flynn? It's like he fell of the face of the earth.

Hawkeye15
06-28-2012, 11:10 AM
What happened to Flynn? It's like he fell of the face of the earth.

He was traded to the Rockets, then moved to Portland, and now is an UFA I believe. He is a terrible shooting SG stuck in a midget PG body. I hated that draft pick. In fact, outside the two butt reeming obvious picks Kahn has made (Rubio and Williams), he has literally effed up every pick he has made. Hence why I got a little woody when I found out we traded #18 for Budinger.

Kashmir13579
06-28-2012, 11:13 AM
in shoes maybe. He couldn't be more than 6'2.5" w/o shoes. And with the Wes Johnson/Jonny Flynn picks, I am so turned off from Cuse guards at this point.

Yeah, man. There is no way that he is 6'4. And if he is, he certainly doesn't play like it.

The Knicks are looking at Darius Johnson-Odom out of Marquette with the 48th pick, and tbh, i always thought he was a better player than Waiters. DJO is listed at 6'1 and for all the times i've seen DJO and Waiters standing next to each other, I never thought Waiters had inches on him.

BKLYNpigeon
06-28-2012, 11:13 AM
Waiters is going to be a really good player in the NBA. I have a feeling Warriors might draft him at #7 if he is still there.

Kashmir13579
06-28-2012, 11:14 AM
He was traded to the Rockets, then moved to Portland, and now is an UFA I believe. He is a terrible shooting SG stuck in a midget PG body. I hated that draft pick. In fact, outside the two butt reeming obvious picks Kahn has made (Rubio and Williams), he has literally effed up every pick he has made. Hence why I got a little woody when I found out we traded #18 for Budinger.

And just think, Flynn had a better feel for the PG position than Waiters ever had.

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 12:27 PM
Apparently the Cavs have released board and neither Waiters nor Ross are not in the mix at 4. Davis, Beal, MKG, Barnes.

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 12:28 PM
“@chadfordinsider: Sources: Cavs have Beal, MKG, Barnes atop board. Waiters/Ross not in mix at 4 http://t.co/soPTZh3O (insider)”

Bigbadmoffo
06-28-2012, 01:15 PM
Why would you release anything in such a tough draft? Everything us a smoke screen thus year!

MCRIZZ
06-28-2012, 01:23 PM
Sam Amick of SI.com reports that the Portland Trail Blazers could look to trade up from the No. 6 spot to the No. 3 pick held by the Washington Wizards in order to select Syracuse guard Dion Waiters.
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One executive said on Wednesday night that Cleveland (No. 4) was under the impression that Portland was attempting to use its No. 6 pick to get Washington's No. 3 pick and draft Syracuse shooting guard Dion Waiters. Then Yahoo! Sports reported that the Cavs -- who were at the front of that line of teams trying to get to No. 2 in order to pick Florida shooting guard Bradley Beal -- were seriously considering Waiters at No. 4.

While Waiters is known to be in the Cavs' mix, sending out the message that he's their guy at No. 4 could lead to Beal's landing in their lap. Here's that scenario: The Bobcats select Kansas power forward Thomas Robinson, as many expect them to do if they keep the No. 2 pick. Then the Trail Blazers, if successful in obtaining the third pick, take Waiters there, leaving Beal to Cleveland.

rickshaw
06-28-2012, 01:28 PM
Are you practicing some sort of speech impediment or do you just not know how to form a coherent sentence?

Clearly he's a caveman.

Sixerlover
06-28-2012, 01:29 PM
I think Dion is going to be a top 3 player in this draft when it's all said and done along with A.Davis and Brad Beal, so I'd see nothing wrong with it.

FlakeyFool
06-28-2012, 01:31 PM
dey reach b4 year. why no again?

1. Davis
2. MKG
3. Beal
4. Waiters
5. Robinson
6. Lilliard
7. Barnes
8. Drummond

raptors get durant 2.0.

i noe dey but eh gun pick lolz gg

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 01:49 PM
“@roadmanwknr: Interesting trade rumor per ESPN's Chris Broussard - Cavs reportedly offering Andy Varejao to Houston 4 pick #12 that could be Terrence Ross”

Arch Stanton
06-28-2012, 01:50 PM
^^^ or Waiters if avail? Or they trade 12 and 24 to grab Waiters.