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C-Style
06-27-2012, 10:26 PM
I've been watching NBA since 96 and I honestly don't remember him being a dominant defender like he was in 08.



either something is wrong with my memory or he went on a whole different level after joining the C's

AntiG
06-27-2012, 10:28 PM
9 NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000–2005, 2008–2009, 2011)
3 NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2006–2007, 2012)

Yes he was... just had a better cast and coaching around him to take him to DPOY.

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-27-2012, 10:32 PM
When he was a scrawny young teenager when he first got into the league who used to get pushed around, guys like Sam Mitchell, best friend Malik Sealy, and Joe Smith were basically his enforcers. As the yrs went on, he became tougher defensively learning from those guys, and then later on in his career, he became a defensive anchor and enforcer for guys like Rasho, Kendrick Perkins, and now Brandon Bass. It's just KG evolving, that's all.

LakersMaster24
06-27-2012, 10:34 PM
<PRE>
Season Age Tm PER DRB% TRB% STL% BLK% ORtg DRtg DWS
1995-96 19 MIN 15.8 17.0 13.1 1.9 4.4 107 107 2.6
1996-97 20 MIN 18.2 16.8 12.2 1.9 4.1 107 105 3.9
1997-98 21 MIN 20.4 19.7 13.9 2.2 3.3 109 103 4.2
1998-99 22 MIN 22.4 22.0 15.4 2.3 3.5 102 97 3.0
1999-00 23 MIN 23.6 26.6 17.1 1.9 2.8 107 99 5.6
2000-01 24 MIN 23.9 25.3 16.4 1.8 3.2 108 99 4.8
2001-02 25 MIN 23.8 26.5 17.8 1.6 2.9 111 101 4.9
2002-03 26 MIN 26.4 28.5 18.8 1.8 2.8 113 98 5.8
2003-04 27 MIN 29.4 30.0 20.1 2.0 4.0 112 92 8.0
2004-05 28 MIN 28.2 30.2 20.3 2.1 2.6 117 99 6.0
2005-06 29 MIN 26.8 29.7 19.6 1.9 2.7 117 98 5.9
2006-07 30 MIN 24.1 30.8 19.5 1.6 3.2 110 101 4.9
2007-08 31 BOS 25.3 25.1 16.8 2.3 3.1 118 94 6.2
2008-09 32 BOS 21.2 26.7 16.6 1.9 3.1 112 98 4.1
2009-10 33 BOS 19.4 24.8 15.1 1.7 2.2 112 101 3.8
2010-11 34 BOS 20.6 28.7 17.5 2.3 2.0 110 95 5.6
2011-12 35 BOS 20.4 25.8 15.6 1.6 2.5 106 94 4.3
Career 23.3 25.7 17.0 1.9 3.1 111 99 83.5
</PRE>

Heres the stats :)

LakersMaster24
06-27-2012, 10:36 PM
Season Age Tm PER DRB% TRB% STL% BLK% ORtg DRtg DWS
1995-96 19 MIN 15.8 17.0 13.1 1.9 4.4 107 107 2.6
1996-97 20 MIN 18.2 16.8 12.2 1.9 4.1 107 105 3.9
1997-98 21 MIN 20.4 19.7 13.9 2.2 3.3 109 103 4.2
1998-99 22 MIN 22.4 22.0 15.4 2.3 3.5 102 97 3.0
1999-00 23 MIN 23.6 26.6 17.1 1.9 2.8 107 99 5.6
2000-01 24 MIN 23.9 25.3 16.4 1.8 3.2 108 99 4.8
2001-02 25 MIN 23.8 26.5 17.8 1.6 2.9 111 101 4.9
2002-03 26 MIN 26.4 28.5 18.8 1.8 2.8 113 98 5.8
2003-04 27 MIN 29.4 30.0 20.1 2.0 4.0 112 92 8.0
2004-05 28 MIN 28.2 30.2 20.3 2.1 2.6 117 99 6.0
2005-06 29 MIN 26.8 29.7 19.6 1.9 2.7 117 98 5.9
2006-07 30 MIN 24.1 30.8 19.5 1.6 3.2 110 101 4.9
2007-08 31 BOS 25.3 25.1 16.8 2.3 3.1 118 94 6.2
2008-09 32 BOS 21.2 26.7 16.6 1.9 3.1 112 98 4.1
2009-10 33 BOS 19.4 24.8 15.1 1.7 2.2 112 101 3.8
2010-11 34 BOS 20.6 28.7 17.5 2.3 2.0 110 95 5.6
2011-12 35 BOS 20.4 25.8 15.6 1.6 2.5 106 94 4.3
Career 23.3 25.7 17.0 1.9 3.1 111 99 83.5


This one is more clear, mods can delete the other stat table.

Fresno
06-27-2012, 10:36 PM
Yes he was always a great defender.

The difference in Boston was Perkins was far better of a defensive C than KG ever played with. This allowed him to focus much more on man defense where he's one of the greatest we've ever seen at the PF at doing that.

Also he's 20-30lbs heavier than he was maybe 10 years ago in Minnesota. Most of that is muscle or simply weight he's been able to keep on. For much of his career his playing weight was around 225lbs or less as he looked to be much quicker & agile on offense to be the mismatch nightmare he was. But now as he's settled into being a mid-range type of guy who steps out and hits jumpers instead of a guy who needs to be quick & agile, he's gotten up to 262lbs at times although he's listed at 253lbs in their media guide.

Fresno
06-27-2012, 10:41 PM
When he was a scrawny young teenager when he first got into the league who used to get pushed around, guys like Sam Mitchell, best friend Malik Sealy, and Joe Smith were basically his enforcers. As the yrs went on, he became tougher defensively learning from those guys, and then later on in his career, he became a defensive anchor and enforcer for guys like Rasho, Kendrick Perkins, and now Brandon Bass. It's just KG evolving, that's all.
Good point. Forgot about the old T'Wolves enforcers.

He's also been able to add on weight to play the C position now.

The thought of KG being a full-time C 10 years ago would've been laughed at because of how slim he was without a wide enough frame or muscle mass.

He stepped into the C position and put up great numbers this season.

RollinDeep
06-27-2012, 10:51 PM
Yes he was always a great defender.

The difference in Boston was Perkins was far better of a defensive C than KG ever played with. This allowed him to focus much more on man defense where he's one of the greatest we've ever seen at the PF at doing that.

Also he's 20-30lbs heavier than he was maybe 10 years ago in Minnesota. Most of that is muscle or simply weight he's been able to keep on. For much of his career his playing weight was around 225lbs or less as he looked to be much quicker & agile on offense to be the mismatch nightmare he was. But now as he's settled into being a mid-range type of guy who steps out and hits jumpers instead of a guy who needs to be quick & agile, he's gotten up to 262lbs at times although he's listed at 253lbs in their media guide.

He's really listed that high? Watching him it never looked he was even that heavy. All this time I kept thinking he's been at 225 this whole time. I would imagine he would want to keep his playing weight down at this point in his career to keep his legs under less duress.

As far as a defensive stud, he's always been that. He just had the misfortune of being in Minnesota forever, although he did sign a massive contract with them.

C-Style
06-27-2012, 10:56 PM
Who did he shut down, I don't remember any memorable games? Duncan , Webber?

MadBomber
06-28-2012, 12:29 AM
fierce competitor and played defensively like someone stole his lunch money.

b@llhog24
06-28-2012, 12:37 AM
Top 3 defensive Pf of all time.

b@llhog24
06-28-2012, 12:41 AM
Who did he shut down, I don't remember any memorable games? Duncan , Webber?

Against Webber.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=garneke01&p2=webbech01

Against Duncan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=garneke01&p2=duncati01

bigsams50
06-28-2012, 04:07 AM
He never got the recognition he deserved because he played in a small market most of his career. But he has always been a beast defensively.

Antipod
06-28-2012, 05:01 AM
Hate the player and character, love him is he plays for your team :)

bagwell368
06-28-2012, 05:31 AM
Yes he was always a great defender.

The difference in Boston was Perkins was far better of a defensive C than KG ever played with.

Perkins was a stiff until KG and Coach T made the scene. I.E. KG made Perk not the other way around. Guys like Ray Allen who had never played much D - all of a sudden did. Posey was another one. Even PP shaped up. KG was the catalyst. Coach T had the plan.

I saw Larry Bird's rookie year up close - the Celts team that went from worst record in the the league (29 wins) to 61 wins, and I think KG's impact was greater then Bird's that year.

bagwell368
06-28-2012, 05:32 AM
He never got the recognition he deserved because he played in a small market most of his career. But he has always been a beast defensively.

No. He really wasn't. Too young, too skinny. His first 5 years or so he simply wasn't as good. He got bigger, more ferocious as the years came and went.

StarvingKnick22
06-28-2012, 11:08 AM
9 NBA All-Defensive First Team (20002005, 20082009, 2011)
3 NBA All-Defensive Second Team (20062007, 2012)

Yes he was... just had a better cast and coaching around him to take him to DPOY.

this

b@llhog24
06-28-2012, 03:39 PM
Perkins was a stiff until KG and Coach T made the scene. I.E. KG made Perk not the other way around. Guys like Ray Allen who had never played much D - all of a sudden did. Posey was another one. Even PP shaped up. KG was the catalyst. Coach T had the plan.

I don't think he's diminishing KG's impact but just saying that Perkins was probably the best defensive center he has ever played with, thus allowing KG to have one less defensive responsibility (for lack of a better word).

C-Style
06-28-2012, 03:43 PM
To me, he became a whole different beast in 08

b@llhog24
06-28-2012, 03:52 PM
To me, he became a whole different beast in 08

Healthy bodies, players that were actually capable of defending, reduced offensive role and Thibs defensive schemes.

Carey
06-28-2012, 03:53 PM
As people pointed after his first few yrs in the league he got a bit stronger and took the defensive end more seriously and became on of the better defensive players i've seen. He plays the pick and roll better even at his age then any big ive seen, so much so that i wouldnt even run one using his man. He's equally as smart as a position defender and can still be a weak side help guy. He really is that good.