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lavell12
06-27-2012, 03:40 AM
I wanted to see who people thought had the best outfield in baseball?

Jeffy25
06-27-2012, 03:42 AM
Cards
Holliday/Beltran/Craig/Jay

Braves
Bourn/Prado/Heyward/Diaz

Rangers
Hamilton/Cruz/Murphy/Gentry

Dodgers, Angels, Giants, Rockies are my 4-7

Those top three are the most productive. The sexiest outfield in terms of big names? I have no idea lol.

Halladay
06-27-2012, 04:20 AM
I'd lean towards Texas here but you could make a case for a few others.

Eg714
06-27-2012, 04:26 AM
The angels are up there.

Trumbo
Trout
Hunter
Bourjos

RTL
06-27-2012, 04:41 AM
I say Cards for right now.

Pinstripe pride
06-27-2012, 08:43 AM
yankees because they have Nicholas Thompson Swisher

Boston-Born
06-27-2012, 08:44 AM
Red Sox? Nava, McDonald, Sweeney

Dark Donnie
06-27-2012, 08:48 AM
I'll go Angels

BSplaya2121
06-27-2012, 08:49 AM
red sox? Nava, mcdonald, sweeney

lol

Ian.
06-27-2012, 09:09 AM
Red Sox? Nava, McDonald, Sweeney

Bahaha

long ball
06-27-2012, 09:19 AM
As far as having three really good players I would have to go with the cardinals.

GOON MUSIC
06-27-2012, 09:45 AM
Cardinals

mike44
06-27-2012, 09:58 AM
I say Braves, all of their starters have above 3 war already.

boilerguy2412
06-27-2012, 10:22 AM
hard to beat Rajai Rasmus and Bautista right now, all 3 guys are on top of there game. Jose seems to homer every other night, Ramus seems to be going 3 for 4 every game and Rajai is doing a great job getting on base and making things happen. Very happy with what the Jays have out there right now.

Hard to argue the Rangers though

PapaPilo00
06-27-2012, 10:38 AM
The Cardinals for sure.

Holliday WAR- 2.8
Allen Craig WAR- 1.3
Carlos Beltran WAR- 3.0

rkelly7
06-27-2012, 10:47 AM
The O's would have a say in it if Reimold and Markakis weren't hurt. Markakis is almost due back, but Reimold is possibly lost for the season.

Twitchy
06-27-2012, 10:50 AM
Cards have the best hitting outfield but the Braves are a better all around OF.

Skippy15
06-27-2012, 10:56 AM
Cardinals.

Holliday
Jay
Beltran
with Allen Craig getting time in LF and RF. Hard to find a better group of hitters in any outfields in baseball

papipapsmanny
06-27-2012, 11:27 AM
Maybe if it was possibly that the Sox Outfield could stay healthy all year....

but that would just be absurd wouldn't being healthy

SportsNY
06-27-2012, 11:31 AM
Atlanta Braves - Prado/Bourn/Heyward

ugafan
06-27-2012, 11:36 AM
The Cardinals for sure.

Holliday WAR- 2.8
Allen Craig WAR- 1.3
Carlos Beltran WAR- 3.0

How is it the Cardinals for sure if you're using fWAR to show how they've performed? The Braves have 3 outfielders with a higher fWAR than Beltran. Not saying the Braves have a better outfield(depends on how much you value defense) but it's definitely not clear cut.

Stress
06-27-2012, 11:43 AM
Cards all day.
Holliday+Beltran.
... +Craig.

PapaPilo00
06-27-2012, 11:54 AM
How is it the Cardinals for sure if you're using fWAR to show how they've performed? The Braves have 3 outfielders with a higher fWAR than Beltran. Not saying the Braves have a better outfield(depends on how much you value defense) but it's definitely not clear cut.

You're right, I should of put up their slash line also

Beltran: .312/.402/.585 20 HRs 58 RBIs
Holliday: .301/.385/.498 12 HRs 47 RBIs
Craig: .311/.389/.585 9 HRs 34 RBIs

I'd say thats pretty solid

beldugo
06-27-2012, 11:56 AM
The Cardinals for sure.

Holliday WAR- 2.8
Allen Craig WAR- 1.3
Carlos Beltran WAR- 3.0

Braves:

Prado WAR- 3.3
Michael Bourn WAR- 3.9
Jason Heyward WAR- 3.1

The Braves have the best defensive OF in the majors and offensively are top 5. I think they have the best OF in baseball.

PapaPilo00
06-27-2012, 01:04 PM
Braves:

Prado WAR- 3.3
Michael Bourn WAR- 3.9
Jason Heyward WAR- 3.1

The Braves have the best defensive OF in the majors and offensively are top 5. I think they have the best OF in baseball.

Prado: .317/.378/.459 5 HRs 28 RBIs
Bourn: .312/.357/.449 7 HRs 25 RBIs
Heyward: .282/.352/.510 11 HRs 36 RBIs

Well their numbers are good and could be considered top 5 in the majors offensively, they don't compare to the production that the cardinals have. defensively your correct though.

Eg714
06-27-2012, 02:04 PM
Trout, bourjos,and hunter just as good defensively, if not better.

beldugo
06-27-2012, 03:15 PM
Prado: .317/.378/.459 5 HRs 28 RBIs
Bourn: .312/.357/.449 7 HRs 25 RBIs
Heyward: .282/.352/.510 11 HRs 36 RBIs

Well their numbers are good and could be considered top 5 in the majors offensively, they don't compare to the production that the cardinals have. defensively your correct though.

You are right, the braves OF are not as good as the Cards offensively but Cards defense sucks, that's why i put the braves on top. If Cards defense were average they will be no.1

Jeffy25
06-27-2012, 03:41 PM
Cards have the best hitting outfield but the Braves are a better all around OF.

Yeah, the Braves have a fantastic defensive outfield, something the Cards don't really have.

The Cards have three outfielders flirting with a .400 wOBA, and last year they were the highest offensive outfield by a large margin (but Berkman was in right).


It's only happened once this year, but it was our outfield completely stacked.

Holliday - LF - .380 wOBA
Beltran - CF - .414 wOBA
Craig - RF - .411 wOBA

You can't really put Beltran in center, but Jay (.354 wOBA) isn't a horrible option.

Overall, the Cardinals outfield this year has a .368 wOBA, 135 wRC+ and that has included Shane Robinson and Adron Chambers for waaaaaaay too many plate appearances because of injuries. Fortunately everyone is coming back right now, or is already back.

Jeffy25
06-27-2012, 03:46 PM
You are right, the braves OF are not as good as the Cards offensively but Cards defense sucks, that's why i put the braves on top. If Cards defense were average they will be no.1

As a whole, the Cardinals defense in the outfield this year has been right about league average (overall 2 defensive runs saved, nothing negative other than carrying some weak range overall, but arms and positioning have helped to make up for it).

But the Braves defense has been the very best (34 defensive runs saved), no questioning that.

Cardinals are hitting .368 wOBA, 135 wRC+
Braves are hitting .352 wOBA, 123 wRC+

Offensively, the Cardinals outfield has created 191 runs, and saved 2 defensive runs
The Braves outfield has created 151 runs offensively, and saved 34 runs defensively.

That's a plus 185 for the Braves, and a plus 193 for the Cardinals.

Very close, and obviously 1 and 2 in baseball

Rangers meanwhile, 161 runs offensively, -9 runs defensively. A net of 152 runs overall is third.

mtf
06-27-2012, 03:51 PM
As a Jays fan, I'm quite happy with 2/3 of the current outfield. Rasmus and Bautista are both quite solid defensively and performing extremely well offensively after slow starts. That being said, I'm sure there are many teams with 2 very good-to-great outfielders.

hugepatsfan
06-27-2012, 04:14 PM
Gardner, Granderson, Swisher is pretty damn good when all are healthy.

I'd put the Cards and Braves 1 and 2 and then I'd probably have the Yanks, Angels and maybe a few others in the next tier.

YoungStuna
06-27-2012, 04:51 PM
Scott Hairston, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, and Lucas Duda.

lolwut?

CarniifeX
06-27-2012, 05:10 PM
Best Overall Team Outfield

Braves - Prado/Bourn/Heyward

Rangers - Murphy/Hamilton/Cruz

Cardinals - Holliday/Jay/Beltran

Angels - Trumbo/Trout/Hunter

Best Hitting Outfield

Cardinals

Rangers

Angels

Rockies - Gonzalez/Fowler/Cuddyer

Best Fielding Outfield

Braves

Rangers

Diamondbacks - Parra/Young/Upton

Angels

ichitownclowni
06-27-2012, 05:21 PM
Blue Jays

sf-fanatic
06-27-2012, 08:39 PM
I think the giants are second in WAR to the braves as of a couple days ago in combined OF WAR.

Fly
06-27-2012, 08:48 PM
Atlanta Braves. Cardinals are second, mostly because a lot of Craig's production will be at first from now on.

floater
06-27-2012, 09:38 PM
not sure overall, but defensively, when the angels put mike trout / peter bourjos / torii hunter out there, no one is better.

popo85
06-27-2012, 09:40 PM
Cards,Angels and Braves.

ugafan
06-28-2012, 12:24 AM
not sure overall, but defensively, when the angels put mike trout / peter bourjos / torii hunter out there, no one is better.

The Braves outfield is significantly better defensively. Not even remotely close.

Eg714
06-28-2012, 12:38 AM
The Braves outfield is significantly better defensively. Not even remotely close.

I don't know what the stats are but trout, bourjos,and hunter all play gold glove defense.

floater
06-28-2012, 12:50 AM
The Braves outfield is significantly better defensively. Not even remotely close.



:laugh::laugh::laugh:

RaiderKid318
06-28-2012, 01:14 AM
I don't know what the stats are but trout, bourjos,and hunter all play gold glove defense.

so do bourn and heyward? What is your point, and idk if I would still label hunter as the monster D player he used to be. I would say prado can keep up with hunter at this point in his career imo. With the bat the braves win, so what is your point?

Kutchie03
06-28-2012, 01:20 AM
So far this season i'd have to go with the cards (beltran, holliday and craig/jay)

SenorGato
06-28-2012, 01:24 AM
Cards OF is badass this year.

Eg714
06-28-2012, 01:30 AM
so do bourn and heyward? What is your point, and idk if I would still label hunter as the monster D player he used to be. I would say prado can keep up with hunter at this point in his career imo. With the bat the braves win, so what is your point?

:facepalm: point was that they are at least close defensively.

Eg714
06-28-2012, 01:41 AM
Offensively trout,Trumbo, and tori are probably better than the braves outfield.

Jeffy25
06-28-2012, 02:03 AM
Atlanta Braves. Cardinals are second, mostly because a lot of Craig's production will be at first from now on.

Berkman is scheduled to be back middle of July

Jeffy25
06-28-2012, 02:07 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I wouldn't say it's not remotely close, difference of 16 runs saved defensively thus far.

But the Braves have played amazing defensively thus far this year, even better than the Angels.

ugafan
06-28-2012, 02:28 AM
I wouldn't say it's not remotely close, difference of 16 runs saved defensively thus far.

But the Braves have played amazing defensively thus far this year, even better than the Angels.

Difference of 16 runs doesn't sound like much when you put it that way but Braves OF has 25 DRS as opposed to 9 by the Angels. That's almost 3 times as much. UZR is 25.4 to 14.1 in the Braves favor(given SSS). It's really not debatable, Braves OF defense has been much better this year.

Jeffy25
06-28-2012, 02:32 AM
Difference of 16 runs doesn't sound like much when you put it that way but Braves OF has 25 DRS as opposed to 9 by the Angels. That's almost 3 times as much. UZR is 25.4 to 14.1 in the Braves favor(given SSS). It's really not debatable, Braves OF defense has been much better this year.

Yeah, and it's half a seasons worth.

It's a win and a half in value, 3 over the course of the season. That's a pretty good amount overall.

R. Johnson#3
06-28-2012, 06:16 AM
Derek Jeter

floater
06-28-2012, 11:46 AM
Difference of 16 runs doesn't sound like much when you put it that way but Braves OF has 25 DRS as opposed to 9 by the Angels. That's almost 3 times as much. UZR is 25.4 to 14.1 in the Braves favor(given SSS). It's really not debatable, Braves OF defense has been much better this year.

let me know if this takes into account torii hunter missing several weeks on the restricted list, bourjos being a part time player getting minimal playing time as of late, and mike trout playing the first handful of weeks in the minors.

floater
06-28-2012, 11:59 AM
mike trout uzr/150 - 22.4
peter bourjos uzr/150 - 31.7
torii hunter uzr/150 - 22.8

76.9

michael bourn uzr/150 - 26.4
jason heyward uzr/150 - 18.8
martin prado uzr/150 - 26.0

71.2

jmethlo
06-28-2012, 12:29 PM
If you are talking Defense then it has to be San Francisco. They pretty much have 3 centerfielders with excellent range above average arms.

Jeffy25
06-28-2012, 02:28 PM
let me know if this takes into account torii hunter missing several weeks on the restricted list, bourjos being a part time player getting minimal playing time as of late, and mike trout playing the first handful of weeks in the minors.

Your outfield, as posed on the thread question, is who has been playing out there.

The Cardinals have had Adron Chambers and Shane Robinson in CF a combined 316 innings this year.

It hasn't stopped them from having the most productive outfield in baseball.


Hell, if everyone was healthy all year long, the best outfield would probably be in the AL East.

But the Braves and Cardinals are 1 and 2 based on performance.

sixers247
06-28-2012, 02:42 PM
Pierre, Victorino, Pence no question.


lolololol

floater
06-28-2012, 03:51 PM
Your outfield, as posed on the thread question, is who has been playing out there.

The Cardinals have had Adron Chambers and Shane Robinson in CF a combined 316 innings this year.

It hasn't stopped them from having the most productive outfield in baseball.


Hell, if everyone was healthy all year long, the best outfield would probably be in the AL East.

But the Braves and Cardinals are 1 and 2 based on performance.

here's the comment i made and the reply i got:


not sure overall, but defensively, when the angels put mike trout / peter bourjos / torii hunter out there, no one is better.



The Braves outfield is significantly better defensively. Not even remotely close.

i specifically said that when the angels put those 3 out there, there's no one better. i didn't say they've been the best all yr, i didn't say they're the best overall.

my comments since then have aimed at his ridiculous reply that the braves OF is so much better that it isn't even close. if he would have qualified his comment with stuff about them performing better all yr since they've been out there more and done it for more games, it would be a fair comment. as presented though? his reply is borderline baiting.

UPRock
06-28-2012, 03:57 PM
I Like my Giants Outfield, great defense out there.

ugafan
06-28-2012, 04:26 PM
i specifically said that when the angels put those 3 out there, there's no one better. i didn't say they've been the best all yr, i didn't say they're the best overall.

my comments since then have aimed at his ridiculous reply that the braves OF is so much better that it isn't even close. if he would have qualified his comment with stuff about them performing better all yr since they've been out there more and done it for more games, it would be a fair comment. as presented though? his reply is borderline baiting.

So you legitimately think Torii Hunter is a good defender in this stage of his career even after 6 straight years of a negative range factor? Whatever floats your boat.

drobe86
06-28-2012, 04:38 PM
Gotta be my Braves.... Prado, Bourne, Heyward

Jeffy25
06-28-2012, 07:30 PM
mike trout uzr/150 - 22.4
peter bourjos uzr/150 - 31.7
torii hunter uzr/150 - 22.8

76.9

michael bourn uzr/150 - 26.4
jason heyward uzr/150 - 18.8
martin prado uzr/150 - 26.0

71.2

You are aware that UZR can not be used as an exact number, correct?

It can only be used as a general statistic, with multiple years of data, throw out the outliers, and given approximation.

Being ahead in UZR by 5 points in what equates to just over a full season of data for multiple players doesn't answer anything.

CQSox305
06-28-2012, 07:38 PM
Cardinals or Angels IMO.

floater
06-29-2012, 01:37 AM
You are aware that UZR can not be used as an exact number, correct?

It can only be used as a general statistic, with multiple years of data, throw out the outliers, and given approximation.

Being ahead in UZR by 5 points in what equates to just over a full season of data for multiple players doesn't answer anything.

wait, i used UZR and get this reply from u yet you make no mention of your issues when u just quoted a guy using UZR in a similar fashion. am i getting this right?

Jeffy25
06-29-2012, 01:41 AM
wait, i used UZR and get this reply from u yet you make no mention of your issues when u just quoted a guy using UZR in a similar fashion. am i getting this right?

Care to show me where I used UZR?

I used Defensive Runs Saved, which even that is an approximation.

Your post was Angels UZR, and Braves UZR. It appeared that you were posting them, and showing the positive 6 for the Angels as though that was proof that the Angels defense was better than the Braves.

If I mis-read it, then I apologize. But no, I didn't use UZR here.

floater
06-29-2012, 01:47 AM
i replied using UZR the way i did to that uga guy when he used the stat in a similar fashion. when u replied to him, no issue, when u reply to me, all of a sudden there's an issue.

floater
06-29-2012, 01:48 AM
to get to the point, i think its laughable to claim that any outfield on the league is so good defensively that the angels are not even "remotely close".

Jeffy25
06-29-2012, 01:50 AM
i replied using UZR the way i did to that uga guy when he used the stat in a similar fashion. when u replied to him, no issue, when u reply to me, all of a sudden there's an issue.

I was replying to defensive runs saved being 16 a part in half a season. I didn't respond to his UZR part.



to get to the point, i think its laughable to claim that any outfield on the league is so good defensively that the angels are not even "remotely close".

I agree

floater
06-29-2012, 01:52 AM
I was replying to defensive runs saved being 16 a part in half a season. I didn't respond to his UZR part.





then don't single mine out as if i don't know what i'm talking about in some condescending fashion. he wanted to us UZR to make a point, i used it right back. nothing more.

Jeffy25
06-29-2012, 02:27 AM
then don't single mine out as if i don't know what i'm talking about in some condescending fashion. he wanted to us UZR to make a point, i used it right back. nothing more.

Wasn't singling you out, calm down.

Just know that (if you didn't already) that UZR can't be used as an exact statistic, but rather a frame of reference.