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phlp_bj
06-26-2012, 08:04 PM
Detroit has traded Ben Gordon and a protected future first-round pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette, league sources tell Y! Sports.

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/

LakersMaster24
06-26-2012, 08:04 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA

Thoughts ?

StriveGreatness
06-26-2012, 08:04 PM
YES, thank you Charlotte!

kjoke
06-26-2012, 08:04 PM
I think they get better :shrug:

justinnum1
06-26-2012, 08:05 PM
wtf are the bobcats doing?

phlp_bj
06-26-2012, 08:05 PM
the pick is the key

StriveGreatness
06-26-2012, 08:05 PM
Wait, how is Maggette's contract?

sunsfan88
06-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Detroit has traded Ben Gordon and a protected future first-round pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette, league sources tell Y! Sports.

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/217769658181361664

SlimKid
06-26-2012, 08:06 PM
interesting..

thekmp211
06-26-2012, 08:06 PM
decent trade

justinnum1
06-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Wait, how is Maggette's contract?
entering final year i think

phlp_bj
06-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Wait, how is Maggette's contract?

maggette is expiring

netsgiantsyanks
06-26-2012, 08:06 PM
should have never signed him. decent trade though, for everybody who doesn't click the link, detroit sent a protected future first rounder.

SlimKid
06-26-2012, 08:07 PM
3rd thread of it's kind

gilly
06-26-2012, 08:07 PM
When someone trades you alongside a first rounder for COREY MAGGETTE, that's a hint that you're sucking.

sunsfan88
06-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Kinda like the Hornets-Wizards trade....Hornets dumped salary and Wizards took on more...Pistons dump salary, Bobcats take on more.

greg_ory_2005
06-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Gordon and Jordan!

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 08:09 PM
Hoy ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can live with a protected 1st. It probably won't be till 5 years down the road (based on our talent level right now).

Dumars just traded the worst contract in the NBA. #Truth

DerekRE_3
06-26-2012, 08:10 PM
Have a feeling this is the last we will ever hear of Ben Gordon.

avrpatsfan
06-26-2012, 08:10 PM
How "protected" is the pick?

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 08:11 PM
Now amnesty Villanueva and were getting somewhere. This may be the deal that saves Joe D.

LakersMaster24
06-26-2012, 08:11 PM
Its lottery protected.

DR_1
06-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Bobcats won a trade? What? First LeBron wins a ring, now MJ wins a trade? What is the world coming to? :faint:

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Why on Earth would someone want Ben Gordon's contract?

STL Don
06-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Possibly to make room for Barnes..

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Its lottery protected.

Wow.

29$JerZ
06-26-2012, 08:12 PM
DJ Augustin
Ben Gordon
Kemba Walker

Is Mj trying to build the smallest back court ever?

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Bobcats won a trade? What? First LeBron wins a ring, now MJ wins a trade? What is the world coming to? :faint:

Explain. Please.

aussie
06-26-2012, 08:15 PM
How "protected" is the pick?

lottery, 2013

Monta is beast
06-26-2012, 08:15 PM
The Bobcats did not win this trade. Detroit raped in this deal.

RC3
06-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Good trade for the pistons.

justinnum1
06-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Hoy ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can live with a protected 1st. It probably won't be till 5 years down the road (based on our talent level right now).

Dumars just traded the worst contract in the NBA. #Truth

vilenueve is worse

avrpatsfan
06-26-2012, 08:17 PM
lottery, 2013
Well, the Bobcats aren't going to be better than a lottery team next year, so the Bobcats won this trade.

Ben Gordon is a decent SG. Maggette is awful.

JWO35
06-26-2012, 08:18 PM
If we buyout Maggette it's even ****ing better!

Monta is beast
06-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Detroit is putting together a nice squad. If they can get a Center and move Monroe over to Power Forward they could be a playoff team next season.

topdog
06-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Fair deal. 'Cats don't need cap for a couple years yet so essentially they take on Gordon's salary for the pick (remember every team has to meet the minimum cap). Detroit gets free of a behemoth contract sooner.

greg_ory_2005
06-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Only Jordan would be stupid enough to trade for Gordon. At least he'll probably be able to shoot whenever he wants on Charlotte.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 08:19 PM
vilenueve is worse

We still have our amnesty clause and a rich owner.

Chronz
06-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Who was in charge of this trade? This cant be Pritchards work

More-Than-Most
06-26-2012, 08:20 PM
lol Jordan

thekmp211
06-26-2012, 08:20 PM
if tehy pick MKG it sorta makes sense. but they will pick barnes because they picked sean may and adam morrison. sigh.

justinnum1
06-26-2012, 08:22 PM
We still have our amnesty clause and a rich owner.

no need to amnesty him. you guys arernt over the cap. but i think his contract is worse than gordons

Angry Norwegian
06-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Championship.

JPHX
06-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Really? Pistons win here. BG7 has a player option for 2013-14 and when he picks that up thats $35mil! Get rid of Charlie V. and Dumars might have saved his job.

Gators123
06-26-2012, 08:23 PM
**** Yes! Great work Joe D! Ben Gordons a ****ing bum.

yaswaggin
06-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Remember when Ben Gordon was dropping 50 pt games in Chicago?

How time flies

xabial
06-26-2012, 08:24 PM
Now if the Pistons find a way to get rid of Charlie V they would get rid themselves of their two worst contracts given in the 2009 Crap FA Class when they wasted their available Cap Space By Signing Ben Gordon and Charlie V both to FIVE YEAR CONTRACTS . Both SUCK and are OVERPAID.

Don't Troll me. Us, Knicks Fans have a right to talk about overpaid players because we have very good experience Overpaid Players. ;)

topdog
06-26-2012, 08:24 PM
Who was in charge of this trade? This cant be Pritchards work

The Bobcats are still going to have to spend some decent money to get up to the minimum cap level with Diaw gone. I'd liked to see the full protections on the pick, but they might as well get some assets as they work the long process of re-building.

BKLYNpigeon
06-26-2012, 08:24 PM
Bobcats wanted Ben Gordon so he can Teach Kemba to be a better Chukker.

StriveGreatness
06-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick


According to source, the pick is lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

LakersA's49ers
06-26-2012, 08:25 PM
good pickup for charlotte. id rather have gordon over maggette anyday

Gators123
06-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick

I'm so pumped. Great work from Joe D. Finally!

JWO35
06-26-2012, 08:26 PM
Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick

Wow!
WTF Jordan :laugh2:

LionsFan..LOL
06-26-2012, 08:26 PM
Thank god he is gone!

Gators123
06-26-2012, 08:27 PM
good pickup for charlotte. id rather have gordon over maggette anyday

Maggette > Gordon the last few years and Maggette has a much better contract.

StriveGreatness
06-26-2012, 08:27 PM
good pickup for charlotte. id rather have gordon over maggette anyday

I don't really think it's about the players in this scenario, at least for Detroit it isn't...

xabial
06-26-2012, 08:27 PM
Pistons Win this Trade. Get rid themselves of A Horrible Contract In Ben Gordon, and Recieve a Useful Expiring in Corey Maggette. Hopefully they Let Maggette Come off the books To Sign a FA, or Flip him for Somone better.

avrpatsfan
06-26-2012, 08:28 PM
Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick
Well, I just changed my mind about the trade after seeing that tweet. The Pistons clearly won it.

Jordan is a ****ing moron.

AI4MVP
06-26-2012, 08:28 PM
How does this shift the balance of power in the East? Do the Bobcats become favorites?

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 08:28 PM
I'll bet $100 Villanueva gets the amnesty clause on him in the next few days. WTF are the Bobcats thinking? lol

Gators123
06-26-2012, 08:28 PM
@KBergCBS:
Gordon owed $25.6M over next two years. Maggette has one year left at $10.9M, net savings to Pistons of $14.7M.

BKLYNpigeon
06-26-2012, 08:29 PM
Not bad for the Bobcats, that 1st round pick is only,

lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

avrpatsfan
06-26-2012, 08:30 PM
Maggette > Gordon the last few years and Maggette has a much better contract.
Maggette has one less year on his contract. That's not very significant, especially since the Bobcats are significantly below the cap.

Sixerlover
06-26-2012, 08:31 PM
Bobcats added a pick from a team that's going to be pretty bad for a while for a guy who never really played for them. Yeah they had to eat some $$ but for them it's about acquiring high potential players, and Pistons draft picks is a good way to try.

I like it for them. For Detroit, they just wanted to save some $$. Can't be mad at that either

Monta is beast
06-26-2012, 08:31 PM
Jordan...smh man.

xabial
06-26-2012, 08:32 PM
68 members and 295 guests. Wow O_o. VOICE your opinion or Sign Up Guys! Let your voice be heard.

Don't be scared ;)

Kia Kaha
06-26-2012, 08:32 PM
I must be the only one who thinks this is an alright deal for the cats, that pick could very well be a good one in only two or three years.

Gordon gives them something they need, scoring, even though he has fallen off i like this for the cats

effen5
06-26-2012, 08:34 PM
Booze and a protected first for dj Augustine make it happen garpax

BKLYNpigeon
06-26-2012, 08:34 PM
actually, with the League revenue sharing. The Bobcats are below the cap and they dont make alot of money. Teams like the Heat, Magic, Knicks, Lakers etc who are over the cap and pay luxury tax. that money is split up and paid to smaller market teams under the cap. so technically the Bobcats has the league paying for Ben Gordon.

KG2TB
06-26-2012, 08:35 PM
Fair deal. 'Cats don't need cap for a couple years yet so essentially they take on Gordon's salary for the pick (remember every team has to meet the minimum cap). Detroit gets free of a behemoth contract sooner.

Out of all the comments I've read so far, this is the most intelligent.

greg_ory_2005
06-26-2012, 08:35 PM
if tehy pick MKG it sorta makes sense. but they will pick barnes because they picked sean may and adam morrison. sigh.

Hi. :drool:

topdog
06-26-2012, 08:36 PM
Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick


According to source, the pick is lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

I really like this now for the Bobcats. They could have the pick as early as 2014 and only have to wait 4 years for total protection to be gone.

All that for taking on a slightly longer contract when you actually need salaries to meet the floor of the new CBA cap - 85% of the cap max.

effen5
06-26-2012, 08:36 PM
:laugh: I bet bg wishes he signed that deal from Chicago now hahaha it went from good to bad to ****in worst hahahahah

LTBaByyy
06-26-2012, 08:36 PM
Jordan is so dumb, I know for sure Cho is being a "Yes man"

He is better than this

WickedBadMan
06-26-2012, 08:37 PM
Meh, not like the Bobcats need money to lock up their "star"players or to pay all the FA that want to go there, don't see this deal as terrible for them.

2-ONE-5
06-26-2012, 08:37 PM
not bad. maybe a change of scenery will help Gordon. Pistons could use a tough vet guy like Magette; he should be able to help take a little pressure of Monroe

avrpatsfan
06-26-2012, 08:38 PM
Oh, I thought that the Bobcats were giving the Pistons a first rounder, read that wrong.

I guess the Bobcats won the trade after all.

topdog
06-26-2012, 08:38 PM
Out of all the comments I've read so far, this is the most intelligent.

Thank you! I don't get why people don't understand the move from the Bobcats side... oh, yeah 'cause people love to bash GMs/owners with bad reputations :facepalm:

hornetsfansydne
06-26-2012, 08:40 PM
I like the trade for both teams, frees up cap space for the Pistons sooner and as another poster said earlier the Bobcats need more salary to reach the floor of the new CBA (85% of the salary cap) whilst also getting the Bobcats a draft pick for the future which could replace the unprotected 2016 pick that Chicago owns

j-bay
06-26-2012, 08:41 PM
nm

Bulls_fan90
06-26-2012, 08:42 PM
I thought the Bobcats were giving up the pick. I take my vote back, Bobcats actually won the trade IMO :laugh2:

Raps18-19 Champ
06-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Bobcats got a pick, which could come in handy. Seems decent.

topdog
06-26-2012, 08:43 PM
Jordan is so dumb, I know for sure Cho is being a "Yes man"

He is better than this

How? How?! HOW?! How?! How?! :jumpy:

Does everyone realize that:

1. There is a salary cap "floor" that teams cannot go below - 85% of the max

2. Charlotte should not be looking for free agents until they develop a promising core

3. Those are some pretty favorable protections for Charlotte on that pick

4. Re-building teams need picks and a clear financial future i.e. they pinpoint the year when they actually need cap because their re-buid is far enough along

5. Both teams can do well in a trade if they are looking for different things

JDM
06-26-2012, 08:44 PM
From a Bobcats fan, I love this trade. Mags did nothing for us last year and getting him off the team to open up minutes for a younger SF (MKG, please) is great. I can deal with one extra year with Gordon, hell we may even amnesty him. In that case, we traded Mags for a future 1st. I'll take that all day. Good work Cho.

Gators123
06-26-2012, 08:45 PM
From a Bobcats fan, I love this trade. Mags did nothing for us last year and getting him off the team to open up minutes for a younger SF (MKG, please) is great. I can deal with one extra year with Gordon, hell we may even amnesty him. In that case, we traded Mags for a future 1st. I'll take that all day. Good work Cho.

I don't think they can amnesty him.

North Yorker
06-26-2012, 08:46 PM
Bobcats essentially just bought a 1st round pick.

JDM
06-26-2012, 08:48 PM
I don't think they can amnesty him.

How so?

Bulls_fan90
06-26-2012, 08:48 PM
From a Bobcats fan, I love this trade. Mags did nothing for us last year and getting him off the team to open up minutes for a younger SF (MKG, please) is great. I can deal with one extra year with Gordon, hell we may even amnesty him. In that case, we traded Mags for a future 1st. I'll take that all day. Good work Cho.

Bobcats definitely won the trade. The poll results are deceiving because of the way the trade was worded in the first post. A few posters (me included) thought the Bobcats gave up the future first.

Well done Jordan!!!:clap:

broncosfan4eva
06-26-2012, 08:48 PM
Good deal for both sides. Detroit is closer to being good so they get rid of a bad contract to possibly get them a decent free agent sooner. With the bobcats get a extra pick and only a yearlonger on a contract (they wont be good in 2 years)

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 08:49 PM
Fair deal. 'Cats don't need cap for a couple years yet so essentially they take on Gordon's salary for the pick (remember every team has to meet the minimum cap). Detroit gets free of a behemoth contract sooner.

first intelligent post in here...

they get a pick so charlotte clearly wins this deal...

b4 the deal they had $14million under contract in 2013/2014 and must spend a minimum of around $54 million

papipapsmanny
06-26-2012, 08:49 PM
Bobcats did well.

They should draft Drummond or Robinson. They should just do the deal with the Cavs and they could still get Drummond or Robinson at 4, and a guy like PJ3 (If he falls), Sullinger, or Quincy Miller at 24

North Yorker
06-26-2012, 08:50 PM
How so?

Pretty sure teams can only amnesty players that were under contract with their team when the new CBA was signed. You can't amnesty players you've acquired after the CBA.

DR_1
06-26-2012, 08:50 PM
Explain. Please.

Wait how protected is the pick?

TylerSL
06-26-2012, 08:50 PM
hmmm the Bobcats did get a 1st, but they gave up an expiring contract for somebody who isnt and has 1.5 million more. I think Detroit wins because they shed salary and got an expiring.

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 08:51 PM
Really? Pistons win here. BG7 has a player option for 2013-14 and when he picks that up thats $35mil! Get rid of Charlie V. and Dumars might have saved his job.

Gordon only has 2 years left on his deal at a total of $25 million

mark1125
06-26-2012, 08:51 PM
How so?

Teams will be permitted to waive one player with pay prior to any season of the labor deal -- only for contracts in place with the team making the move as of July 1, 2011 -- and have 100 percent of the player's salary removed from a team's payroll for both salary-cap and luxury-tax purposes. That means teams can save this mulligan for next season or beyond, unlike in 2005 when teams had just two weeks in August to use or lose the original amnesty clause forever.

JDM
06-26-2012, 08:52 PM
Pretty sure teams can only amnesty players that were under contract with their team when the new CBA was signed. You can't amnesty players you've acquired after the CBA.

Oh ok, thanks I didn't know that. Anyway I can live with Gordon for one extra year. This is our big cap space working for us. Being able to take on big contracts and getting assets in return (like picks).

mark1125
06-26-2012, 08:53 PM
This is a good move for each team. Detroit unloads a horrendous contract while Charlotte picks up a pick. Win-win if you ask me.

gatkins11
06-26-2012, 08:55 PM
Win-win trade.

Lloyd Christmas
06-26-2012, 08:55 PM
Why is this bad for Charlotte? Cap space means nothing to them. Who's going to sign there? Now they take on an extra year of a bad contract and get a first rounder. I like it.

JDM
06-26-2012, 08:56 PM
Teams will be permitted to waive one player with pay prior to any season of the labor deal -- only for contracts in place with the team making the move as of July 1, 2011 -- and have 100 percent of the player's salary removed from a team's payroll for both salary-cap and luxury-tax purposes. That means teams can save this mulligan for next season or beyond, unlike in 2005 when teams had just two weeks in August to use or lose the original amnesty clause forever.

Thanks for the detail. I guess that leaves, realistically, Diop and TT as the candidates then. Hopefully TT gets it.

0nekhmer
06-26-2012, 08:57 PM
I think ben gordon was a good player on the bulls with Rose in his rookie year. The guy is overpaid now and is aging, so i dont really know what the bobcats are doing, i would've just sent magette for the pick, and not take on BG's contract.

DR_1
06-26-2012, 08:57 PM
Ya I like it for Charlotte. The cap space is pointless for them.

ARose
06-26-2012, 08:58 PM
Maggette and Gordon both have bad value... but the edge goes to Maggette cause he has 1 less year left on his contract. Charlotte also gets a 1st though, so it's an ok deal for both sides.

JWO35
06-26-2012, 08:58 PM
Short Term: Good deal for the Pistons
Long Term: Potential good deal for Bobcats(depends when/where they get that 1st rounder)

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 08:59 PM
Hoy ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can live with a protected 1st. It probably won't be till 5 years down the road (based on our talent level right now).

Dumars just traded the worst contract in the NBA. #Truth

It's only one year longer. I imagine Gordon might not even exercise the final year of his contract and look for a longer term deal somewhere too, so it could end up being the same.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 08:59 PM
Detroit will have a good amount of money to spend next off-season, they will have a TON if they amnesty Villanueva.

Knight
Stuckey
Prince
this year's draft pick (9)
Monroe

Next year could net us a decent pick if we don't make the playoffs and we'll have 15-20 million to spend on top of this roster base. Things are finally looking up.

Gordon't contract handicapped us bad because Monroe would need a deal the year it expired (so we wouldn't be able to sign any good free agents before.)

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 09:00 PM
It's only one year longer. I imagine Gordon might not even exercise the final year of his contract and look for a longer term deal somewhere too, so it could end up being the same.

:facepalm: - You think he'll leave over 13 million on the table. :laugh2:

mdm692
06-26-2012, 09:01 PM
Odds of pistons becoming a playoff team next year are kind of difficult so they will probably stay in the lottery and keep their pick while the bobcats get the shaft again.

Asparagus
06-26-2012, 09:02 PM
Gordon to Charlotte likely means Cleveland trades up to #2 since they want Beal badly. Getting Gordon takes Beal off the table for Charlotte and MJ has a boner for Robinson.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 09:02 PM
The pick is more than likely going to be a mid-round 1st in either 2014 or 2015.

Phenomenonsense
06-26-2012, 09:04 PM
This really opens up our flexibility. We can pursue a buyout and amnesty CV and draft based on BPA instead of need in this draft, then go after Mcgee hard. I think Frank is a good teaching coach. Or we can let if all where it may.

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 09:04 PM
Not bad for the Bobcats, that 1st round pick is only,

lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

People aren't thinking about this. Detroit could very well be still **** in 2015 and 2016 lol

Gators123
06-26-2012, 09:05 PM
Vincent Ellis ‏@VinceEllis56


BG is coming off THREE horrendous seasons, lol. Man they would have traded BG for bag of balls, lol.

:laugh2: Pistons Beat writer.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 09:05 PM
People aren't thinking about this. Detroit could very well be still **** in 2015 and 2016 lol

We win championships - we aren't the ****ing Bobcats. #truth

lakerboy
06-26-2012, 09:06 PM
Ben Gordon is going to be a good fantasy pick this coming season.

black1605
06-26-2012, 09:06 PM
Love it. As has been said, the an extra year is worth acquiring the pick. Mike Dunlap specifically asked for shooters, and he got one. We will see the true value of the trade when we get the pick in two or three years. Not to mention, we're still owed a pick from Portland.

Looking forward to seeing what we do with the second pick.

Bulls_fan90
06-26-2012, 09:06 PM
This really opens up our flexibility. We can pursue a buyout and amnesty CV and draft based on BPA instead of need in this draft, then go after Mcgee hard. I think Frank is a good teaching coach. Or we can let if all where it may.

Move Monroe to the PF position?

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 09:08 PM
:facepalm: - You think he'll leave over 13 million on the table. :laugh2:

When he is 30 years old and potentially worried about an injury yes i think he would, for a 3-4 year deal that would pay him more than 13 million altogether. :facepalm:

StarvingKnick22
06-26-2012, 09:09 PM
the bobcats get an offensive player and a 3-star draft pick. so thats the end of that

NYG 2000
06-26-2012, 09:11 PM
Don't see much point for either team, besides Detroit clearing cap space in 2014

JDM
06-26-2012, 09:11 PM
Love it. As has been said, the an extra year is worth acquiring the pick. Mike Dunlap specifically asked for shooters, and he got one. We will see the true value of the trade when we get the pick in two or three years. Not to mention, we're still owed a pick from Portland.

Looking forward to seeing what we do with the second pick.

That's right! I love all of these picks coming our way. Kinda balances out the pick that we'll eventually send to Chicago.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 09:11 PM
When he is 30 years old and potentially worried about an injury yes i think he would, for a 3-4 year deal that would pay him more than 13 million altogether. :facepalm:

Gordon is terrible. No team will give him over 4 million a year. He'll pick up his option. If you think that's a possibility - good luck with that. Hope it works out for you. :facepalm:

StriveGreatness
06-26-2012, 09:12 PM
Vincent Ellis ‏@VinceEllis56


This is a good deal for the #Pistons. Frees up money to take care Monroe, who will be eligible for an extension next summer.

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 09:12 PM
We win championships - we aren't the ****ing Bobcats. #truth

It has been almost 9 years since your last championship.

black1605
06-26-2012, 09:12 PM
the bobcats get an offensive player and a 3-star draft pick. so thats the end of that

Seriously. We get a career 44% three point shooter, and a first round pick. And I would hardly call his contract awful; it's one year longer than we would have had Maggette, not three or four. Plus we have so little money committed to the 2013-2014 season that it makes the salary irrelevant from a cap point of view.

Really love this trade.

JWO35
06-26-2012, 09:13 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Bobcats pull a NJ Nets before all these picks come in by 2014-15

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 09:14 PM
Gordon is terrible. No team will give him over 4 million a year. He'll pick up his option. If you think that's a possibility - good luck with that. Hope it works out for you. :facepalm:

lol, yes i'm sure no team will give a good pure scorer who can put up more than 15ppg if given the time off good percentage shooting a decent contract. Freaking Matt Bonner makes 4 million a year. Ahh, forget it.

DR_1
06-26-2012, 09:14 PM
The pick is more than likely going to be a mid-round 1st in either 2014 or 2015.

It's worth it then. Kawhi Leonard amd Kenneth Faried both went mid-first round.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 09:14 PM
It has been almost 9 years since your last championship.

We are one of a very small group of teams to have three or more titles. Our GM has had a part in all of them. We won't live in the lottery like the Bobcats. Good luck with that too. Hope it works out for you.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 09:16 PM
lol, yes i'm sure no team will give a good pure scorer who can put up more than 15ppg if given the time off good percentage shooting a decent contract. Freaking Matt Bonner makes 4 million a year. Ahh, forget it.

Have you watched Gordon play at all the last three years? He's lost two steps since his Chicago days and is the most inconsistent player in the league. He is a 6'3 SG that can't dribble or pass for ****. He also has to be one of the top 5 worst defenders in the league. Did I miss something?

JDM
06-26-2012, 09:16 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Bobcats pull a NJ Nets before all these picks come in by 2014-15

I shall have none of this! Blasphemy!

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 09:16 PM
We are one of a very small group of teams to have three or more titles. Our GM has had a part in all of them. We won't live in the lottery like the Bobcats. Good luck with that too. Hope it works out for you.

Yeah, the way he constructed your current team, you are not winning titles anytime soon. By the way i'm not a Bobcats fan. But i would like to tell you to have fun trying to market Stuckey as an all star :laugh: Don't worry, he will be bringing you a championship in no time.

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 09:18 PM
Have you watched Gordon play at all the last three years? He's lost two steps since his Chicago days and is the most inconsistent player in the league. He is a 6'3 SG that can't dribble or pass for ****. He also has to be one of the top 5 worst defenders in the league. Did I miss something?

Yes, it is the fact that it doesn't matter. Bobcats lose nothing by taking on his salary as they are so below the cap anyways. They will at least get a mid level first round pick in the next few years, maybe even lottery. I don't see how this is a bad deal on their end. Maggete is even ******** than Gordon.

MagicBucsSox
06-26-2012, 09:21 PM
Michael Jordan ..........

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 09:22 PM
We are one of a very small group of teams to have three or more titles. Our GM has had a part in all of them. We won't live in the lottery like the Bobcats. Good luck with that too. Hope it works out for you.

The same genius gm who signed gordon and charlie V

might want to rework your argument

as for your 3 titles... might want to focus on who the coaches were...

whose coaching in detroit now? that's what i thought

Cal827
06-26-2012, 09:22 PM
Not gonna lie, when I first opened this, I thought charlotte dealt away the second pick for gordon lol

Burkey3472
06-26-2012, 09:23 PM
IMO we really won't know the winner of this deal for a couple of years. Both Maggette and Gordon are a wash this season so your weighting the deal by the 13.2 million owed to Ben Gordon the next season vs where the pick is. If the Pistons manage to get could and the pick is forced out of the lottery then it's hard to say Charlotte won this deal. If Detroit manages to stay bad for the next couple of years and they get a top 10 pick or even higher it could potential be a win for Charlotte (depending on the depth). IMO it's worth the risk for Charlotte because they need all the potential young talent they can get and this trade brings them a potentially high draft pick.

Gators123
06-26-2012, 09:24 PM
Yes, it is the fact that it doesn't matter. Bobcats lose nothing by taking on his salary as they are so below the cap anyways. They will at least get a mid level first round pick in the next few years, maybe even lottery. I don't see how this is a bad deal on their end. Maggete is even ******** than Gordon.

Maggette the last 3 years >>> Gordon the last 3 years.

black1605
06-26-2012, 09:26 PM
This has a Cho move written all over it. Acquire assets over time, build through the draft. People always bring up that we owe Chicago a pick, well we are now owed future picks from Portland, and now Detroit. Couldn't be happier.

Asparagus
06-26-2012, 09:26 PM
That's right! I love all of these picks coming our way. Kinda balances out the pick that we'll eventually send to Chicago.


That pick will still be a high lotto pick. Charlotte is NOWHERE close to being an average team.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 09:27 PM
The same genius gm who signed gordon and charlie V

might want to rework your argument

as for your 3 titles... might want to focus on who the coaches were...

whose coaching in detroit now? that's what i thought

Yawn.

Gators123
06-26-2012, 09:27 PM
lol

kenzo400
06-26-2012, 09:29 PM
Maggette the last 3 years >>> Gordon the last 3 years.

I don't know. Either way, it's a pissing contest. Who cares who wins?

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-26-2012, 09:29 PM
Michael Jordan's baby boy.....Ben Jordan!

Kashmir13579
06-26-2012, 09:33 PM
I actually like the move LOL.

mark1125
06-26-2012, 09:34 PM
It has been almost 9 years since your last championship.

True, but how many teams have won since then? Not many.

NJDrew2
06-26-2012, 09:34 PM
I like this deal for the Bobcats because they get the pick. If it takes a couple years to get it so what? They have time. They aren't going to sign big time free agents so they have to hope they can go the OKC way and get great players in the draft.
I don't mind it for Detroit either even though they gave up the pick. Anything they can do to get Brandon Knight on the floor more with the ball in his hands will only help them in the long run.

Procision
06-26-2012, 09:35 PM
Charlotte won't be good for awhile so BGs contract really isn't that big of a deal and they get a pick and the better player imo. Like the deal for the Bobcats.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 09:39 PM
1. If the pick is lottery protected, technically we haven't lost anything unless we make the playoffs. All I'm hearing today, is the same repeated BS about how messed up our roster is. So in theory , we should have nothing to fear since everyone thinks we're the worst franchise on earth anyway. Even though we won more games each of the last two seasons, somehow we're worse than the 8 teams with worse records than us who either didn't improve or got worse.

2. Without the deal, we would still be barely under the cap next season and couldn't bid on free agents above the MLE next summer. Dumars essentially traded the future non-lottery pick for a future free agent and saved the franchise 15 million dollars which should help free up purse strings which probably matters to gores, since unlike fans, Gores actually has to continue to pay Gordon's salary had Dumars lazily amnestied him instead of traded him for an expiring contract.

3. Trading Gordon reserves the amnesty for Villanueva's fat ***, potentially freeing both cap slugs in one fell swoop and saving the franchise more money than amnestying Gordon or Villanueva alone would have.

4. At the end of the season the only players on the team will be Knight, Stuckey, Prince, Singler, Monroe, Jerebko, (Henson), and Villanueva. All young, reasonably priced , hardworking, talented players except thethe fatass Villa. Total Cap hold of that core: 32 million dollars. Cap space available for free agents: 26 million dollars.

5. If we choose to amnesty Villanueva, then we end up with like 33 million in cap space next summer. That's enough money to bid on not one, but two MAX contract free agents to add to a potential playoff roster of Knight, Stuckey, Prince, Singler, Draft Pick to be named Thursday, and Monroe. Note that high dollar free agents value 4 things: High dollars, the chance to win, strip clubs, and warm weather. We should be able to offer the most important 3 of those 4.

6. If a team wants to let go of a high priced veteran to avoid paying the luxury tax we can make it happen for the right price. They can come to us now since we can offer, Daye, Max, Bynum and Magette. When the trade deadline comes around and teams that thought they could contend realize they can't, a lot of good Veterans typically become available (if we chose to go that route rather than free agency.)

7. If the forum really despairs that lost mid first rounder and wants more first round picks, we certainly have the ammo to get them. You'll note that the cost of a salary dump has historically been a first round draft pick. Cleveland has been stockpiling them( including the one that became Kyrie Irving) using that exact strategy . We have the expirings to absorb even the most exorbitant salary. If we chose to go that route, we could get multiple first round picks for expiring contracts to replace the one we gave up.



8. To sum up, the worst that could happen is we just lost a potential and easily replaceable mid first round pick, which this forum usually likes to pretend are worthless if anyone suggests we need to get the hell out of the lottery and start competing like a real franchise again. We now have the money to bid on every free agent available next summer. We got rid of our biggest cap slug and reserved our amnesty to use on Villanueva at our whim. We have a shitload of expiring contracts and a young inexpensive core to use as trade ammo.

9. Dumars doesn't suck nearly as much as trade analysis on this forum sucks.

This sums it up from the Pistons perspective.

49GiantWarriors
06-26-2012, 09:51 PM
Smh, they already have kemba walker

IndyRealist
06-26-2012, 09:56 PM
This would have been a better deal if Detroit did it a year ago.

IndyRealist
06-26-2012, 09:58 PM
The draft pick is fully lottery protected for next year, top-8 protected for year 2, top-1 protected for year 3 and unprotected in year 4.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120626/SPORTS0102/206260447#ixzz1yxGOlhf6

IndyRealist
06-26-2012, 10:00 PM
So, has detroit used up their amnesty already?

Wolfman01
06-26-2012, 10:01 PM
Great trade for both team. Gordon is not the player he was when he was with the Bulls but he still is capable of averaging over 10 points a game. Maggette game is average now and the guy can't contribute that much anymore.

mark1125
06-26-2012, 10:02 PM
So, has detroit used up their amnesty already?

Not yet, but I wouldn't be shocked to see it used on Villanueva soon. 2 horrible contracts.

Gators123
06-26-2012, 10:03 PM
So, has detroit used up their amnesty already?

Nope. Dumars is probably saving that for Charlie V.

IndyRealist
06-26-2012, 10:04 PM
Ugh, note that Gordon's contract is NOT 2yr, 25M. He has a player option for a 3rd year at $13.2M. No way he gives that up, he'll never get that on the free agent market.

Sorry for the multiple posts.

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 10:07 PM
Good thing the Pistons are getting all that cap space... we all know over the last 7-8 years that Detroit is a FA haven...

I mean... it's on the top of list of most of the top players places to play...

they are lining up 10 deep to play in the motor city...

LMFAO...

Keep clearing that cap space

black1605
06-26-2012, 10:07 PM
Ugh, note that Gordon's contract is NOT 2yr, 25M. He has a player option for a 3rd year at $13.2M. No way he gives that up, he'll never get that on the free agent market.

Sorry for the multiple posts.

No, his player option is for 2013-2014. Two years remaining including the option.

xxplayerxx23
06-26-2012, 10:09 PM
Wow.... I dont know what to say. Good job I think

Blink
06-26-2012, 10:10 PM
Good thing the Pistons are getting all that cap space... we all know over the last 7-8 years that Detroit is a FA haven...

I mean... it's on the top of list of most of the top players places to play...

they are lining up 10 deep to play in the motor city...

LMFAO...

Keep clearing that cap space

Lol. Your mad.

IndyRealist
06-26-2012, 10:10 PM
No, his player option is for 2013-2014. Two years remaining including the option.

Yup, my fault.

IndyRealist
06-26-2012, 10:11 PM
Good thing the Pistons are getting all that cap space... we all know over the last 7-8 years that Detroit is a FA haven...

I mean... it's on the top of list of most of the top players places to play...

they are lining up 10 deep to play in the motor city...

LMFAO...

Keep clearing that cap space

Or...they're clearing payroll so they can make money.

black1605
06-26-2012, 10:12 PM
Taking this from another board:

Cho took Stephen Jackson, and turned him into Ben Gordon and two first round picks, Bismack, and the Detroit pick.

Love this trade.

Blink
06-26-2012, 10:15 PM
Taking this from another board:

Cho took Stephen Jackson, and turned him into Ben Gordon and two first round picks, Bismack, and the Detroit pick.

Love this trade.

I think this is a good trade for both teams. Charlotte gets another first. Ben Gordon has been TERRIBLE in Detroit. Goes to a team where its really set up for him to score.

Detroit gets cap space we badly need. Monroe is extended next summer.

Great trade.

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 10:16 PM
Lol. Your mad.

huh?


it's just funny watching all the detroit fans get excited over this...

while it might clear cap... who the **** of any signifigance is gonna sign in detroit?

it's fools goal...

it's like the guy at the poker table who can't identify the fish... why? because he is the fish

btw... i am a laker fan so i know what a real winning organization is like

Assman22
06-26-2012, 10:16 PM
wtf are the bobcats doing?

Raping Detroit for a SG for two years and a huge draft pick in exchange for an expiring contract/player.

Gators123
06-26-2012, 10:17 PM
Good thing the Pistons are getting all that cap space... we all know over the last 7-8 years that Detroit is a FA haven...

I mean... it's on the top of list of most of the top players places to play...

they are lining up 10 deep to play in the motor city...

LMFAO...

Keep clearing that cap space

Its called flexibility. They can sign players, trade for players with bigger contracts etc...

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 10:20 PM
Or...they're clearing payroll so they can make money.

make money?

the salary cap floor kicks in year after next... they are still gonna have to spend 85% of the cap...

only way most small market teams make money in the Nba is flipping the team to another dumb buyer..

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 10:21 PM
Raping Detroit for a SG for two years and a huge draft pick in exchange for an expiring contract/player.

succinct analysis :clap:

StephenP
06-26-2012, 10:21 PM
Gordon never fit in with Detroit. A change in scenery could serve him well.

When he's hot he can still score in droves. Back in March he put up 45 on Denver including 9 of 9 from behind the arc. Then in the last game of the season scored 26 on Philly including 8 of 10 on three pointers.

He could be useful to the Bobcats when they need some quick scoring off the bench.

It's not like FAs are lining up to sign there.

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 10:23 PM
Its called flexibility. They can sign players, trade for players with bigger contracts etc...

I understand the CBA frontwards and backwards...

what it appears most FANS in here are missing is that we are talking about the DETROIT PISTONS

They are doomed to repeat 2009... lots of cap and no one good wanting to go there... translation... two **** contracts ... Gordon / Charlie V

topdog
06-26-2012, 10:23 PM
We win championships - we aren't the ****ing Bobcats. #truth

The Pistons have also been around much longer... so, yeah.

Here's the silly thing about the whole situation: Dumars essentially bid against himself. No one was trying to spend much money that summer because they were awaiting the big 2010 extravaganza. Heck, Ramon Sessions couldn't get any more than $4M from teams who needed PGs. I guess my point is Dumars drastically overpaid for mediocre talent.

Following from that, do you realistically think that this cap is going to attract "two max players" as you have alluded to in this thread? If Dumars had to overpay for mediocre players, what makes it a viable destination?

Let's talk about the other moves that have been made like extending Stuckey at $8M and inexplicably re-signing Prince when the Pistons should embrace a full re-build instead of re-tooling.

Finally, that pick that's being given up: it forces the Pistons to be outside the top 8 in 2014. Maybe they will be, but that still could be a lottery pick. Don't forget that other teams in the East are pursuing genuine re-builds that should produce real results. Toronto made improvements this year and has both the 8th pick and Valanicius in their pocket. The Wizards made their team somewhat credible with their infusion of veterans. What is Detroit doing?

topdog
06-26-2012, 10:25 PM
Btw, Detroit fans I am not trying to attack you. I feel this trade benefits both franchises, however, if someone wants to get snarky about their franchise or another, they must be broken down ;)

Blink
06-26-2012, 10:26 PM
Raping Detroit for a SG for two years and a huge draft pick in exchange for an expiring contract/player.

This trade is fair for both teams.

Lol seriously did you guys not watch Gordon? He was absolute trash in Detroit. GARBAGE.

Charlotte gets a first rd pick next year if we make the playoffs. Draft isn't that strong next year. If we are in the lottery. We have the pick.

Phenomenonsense
06-26-2012, 10:26 PM
There is nothing even "special" to see here. Players with bad contracts are often given away with a pick. Lotto protected next year, the final year the Pistons SHOULD be in the lottery. The 21-21 finish to last years season and Monroes insane increase in productivity leads me to believe the Pistons will be out of the lottery in two years. Maybe not by much, but still out of the lottery. Maggette gives us flexibility, in that at worst we can trade this expiring for gasp, a bad contract and a pick (funny how that works out) or try to buy him out while amnestying CV and heading out after Mcgee.

Bottom line: No one 'wins' this trade immediately. Both teams get something they want, we'll see how it works out in the future.

Vinylman
06-26-2012, 10:27 PM
The Pistons have also been around much longer... so, yeah.

Here's the silly thing about the whole situation: Dumars essentially bid against himself. No one was trying to spend much money that summer because they were awaiting the big 2010 extravaganza. Heck, Ramon Sessions couldn't get any more than $4M from teams who needed PGs. I guess my point is Dumars drastically overpaid for mediocre talent.

Following from that, do you realistically think that this cap is going to attract "two max players" as you have alluded to in this thread? If Dumars had to overpay for mediocre players, what makes it a viable destination?

Let's talk about the other moves that have been made like extending Stuckey at $8M and inexplicably re-signing Prince when the Pistons should embrace a full re-build instead of re-tooling.

Finally, that pick that's being given up: it forces the Pistons to be outside the top 8 in 2014. Maybe they will be, but that still could be a lottery pick. Don't forget that other teams in the East are pursuing genuine re-builds that should produce real results. Toronto made improvements this year and has both the 8th pick and Valanicius in their pocket. The Wizards made their team somewhat credible with their infusion of veterans. What is Detroit doing?

Ding Ding Ding...

well said :clap:

IceMan360
06-26-2012, 10:28 PM
i actually like the trade for the bobcats :shrug: gives them a scorer they need plus a 1st rounder

Phenomenonsense
06-26-2012, 10:28 PM
i actually like the trade for the bobcats :shrug: gives them a scorer they need plus a 1st rounder

To be honest I'd be very sad to have a "Walker-Gordon" tandem.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 10:28 PM
huh?


it's just funny watching all the detroit fans get excited over this...

while it might clear cap... who the **** of any signifigance is gonna sign in detroit?

it's fools goal...

it's like the guy at the poker table who can't identify the fish... why? because he is the fish

btw... i am a laker fan so i know what a real winning organization is like

We do too. Most of us remember beating you guys in 5 and having a 20+ point differential in the finals. That Lakers team was embarrassed.

I've been watching the NBA since 1981, so I have seen a couple titles we took from you guys.

Get off your high horse man.

Also, any idiot knows with cap room your flexible to do other things than just sign free agents (absorb contracts, trades, etc). lol

Also, the "Kobe" era is finished. Enjoy mediocrity - it's already started in LA - I'd be mad too if I was you.

Blink
06-26-2012, 10:29 PM
The Pistons have also been around much longer... so, yeah.

Here's the silly thing about the whole situation: Dumars essentially bid against himself. No one was trying to spend much money that summer because they were awaiting the big 2010 extravaganza. Heck, Ramon Sessions couldn't get any more than $4M from teams who needed PGs. I guess my point is Dumars drastically overpaid for mediocre talent.

Following from that, do you realistically think that this cap is going to attract "two max players" as you have alluded to in this thread? If Dumars had to overpay for mediocre players, what makes it a viable destination?

Let's talk about the other moves that have been made like extending Stuckey at $8M and inexplicably re-signing Prince when the Pistons should embrace a full re-build instead of re-tooling.

Finally, that pick that's being given up: it forces the Pistons to be outside the top 8 in 2014. Maybe they will be, but that still could be a lottery pick. Don't forget that other teams in the East are pursuing genuine re-builds that should produce real results. Toronto made improvements this year and has both the 8th pick and Valanicius in their pocket. The Wizards made their team somewhat credible with their infusion of veterans. What is Detroit doing?

Don't worry we know how bad we've been lately.

We are just excited that Joe actually made a trade. Its still way to early to decide who wins this trade. Right now it is a damn fair trade for both teams.

Blink
06-26-2012, 10:32 PM
We do too. Most of us remember beating you guys in 5 and having a 20+ point differential in the finals. That Lakers team was embarrassed.

I've been watching the NBA since 1981, so I have seen a couple titles we took from you guys.

Get off your high horse man.

Also, any idiot knows with cap room your flexible to do other things than just sign free agents (absorb contracts, trades, etc). lol

Don't even bother with him man. Just a bandwagon fan who doesn't know a damn thing about cap space and having flexibility.

Loved embarrassing that team in 2004.

Back on topic. Fair trade for both teams

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 10:34 PM
The Pistons have also been around much longer... so, yeah.

Here's the silly thing about the whole situation: Dumars essentially bid against himself. No one was trying to spend much money that summer because they were awaiting the big 2010 extravaganza. Heck, Ramon Sessions couldn't get any more than $4M from teams who needed PGs. I guess my point is Dumars drastically overpaid for mediocre talent.

Following from that, do you realistically think that this cap is going to attract "two max players" as you have alluded to in this thread? If Dumars had to overpay for mediocre players, what makes it a viable destination?

Let's talk about the other moves that have been made like extending Stuckey at $8M and inexplicably re-signing Prince when the Pistons should embrace a full re-build instead of re-tooling.

Finally, that pick that's being given up: it forces the Pistons to be outside the top 8 in 2014. Maybe they will be, but that still could be a lottery pick. Don't forget that other teams in the East are pursuing genuine re-builds that should produce real results. Toronto made improvements this year and has both the 8th pick and Valanicius in their pocket. The Wizards made their team somewhat credible with their infusion of veterans. What is Detroit doing?

Bocats were the worst team in the history of the NBA last year and have had 1 playoff team in their existence. /end of story.

IndyRealist
06-26-2012, 10:35 PM
make money?

the salary cap floor kicks in year after next... they are still gonna have to spend 85% of the cap...

only way most small market teams make money in the Nba is flipping the team to another dumb buyer..

That 15% is almost $9M. That would double their league average $10M operating income. While we are dealing with huge numbers when we're talking about NBA revenue, the actual profit margins are quite small for teams not in LA, New York, or Chicago.

Bruno
06-26-2012, 10:36 PM
?

Cracka2HI!
06-26-2012, 10:39 PM
Makes sense for both teams. Detroit pretty much needs to bottom out. This move helps them do that, but now they don't have the flexibility of trading a 1st rounder for a LONG time! Look what happened to my Clipps when they traded a 2nd future 1st! It turned out to be the 1st pick in the draft because you can't protect 2 future picks. They would have liked to move Villanueva as well I'm sure but it looks like they are stuck with him. Bad team that atleast shed some payroll. The pick won't mean much as long as make the playoffs in the next 7 years(if that part of the CBA is the same).

It looks like a great move for Charlotte on the surface, but honestly they are most likely getting a non lottery pick in 4-5 years. I think Maggette is the better player if that's saying anything. Gordon could be a fit there, but he also might suck and not fit in anywhere anymore.

Blink
06-26-2012, 10:40 PM
Makes sense for both teams. Detroit pretty much needs to bottom out. This move helps them do that, but now they don't have the flexibility of trading a 1st rounder for a LONG time! Look what happened to my Clipps when they traded a 2nd future 1st! It turned out to be the 1st pick in the draft because you can't protect 2 future picks. They would have liked to move Villanueva as well I'm sure but it looks like they are stuck with him. Bad team that atleast shed some payroll. The pick won't mean much as long as make the playoffs in the next 7 years(if that part of the CBA is the same).

It looks like a great move for Charlotte on the surface, but honestly they are most likely getting a non lottery pick in 4-5 years. I think Maggette is the better player if that's saying anything. Gordon could be a fit there, but he also might suck and not fit in anywhere anymore.

Pistons haven't used the amnesty clause yet. CV is good as gone!

black1605
06-26-2012, 10:43 PM
It looks like a great move for Charlotte on the surface, but honestly they are most likely getting a non lottery pick in 4-5 years. I think Maggette is the better player if that's saying anything. Gordon could be a fit there, but he also might suck and not fit in anywhere anymore.

The pick is ours in 2014-2015 if we don't get it sooner, unless the Pistons get the number one pick that year, then they keep it.

5ass
06-26-2012, 10:47 PM
good trade for the bobcats. they dont need to worry about capspace, and if gordon can put up good numbers on that bad team (which he should do) he could become a good asset.

Phenomenonsense
06-26-2012, 10:49 PM
You'll get it sooner, we actually have playoff aspirations.

effen5
06-26-2012, 10:51 PM
I think its a good deal for more teams, but I just can't stop laughing at BG....he could have been on one of the best teams in the league but instead Detroit and now Charlotte....:laugh:
Earn that money BG lmfao

IndyRealist
06-26-2012, 10:55 PM
In 3 years the pick is top 1 protected. I suspect Charlotte gets the pick then.

Cracka2HI!
06-26-2012, 10:57 PM
The pick is ours in 2014-2015 if we don't get it sooner, unless the Pistons get the number one pick that year, then they keep it.

That definitely makes it better! I'm not sure Detroit can turn it around by then.

fadedmario
06-26-2012, 11:02 PM
The Bobcats will likely get the pick the year it is Top 8 protected. I'm guessing mid-first.

They might even get it next year. The East is in no way deep and the Pistons only missed the playoffs by a few games last year and finished .500 in their last 42 games.

Monroe is quietly becoming a nice player in the NBA. We have Knight, Stuckey, and whoever we get at 9 this year. We could also have 33 million in cap room following this upcoming season.

JDM
06-26-2012, 11:08 PM
That pick will still be a high lotto pick. Charlotte is NOWHERE close to being an average team.

Yeah but there is protection on the pick going to Chicago. By my estimation it will be at least a couple of years before we send the pick to them.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-26-2012, 11:11 PM
People need to actually research things before they just go ripping Jordan as usual. Decent deal for the cats. Both teams win here. Although Pistons did give up basically a 2014 1st rounder for 1 year of less salary, in which they might not even be under the cap anyways. I like this move more for the cats.

nicegoing
06-26-2012, 11:13 PM
Ben Gordon can finally be unleashed and average 10 3 pointers a game.

JDM
06-26-2012, 11:13 PM
Yeah, this trade is much more about the draft pick than it is about Gordon. Gordon will come off the bench and provide scoring. It's not like we're rebuilding around him.

YeaDat
06-26-2012, 11:23 PM
If BG is healthy great deal

Ill21
06-26-2012, 11:23 PM
Not a bad deal for either team.

RipCity32
06-26-2012, 11:30 PM
I think both teams win just from the situation each one is in, this is a pretty fair trade.

black1605
06-26-2012, 11:32 PM
Additional fact to take into consideration:


The Bobcats shot 29.5 percent from 3-point range last season, worst in the NBA by about two percent. New coach Mike Dunlap said Monday his first roster priority was improving that. Gordon, age 29, has shot 41 percent from 3-point range over his eight-year NBA career.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/26/3344604/bobcats-trade-corey-maggette-to.html#storylink=cpy

Also:


Let me make this real simple for you: The Bobcats just purchased a first-round draft pick with money they had to spend anyway.
The headlines will say that Ben Gordon was traded for Corey Maggette, but pay no mind; they're just contracts in this deal. They're not bad players necessarily, but they're roughly equivalent talents with oversized contracts on teams going nowhere.
The real action is comes through the draft pick and the money changing hands. Charlotte now has a potential lottery pick in 2014 or 2015, and the cost is the difference in salary (about $14 million). Normally that would be an excessive price to pay, but these aren't normal times. The Bobcats may not hit the league's salary floor in 2013-14, let alone the cap, so the $13.2 million that Gordon adds to their payroll in that season doesn't stand to hurt them much since they needed to add a bunch of salary anyway. In that sense, they really paid far less than $14 million for the draft pick.
From Detroit's perspective, this deal was a no-brainer. The Pistons dump $13.2 million from their 2013-14 payroll, since Maggette's contract expires in 2012-13, retain their amnesty clause to use on Charlie Villanueva (instead of maybe Gordon), and now stand to be as much as $20 million under the cap that summer, depending on what moves they make between now and then.

ManRam
06-26-2012, 11:50 PM
Good deal for both.

Detroit gets rid of Ben and his contract. They need that to happen.

Charlotte gets some desperately needed scoring...and that pick could help next year.


Good deal.

bootleg42
06-26-2012, 11:59 PM
Don't Troll me. Us, Knicks Fans have a right to talk about overpaid players because we have very good experience Overpaid Players. ;)

James Dolan.....the only owner I dare say is worse than Michael Jordan.

BUT at least Dolan was smart enough to know that it takes having a star to at least compete in this league. Michael Jordan seems content to be the Kansas City Royals of basketball, OR he's dying to be the guy that builds a team only via drafting and plug-ins that wins it all.

If I were the Bobcats, I would NOT be taking on bad contracts. These next few years should be about getting rid of any bad contract, and building via the draft.............because they're going to get good picks in the next few years. Once they have a solid foundation, then you look for the star via free agency.

king4day
06-27-2012, 12:01 AM
I just don't get how so many here think this was bad for Charlotte.

First, they need to add a TON of cap to meet the salary cap floor. So if they don't do this trade, they will add players that are even more worthless than Gordon and get nothing in return.

Second, they add a future potential lottery pick in the coming years.

Third, I really doubt Charlotte wants to go another full year of the most embarrassing season in NBA history. They need to compete in some way to keep fans or else they'd run the risk of losing the franchise. Gordon should help provide what Jrich did years ago and keep them competitive enough to not get laughed at but bad enough to still be a top 5 lottery pick.

Maggette and Gordon, this year, are essentially a swap of salaries (Unlike Maggette, Gordon will actually play and help Charlotte).
Next year, Gordon will be an expiring contract.
They add a pick for taking on an expiring contract following this year.

PistonRings
06-27-2012, 12:13 AM
Man oh man, some dumb stuff in here. First, to the moronic Lakers fan who says Detroit is not a place players want to play, that's just silly. Can you or anyone here name a single player that the Pistons had more money to spend on than anyone else and the player turned them down because he didn't want to live in Detroit?

Detroit is known as a winning franchise and I personally heard Amare say he would love to play for Joe Dumars and the Pistons. When AI learned he was a Piston he was giggling like a sissy saying how great it was to be a Piston. CV and Gordon were the TOP FREE agents when Joe signed them and they too were saying how they were so happy to be playing for a winning franchise.

Come off of it, great players want to play for winning GM's and winning franchises with a storied history, and Detroit has always been known as that.

Now, like i asked, tell me a star who the Pistons recently made an offer to and had more or as much money to give him and he turned them down because they simply didn't want to live in Detroit, can you? Uh, no, you can't. The Pistons simply haven't had any money to spend in recent years other than the year we signed CV and Gordon, and they WERE THE TOP free agents and they were thrilled to get to play here.

I assure you, if the Pistons have a nice 30 million to throw around after next season you can bet your sweet little pea brain there will be stars who will have that hand out and they will expect that Joe is going to lead the team back to the top with the young studs he is building up.

As for your anger that we have been whipping that butt too much, get a hold of it, will ya? Here's something to really upset you. In the last two NBA championships the Pistons and Lakers have played against each other, the Pistons are 8-1 against you. A sweep and a 5 game sweep.

Now, on to this trade, it is not horrible for the Bobcats but not very good either. The pistons finished 21-21 after starting 4-20 last season with a new coach, new schemes, and rookie PG starting for them that had basically no training camp and two preseason games and almost no practice time during the season, so they were learning the systems and each other while the games were counting.

No doubt in my mind that Knight will be far better this year with a proper off season, training camp, and preseason and a grasp of the schemes. We will have a new quality big to pair with Monroe as well, and a solid core in four players, Knight/Stuckey/New pick/and Monroe, as well as JJ, tay, and maybe a free agent. Great chance we make the playoffs next season and if we do the Bobcats get a mid round pick, no big deal, and if we don't, we get to keep the pick.

The following year, after having a ton of money to spend and Knight entering his third season and Monroe his fourth year, no way the Pistons miss the playoffs, so again, it will be a mid pick, no great thing because those drafts will not be near as deep as this one, so the Pick will come next year and if not for sure the following year and it will be a mid round pick in a shallow draft.

Now, not a loss really because the Bobcats do need to spend some money and Gordon will give them some nice shooting so he will certainly contribute to their scoring load.

So not horrible for them, but the pick has a low chance of resulting in a serious NBA player, it may turn in to a future bench player from a shallow draft, but most likely will never be starter.

So I say good for both teams, but far better for the Pistons needs because now with this cap space and using the amnesty on CV, CM, Max, Daye, Big Ben retiring, man, the Pistons could literally have a ton of money to spend next season with a fine young core of players, so it appears to me that the Pistons are back, if not next season (they will make the playoffs), then the following year they will be contending.

The Pistons are back baby, and will be terrorizing an arena near you, soon.

Federal Reserve
06-27-2012, 12:15 AM
Beal will be lucky to ever develop and be anywhere as good as Ben Gordon. I think that this move will help the Bobcats refrain themselves from going after Beal who is a guaranteed bust.

black1605
06-27-2012, 12:19 AM
Beal will be lucky to ever develop and be anywhere as good as Ben Gordon. I think that this move will help the Bobcats refrain themselves from going after Beal who is a guaranteed bust.

Beal is definitely out of the picture for us. Robinson has to be the strong favorite, but we now have an even larger hole at small-forward.

Currently, it would be either Reggie Williams, or Derrick Brown, depending on who Dunlap likes more. So I would think this improves the case for Barnes and MKG, especially if we trade back to four.

nicegoing
06-27-2012, 12:25 AM
Man oh man, some dumb stuff in here. First, to the moronic Lakers fan who says Detroit is not a place players want to play, that's just silly. Can you or anyone here name a single player that the Pistons had more money to spend on than anyone else and the player turned them down because he didn't want to live in Detroit?

Detroit is known as a winning franchise and I personally heard Amare say he would love to play for Joe Dumars and the Pistons. When AI learned he was a Piston he was giggling like a sissy saying how great it was to be a Piston. CV and Gordon were the TOP FREE agents when Joe signed them and they too were saying how they were so happy to be playing for a winning franchise.

Come off of it, great players want to play for winning GM's and winning franchises with a storied history, and Detroit has always been known as that.

Now, like i asked, tell me a star who the Pistons recently made an offer to and had more or as much money to give him and he turned them down because they simply didn't want to live in Detroit, can you? Uh, no, you can't. The Pistons simply haven't had any money to spend in recent years other than the year we signed CV and Gordon, and they WERE THE TOP free agents and they were thrilled to get to play here.

I assure you, if the Pistons have a nice 30 million to throw around after next season you can bet your sweet little pea brain there will be stars who will have that hand out and they will expect that Joe is going to lead the team back to the top with the young studs he is building up.

As for your anger that we have been whipping that butt too much, get a hold of it, will ya? Here's something to really upset you. In the last two NBA championships the Pistons and Lakers have played against each other, the Pistons are 8-1 against you. A sweep and a 5 game sweep.

Now, on to this trade, it is not horrible for the Bobcats but not very good either. The pistons finished 21-21 after starting 4-20 last season with a new coach, new schemes, and rookie PG starting for them that had basically no training camp and two preseason games and almost no practice time during the season, so they were learning the systems and each other while the games were counting.

No doubt in my mind that Knight will be far better this year with a proper off season, training camp, and preseason and a grasp of the schemes. We will have a new quality big to pair with Monroe as well, and a solid core in four players, Knight/Stuckey/New pick/and Monroe, as well as JJ, tay, and maybe a free agent. Great chance we make the playoffs next season and if we do the Bobcats get a mid round pick, no big deal, and if we don't, we get to keep the pick.

The following year, after having a ton of money to spend and Knight entering his third season and Monroe his fourth year, no way the Pistons miss the playoffs, so again, it will be a mid pick, no great thing because those drafts will not be near as deep as this one, so the Pick will come next year and if not for sure the following year and it will be a mid round pick in a shallow draft.

Now, not a loss really because the Bobcats do need to spend some money and Gordon will give them some nice shooting so he will certainly contribute to their scoring load.

So not horrible for them, but the pick has a low chance of resulting in a serious NBA player, it may turn in to a future bench player from a shallow draft, but most likely will never be starter.

So I say good for both teams, but far better for the Pistons needs because now with this cap space and using the amnesty on CV, CM, Max, Daye, Big Ben retiring, man, the Pistons could literally have a ton of money to spend next season with a fine young core of players, so it appears to me that the Pistons are back, if not next season (they will make the playoffs), then the following year they will be contending.

The Pistons are back baby, and will be terrorizing an arena near you, soon.
They are back baby! Corey Magette will lead them to the promised land!

JDM
06-27-2012, 12:27 AM
I feel it's down to MKG and Robinson. If we trade back to 4, one of them should still be there.

Hawkeye15
06-27-2012, 12:28 AM
wait, is Detroit making good moves again?

Thank god as a closet Pistons fan...

PistonRings
06-27-2012, 12:33 AM
They are back baby! Corey Magette will lead them to the promised land!


Silly, CM will be gone probably at the deadline if he isn't bought out before the season, is that the best argument you have?

Vinylman
06-27-2012, 12:35 AM
Pistons... the land of none home grown players....

LMFAO...

enjoy your washington generals status for the forseeable future...

sharqstealth
06-27-2012, 12:40 AM
wtf are the bobcats doing?

Bobcats just did the right thing. They ain't going anywhere anyway next season, so why not get a future 1st round pick for that? Right move for rebuilding.

PistonRings
06-27-2012, 01:06 AM
Pathetic comeback, just as I figured, at least you have an arena near Hollywood, thank goodness for that or Shaq would have never came there, meaning those three titles off the list. In fact, without Hollywood you probably have zero titles, LMFAO!!!





Pistons... the land of none home grown players....

LMFAO...

enjoy your washington generals status for the forseeable future...

rocket
06-27-2012, 01:19 AM
Pistons... the land of none home grown players....

LMFAO...

enjoy your washington generals status for the forseeable future...

Haha I remember when the Pistons shitted on the Lakers... good times.

KTSports
06-27-2012, 01:37 AM
Great Trade for the Bobcats!! They are wayyyyy below the salary cap so Gordons Contract is No biggie PLUS a future 1st rounder is great for them!

KTSports
06-27-2012, 01:55 AM
Smh, they already have kemba walker
Your Point?? Explain Please.

KTSports
06-27-2012, 02:01 AM
Btw, Detroit fans I am not trying to attack you. I feel this trade benefits both franchises, however, if someone wants to get snarky about their franchise or another, they must be broken down ;)
Lol Love this!!

blastmasta26
06-27-2012, 02:02 AM
Great trade for the Pistons, decent for the Bobcats. The pick protections are a little too high I think.

Jenceman
06-27-2012, 02:19 AM
Gordon only has one more year on his contract than Corey, yet people are saying Detroit won the trade? The Bobcats are well under the cap, and it's not like they are signing a big free agent next offseason anyways...yet they net a pick that will end up being a lottery one in the future.

The Bobcats easily won this trade considering their circumstances...

HeaTxRipZz
06-27-2012, 04:24 AM
Definitely like it on the Bobcats end. They could now slide Henderson to the 3 if they wanted to

bigsams50
06-27-2012, 05:20 AM
We win championships - we aren't the ****ing Bobcats. #truth

We have been to the playoffs more recently then you guys. Detroit does have a better franchise history then us, no doubt. But you are acting like yall are some beasts in the East. Billups and Wallace are gone.

danidin
06-27-2012, 05:40 AM
MJ always loved Ben Gordon

bigsams50
06-27-2012, 05:50 AM
How is this a bad trade for the Bobcats? We take on an extra year of Gordons contract, for a first rounder. We are so far under the salary cap that this is no problem. Not to mention we could use Gordons scoring ability

fadedmario
06-27-2012, 06:46 AM
We have been to the playoffs more recently then you guys. Detroit does have a better franchise history then us, no doubt. But you are acting like yall are some beasts in the East. Billups and Wallace are gone.

lol man - you guys just came off the worst record in NBA history. Pathetic.

JasonJohnHorn
06-27-2012, 06:47 AM
I cannot fawking believe this! Why did Detroit give up a first-round draft pick to pick up an expiring contract? Seriously?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Dumars! WHAT THE FAWK ARE YOU DOING!!!

fadedmario
06-27-2012, 06:51 AM
‏@EvilMikeTomlin


Quote:
Ben Gordon says he's pretty excited to be with the Bobcats and win not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7 games

dodie53
06-27-2012, 07:14 AM
will this rejuvenate BG's career?

Blink
06-27-2012, 07:21 AM
I cannot fawking believe this! Why did Detroit give up a first-round draft pick to pick up an expiring contract? Seriously?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Dumars! WHAT THE FAWK ARE YOU DOING!!!

The only way they get Detroits first next year is if we make the playoffs. Lottery protected.

So its very possible that they will get our pick in 2 years and we shed salary.

Great trade for both teams as of now. To early to decide..

Blink
06-27-2012, 07:23 AM
will this rejuvenate BG's career?

There is a very good possibility. He never got minutes here and in Charlotte if he does he might just produce. But if he doesn't get his minutes......pure garbage.

bigsams50
06-27-2012, 07:54 AM
lol man - you guys just came off the worst record in NBA history. Pathetic.

Still been to the playoffs more recently then you guys :shrug: But all you do is win championships right? All you have done in this thread is talk **** like yall dominated this trade. Yall gave us a 1st for just an extra year of salary.

knicksfan42
06-27-2012, 08:00 AM
The Bobcats did not win this trade. Detroit raped in this deal.

Ben Gordon has 1 year left on his contract with a player option for the year after. Now he will probably pick up his option, because of the money obviously, but maybe a season with the Bobcats will change his mind. Regardless Detroit didn't rape, they may have won by a bit, but at worst Gordon comes off their book in two seasons (instead of Maggette at the end of next season) and they acquire a first rounder in return. It's far from rape.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-27-2012, 08:02 AM
lmfao

MonroeFAN
06-27-2012, 08:41 AM
still been to the playoffs more recently then you guys :shrug: But all you do is win championships right? All you have done in this thread is talk **** like yall dominated this trade. Yall gave us a 1st for just an extra year of salary.

yarrr

effen5
06-27-2012, 08:48 AM
Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas reunite!

MonroeFAN
06-27-2012, 08:55 AM
This is a good trade for both teams IMO. Detroit needed to rid it's self of BG, and now it's one amnesty away from being cleared of the 09 FA fiasco.

Charlotte needed to fill some cap space, and did so with a player who can light it up some times, while absolutely sucking *** the others. Maggs brings a player Detroit needs, an athletic player who can give our young point guard someone to oop it to in transition.

Detroit expects to be good soon, so they took on a little risk by giving the pick away, but I personally think it will work out. (of course I feel that way, they're my team).

Charlotte potentially gets a really nice pick out of this, which would suck for Detroit. But if everything falls in place, and this pick is from 15 on up then this was a great deal for Detroit.

An extra year of salary is everything to a team trying to compete.

Blink
06-27-2012, 08:59 AM
Now imagine if Charlotte can package Gordon with the #2? Gm should win Gm of the year on draft day if that happens.

MonroeFAN
06-27-2012, 09:06 AM
^for Amare?

MonroeFAN
06-27-2012, 09:10 AM
I love how Detroit and Charlotte are being compared here. Charlotte was the worst team in the history of the NBA last season, Detroit was a .500 team in the second half of the season with promising young talent.

We are a decent FA away from being a 6-8 seed.

bigsams50
06-27-2012, 09:14 AM
I love how Detroit and Charlotte are being compared here. Charlotte was the worst team in the history of the NBA last season, Detroit was a .500 team in the second half of the season with promising young talent.

We are a decent FA away from being a 6-8 seed.

No one is comparing them. Pistons fans are taking shots at the bobcats

mark1125
06-27-2012, 09:15 AM
I know the first rule of PSD is that someone ALWAYS has to lose in a trade and there always needs to be bickering.

In this case, this is classic win-win. The Pistons shed one of the worst contracts in the league. Keep in mind, there is a player option for a 3rd yr at over $13 million which Gordon would be stupid to decline. When they amnesty Villanueva, they will have the flexibility to make a trade or solid signing. Maggete is an expiring as well.

The Pistons seem to to be headed in the right direction, so I am guessing the Cats get a mid first round pick in 2014. That is not a bad deal considering they have the ability to absorb Gordons ridiculous deal.

This deal works for both parties and is what a deal should do. Both teams should be happy with this.

LongIslandIcedZ
06-27-2012, 09:21 AM
This kinda looks like to me that Detroit believes that they are a year ahead of Charlotte in terms of rebuilding. Detroit wants to create space for this upcoming free agent class, while Charlotte is obtaining picks and trying to have capspace for the 2014 season. Seems like a pretty even move, maybe with a little nod to Charlotte for getting the pick as well.

MonroeFAN
06-27-2012, 09:26 AM
No one is comparing them. Pistons fans are taking shots at the bobcats

Yeah, sorry about that. We both suck, the Pistons are closer to not sucking.

Wait, BG has a player option for the 3rd season? If that's true, this trade favors the Pistons.

bigsams50
06-27-2012, 09:28 AM
Yeah, sorry about that. We both suck, the Pistons are closer to not sucking.

Its no prob. It was mostly another Piston fan that was talking alot of smack. And yall have yalls franchise players right now. We are looking for ours.

We_need_players
06-27-2012, 09:43 AM
im just gonna chime in and dont care about what has already said in the thread

Maggette was the Bobcats best player by a long shot last year, atm it seems like a fair trade for both, the only reason the Pistons fans would be arguing on this thread is because Joe D. finally made a trade:clap:

IndyRealist
06-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Yeah, sorry about that. We both suck, the Pistons are closer to not sucking.

Wait, BG has a player option for the 3rd season? If that's true, this trade favors the Pistons.

No, the player option is 2013-2014. I made the same mistake when looking at the Pistons' contracts.

bigsams50
06-27-2012, 09:57 AM
im just gonna chime in and dont care about what has already said in the thread

Maggette was the Bobcats best player by a long shot last year, atm it seems like a fair trade for both, the only reason the Pistons fans would be arguing on this thread is because Joe D. finally made a trade:clap:

Henderson was better then Maggette

chicago lulz
06-27-2012, 10:00 AM
Don't understand this desire to call out a winner in trades, because sometimes...gasp...both teams win with a trade.