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Boston-Born
06-26-2012, 12:39 PM
Who are some of the best non-closer RPs in the league this year?

Pinstripe pride
06-26-2012, 12:53 PM
dave robertson

goldenstater
06-26-2012, 12:54 PM
Sergio Romo has been a stud!

Angry Norwegian
06-26-2012, 12:54 PM
Jon Rauch has been astonishing.

Boston-Born
06-26-2012, 01:01 PM
Charlie Furbush for me. Been absolutely great this year.

Pinstripe pride
06-26-2012, 01:02 PM
Jon Rauch has been astonishing.

anyone who pithces for the mets bull pen is autmotaically dsqualified form this

Pinstripe pride
06-26-2012, 01:02 PM
Charlie Furbush for me. Been absolutely great this year.

Plus he has a hilarious name

RTL
06-26-2012, 01:11 PM
Sergio Romo has been one of the best for the past three seasons.

Pakman
06-26-2012, 01:20 PM
Ernesto frieri

mikepelfrey
06-26-2012, 01:28 PM
Jon Rauch has been astonishing.

astonishing is right.....

I shudder every time he comes in the game for us

I agree with the first poster, even though he's a Yankee over the last 2 seasons, David Robertson has been the best reliever in the game. 14k's/9 1.30 era. he walks too many and constantly puts runners on, but then he just strikes out the side anyway...... ive seen him with the bases loaded at least 10 times and he always gets out of it


Ernesto frieri

has he given up a run yet? he's been great, but is it a fluke? small sample size but he has been great

avrpatsfan
06-26-2012, 01:32 PM
Scott Atchison. 1.36 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, in 39.2 IP.

Vandelay16
06-26-2012, 01:32 PM
James Russell has been flying under the radar.

mavwar53
06-26-2012, 01:36 PM
Charlie Furbush for me. Been absolutely great this year.

He's been great, too bad Seattle doesn't use him to set up or close, they are wasting talent again.

Eg714
06-26-2012, 01:42 PM
Scott downs has been really good.

Toxeryll
06-26-2012, 02:23 PM
casey janssen but hes our closer for now until santos comes back

d79cheese
06-26-2012, 02:29 PM
Sergio Romo

rocket
06-26-2012, 02:37 PM
Plus he has a hilarious name

And he was traded for Doug FISTER.

S.P.
06-26-2012, 02:38 PM
And he was traded for Doug FISTER.

Certainly the funniest trade of all time. If only Merkin Valdez could have been involved.

Stress
06-26-2012, 02:40 PM
Darren Christopher Oliver.
Has been our most consistent reliever this year.
Good numbers as well.

VRP723
06-26-2012, 02:45 PM
Since we're all naming players on our own teams, Ronald Belisario.

Pinstripe pride
06-26-2012, 02:45 PM
And he was traded for Doug FISTER.

Doug Fister was traded for Charlie Furbush? really? please tell me thats not a joke




BEST..........
TRADE........
EVER..........
http://www.bleachernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/comic-book-guy-worst-ever.gif

Jeffy25
06-26-2012, 02:48 PM
The list of the most productive relievers in baseball this year in order

1. Vinnie Pestano
2. Ernesto Frieri
3. Pedro Strop
4. Vincente Padilla
5. J. Benoit
6. Darren O'Day
7. Casey Janssen
8. Jared Burton
9. Tyler Clippard
10. Tom Wilhelmsen
11. Rafael Soriano
12. Kenley Jansen
13. Clay Hensley
14. Logan Ondrusek
15. Tim Collins
16. Ryan Cook
17. Jared Hughes

Of course, this is such a tiny sample size that it's hard to give it too much merit. Relievers don't pitch enough innings over the course of even one season to make too much out of their performances. I would say Robertson and Romo are the two best that come to my mind though.

You can also remove Jansen and Clippard possibly if you consider them closers.

Jeffy25
06-26-2012, 02:49 PM
Since we're all naming players on our own teams, Ronald Belisario.

I didn't name a single Cardinal :)


Mainly because there haven't been any good Cardinals relievers yet this year.

JNev
06-26-2012, 02:51 PM
Jason Grilli

Boston-Born
06-26-2012, 02:52 PM
The list of the most productive relievers in baseball this year in order

1. Vinnie Pestano
2. Ernesto Frieri
3. Pedro Strop
4. Vincente Padilla
5. J. Benoit
6. Darren O'Day
7. Casey Janssen
8. Jared Burton
9. Tyler Clippard
10. Tom Wilhelmsen
11. Rafael Soriano
12. Kenley Jansen
13. Clay Hensley
14. Logan Ondrusek
15. Tim Collins
16. Ryan Cook
17. Jared Hughes

Of course, this is such a tiny sample size that it's hard to give it too much merit. Relievers don't pitch enough innings over the course of even one season to make too much out of their performances. I would say Robertson and Romo are the two best that come to my mind though.

You can also remove Jansen and Clippard possibly if you consider them closers.

Is this a list you created or is it from a SABR site?

RangersMets
06-26-2012, 02:53 PM
Barry. Lamar. Bonds.

RTL
06-26-2012, 02:53 PM
The list of the most productive relievers in baseball this year in order

1. Vinnie Pestano
2. Ernesto Frieri
3. Pedro Strop
4. Vincente Padilla
5. J. Benoit
6. Darren O'Day
7. Casey Janssen
8. Jared Burton
9. Tyler Clippard
10. Tom Wilhelmsen
11. Rafael Soriano
12. Kenley Jansen
13. Clay Hensley
14. Logan Ondrusek
15. Tim Collins
16. Ryan Cook
17. Jared Hughes

Of course, this is such a tiny sample size that it's hard to give it too much merit. Relievers don't pitch enough innings over the course of even one season to make too much out of their performances. I would say Robertson and Romo are the two best that come to my mind though.

You can also remove Jansen and Clippard possibly if you consider them closers.

What's your definition of "most productive"?

PapaPilo00
06-26-2012, 02:54 PM
I didn't name a single Cardinal :)


Mainly because there haven't been any good Cardinals relievers yet this year.

Haha mainly because Boggs is our best reliever and he doesnt have any eye popping stats. His ERA is a bit over 2 though lol

Jeffy25
06-26-2012, 02:58 PM
What's your definition of "most productive"?

Who is coming up in the biggest pressure situations and succeeding thus far this year.

That is the WPA ranking of each non-closer thus far this year.

Jim Johnson has the highest rating of all relievers in baseball this year.

I have found that WPA is probably the most productive statistic for a relief pitcher that there is. Does he come through when you need him to? And is he coming through and being put in difficult situations?

Well that's your list of the guys that have done that thus far in our 3 month season.

RTL
06-26-2012, 02:59 PM
Gotcha, thanks:)

Jeffy25
06-26-2012, 03:02 PM
What's your definition of "most productive"?

I'd say that list is also pretty indicative of the best stats of non-closers this year as well. Low ERA's etc.

WPA is great for relievers though, because that's what they are asked to do. Come through in pressure situations.

Boston-Born
06-26-2012, 03:06 PM
It’s unfair to say Charlie Furbush is on a roll because the Seattle left-hander has been among the best relievers in the game since opening day.

Just now, however, he has gone nuclear.

Over his past 14 appearances – covering 19 innings – Furbush has not allowed a run, and for 11 of those innings he didn’t allow a hit.

For the season, he began Monday’s game with Oakland with a 3-1 record and a 2.01 earned-run average. Opposing hitters are batting .123 against him.

“I’ve learned an awful lot from watching the guys who’ve done this longer than I have,” Furbush said. “Last year, in Detroit, I watched Jose Valverde and the way he prepared.

“He’d talk to you in the ’pen but as the game went along, you’d see his face change. As we got closer to the ninth inning, his focus kicked in and there simply weren’t any distractions for him.”

Every reliever, Furbush said, has a slightly different way to get to the same place.

“You have to be able to forget the game, whatever happens, and be ready for the next day,” he said. “I didn’t learn everything from one or two people; I learned a lot from a bunch of guys, just talking and observing.”

Furbush has developed his own pregame routine, beginning when the team comes in from batting practice.

“I’ll get something to eat, take a shower, put on my uniform and lock into my game mode,” he said. “The clubhouse gets quiet before a game, with most guys focusing on what they have to focus on.

“For me, it’s making every pitch. Some guys focus on getting physically ready. I find when I get physically ready, the mental comes, too.”

When he begins to warm up to relieve, Furbush lasers his focus down to each pitch.

“Some guys focus on the at-bat, the inning, the situation,” he said. “I go pitch-to-pitch. Commit totally to the pitch you’re about to throw.”

No matter what happens – strike, ball, base hit – Furbush then forgets the last pitch and focuses on the next.

“I’ve thrown ball one, and I’ve thrown ball one, ball two and ball three at times,” he said. “You can’t think about what you just did, except to slightly improve what you do next. It’s happened, it’s done.”

Among the things Furbush is doing now is striking out opposing batters – at least one in each of his last 16 appearances. That’s the seventh-longest streak by a reliever in Mariners history. The team record is 22, set by Joel Piņeiro.


http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/06/26/2194418/furbush-borrows-from-best.html

zala
06-26-2012, 03:11 PM
What I have seen, Carlos Villanueva has always been very reliable long reliever. But his stats are not so good.

rkelly7
06-26-2012, 03:30 PM
Insert name of reliever on your own team who has done good this year.

So in my case, it's gotta be Pedro Strop. The O's stole him from the Rangers. For Mike Gonzalez of all people. And Darren O'Day too! Off waivers! The Rangers have made the O's bullpen solid! Thanks!:)

Boston-Born
06-26-2012, 03:37 PM
Insert name of reliever on your own team who has done good this year.

So in my case, it's gotta be Pedro Strop. The O's stole him from the Rangers. For Mike Gonzalez of all people. And Darren O'Day too! Off waivers! The Rangers have made the O's bullpen solid! Thanks!:)

:confused:

I started the thread and haven't named anyone on the Red Sox. I brought up Charlie Furbush on the Mariners.

lincecum=future
06-26-2012, 03:39 PM
Besides Sergio Romo who has been virtually unhittable I would have to show some love to Jason Grilli

Fly
06-26-2012, 03:47 PM
Strop, Grilli & Furbush. All have been spectacular.

rkelly7
06-26-2012, 04:16 PM
:confused:

I started the thread and haven't named anyone on the Red Sox. I brought up Charlie Furbush on the Mariners.

Just making a generalization. Not pointing you out Bro, don't worry. ;)

Zander 77
06-26-2012, 04:42 PM
Gonna show a little love here for Brayan Villarreal of the Detroit Tigers. 36 K's in 25 innings, with a 1.44 ERA and an average against of .151.

hustleloyrspct
06-26-2012, 05:06 PM
Darren O'Day and Pedro Strop have been lights out this year. I honestly think O'Day is the best non closer reliever in baseball.

LanceUpperCut
06-26-2012, 05:17 PM
Insert name of reliever on your own team who has done good this year.

So in my case, it's gotta be Pedro Strop. The O's stole him from the Rangers. For Mike Gonzalez of all people. And Darren O'Day too! Off waivers! The Rangers have made the O's bullpen solid! Thanks!:)

Well it might sound homerish but people watch there own team and don't see middle relievers from other teams enough to get a good read. With that said Casey Janseen has been solid.

Jeffy25
06-26-2012, 05:25 PM
Many of the guys people have homerifically named....I had in my list :)

d79cheese
06-26-2012, 06:10 PM
Many of the guys people have homerifically named....I had in my list :)

except Sergio Romo....

And Clay Hensley has to be removed from your list, I don't care what his WPA is, anyone that walks over 6 batter per 9 innings (and only strikes out 7) should not be on any top lists.

Jeffy25
06-26-2012, 06:14 PM
except Sergio Romo....

And Clay Hensley has to be removed from your list, I don't care what his WPA is, anyone that walks over 6 batter per 9 innings (and only strikes out 7) should not be on any top lists.

This is true.

But hey, he is getting out tough situations.

alew510
06-26-2012, 06:30 PM
nate jones

d79cheese
06-26-2012, 06:44 PM
This is true.

But hey, he is getting out tough situations.

I've watched just about every pitch he's thrown this year and I can tell you he gets pretty lucky with guys on base (which has inflated his WPA a bit). He puts a lot of guys on base and does a decent job of limiting damage (a lot of times with good defensive plays).

I don't necessarily care about splits/situations/innings when it comes to Romo. He has arcade numbers the past 2 seasons and I would take him in a high leverage situation over just about any relief pitcher going.

dannyh1469
06-26-2012, 07:31 PM
The Oakland A's relievers come to mind

Jeffy25
06-26-2012, 07:48 PM
I've watched just about every pitch he's thrown this year and I can tell you he gets pretty lucky with guys on base (which has inflated his WPA a bit). He puts a lot of guys on base and does a decent job of limiting damage (a lot of times with good defensive plays).

I don't necessarily care about splits/situations/innings when it comes to Romo. He has arcade numbers the past 2 seasons and I would take him in a high leverage situation over just about any relief pitcher going.

Oh WPA isn't a skill stat at all. It's simply a results stat. What you are seeing for him is a lot of positive results. It doesn't mean he can replicate it.

Romo and Robertson (who were the two guys in my post) are the two guys I would pick though (and Venters and Gregerson as well, but not at the same level). The issue that you are always going to have with relievers will be sample size. They don't pitch enough, so the results don't always mirror what the pitchers earn.

Hensley may not have earned the results he has, but he has gotten them. And....well....it's only been 3 months.

CarniifeX
06-26-2012, 07:56 PM
Scott Downs and Ernesto Frieri's numbers combined:

47.1 IP
24 H (Only 4 allowed by Frieri)
1 ER
20 BB
55 K
0.93 WHIP
0.18 ERA

LASportsFan1996
06-26-2012, 08:14 PM
Scott Downs, Sergio Romo, Ronald Belisario

Ian.
06-26-2012, 09:43 PM
Charlie Furbush for me. Been absolutely great this year.

He's been great, too bad Seattle doesn't use him to set up or close, they are wasting talent again.

Again?

Set up and closers don't necessarily pitch in the most important situations. So, until you back your comment, I'll think you're a fool.

ESaady
06-26-2012, 10:15 PM
The homer in me says: Sergio Romo.

The non-homer in me says: Sergio Romo.

5pointer
06-28-2012, 04:23 PM
The homer in me says: Sergio Romo.

The non-homer in me says: Sergio Romo.

This. No dot is unhittable.

rangersfan
06-28-2012, 05:27 PM
Our 23-year old rookie lefty Robbie Ross is having a nice year. 1.10 overall ERA, .976 WHIP, RH-hitters only hitting .207 against him, hitters hitting only .203 against him overall in our hitter-friendly park, etc.

We dinged B. Villarreal a bit on Tues. but you can tell he has awesome stuff, and he's basically only a rookie too.

Lakers + Giants
06-29-2012, 01:54 AM
The homer in me says: Sergio Romo.

The non-homer in me says: Sergio Romo.

Seriously. This.

floater
06-29-2012, 11:51 AM
some have mentioned frieri and i would go with him if you just look at his angels numbers (0 earned runs allowed, 6 hits allowed in 23.1 innings, FORTY K's in those innings) but he's been their closer for a while now so he doesn't qualify under the non-closer label.