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Corey
06-26-2012, 10:01 PM
In the NBA Round Table, we've been trying to put together a mock draft for the past couple of weeks. There have been many changes along the way, and a lot of alterations made due to the rising and falling stock of players in the draft process.

This mock was compiled by a number of forum members, but I'd like to give a special thanks to DenButsu and B'sCeltsPatsSox who stuck with me in the thread for the whole process.

Other members involved were Korman12, homestarunner93, ManRamForPrez24, ccugrad1, Mr. Baller, SI, and ebbs.

What do you guys think?




New Orleans - Anthony Davis
Charlotte - Thomas Robinson
Washington - Brad Beal
Cleveland - Harrison Barnes
Sacramento - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Portland - Andre Drummond
Golden State - Dion Waiters
Toronto - Damian Lilliard
Detroit - John Henson
New Orleans - Jeremy Lamb
Portland - Austin Rivers
Milwaukee - Myers Leonard
Phoenix - Kendall Marshall
Houston - Tyler Zeller
Philadelphia - Jared Sullinger
Houston - Perry Jones III
Dallas - Terrence Jones
Houston - Terrence Ross
Orlando - Moe Harkless
Denver - Arnett Moultrie
Boston - Andrew Nicholson
Boston - Jeffrey Taylor
Atlanta - Royce White
Cleveland - Fab Melo
Memphis - Tony Wroten
Indiana - Marquis Teague
Miami - Festus Ezeli
Oklahoma City - Evan Fournier
Chicago - Doron Lamb
Golden State - Quincy Miller

raiderposting
06-26-2012, 10:05 PM
think the warriors will give into the pressure and take the bpa this year and that will be lillard according to this even if they have curry.

Corey
06-26-2012, 10:06 PM
BPA is completely subjective depending on who you talk to, though.

Becks2307
06-26-2012, 10:06 PM
i meeting the top prospects tomorrow, I intern at the NY Daily News, what should I ask Anthony Davis? lol

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 10:11 PM
i meeting the top prospects tomorrow, I intern at the NY Daily News, what should I ask Anthony Davis? lol

If he has had any homoerotic dreams

StarvingKnick22
06-26-2012, 10:13 PM
NOLA sad they are drafting Austin Rivers. Make a Second Round one please .

Raps18-19 Champ
06-26-2012, 10:17 PM
Give me Drummond!

Kashmir13579
06-26-2012, 10:19 PM
Dion Waiters is a 6'4 version of Kemba Walker. If i had a top 10 pick i would not use it on him. A lot of potential and no guarantee it ever pays off. He did some maturing off the court this past year, but on the court he still makes you scratch your head. Without his athleticism he is nothing.

I wasn't sad to see this guy leave. Oddly enough he was a fan favorite, but i think only for his dunks.


BTW guys nice job on the mock draft. I think its as good as any.

Corey
06-26-2012, 10:22 PM
Im not sold on Waiters either, but teams love him :shrug:

Thanks :)

ramz.n
06-26-2012, 10:26 PM
i see mkg getting drafted 2nd or he might fall to the number 8 spot.

New Orleans - Anthony Davis
Charlotte - Thomas Robinson
Washington - Bradley Beal
Cleveland -Andre Drummond
Sacramento - Harrison Barnes
Portland - Damian Lilliard
Golden State - Dion Waiters
Toronto - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Detroit - John Henson
New Orleans - JEremy LAmb/Austin Rivers or maybe even Sullinger

or

New Orleans - Anthony Davis
Charlotte - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Washington - Bradley Beal
Cleveland -Thomas Robinson
Sacramento - Harrison Barnes
Portland - Andre Drummond
Golden State - Dion Waiters
Toronto - Damian Lilliard
Detroit - John Henson
New Orleans - Jeremy Lamb/ Austin Rivers/ Sullinger

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-26-2012, 10:28 PM
i see mkg getting drafted 2nd or he might fall to the number 8 spot.

New Orleans - Anthony Davis
Charlotte - Thomas Robinson
Washington - Bradley Beal
Cleveland -Andre Drummond
Sacramento - Harrison Barnes
Portland - Damian Lilliard
Golden State - Dion Waiters
Toronto - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Detroit - John Henson
New Orleans - JEremy LAmb/Austin Rivers or maybe even Sullinger

or

New Orleans - Anthony Davis
Charlotte - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Washington - Bradley Beal
Cleveland -Thomas Robinson
Sacramento - Harrison Barnes
Portland - Andre Drummond
Golden State - Dion Waiters
Toronto - Damian Lilliard
Detroit - John Henson
New Orleans - Jeremy Lamb/ Austin Rivers/ Sullinger

MKG isn't falling past five.

NYKalltheway
06-26-2012, 10:29 PM
MKG will be #2 or #3 imo

Eagles4Lyfe
06-26-2012, 10:29 PM
Corey's top 4 is exactly how I see it starting.
But I think a team might trade to 5 to take MKG or the Kings just take Drummond..
The 5th pick is the one that'll make the rest of the draft

Raps18-19 Champ
06-26-2012, 10:32 PM
I had the top 5 about the same pretty much for 1 of my 2 mocks (no difference in the mocks except for the order of the top 5). I have Portland taking Lilliard since they said they really like him. Warriors don't need a C so they'll go with someone else. Then give me Drummond!

Corey
06-26-2012, 10:34 PM
What do y'all think about how far Sully and PJIII will slide?

NYG 2000
06-26-2012, 10:35 PM
In the NBA Round Table, we've been trying to put together a mock draft for the past couple of weeks. There have been many changes along the way, and a lot of alterations made due to the rising and falling stock of players in the draft process.

This mock was compiled by a number of forum members, but I'd like to give a special thanks to DenButsu and B'sCeltsPatsSox who stuck with me in the thread for the whole process.

Other members involved were Korman12, homestarunner93, ManRamForPrez24, ccugrad1, Mr. Baller, SI, and ebbs.

What do you guys think?




New Orleans - Anthony Davis
Charlotte - Thomas Robinson
Washington - Brad Beal
Cleveland - Harrison Barnes
Sacramento - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Portland - Andre Drummond
Golden State - Dion Waiters
Toronto - Damian Lilliard
Detroit - John Henson
New Orleans - Jeremy Lamb
Portland - Austin Rivers
Milwaukee - Myers Leonard
Phoenix - Kendall Marshall
Houston - Tyler Zeller
Philadelphia - Jared Sullinger
Houston - Perry Jones III
Dallas - Terrence Jones
Houston - Terrence Ross
Orlando - Moe Harkless
Denver - Arnett Moultrie
Boston - Andrew Nicholson
Boston - Jeffrey Taylor
Atlanta - Royce White
Cleveland - Fab Melo
Memphis - Tony Wroten
Indiana - Marquis Teague
Miami - Festus Ezeli
Oklahoma City - Evan Fournier
Chicago - Doron Lamb
Golden State - Quincy Miller


Copy and paste from Walter football. Com 2012 nba mock draft?

Fla.SticKy
06-26-2012, 10:36 PM
Looks good to me, maybe a few players flip flopped (like Barnes & MKG), and dont think Q.Miller goes that far down, but nobody's gonna get it exact. I hope thats not the way picks 21 & 22 go but hey.....lol!

StriveGreatness
06-26-2012, 10:39 PM
What do y'all think about how far Sully and PJIII will slide?

Hopefully he doesn't get past Detroit

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-26-2012, 10:40 PM
Looks good to me, maybe a few players flip flopped (like Barnes & MKG), and dont think Q.Miller goes that far down, but nobody's gonna get it exact. I hope thats not the way picks 21 & 22 go but hey.....lol!

We felt that Barnes would be picked ahead of MKG because Barnes has been coveted by Cleveland for a year and a half now. That was their original plan, to have Kyrie and Barnes.



Hopefully he doesn't get past Detroit


PJIII is a 3/4 tweener. Really doesn't have a set position right now. At the very best he may be like Jeff Green but that's just me.

Corey
06-26-2012, 10:41 PM
Copy and paste from Walter football. Com 2012 nba mock draft?

More like a 180 post discussion between myself and a few other members.

Nice failed callout attempt, though!

http://i.imgur.com/bPw6n.png

Catfish1314
06-26-2012, 10:41 PM
I might have an orgasm if Michael Kidd-Gilchrist falls to #5. I just might.

Sadds The Gr8
06-26-2012, 10:41 PM
Good mock. But I'd switch Rivers and Marshall, and I think GSW will reach on one of the centers (Zeller or Leonard) as insurance for Bogut

Fla.SticKy
06-26-2012, 10:44 PM
What do y'all think about how far Sully and PJIII will slide?

I can actually see Sully falling all the way to 19! PGIII, I'm not sold on this guy whats so ever. Call me crazy if you want, but he just seems soft to me. It wouldnt surprise me if he fell further down that TBH.

Stunner
06-26-2012, 10:44 PM
Will Barton to the Bulls

Corey
06-26-2012, 10:48 PM
I can actually see Sully falling all the way to 19! PGIII, I'm not sold on this guy whats so ever. Call me crazy if you want, but he just seems soft to me. It wouldnt surprise me if he fell further down that TBH.

Im right with you, man. I've been saying since BigXII started that PJIII is going to bust in the NBA. The second I saw him try to match up with Thomas Robinson, I said it.

He can dominate players that are smaller and less athletic than him, but toss a stronger player against him and he turtles.

Corey
06-26-2012, 10:49 PM
I might have an orgasm if Michael Kidd-Gilchrist falls to #5. I just might.

Its a very real possibility IMO.

Green_Monster
06-26-2012, 10:54 PM
Copy and paste from Walter football. Com 2012 nba mock draft?

No, they are very different.

----------------ProSportsDaily : Walter Football----------------

1. New Orleans - Anthony Davis : Anthony Davis

2. Charlotte - Thomas Robinson : Thomas Robinson

3. Washington - Brad Beal : Brad Beal

4. Cleveland - Harrison Barnes : Harrison Barnes

5. Sacramento - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist : Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

6. Portland - Andre Drummond : Andre Drummond

7. Golden State - Dion Waiters : Dion Waiters

8. Toronto - Damian Lilliard : Austin Rivers

9. Detroit - John Henson : John Henson

10. New Orleans - Jeremy Lamb : Tyler Zeller

11. Portland - Austin Rivers : Damion Lillard

12. Milwaukee - Myers Leonard : Myers Leonard

13. Phoenix - Kendall Marshall : Kendall Marshall

14. Houston - Tyler Zeller : Jeremy Lamb

15. Philadelphia - Jared Sullinger : Jared Sullinger

16. Houston - Perry Jones III : Arnett Moultrie

17. Dallas - Terrence Jones : Perry Jones

18. Houston - Terrence Ross : Terrence Ross

19. Orlando - Moe Harkless : Moe Harkless

20. Denver - Arnett Moultrie : Marquis Teague

21. Boston - Andrew Nicholson : Royce White

22. Boston - Jeffrey Taylor : Terrence Jones

23. Atlanta - Royce White : Quincy Miller

24. Cleveland - Fab Melo : Andrew Nicholson

25. Memphis - Tony Wroten : Tony Wroten

26. Indiana - Marquis Teague : Fab Melo

27. Miami - Festus Ezeli : John Jenkins

28. Oklahoma City - Evan Fournier : Jeffery Taylor

29. Chicago - Doron Lamb : Doron Lamb

30. Golden State - Quincy Miller : Draymond Green

SugeKnight
06-26-2012, 10:55 PM
No way the Warriors take Waiters.

Fla.SticKy
06-26-2012, 10:56 PM
I hope that your 19+20 picks fall to 21+22 actually! You guys from the Celtics forum know how I feel about that one!

Fla.SticKy
06-26-2012, 10:57 PM
Double post

Corey
06-26-2012, 11:09 PM
I hope that your 19+20 picks fall to 21+22 actually! You guys from the Celtics forum know how I feel about that one!

Yeah, I'd be smitten if Harkless or Moultrie fell.

Corey
06-26-2012, 11:13 PM
No way the Warriors take Waiters.

People way more qualified than either of us beg to differ:


The Warriors don't appear to have the assets to move up and may simply opt to take the best player available at No. 7, says Marcus Thompson of the Bay Area News Group. Damian Lillard and Dion Waiters are top contenders for the Warriors' pick.

HoopsWorld per Marcus Thompson.

SugeKnight
06-26-2012, 11:22 PM
In which case Lillard will be the pick

SugeKnight
06-26-2012, 11:23 PM
But more likely, the pick gets traded

Fla.SticKy
06-26-2012, 11:25 PM
But more likely, the pick gets traded

Send it to Boston.........lol

Corey
06-27-2012, 12:00 AM
In which case Lillard will be the pick

Your definition of BPA can be different than their definition of BPA :)

Korman12
06-27-2012, 12:04 AM
Good work finishing it up, guys. Got lost in the final few days.

Hawkeye15
06-27-2012, 12:26 AM
Dion Waiters is a 6'4 version of Kemba Walker. If i had a top 10 pick i would not use it on him. A lot of potential and no guarantee it ever pays off. He did some maturing off the court this past year, but on the court he still makes you scratch your head. Without his athleticism he is nothing.

I wasn't sad to see this guy leave. Oddly enough he was a fan favorite, but i think only for his dunks.


BTW guys nice job on the mock draft. I think its as good as any.

well bud, count me in as someone who would stay clear of any Cuse perimeter player at this point.

Hawkeye15
06-27-2012, 12:27 AM
Looks pretty good actually, fits the majority of mocks with some adjustments.

xabial
06-27-2012, 05:06 AM
Agree With everything. Only Disagreement is at #6 I think Portland Will have a MAJOR DEBATE on weather to Draft PG Lilliard, or PF/C Drummond.

BSardogan
06-27-2012, 06:42 AM
Give me Drummond!

I like your sig. Lol.

Blazers#1Fan
06-27-2012, 08:08 AM
Hornets Davis
Cats or cavs Robinson or Beal
Wiz MKG or beal
Cavs or cats MKG or Robinson
Kings barnes
Blazers Lillard
Warriors waiters
Raptors Lamb,rivers,drummond
Pistons Drummond
Hornets rivers,marshall,ross
Blazers ross,rivers,zeller,henson,pj3

Blazers#1Fan
06-27-2012, 08:09 AM
Theres a 100% chance portland takes Lillard

John Walls Era
06-27-2012, 08:13 AM
You guys got 1 right, thats about as far as perfect as the mock will go. Thomas Robinson won't get picked by the Bobcats.

Blazers#1Fan
06-27-2012, 08:13 AM
Hopefully he doesn't get past Detroit

Why hes anthony randolph 2.0

Pj3 doesnt fit i hope Pistons get drummond theyd have a nasty team

Drummond
Monroe
Maggette
Prince
Knight/stuckey

Kashmir13579
06-27-2012, 08:38 AM
well bud, count me in as someone who would stay clear of any Cuse perimeter player at this point.

Hahaha. I understand.

Corey
06-27-2012, 12:08 PM
You guys got 1 right, thats about as far as perfect as the mock will go. Thomas Robinson won't get picked by the Bobcats.

And why is that?

VCaintdead17
06-27-2012, 12:19 PM
I actually really liked this mock, and it's very similar to mine, good job fellas.

SugeKnight
06-27-2012, 01:30 PM
Portland would be stupid if they don't take Lillard.

Lillard+Leonard>Drummond+Rivers

LAKERMANIA
06-27-2012, 01:33 PM
That's what I was thinking, I think Portland takes Lillard

StriveGreatness
06-27-2012, 02:08 PM
Hornets Davis
Cats or cavs Robinson or Beal
Wiz MKG or beal
Cavs or cats MKG or Robinson
Kings barnes
Blazers Lillard
Warriors waiters
Raptors Lamb,rivers,drummond
Pistons Drummond
Hornets rivers,marshall,ross
Blazers ross,rivers,zeller,henson,pj3


Why hes anthony randolph 2.0

Pj3 doesnt fit i hope Pistons get drummond theyd have a nasty team

Drummond
Monroe
Maggette
Prince
Knight/stuckey

:confused:

And I agree about Drummond, I want him bad but he wasn't available in this mock.

I just don't see what's so appealing about a 215 pound PF that has a limited offensive game. He blocks shots, cool...

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-28-2012, 12:35 PM
Bump for final thoughts.


Also can't wait to see how ****ed up this will be after trades:laugh2:

DenButsu
06-28-2012, 06:47 PM
Bump for final thoughts.


Also can't wait to see how ****ed up this will be after trades:laugh2:

Yeah, by all accounts there's gonna be a LOT of trade action in this draft. But even so, hat still shouldn't change the main tiers of players too much, I'd expect. But it should definitely lead to a lot of shuffling within tiers.

We_need_players
06-28-2012, 06:50 PM
DRAMA ALERT

Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz
More intrigue as @Chris_Broussard reports Cav offer 4,24,33 to CLT for 2, 31. But source says Wash then disrupts deal, takes TROB at No. 3.

We_need_players
06-28-2012, 06:58 PM
Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
A couple of teams may be looking to trade into the late teens to get Fab Melo. Bucks, Cavs, Pacers?

John Walls Era
06-28-2012, 07:49 PM
You guys got 1 right, thats about as far as perfect as the mock will go. Thomas Robinson won't get picked by the Bobcats.

Called it.


And why is that?

Because I know who the GM is. Hes was not gonna pass on MKG, a championship calibre player in college.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-28-2012, 08:27 PM
You were 10 picks to late on T.Ross.

****ing Colangelo.

DenButsu
06-28-2012, 08:35 PM
Welp, 8 of the 10 players we had in our top 10 were chosen, though most at different picks than we had. But I guess we had the top 10 tiered pretty well. 11-20 might be a little more dicey, though.

SugeKnight
06-28-2012, 11:50 PM
Portland would be stupid if they don't take Lillard.

Lillard+Leonard>Drummond+Rivers

It's like I was in their war room :cool:

DenButsu
06-28-2012, 11:51 PM
So how good (or bad) was our crystal ball?

Here's how our picks stacked up to the actual results. The "# Off" column represents how many picks off from the actual pick our prediction was.


PSD Actual
Pick Team Player Pick # Off
1 NewOrleans Anthony Davis 1 0
2 Charlotte Thomas Robinson 5 3
3 Washington Brad Beal 3 0
4 Cleveland Harrison Barnes 7 3
5 Sacramento M. Kidd-Gilchrist 2 3
6 Portland Andre Drummond 9 3
7 Golden State Dion Waiters 4 3
8 Toronto Damian Lilliard 6 2
9 Detroit John Henson 14 5
10 NewOrleans Jeremy Lamb 12 2
11 Portland Austin Rivers 10 1
12 Houston Myers Leonard 11 1
13 Phoenix Kendall Marshall 13 0
14 Milwaukee Tyler Zeller 17 3
15 Philadelphia Jared Sullinger 21 6
16 Houston Perry Jones III 28 12
17 Dallas Terrence Jones 18 1
18 Houston Terrence Ross 8 10
19 Orlando Moe Harkless 15 4
20 Denver Arnett Moultrie 27 7
21 Boston Andrew Nicholson 19 2
22 Boston Jeffrey Taylor 31 9
23 Atlanta Royce White 16 7
24 Cleveland Fab Melo 22 2
25 Memphis Tony Wroten 25 0
26 Indiana Marquis Teague 29 3
27 Miami Festus Ezeli 30 3
28 OklahomaCity Evan Fournier 20 8
29 Chicago Doron Lamb 42 13
30 GoldenState Quincy Miller 38 8


We were off by an average of 2.4 picks in picks 1-10, by 4.5 picks in 11-20, and by 5.5 picks in 21-30, and 4.13 for the whole first round

John Walls Era
06-29-2012, 12:50 AM
^ Is that how accuracy is going to be measured?

DenButsu
06-29-2012, 01:05 AM
:shrug: That's how I measured it, just using the first idea that came to me. If you have a better way, I'd be more than happy to see it.

I'd imagine that a lot of mocks would break down in a similar way, though (regardless of how they're measured), moving from more to less accurate as they get into the lower part of the first round.

Im_in_Mia_bish
06-29-2012, 05:12 AM
I am actually loving the heat's pick.

Strengths:
*Inside-outside offensive game
*Moves well
*Effective high-post passer
*Good free-throw shooter

Weaknesses:
*Has to get stronger
*Needs to become more consistent

NBA projection:
Hamilton is in that second round- to undrafted category, but he has three things in his favor as he seeks to gain employment with an NBA team. One, he’s huge and mobile. That’s a rare combination. Two, he’s intelligent. Three, he’s not afraid to put in the time necessary to improve. He still has to get stronger and more assertive, but over the course of meeting with and working out for NBA teams, he’s likely to find a fan or two, just like former Kentucky big man Josh Harrellson did a year ago when he hooked on with the New York Knicks.

2011-12 Season:
Hamilton played just one season at LSU after transferring from Iowa State. It was expected that former LSU coach Trent Johnson could take advantage of Hamilton’s inside-outside skills, and he did just that; after two consecutive 20-loss seasons, the Tigers rebounded to 18-15 and a spot in the NIT. Hamilton earned second-team All-SEC honors while leading the Tigers in scoring, rebounding and blocked shots. Though he had one more season of eligibility remaining, Hamilton chose to pursue professional playing opportunities because he’s graduating and also getting married in the summer.

Key statistics:
12.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.9 apg, 1.7 tpg, 1.3 bpg, 30.0 mpg, .617 FG, .250 3PT, .781 FT

Cool statistic:
Hamilton finished 14th in the Southeastern Conference in scoring, ninth in rebounding, eighth in free throw percentage (78.1 percent, 107-137); ninth in blocked shots (1.3 bpg); and second in offensive rebounds (3.3 orpg).

Reminds me of:
Jeff Foster

What Insiders Say:
Former LSU coach Trent Johnson
“When he was at Iowa State, he rebounded and set a lot of screens. He wasn’t the focal point of the offense going through him. That’s no disrespect for their system. I have the utmost respect for coach McDermott. But Justin knew coming here we were going to go through him.
“For the first time in his basketball career, he was going to be asked to score, and feed from the post. Defensively, on the back line, he was a guy we could build our defense around, not just from the standpoint of blocking shots but as a guy who can take charges.”

What Outsiders Say:
Iowa State assistant coach T.J. Otzelberger
“He’s got a very interesting story. I still think he’s developing. You still know there’s some left in there. I’ve always thought that someday he could play in the NBA because of his size and character.”

RaiderKid318
06-29-2012, 05:47 AM
Wow lol

NYKalltheway
06-29-2012, 07:01 AM
MKG will be #2 or #3 imo

called it :shrug:

Corey
06-29-2012, 01:30 PM
:shrug: That's how I measured it, just using the first idea that came to me. If you have a better way, I'd be more than happy to see it.

I'd imagine that a lot of mocks would break down in a similar way, though (regardless of how they're measured), moving from more to less accurate as they get into the lower part of the first round.

Not too shabby. Could have gone a lot worse than it did :laugh2:

thekmp211
06-29-2012, 03:48 PM
well the MKG pick threw everyone for a loop.

i thought that the early 2nd round was better than the mid 1st round.

this was very good though.

John Walls Era
06-29-2012, 06:22 PM
:shrug: That's how I measured it, just using the first idea that came to me. If you have a better way, I'd be more than happy to see it.

I'd imagine that a lot of mocks would break down in a similar way, though (regardless of how they're measured), moving from more to less accurate as they get into the lower part of the first round.

I mean if you just took the top 30 players and mashed them from 1 - 30, it would look pretty good under that rubric too.

I will say this... if PSD had Meyers Leonard going in the lottery, that would've been the greatest mock ever.

topdog
06-29-2012, 08:04 PM
So how good (or bad) was our crystal ball?

We were off by an average of 2.4 picks in picks 1-10, by 4.5 picks in 11-20, and by 5.5 picks in 21-30, and 4.13 for the whole first round

3/30 correct! Very nice :clap: :eyebrow:

Good call on Memphis.