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spreadeagle
06-27-2012, 05:09 PM
The Atlanta Hawks have aggressively tried to trade power forward Josh Smith to the Lakers for Pau Gasol, initially expressing interest in Gasol shortly after Oklahoma City eliminated the Lakers in the Western Conference semifinals, The Times has learned. Smith has been unhappy in Atlanta for more than a year, his dissatisfaction starting after the 2010-11 season because he felt he was an unfair target of criticism by coaches and media members

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-atlanta-hawks-target-gasol-20120627,0,889901.story

avrpatsfan
06-27-2012, 05:11 PM
The Lakers would be insane to not accept this trade.

We_need_players
06-27-2012, 05:12 PM
Atlanta fans atm: :facepalm:

Laker Fans: :clap::speechless:

ichitownclowni
06-27-2012, 05:12 PM
If some how the Lakers get a 1st in this deal then this is highway robbery

Leftcoast_yg
06-27-2012, 05:14 PM
All I gotta say is....IN YOUR FACE!!! Laker haters.

SteBO
06-27-2012, 05:15 PM
I'm extremely estatic if I'm a Laker fan. You get younger, and more athletic with this move.

Leftcoast_yg
06-27-2012, 05:18 PM
Btw this would put Horford @ the 4 position and would really shine there especially with Pau's passing ability to find frontcourt teamates while on the block

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 05:19 PM
haha Kobe and jump shooting Smith. Have fun.

Gasol and Horford could play well together.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gasolpa01&y1=2012&p2=smithjo03&y2=2012

Iron24th
06-27-2012, 05:19 PM
I think this trade could help both teams.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-27-2012, 05:21 PM
Seems like a fair deal. Gasol and Horford would be so legit.

ichitownclowni
06-27-2012, 05:23 PM
Smith and Bynum will be fun

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 05:23 PM
Atlanta would no doubt have the best front court in the East with this move. Hopefully for the Laker's sake Smith and Bynum don't bang heads and Kobe could get Smith to play like a PF that can't shoot 3's.

Leftcoast_yg
06-27-2012, 05:27 PM
haha Kobe and jump shooting Smith. Have fun.

Gasol and Horford could play well together.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gasolpa01&y1=2012&p2=smithjo03&y2=2012

Are you suggesting Kobe and Smith are equal at their ability to make a jumpshot???

Eg714
06-27-2012, 05:30 PM
If they include a first rounder I think the lakers should consider it.

bigsams50
06-27-2012, 05:31 PM
Are you suggesting Kobe and Smith are equal at their ability to make a jumpshot???

He's saying that Smith falls in love with his jumper, even though it isnt very good

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 05:31 PM
Are you suggesting Kobe and Smith are equal at their ability to make a jumpshot???

Nope. Kobe of last year with Smith shooting his airballs will make Lakers fans go crazy.


I think there will be more to a Smith/Gasol trade. Hawks will either get a pick or a 3rd team will be involved. We might move Marvin in this as well.

shep33
06-27-2012, 05:31 PM
Not a big fan of Smith, honestly think Gasol is the superior player easily despite his age.

Oh and the Hawks would need to add another player because salaries dont' match.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 05:32 PM
If they include a first rounder I think the lakers should consider it.

other way around. Lakers have to throw in a pick. Hawks should laugh and hang up if we have to include one.

SiteWolf
06-27-2012, 05:32 PM
If they include a first rounder I think the lakers should consider it.

are you freaking kidding? it's borderline to even think of Pau for Smith straight up...and you want a 1st round pick, too?!

shep33
06-27-2012, 05:33 PM
Nope. Kobe of last year with Smith shooting his airballs will make Lakers fans go crazy.


I think there will be more to a Smith/Gasol trade. Hawks will either get a pick or a 3rd team will be involved. We might move Marvin in this as well.

I watched a lot of your guy's games this year, and holy Javele McGee Batman, did Smith ever take some brutal shots.

Yeah you guys would have to add someone like Williams, because salaries don't match.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 05:33 PM
Not a big fan of Smith, honestly think Gasol is the superior player easily despite his age.

Oh and the Hawks would need to add another player because salaries dont' match.

This is why I think a 3rd team will be involved or Marvin is going to be in a Lakers uni too.

LoveMeOrHateMe
06-27-2012, 05:34 PM
I don't like this for the lakers we are a half court team smith isn't a half court guy, so idk about this but I heard smith is Howard's best friend? So maybe do the trade then lure Howard to come to LA and sign the extension!

Bynum for Dwight?

LoveMeOrHateMe
06-27-2012, 05:35 PM
other way around. Lakers have to throw in a pick. Hawks should laugh and hang up if we have to include one.

Not sure if serious? Lmfao :facepalm:

Avenged
06-27-2012, 05:35 PM
:confused:

Hell no.

Im surprised at the comments in here..

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 05:36 PM
Not sure if serious? Lmfao :facepalm:

Keep Gasol then. Lakers love to bash him until they can trade him for Smith then they praise him. Oh well.

shep33
06-27-2012, 05:38 PM
This is why I think a 3rd team will be involved or Marvin is going to be in a Lakers uni too.

Yeah, either him or Zaza make the salaries pretty close I think. Maybe a 3rd team gets involved who knows

BigBongTheory
06-27-2012, 05:40 PM
Could be making moves to try and bring in Howard, who knows..Too many theories. My head is going to blow the **** up.

spreadeagle
06-27-2012, 05:40 PM
Atlanda would look decent

LoveMeOrHateMe
06-27-2012, 05:40 PM
Keep Gasol then. Lakers love to bash him until they can trade him for Smith then they praise him. Oh well.

We'll gladly keep him he fits our system better then smith

Pau better passer scorer and rebounder more efficient

spreadeagle
06-27-2012, 05:41 PM
This is why I think a 3rd team will be involved or Marvin is going to be in a Lakers uni too.

Well with Lakers said to want top 10 pick, Raptors wanting to trade pick and Atl wanting to trade Smith, what about

Lakers get Calderon "expiring deal" #8 pick and Amir Johnson "makes salary's work, decent PF replacement for Gasol"

Atlanta gets Gasol


Raptors get J Smith, the young scoring SF they want

TheWhiteMamba
06-27-2012, 05:42 PM
Seems like a good trade for both team.

Structures
06-27-2012, 05:44 PM
Why would the Hawks do this? Smith is 26 and less expensive. Even if he did want out, why take Gasol for him? They could easily get a top 10 pick for Smoove. Try and trade him and get Drummond. Gasol? I just dont see the logic.

Gibby
06-27-2012, 05:45 PM
i agree its a good trade for both teams. Lakers become more athletic. gasol was not effective since bynum was established as a top center. I see Gasol and Horford working well together.

shep33
06-27-2012, 05:48 PM
Gasol + Horford is a very good combo.

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-27-2012, 05:49 PM
This will be an interesting next 24-30 hrs. :dance:

thekmp211
06-27-2012, 05:51 PM
gasol and horford is quite the combo. not sure if smith is lakers material. he and bynum might be a little too .. aloof.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-27-2012, 05:52 PM
hell no, Smith is a bum on offense

Pakman
06-27-2012, 06:03 PM
Not sure if serious? Lmfao :facepalm:

Keep Gasol then. Lakers love to bash him until they can trade him for Smith then they praise him. Oh well.enough already. Ashamed to be a fellow raiders fan with the likes of you.

Chacarron
06-27-2012, 06:05 PM
This is a great trade for the Hawks. Interesting for the Lakers...

Davidgta1
06-27-2012, 06:09 PM
I hope we pull the trigger on this trade.

C-Style
06-27-2012, 06:09 PM
aww lawd, let this be true!

C-Style
06-27-2012, 06:10 PM
I hope we pull the trigger on this trade.

ME TOO, I hope we ca get Marvin Williams too

C-Style
06-27-2012, 06:10 PM
This is a great trade for the Hawks. Interesting for the Lakers...

Specially if Lakers get Dwight. :clap:

D will be sick

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 06:12 PM
Why would the Hawks do this? Smith is 26 and less expensive. Even if he did want out, why take Gasol for him? They could easily get a top 10 pick for Smoove. Try and trade him and get Drummond. Gasol? I just dont see the logic.

This is what I want the most. Any team in the top 10 picks want Gasol in a 3-way?

310Casper
06-27-2012, 06:12 PM
gasol 2 years left, 38 million

josh smith. 1 year left, 13 million


Financial no brainer. bye bye gasol

ssnsocalfan
06-27-2012, 06:13 PM
I like j smooth, but not for Pau!!!!! Pau will be a all star center in the east!!!

Catfish1314
06-27-2012, 06:14 PM
A Gasol/Horford frontcourt would be beautiful. Two great passers who can play and defend both frontcourt spots. A change of scenery might be exactly what Gasol needs to get his postseason testicles back.

Smith would make the Lakers younger, more athletic, and give them a secondary ball handler from the perimeter.

I think that's a good deal for both sides honestly.

Davidgta1
06-27-2012, 06:14 PM
ME TOO, I hope we ca get Marvin Williams too

That would be great.

SiteWolf
06-27-2012, 06:14 PM
want Gasol in a 3-way?

care to rephrase? :p

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 06:16 PM
care to rephrase? :p

Nope because if someone trades it's top 10 pick for Gasol, they are bound to be screwed. ;)

310Casper
06-27-2012, 06:21 PM
Pau will be a all star center in the east!!!

Maybe 2-3 years ago. Not so much anymore.

dsonLAL24
06-27-2012, 06:23 PM
if the hawks include the 23rd pick...done deal!

Davidgta1
06-27-2012, 06:25 PM
Maybe 2-3 years ago. Not so much anymore.

If Dwight is traded to the rockets he will be.

Bravo95
06-27-2012, 06:25 PM
A Gasol/Horford frontcourt would be beautiful. Two great passers who can play and defend both frontcourt spots.
Indeed.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 06:27 PM
if the hawks include the 23rd pick...done deal!

Yeah, let's trade a 26 year old Josh Smith for an aging Gasol and more money added to our already large salary (our entire team's salary will be Joe/Gasol/Horford). Whats that you say? You want our draft pick too? Can't say no to that, here you go. What? You want Jeff Teague as well? Why you........ ok, here you go.


We are already over the cap with 5-6 guys on the roster. Trading one to get 1 player with more salary doesn't seem like what a real GM would do. The rumor GMs might.

C-Style
06-27-2012, 06:28 PM
That would be great.

He's exactly what we need at SF. he's young athletic, slasher & a sniper!

C-Style
06-27-2012, 06:28 PM
A Gasol/Horford frontcourt would be beautiful. Two great passers who can play and defend both frontcourt spots. A change of scenery might be exactly what Gasol needs to get his postseason testicles back.

Smith would make the Lakers younger, more athletic, and give them a secondary ball handler from the perimeter.

I think that's a good deal for both sides honestly.

This makes too much sense for both teams, specially, SPEACIALLY if the Lakers can get Dwight

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 06:31 PM
This makes too much sense for both teams, specially, SPEACIALLY if the Lakers can get Dwight

Makes too much sense for both teams other than the fact that the Hawks need to shed salary to even have a 12 man team this year. Adding 1 guy with more salary isn't what I would call unloading.

Bravo95
06-27-2012, 06:32 PM
I watched a lot of your guy's games this year, and holy Javele McGee Batman, did Smith ever take some brutal shots.
:laugh2:

Chronz
06-27-2012, 06:33 PM
A year or 2 ago this wouldve been a great trade for Atlanta, but it could still help them. I still believe in Pau.

Bravo95
06-27-2012, 06:35 PM
He's exactly what we need at SF. he's young athletic, slasher & a sniper!
He's not a SF though. It's best not to encourage more long Js by putting him on the perimeter.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 06:37 PM
Who put this rumor out? Magic Johnson?

C-Style
06-27-2012, 06:38 PM
He's not a SF though. It's best not to encourage more long Js by putting him on the perimeter.

are we talking about the same player here?

Eagles710
06-27-2012, 06:39 PM
i cant understand this trade at all, like not even a lil ? ... Why would atlanta want Gasol For Josh Smith?

dsonLAL24
06-27-2012, 06:41 PM
Yeah, let's trade a 26 year old Josh Smith for an aging Gasol and more money added to our already large salary (our entire team's salary will be Joe/Gasol/Horford). Whats that you say? You want our draft pick too? Can't say no to that, here you go. What? You want Jeff Teague as well? Why you........ ok, here you go.


We are already over the cap with 5-6 guys on the roster. Trading one to get 1 player with more salary doesn't seem like what a real GM would do. The rumor GMs might.

Well the Hawks are going after Pau, according to reports. You mad??? :mad:

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 06:42 PM
Well the Hawks are going after Pau, according to reports. You mad??? :mad:

The same reports that had Smith being traded the last few years? Does that report say anything in how we are going to shed salary to sign 6 more players?

ManningToTyree
06-27-2012, 06:44 PM
Seems like a fair deal for both teams in the short term.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 06:45 PM
OH, LATIMES is reporting this. OK, now I get it. Meanwhile Rockets will pursue Josh Smith according to ESPN's Marc Stein. Oh reports.

Prediction, Smith will get traded for draft picks, or will be a Hawk at the start of the season.

dsonLAL24
06-27-2012, 06:46 PM
The same reports that had Smith being traded the last few years? Does that report say anything in how we are going to shed salary to sign 6 more players?

Calm down. I'm just giving my opinion about the report. Jeez! :facepalm:

Teeboy1487
06-27-2012, 06:46 PM
I would do this in a hot second and trade Bynum for a top pick.

Gritz
06-27-2012, 06:46 PM
Laker fans already should know this isn't happening, all the trades the lakers make are hardly ever leaked

Gritz
06-27-2012, 06:47 PM
I would do this in a hot second and trade Bynum for a top pick.

wow

Teeboy1487
06-27-2012, 06:50 PM
wow

Don't kill me man. I hate Bynum that much :D.

310Casper
06-27-2012, 06:53 PM
Trading the 2nd best center in the league who is 24 years old for a draft pick who hasnt played a game in the NBA.

This is why GM's are GM's and psd posters are psd posters.

ThunderousDemon
06-27-2012, 06:54 PM
Trading the 2nd best center in the league who is 24 years old for a draft pick who hasnt played a game in the NBA.

This is why GM's are GM's and psd posters are psd posters.

lol I was going to post something similar to this in response to Teeboy1487

JordansBulls
06-27-2012, 06:54 PM
Kobe for Joe Johnson and Kirk Hinrich should happen so that we can get our Lebron vs Kobe in the playoffs matchup finally.:)

ThunderousDemon
06-27-2012, 06:56 PM
Kobe for Joe Johnson and Kirk Hinrich should happen so that we can get our Lebron vs Kobe in the playoffs matchup finally.:)

I know you're joking but don't.

ironkobe
06-27-2012, 07:00 PM
kobe vs lebron want be fun anymore

Bravo95
06-27-2012, 07:05 PM
Kobe for Joe Johnson and Kirk Hinrich should happen so that we can get our Lebron vs Kobe in the playoffs matchup finally :)
Then sign Steve Nash at vet minimum for a 2-year run.

Nash
Bryant
who cares
Horford
Gasol

:drool:

still1ballin
06-27-2012, 07:08 PM
Laker fans already should know this isn't happening, all the trades the lakers make are hardly ever leaked

The sessions trade was leaked

The goods
06-27-2012, 07:09 PM
Who put this rumor out? Magic Johnson?

Oh yeah we could use some of your Sig in la la land. Lol

The goods
06-27-2012, 07:09 PM
We need a PG to pair with smith Kobe and Bynum if this happens.

GThawks
06-27-2012, 07:10 PM
I like Pau but I would not trade him for Josh Smith straight up. Josh is younger, better and costs less. Hope we don't do this deal.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 07:21 PM
I like Pau but I would not trade him for Josh Smith straight up. Josh is younger, better and costs less. Hope we don't do this deal.

I don't think we will. Over the cap already, and doing a player swap when we need 6 more guys isn't what an NBA team will do. I expect more unloading (for cheaper, younger players like draft picks) than swapping if any trades happen with ATL.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 07:32 PM
All you need to know:


And a big caveat is that his report says the Hawks first expressed interest in Gasol after Los Angeles was eliminated from the playoffs by the Thunder, back when Rick Sund was still Hawks GM.

The Hawks have since hired GM Danny Ferry, who says he’s focused more on building long term.

LA Times writer brought this "rumor" up himself for something the ex-Hawks GM Sund wanted about a month ago. Sounds to me Ferry wants to rebuild (which I hope the Hawks do instead.).

Losoway
06-27-2012, 07:33 PM
HONESTLY.....Josh smith is one of my favorite players i was hoping the nets get him but the lakers are high if they dont do this deal asap

shep33
06-27-2012, 07:34 PM
I think this is all BS.

Atl Bill
06-27-2012, 07:38 PM
This trade doesn't happen. We wouldn't trade Jsmoove for an aging Pau with a higher salary, and don't get back anything to help our team build. PLZ SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN JUST LIKE THE OTHER THREAD ABOUT HAWKS CLEARING HOUSE FIRE SALE WAS BS. HAWKS WILL ONLY TRADE JSMOOVE AT THE DEADLINE a team like Chicago would over pay espically if he has the same type of season again, or we would let him play with horford have his numbers go down and so do his demands. Jsmoove even at 16 mill per season would stay in ATL he isn't #1 option or a guy to build a team around. Solid piece on the team n thats all.

3ballbomber
06-27-2012, 07:42 PM
lol @ people who thinks this is a good trade for LA.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 07:42 PM
There are also other rumors about Lakers trading Gasol for a top 10 pick and Hawks looking to trade up, calling Billy Donovan about Beal, etc.

king4day
06-27-2012, 08:31 PM
I'd do this if I'm atlanta. Make one last run at it. Gasol is an upgrade over Smith IMO. He's a legit post presence and could give the Hawks a dynamic they've never seen during the JJ era.

If Ferry is talking about rebuilding then he should worry more about finding a taker for Johnson. That contract will make it very difficult to rebuild since you're going to be a middle of the pack team as long as he's there.

shep33
06-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Atlanta can't rebuild with Johnson under contract. Might as well take Pau on for 2 years, and we know he'll still be more productive than his 17 and 10 in LA this past season as the 3rd option.

Joe Johnson is still owed around $90 million...

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 08:45 PM
Atlanta can't rebuild with Johnson under contract. Might as well take Pau on for 2 years, and we know he'll still be more productive than his 17 and 10 in LA this past season as the 3rd option.

Joe Johnson is still owed around $90 million...

Still have the amnesty, or he can like getting paid and help out young guys in the process.

Assuming everyone thinks Kobe/Gasol/Bynum > Joe/Gasol/Horford, so why are people acting like that Hawks team can contend?

shep33
06-27-2012, 08:47 PM
Also for people calling Pau "washed-up" and "declining". This past year he put up better numbers than Smith in all categories outside of ppg (Smith shot the ball 2.6 times more and at a clip of -4% less than Pau), steals, and blocks by +0.3. This was Smith's best year ever and you can make an argument that Pau as the 3rd option in LA still put up better numbers.

Not saying Smith is a bad player, he's an awesome player, my point is Pau is getting overlooked big time.

Atlanta with Joe, Teague, Horford, and Pau is a serious threat. I can't come up with a better frontline out east then Horford and Pau, seems like they'd compliment each other perfectly

C-Style
06-27-2012, 08:49 PM
Its gonna go down i can feel it

C-Style
06-27-2012, 08:49 PM
Also for people calling Pau "washed-up" and "declining". This past year he put up better numbers than Smith in all categories outside of ppg (Smith shot the ball 2.6 times more and at a clip of -4% less than Pau), steals, and blocks by +0.3. This was Smith's best year ever and you can make an argument that Pau as the 3rd option in LA still put up better numbers.

Not saying Smith is a bad player, he's an awesome player, my point is Pau is getting overlooked big time.

Atlanta with Joe, Teague, Horford, and Pau is a serious threat. I can't come up with a better frontline out east then Horford and Pau, seems like they'd compliment each other perfectly


By Hawkfans

shep33
06-27-2012, 08:50 PM
Still have the amnesty, or he can like getting paid and help out young guys in the process.

Assuming everyone thinks Kobe/Gasol/Bynum > Joe/Gasol/Horford, so why are people acting like that Hawks team can contend?

Yeah, but that's still $90 mill he's owed. That's a lot of money to amnesty a good player for still.

And I think that Hawks team would actually be better than they have been in the past few years. I can see Pau putting up 20 and 11 with ATL.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 08:54 PM
Yeah, but that's still $90 mill he's owed. That's a lot of money to amnesty a good player for still.

And I think that Hawks team would actually be better than they have been in the past few years. I can see Pau putting up 20 and 11 with ATL.

I'd still rather try to trade Smith for a draft pick (Drummond) and even Horford (who wouldn't trade a pick for him? Prob could get more) if it came down to it for a top pick (MKG). Have Joe be the vet that burns most of the salary, or if a team wants him, that could work too.

Smith isn't the only problem with this Hawk's core so swapping players (which I still think won't happen due to the salary cap and the fact that we only have half a team right now and still over the cap) won't solve our problems.

Let's just say a Smith (or even Smith/Marvin) for Gasol happens, we would have 6 (or 5) players on the roster and over the cap. Do we ask Joe and Gasol to cut salary in half to sign 6 guys? Trading Smith, who is our biggest trade piece outside of Horford would be best suited for a cheaper, younger draft pick, so the rest of the money can go to other signings.

Structures
06-27-2012, 09:00 PM
I'd still rather try to trade Smith for a draft pick (Drummond) and even Horford (who wouldn't trade a pick for him? Prob could get more) if it came down to it for a top pick (MKG). Have Joe be the vet that burns most of the salary, or if a team wants him, that could work too.

Smith isn't the only problem with this Hawk's core so swapping players (which I still think won't happen due to the salary cap and the fact that we only have half a team right now and still over the cap) won't solve our problems.

Let's just say a Smith (or even Smith/Marvin) for Gasol happens, we would have 6 (or 5) players on the roster and over the cap. Do we ask Joe and Gasol to cut salary in half to sign 6 guys? Trading Smith, who is our biggest trade piece outside of Horford would be best suited for a cheaper, younger draft pick, so the rest of the money can go to other signings.

Im pretty sure there is a lottery team who would happily take Smoove and the Hawks could take Drummond OR if they trade with Houston (getting a bunch of mid-round picks) they could take Zeller/Meyers along with a few other young pieces.

It's not that Gasol is a bad player, he just doesn't seem like the right fit (salary/age wise).

Oh, and F the raiders :D

reffahead
06-27-2012, 10:47 PM
Pau is declining while Smith is still getting better. Atl would have a very good year with pau but the window is a year. You have to allow yourself a 3 year window minimum imo.

Wolfman01
06-27-2012, 10:50 PM
I don't know what the Hawks are thinking. Better for the Hawks just to trade Josh Smith for a player that is still young and have the same value or trade him for a 2012 top 10 pick.

Hellcrooner
06-27-2012, 10:52 PM
for those asking why would Ferry want pau?

Well.

Celtics= Desintegrating, no more kg, no more ray ray etc.
Magic= desintegrating , no more dwight.
Bulls= Rose injured for most of the seaosn, trying to sell deng.
Knicks=....they are just a whorehouse and everyone out of Ny Knows it.

a JJ/Pau/Horford/Teague based team has a CHANCE to make the east finals.
Yeah they wont beat the heat, but at least they would have somethng nice to throw at their fans to encourage them to fill their sits.

So? why not? in the end they can wait for pau to expire and THEN amnesty JJ and have all the cap in the world.

naps
06-27-2012, 11:10 PM
And somehow Gasol is being once again involved in another gift. Who would have thought he would be so lucky to be part of another rape? Good lord.

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-27-2012, 11:12 PM
And somehow Gasol is being once again involved in another gift. Who would have though he would be so lucky to be part of another rape? Good lord.

They want to pair Horford and Pau together.

naps
06-27-2012, 11:14 PM
They want to pair Horford and Pau together.

Ofcourse!

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-27-2012, 11:16 PM
Ofcourse!

To be honest, I don't think it happens.

*Silver&Black*
06-27-2012, 11:16 PM
They want to pair Horford and Pau together.

They don't. "They" has been replaced. Sund did. That LA Times writer wants it. Danny Ferry is now the GM. Old rumor is an old rumor being brought back right in time for the draft by an LA writer that obviously don't follow Atlanta's sports to know there has been a change in who does the trading.

Vinylman
06-27-2012, 11:17 PM
They don't. "They" has been replaced. Sund did. That LA Times writer wants it. Danny Ferry is now the GM. Old rumor is an old rumor being brought back right in time for the draft by an LA writer that obviously don't follow Atlanta's sports to know there has been a change in who does the trading.

ding ding ding....

we have a winner

naps
06-27-2012, 11:21 PM
To be honest, I don't think it happens.

As it shouldn't from any angle. Such an unfair trade if this happens. Pau Gasol saga all over again. This time his value is reversed but the team benefits is the same :facepalm:

Hellcrooner
06-27-2012, 11:30 PM
hey naps,worried bout cristina + random scrub center having some problems against Horford and Pau?

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-27-2012, 11:31 PM
hey naps,worried bout cristina + random scrub center having some problems against Horford and Pau?

Haha, good one Croonie.

broncosfan4eva
06-27-2012, 11:31 PM
Still have the amnesty, or he can like getting paid and help out young guys in the process.

Assuming everyone thinks Kobe/Gasol/Bynum > Joe/Gasol/Horford, so why are people acting like that Hawks team can contend?

You really think a owner would amnesty a player and still have to Pay them 90MILLION DOLLARS!?!? lol your nuts if you think so.

C-Style
06-27-2012, 11:33 PM
hey naps,worried bout cristina + random scrub center having some problems against Horford and Pau?
:laugh2:

naps
06-27-2012, 11:34 PM
hey naps,worried bout cristina + random scrub center having some problems against Horford and Pau?

No I am worried about Gasoft and Crooner tandem more...the softest front ever...

C-Style
06-27-2012, 11:35 PM
Gasol+Horford>>>Smith+Horford FACT

Ill21
06-27-2012, 11:39 PM
Helps both teams, but I thought that he hawks wanted to rebuild?

ThunderousDemon
06-27-2012, 11:39 PM
And somehow Gasol is being once again involved in another gift. Who would have thought he would be so lucky to be part of another rape? Good lord.

:cry: Cry me a river

naps
06-27-2012, 11:39 PM
For you (crooner) it's a win win sitution:

As a Laker fan you are getting a two way premier PF at his prime who's only 26 for a past prime PF who has sucked hard in two years in a row in the playoffs.

On the other hand, you can try to validate such a lopsided trade which needs to overrate Gasol like there's no tomorrow just to make it look good. Who else is better than you to do such a pathetic attempt?


Yeah, you must be having an orgasm. And Cristina takes a **** on gasoft every time they faceoff. Don't you remember that? Oh btw, Cristina is only 27 and is a world champion now....

dsonLAL24
06-27-2012, 11:41 PM
To be honest, I don't think it happens.

Everyone is waiting on Dwight.

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-27-2012, 11:42 PM
For you (crooner) it's a win win sitution:

As a Laker fan you are getting a two way premier PF at his prime who's only 26 for a past prime PF who has sucked hard in two years in a row in the playoffs.

On the other hand, you can try to validate such a lopsided trade which needs to overrate Gasol like there's no tomorrow just to make it look good. Who else is better than you to do such a pathetic attempt?


Yeah, you must be having an orgasm. And Cristina takes a **** on gasoft every time they faceoff. Don't you remember that? Oh btw, Cristina is only 27 and is a world champion now....

But Paulina is a 2x World Champion, and a Fiba world champion, and a former ROY, and an instant first ballot future hall of fame.


Paulina > Christina. :catfight:

ThunderousDemon
06-27-2012, 11:43 PM
For you (crooner) it's a win win sitution:

As a Laker fan you are getting a two way premier PF at his prime who's only 26 for a past prime PF who has sucked hard in two years in a row in the playoffs.

On the other hand, you can try to validate such a lopsided trade which needs to overrate Gasol like there's no tomorrow just to make it look good. Who else is better than you to do such an idiotic job?


Yeah, you must be having an orgasm. And Cristina takes a **** on gasoft every time they faceoff. Don't you remember that? Oh btw, Cristina is only 27 and is a world champion now....

http://www.forumsextreme.com/images2/sSig_hater.gif ahem

broncosfan4eva
06-27-2012, 11:44 PM
Naps got shat on

broncosfan4eva
06-27-2012, 11:45 PM
but anyways gives the hawks 2 years to try to win something...doesnt work JJ's contract is a little lower and easier to move by then.

naps
06-27-2012, 11:45 PM
But Paulina is a 2x World Champion, and a Fiba world champion, and a former ROY, and an instant first ballot future hall of fame.


Paulina > Christina. :catfight:

None of them makes Paulina better than Cristina currently...Cristina is only 27 and is entering his prime while Paulina can't get any softer at this stage...so your point is null for the present and future--two tenses that matter most in this business looking ahead.

Hellcrooner
06-27-2012, 11:46 PM
For you (crooner) it's a win win sitution:

As a Laker fan you are getting a two way premier PF at his prime who's only 26 for a past prime PF who has sucked hard in two years in a row in the playoffs.

On the other hand, you can try to validate such a lopsided trade which needs to overrate Gasol like there's no tomorrow just to make it look good. Who else is better than you to do such a pathetic attempt?


Yeah, you must be having an orgasm. And Cristina takes a **** on gasoft every time they faceoff. Don't you remember that? Oh btw, Cristina is only 27 and is a world champion now....

its a win because pau will lead the hawks to at least 1 playoff win and probably 1 or 2 playoff series too, shuting up the haters on those respective acusations forgetting memphis was a boat of crap.

btw , lopsided trade?

dont look now but Little Bro is an allstar as of today too.:rolleyes:

and of course if lakers get josh ( who i dont like) they will have more of a chacne of getting his friend dwight warmth to being traded here and resign.

ThunderousDemon
06-27-2012, 11:50 PM
None of them makes Paulina better than Cristina...Cristina is only 27 and is entering his prime while Pauline can't get any softer at this stage...so you point is null for the present and future--two tense that matter most in this business looking ahead.

Calm down before you explode. How is it wrong if a team tries to improve itself from a trade? It's two teams trading, so you can't blame the Lakers if in your eyes you think they got the better deal.

naps
06-27-2012, 11:52 PM
btw , lopsided trade?


32 and 26. One is past prime and the other hasn't entered his prime yet. Oh well it's not lopsided because Pau will make Hawks a contender :facepalm:

If you don't think Hawks can land better younger talents for Josh then I don't know what to tell you. But you probably don't know because you probably still believe Pau is the man on the Lakers not Kobe :laugh2:

naps
06-27-2012, 11:54 PM
Calm down before you explode. How is it wrong if a team tries to improve itself from a trade? It's two teams trading, so you can't blame the Lakers if in your eyes you think they got the better deal.

And where the **** did I blame them?

NYG 2000
06-27-2012, 11:56 PM
The Lakers would be insane to not accept this trade.

This

ThunderousDemon
06-27-2012, 11:56 PM
And where the **** did I blame them?

Then what are you complaining for? You're here complaining that the Lakers will get the better end of an imaginary deal.

Hellcrooner
06-27-2012, 11:57 PM
32 and 26. One is past prime and the other hasn't entered his prime yet. Oh well it's not lopsided because Pau will make Hawks a contender :facepalm:

If you don't think Hawks can land better younger talents for Josh then I don't know what to tell you. But you probably don't know because you probably still believe Pau is the man on the Lakers not Kobe :laugh2:

i was tlaking bout the pau to laker trade.

Hellcrooner
06-27-2012, 11:58 PM
32 and 26. One is past prime and the other hasn't entered his prime yet. Oh well it's not lopsided because Pau will make Hawks a contender :facepalm:

If you don't think Hawks can land better younger talents for Josh then I don't know what to tell you. But you probably don't know because you probably still believe Pau is the man on the Lakers not Kobe :laugh2:

id take a 32 year old drexler over a 26 year old Miner.

naps
06-28-2012, 12:00 AM
Then what are you complaining for? You're here complaining that the Lakers will get the better end of an imaginary deal.

Stop assuming too much. I didn't complain. I said this would be a supremely unfair trade.

naps
06-28-2012, 12:03 AM
i was tlaking bout the pau to laker trade.

Sure. A franchise player who was in his prime and who happened to be a premier bigman for the 48th overall pick and Kwame GOAT brown. Pretty fair trade.

BigBongTheory
06-28-2012, 12:03 AM
^If you weren't complaining you would have said nothing. Stubborn to see even your own stubbornness.

ThunderousDemon
06-28-2012, 12:05 AM
Stop assuming too much. I didn't complain. I said this would be a supremely unfair trade.

Complain: Express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event.

naps
06-28-2012, 12:05 AM
id take a 32 year old drexler over a 26 year old Miner.


So are you saying Gaosl is Drexler and Josh Smith is Harold Miner??

Why don't you just proclaim Gasol in the conversation of GOAT along with Jordan while you are at it?

Hellcrooner
06-28-2012, 12:05 AM
Sure. A franchise player who was in his prime and who happened to be a premier bigman for the 48th overall pick and Kwame GOAT brown. Pretty fair trade.

the didnt trade " the 48th overall pick" they traded the draft rights of nowdays allstar center Marc gasol, who at that moment was in pace to win spanish leagues Mvp award.
The fact that american fans dont pay attention to europe does not mean the PRO staff on nba teams doesnt.
they KNEW what they were getting.

JNA17
06-28-2012, 12:06 AM
Josh Smith is my 2nd favorite player in the NBA. Him on the Lakers for past prime Pau...****ING ORGASAM. PULL THE ****ING TRIGGER LA NOW!

Hellcrooner
06-28-2012, 12:06 AM
So are you saying Gaosl is Drexler and Josh Smith is Harold Miner??

Why don't you just proclaim Gasol in the conversation of GOAT along with Jordan while you are at it?

drexler>gasol
dont be so square, you know what i meant.

naps
06-28-2012, 12:07 AM
Complain: Express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event.

A world champion can neither be dissatisfied nor annoyed. But unfair is unfair. FACT is a FACT.

superwill
06-28-2012, 12:08 AM
Sure. A franchise player who was in his prime and who happened to be a premier bigman for the 48th overall pick and Kwame GOAT brown. Pretty fair trade.

not true at all had the lakers gave bynum,kwame,and the 48 pick they would have gotten over but they gave marc gasol

ThunderousDemon
06-28-2012, 12:08 AM
Sure. A franchise player who was in his prime and who happened to be a premier bigman for the 48th overall pick and Kwame GOAT brown. Pretty fair trade.

Best GM in the league :win:

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-28-2012, 12:09 AM
None of them makes Paulina better than Cristina currently...Cristina is only 27 and is entering his prime while Paulina can't get any softer at this stage...so your point is null for the present and future--two tenses that matter most in this business looking ahead.

Paulina is a better player than Cristina overall. Better rebounder, better passer, more post moves and a versatile and diverse offensive game, can create his own shot better.

I think Heat would have been more dominant with Pau than with Bosh.

naps
06-28-2012, 12:10 AM
the didnt trade " the 48th overall pick" they traded the draft rights of nowdays allstar center Marc gasol, who at that moment was in pace to win spanish leagues Mvp award.
The fact that american fans dont pay attention to europe does not mean the PRO staff on nba teams doesnt.
they KNEW what they were getting.


Ofcourse NBA didn't see him turning out to be the player he is today.


Gasol was drafted in the second round, 48th overall, by the Los Angeles Lakers in the 2007 NBA Draft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Gasol

A player doesn't slip to 48th pick if he was that great. In 2007, people could tell what would happen in 2012.

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 12:11 AM
but anyways gives the hawks 2 years to try to win something...doesnt work JJ's contract is a little lower and easier to move by then.

And by then Gasol is done, JJ is older, Horford is a free agent and we don't have a Josh Smith to trade for a pick to rebuild. Instead we have to take 10+ years of sucking and getting lottery picks. Oh joy!

OR, look at the reasons this won't happen (besides the fact it's a MADE UP RUMOR BY A L.A. WRITER BASING HIS FACTS ON SOMETHING FROM A GM THAT ISN'T THE HAWKS GM ANYMORE):

1. Hawks have 6 players under contract for next year. They are over the cap.

2. Trading Smith for someone with more money is a 1 player for 1 player swap. Adding to the cap, yet not adding anymore players.

3. Even more over the cap, yet still only have 6 players. Can't trade anybody else because they either don't have enough value or we need them (Horford/Teague) to make that "run" that every Lakers fan seems we could do with Gasol on our team (funny how it's only Lakers fans thinking it's a good deal for the Hawks. Too bad you all get Josh Smith right?:rolleyes:).

4. 2 year window of more playoff exits for Joe/Gasol while Horford is wasted in his prime. Horford becomes a free agent. We are stuck in the mid-20s draft picks. No talent to trade up. SCREWED.


or

Trade Josh Smith NOW for a top 10 pick. Draft a development player, cut the salary. Use the rest to fill out the roster. BUT WAIT, that makes too much sense.

naps
06-28-2012, 12:12 AM
drexler>gasol
dont be so square, you know what i meant.

No it's not even close. Drexler>>>>>>Miner. You can't say that about Gasol and JR.

ThunderousDemon
06-28-2012, 12:14 AM
A world champion can neither be dissatisfied nor annoyed. But unfair is unfair. FACT is a FACT.

Wow, You rebutted with an asinine statement. http://www.forumsextreme.com/images2/sSig_goodjob2.gif

naps
06-28-2012, 12:15 AM
Paulina is a better player than Cristina overall. Better rebounder, better passer, more post moves and a versatile and diverse offensive game, can create his own shot better.


So when the Lakers lose Paulina can't grab his own *** but in other cases he's better. Whatever fits the agenda...PSD platinum standard of double standards.

LakersMaster24
06-28-2012, 12:15 AM
Hey naps, why you so mad?

naps
06-28-2012, 12:16 AM
Wow, You rebut with an asinine statement. http://www.forumsextreme.com/images2/sSig_goodjob2.gif

;)

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 12:17 AM
Paulina is a better player than Cristina overall. Better rebounder, better passer, more post moves and a versatile and diverse offensive game, can create his own shot better.

Well sounds better than Josh Smith right? You guys should keep him. Oh wait, you probably will because this trade won't happen.

JNA17
06-28-2012, 12:17 AM
And by then Gasol is done, JJ is older, Horford is a free agent and we don't have a Josh Smith to trade for a pick to rebuild. Instead we have to take 10+ years of sucking and getting lottery picks. Oh joy!

OR, look at the reasons this won't happen (besides the fact it's a MADE UP RUMOR BY A L.A. WRITER BASING HIS FACTS ON SOMETHING FROM A GM THAT ISN'T THE HAWKS GM ANYMORE):

1. Hawks have 6 players under contract for next year. They are over the cap.

2. Trading Smith for someone with more money is a 1 player for 1 player swap. Adding to the cap, yet not adding anymore players.

3. Even more over the cap, yet still only have 6 players. Can't trade anybody else because they either don't have enough value or we need them (Horford/Teague) to make that "run" that every Lakers fan seems we could do with Gasol on our team (funny how it's only Lakers fans thinking it's a good deal for the Hawks. Too bad you all get Josh Smith right?:rolleyes:).

4. 2 year window of more playoff exits for Joe/Gasol while Horford is wasted in his prime. Horford becomes a free agent. We are stuck in the mid-20s draft picks. No talent to trade up. SCREWED.


or

Trade Josh Smith NOW for a top 10 pick. Draft a development player, cut the salary. Use the rest to fill out the roster. BUT WAIT, that makes too much sense.

Let's be honest, does it really matter what the Hawks do at this point? The moment they grossly overpaid Joe Johnson was the day the Hawks FO basically said **** it with their franchise. Might as well try to win while they still can with a front court of Pau and Horford and an improving PG Teague and still somewhat relevant Joe Johnson.

naps
06-28-2012, 12:19 AM
Well sounds better than Josh Smith right? You guys should keep him. Oh wait, you probably will because this trade won't happen.

Exactly.

If he's so good then keep him.

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 12:19 AM
Let's be honest, does it really matter what the Hawks do at this point? The moment they grossly overpaid Joe Johnson was the day the Hawks FO basically said **** it with their franchise. Might as well try to win while they still can with a front court of Pau and Horford and an improving PG Teague and still somewhat relevant Joe Johnson.

To the Hawks and it's fans, yes it does. We are not bending over for the Lakers. They can keep "Ga-soft" or whatever they call him during the season, it doesn't matter. They are close to calling him GOAT when it comes to trading him.:facepalm:

naps
06-28-2012, 12:23 AM
To the Hawks and it's fans, yes it does. We are not bending over for the Lakers. They can keep "Ga-soft" or whatever they call him during the season, it doesn't matter. They are close to calling him GOAT when it comes to trading him.:facepalm:


They **** the **** outta him as soon as they kiss the season but they make the same player look like GOAT when it comes to moving him.

JNA17
06-28-2012, 12:24 AM
To the Hawks and it's fans, yes it does. We are not bending over for the Lakers. They can keep "Ga-soft" or whatever they call him during the season, it doesn't matter. They are close to calling him GOAT when it comes to trading him.:facepalm:

Again I ask, since your a Hawks fan yourself, when was the last time the Hawks FO actually gave a **** about their team, especially in terms of making logical moves and sense? Was picking Marvin over CP3 logical? Was signing Joe Johnson to a MJ like contract logical?

The fans were certainly disgruntled with those moves, but again, Hawks FO IMO, really seem to not give a ****. And probably hate the idea of rebuilding too.

midwestmadman
06-28-2012, 12:24 AM
I'd much rather see him here in Detroit then anywhere else, but as long as he isnt dealt to the Heat I'm fine with it. I just think ATL can get better than Pau Gasol for Josh Smith.

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 12:27 AM
They **** the **** outta him as soon as they kiss the season but they make the same player look like GOAT when it comes to moving him.

exactly. This is why I'm glad as a kid I picked the Hawks as the team I follow (Thanks to Wilkins) instead of the bandwagon Jordan followers or Lakers/whatever other "big" franchises that likes to walk all over the rest of the league and feel they are entitled to the best players while you take it's trash (aka great players when it's time to trade them:rolleyes:). Stay humble.

naps
06-28-2012, 12:29 AM
Again I ask, since your a Hawks fan yourself, when was the last time the Hawks FO actually gave a **** about their team, especially in terms of making logical moves and sense? Was picking Marvin over CP3 logical? Was signing Joe Johnson to a MJ like contract logical?

The fans were certainly disgruntled with those moves, but again, Hawks FO IMO, really seem to not give a ****. And probably hate the idea of rebuilding too.

So just because they made some bad decisions in the past they should keep making more bad ones? They shouldn't try to correct themselves or at least not let stupid stuff happen again? That's an absurd logic dude.

JPHX
06-28-2012, 12:29 AM
The hawks tryna form a make shift big 3. They need quality role players more than they need star power.

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 12:29 AM
Again I ask, since your a Hawks fan yourself, when was the last time the Hawks FO actually gave a **** about their team, especially in terms of making logical moves and sense? Was picking Marvin over CP3 logical? Was signing Joe Johnson to a MJ like contract logical?

The fans were certainly disgruntled with those moves, but again, Hawks FO IMO, really seem to not give a ****. And probably hate the idea of rebuilding too.

When they decided to have a new FO just this past weekend maybe?:confused:

They have always spent money (being like top 8 in the league in salary) so the owners spending isn't an issue.

We removed the person who picked Marvin. We just now removed the person who gave Joe the contract (and might I add the guy who was going to do this Gasol deal). We just hired a new GM with full control this time. Sounds to me like they give a crap.

STL Don
06-28-2012, 12:30 AM
Josh Smith + Marvin Williams + no.23 for Pau Gasol, MWP

Hawks -

Jeff Teague
Joe Johnson
Metta W. Peace
Al Horford
Pau Gasol

Lakers -

Ramon Sessions
Kobe Bryant
Marvin Williams
Josh Smith
Andrew Bynum

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 12:32 AM
Josh Smith + Marvin Williams + no.23 for Pau Gasol, MWP


Gets even better. Let us throw in Jeff Teague too though. Not sure it's fair yet.

JNA17
06-28-2012, 12:34 AM
Josh Smith + Marvin Williams + no.23 for Pau Gasol, MWP

Hawks -

Jeff Teague
Joe Johnson
Metta W. Peace
Al Horford
Pau Gasol

Lakers -

Ramon Sessions
Kobe Bryant
Marvin Williams
Josh Smith
Andrew Bynum

2013 finals matchup?

reffahead
06-28-2012, 12:43 AM
Gotta read between the lines. LA times claims the hawks wants to trade with the lakers a day before the draft....
http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/ferry_looks_to_build_hawks_the_right_way/11102177
Ferry has just signed a 6 year deal and was quoted with wanting to build a team for the future. You can't pay two soft guys 20 millions dollars on the same team. It makes more sense to trade smith for a top 4 2013 draft pick and amnesty Joe at the right time.

shep33
06-28-2012, 12:44 AM
I'm fine with keeping Pau. Honestly the most appealing thing about Smith is that he costs less, but at the same time, if we take on Marvin it doesn't really do us much good.

Don't really think it makes sense for either team. ATL probably should be moving up in the draft like SilverandBlack said.

STL Don
06-28-2012, 12:47 AM
Gets even better. Let us throw in Jeff Teague too though. Not sure it's fair yet.

I'm not saying it would be a better deal for the Hawks, I could just see something like that happening.
The Hawks are in dire need for a shakeup and Gasol is great quality in return for Smith. He still has plenty more left in him, he really just needs a fresh start elsewhere. Playing with the Hawks, playing alongside Horford could be a great new beginning for him.
Also it says that the Hawks are 'aggressively' seeking a trade with the Lakers targeting Gasol, so you'd think they'd be willing to give up a hefty price if they really wanna take the chance on making the potential changes that could get them back into serious contention.

Hellcrooner
06-28-2012, 12:48 AM
Yeah, lets compare Atlants Gold to Lakers Trash.


Atlantas Gold, used as second option, playing within the system against Lakers Trash used OUT of position, out of the "system" as a THIRD option, not receiving the ball at his best spots.


Atlantas Gold: 18.8ppg 45.8% 9.6 rpg ft 63%
Lakers Trash: 17.4 ppg 51 % 10.4 Rpg ft 78%

advanced

Atlantas Gold: per 21,1 ts. 499 w.s 6.8
Lakers Trash:Per 20,5 ts .547 ws 8.3

and that with a much higer usage rate go figure.....

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 12:50 AM
I'm fine with keeping Pau. Honestly the most appealing thing about Smith is that he costs less, but at the same time, if we take on Marvin it doesn't really do us much good.

Don't really think it makes sense for either team. ATL probably should be moving up in the draft like SilverandBlack said.

Thank you. There has been reports (by ESPN, not LA TIMES) that the Hawks are looking to improve it's draft position and even held calls with Billy Donovan about Beal. That sounds more like going the other direction to me. The only hint of Gasol to Hawks is long gone because Sund was the only one wanting it, and he isn't the GM anymore. Danny Ferry is calling all the shots now, so come tomorrow we will see the direction he wants to go in.

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 12:51 AM
I'm not saying it would be a better deal for the Hawks, I could just see something like that happening.
The Hawks are in dire need for a shakeup and Gasol is great quality in return for Smith. He still has plenty more left in him, he really just needs a fresh start elsewhere. Playing with the Hawks, playing alongside Horford could be a great new beginning for him.
Also it says that the Hawks are 'aggressively' seeking a trade with the Lakers targeting Gasol, so you'd think they'd be willing to give up a hefty price if they really wanna take the chance on making the potential changes that could get them back into serious contention.

An LA Times writer wrote that "aggressively" word, sounds nice to it's LA readers. Ex-GM Sund wanted Gasol. He isn't the GM anymore. Ferry has a new vision.

Ty Fast
06-28-2012, 12:53 AM
great trade for la

shep33
06-28-2012, 12:53 AM
Thank you. There has been reports (by ESPN, not LA TIMES) that the Hawks are looking to improve it's draft position and even held calls with Billy Donovan about Beal. That sounds more like going the other direction to me. The only hint of Gasol to Hawks is long gone because Sund was the only one wanting it, and he isn't the GM anymore. Danny Ferry is calling all the shots now, so come tomorrow we will see the direction he wants to go in.

Yeah, I mean I think ATL would get better now, but it doesn't do them much good in the long run. Hopefully Ferry rebuilds, though I'd hope they keep Horford.

Hype
06-28-2012, 12:57 AM
Josh Smith + Marvin Williams + no.23 for Pau Gasol, MWP

This would be a sick trade for the Lakers. If that's really on the table I'd love to see it go down and I think MWP would thrive in Atlanta w/ JJ and Horford

Hype
06-28-2012, 12:58 AM
Trade the 23 to Minny for Beasley and there you go, a replacement for Josh Smith

STL Don
06-28-2012, 01:02 AM
An LA Times writer wrote that "aggressively" word, sounds nice to it's LA readers. Ex-GM Sund wanted Gasol. He isn't the GM anymore. Ferry has a new vision.

Ya damn right it does. Hopefully Atlanta can find a way to get the deal done....

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 01:04 AM
Ya damn right it does. Hopefully Atlanta can find a way to get the deal done....

Prob not, Hawks are too busy trying to improve it's team and future, not to improve the Lakers.

Wade n Fade
06-28-2012, 01:10 AM
If I were a GM, I wouldn't look to get myself locked into a contract like Gasol's. Yes, Pau is a good bigman, and they are a premium. The best thing for ATL is to blow it up and trade for young talent and picks, not big men in their 30s with long and expensive contracts. Heck, if anyone wants to take Boozer right now, they are crazy.

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 01:11 AM
If I were a GM, I wouldn't look to get myself locked into a contract like Gasol's. Yes, Pau is a good bigman, and they are a premium. The best thing for ATL is to blow it up and trade for young talent and picks, not big men in their 30s with long and expensive contracts. Heck, if anyone wants to take Boozer right now, they are crazy.

Don't worry we won't. No Lakers fans (besides shep33) I guess understands that we have 6 guys on the roster and over the cap, which means we need to trade for cheaper items (draft picks), not to swap players with more money tied to them.

BradytoGronkTD
06-28-2012, 01:12 AM
Is it me or do the lakers always get these kinda highway robbery trades. They seem to always get great players for nothing.

STL Don
06-28-2012, 01:15 AM
Prob not, Hawks are too busy trying to improve it's team and future, not to improve the Lakers.

Lets just see what happens first.

I'm not all sure about the fillers and what not but starting with Gasol is indeed an upgrade for ATL.

Wade n Fade
06-28-2012, 01:30 AM
Memphis got a bit of the short end of the stick on the Gasol trade, but they also lost the Mayo/ Love swap. From ATL's pov, try to trade Joe Johnson to Chicago or a team that needs a SG, or just amnesty him, and just start anew with sending Josh Smith to Houston if they don't get Dwight.

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 01:32 AM
Memphis got a bit of the short end of the stick on the Gasol trade, but they also lost the Mayo/ Love swap. From ATL's pov, try to trade Joe Johnson to Chicago or a team that needs a SG, or just amnesty him, and just start anew with sending Josh Smith to Houston if they don't get Dwight.

I honestly think Josh Smith will get traded to the Rockets or Cavs for a draft pick (assuming Rockets make it into the top 10 and don't get a Dwight deal done).

Joe Johnson, can play out his contract for 3 more years here and be happy with $20 million a year while we rebuild, and then that 4th is a huge $20 mil expiring that everybody would want. If not, it just takes 1 team to get desperate and trades for him (Mavs? Nets? Bulls?).

Heatcheck
06-28-2012, 08:47 AM
Trade the 23 to Minny for Beasley and there you go, a replacement for Josh Smith

exactly, if you want an underachieving "PF", whose only going to take long jumpers anyway, you might as well get one with a jumpshot.

OlivaThor
06-28-2012, 09:44 AM
Gasol for Smith, Bynum+pick for Howard .. Lakers contender again

lakersrock
06-28-2012, 11:12 AM
Gasol for Smith, Bynum+pick for Howard .. Lakers contender again

That's actuall kinda believable...especially if Sessions comes back, Artest is moved and Beasley comes in.

Sessions
Kobe
Beasley
Smooth
Howard

Uptempo, young, can score anywhere and not bad defensively either.

zB_#85
06-28-2012, 12:36 PM
That's actuall kinda believable...especially if Sessions comes back, Artest is moved and Beasley comes in.

Sessions
Kobe
Beasley
Smooth
Howard

Uptempo, young, can score anywhere and not bad defensively either.

That's like absolute best case scenario (and not realistic). Where do we get the pick to give to Orl for Dwight and what pieces do we have left to get Beasley after acquiring Smoove and Dwight?

Losoway
06-28-2012, 02:18 PM
laker fans get it out of your head....HOWARD DOES NOT WANNA PLAY FOR LA ..with that being said j smoove would be greaat deal for gasol ... mitch does it again

Atl Bill
06-28-2012, 04:52 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/46890/hawks-resisting-interest-in-smith-for-now


hm…. been telling u dumb ***** that smoove was not on the move, wasting your time saying the hawks were gonna blow up there core. tryin to offer us **** in return. not happening lakers fans unless ur willing to deal bynum. ferry came in to run this organization right, not put us into the ground. Smith will resign with atl at the end of the year, he's from the A n what other team is gonna offer him a better chance? he loves this lineup, n if horford wasnt hurt last year trust me we'd b doing some damage.

jwn0303
06-28-2012, 04:58 PM
Would 1 for 1 josh for pau personally as a Hawks fan. Nothing against josh, but this team needs to be shaken up. A pau/horford combo would be pretty lethal. Not on the heat's level, but would be a good way to attack them if we can find the right three man as I assume Marvin would be on the way out as well.

Atl Bill
06-28-2012, 06:04 PM
if La was to take marvin in return and give us a future first round pick + gasol. i'd do it.

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-28-2012, 06:09 PM
if La was to take marvin in return and give us a future first round pick + gasol. i'd do it.

No.


And plus, I just don't see Pau being traded.

HouRealCoach
06-28-2012, 06:09 PM
Hawks are very stupid for trying to trade Joe SMith for a guy that's been little to nothing the last two playoffs

Gritz
06-28-2012, 06:14 PM
Hawks are very stupid for trying to trade Joe SMith for a guy that's been little to nothing the last two playoffs

The Lakers don't want Joe Smith back

*Silver&Black*
06-28-2012, 06:59 PM
Hawks are very stupid for trying to trade Joe SMith for a guy that's been little to nothing the last two playoffs

Is this dude even in the league anymore? I remember 5-6 years ago ESPN never could get Josh Smith and Joe Johnson's names right for some reason. This reminded me of that.

Punk
06-28-2012, 07:02 PM
David Aldridge just said Danny Ferry aren't looking to move him right away. But he isn't untouchable anymore either.

HouRealCoach
06-28-2012, 07:03 PM
JOSH lol My bad... I think that this is a false rumor anyways

ewmania
06-28-2012, 07:05 PM
good move for lakers... more room for bynum in the post , defense is better for lakers

good move for hawks.... al can play the 4

C-Style
06-28-2012, 07:15 PM
Im sure this is not on the Lakers priority list, if all fails this might be their plan C type of deal.

shep33
06-28-2012, 07:27 PM
This deal ain't going down.