PDA

View Full Version : JR Smith to opt out and re-sign long term



justinnum1
06-25-2012, 04:50 PM
stein
RT @HowardBeckNYT: JR Smith will decline Knicks option but intends to re-sign for longer term w/NY, source says. Story posting soon

Not sure this helps NY, smith was horrible in the playoffs this year. also, how will they resign him, and with what money?

Vincent
06-25-2012, 04:51 PM
well, looks like he's destined to be the leading scorer of a lottery bound team

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 05:02 PM
Horrible move by the Knicks. Woodson gonna play this dude 30min a night. Book it.

Hope to Gawd it doesn't go through. Gimme Bill Walker over this guy any day of the week. At least he won't shoot us out of games. I think JR has a negative effect on his teams regardless of what his box score dictates.

And on top of it he's got a horrible attitude.

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 05:04 PM
knicks need guys with winning attitutes, they need guys like keyon dooling, grant hill for the min would be a great move for them, guys like that, not me first chuckers like jr smith

StarvingKnick22
06-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Yes thank god ny hates him so much yes yes yes! :d

StarvingKnick22
06-25-2012, 05:09 PM
now we can sign Ray Allen along with Novak and lin. JR, go to the Heat and win a championship or something just leave NY! Thank God!

CavsYanksDuke
06-25-2012, 05:10 PM
knicks need guys with winning attitutes, they need guys like keyon dooling, grant hill for the min would be a great move for them, guys like that, not me first chuckers like jr smith

+1000000

Grant Hill has got to go to a contender or I, and most Duke fans, will be furious.

waveycrockett
06-25-2012, 05:11 PM
eating up that MLE. Good job JR! Bye dreams of Nash!

king4day
06-25-2012, 05:12 PM
Yes thank god ny hates him so much yes yes yes! :d

You may have misinterpretted the post. He is opting out so he can re-sign term.

I think they should wait to see what Nash does. If he leaves the Suns then Hill will most definetly leave Phoenix as well. Might be worth making a play for him instead.

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 05:15 PM
knicks need guys with winning attitutes, they need guys like keyon dooling, grant hill for the min would be a great move for them, guys like that, not me first chuckers like jr smith

JR does help us defensively, but at what cost?


.

goose14741
06-25-2012, 05:18 PM
Ya hes not the bwst 6th man but he has insane talent and aghleticism. Hes just selfish and dumb, but the knick can resign him for a 20% raise, that's 4 million a year at most, knicks are in no position gi deny that kind of talent

flatbush knicks
06-25-2012, 05:18 PM
jr smith is a good player just needs a better shot selection and he only opted out so he could get a 400 k raise which might force ny's hand and let that scrub fields go fk yes:clap:

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 05:20 PM
You may have misinterpretted the post. He is opting out so he can re-sign term.

I think they should wait to see what Nash does. If he leaves the Suns then Hill will most definetly leave Phoenix as well. Might be worth making a play for him instead.

Why would we do that? We do things like lock-up Woodson without looking at other options, and as our first FA move - pursue signing JR Smith long-term.

I hate being a Knick fan.. I really do.

flatbush knicks
06-25-2012, 05:20 PM
Ya hes not the bwst 6th man but he has insane talent and aghleticism. Hes just selfish and dumb, but the knick can resign him for a 20% raise, that's 4 million a year at most, knicks are in no position gi deny that kind of talent
actually he coud only get 2.9 mill instead of 2.5 its not really that big of a deal:facepalm:

utl768
06-25-2012, 05:22 PM
knicks have to use part of there exception to resign him now

stupid move though, theyd be wise to let him go

Knick_Fever
06-25-2012, 05:24 PM
stein

Not sure this helps NY, smith was horrible in the playoffs this year. also, how will they resign him, and with what money?

I agree, I can't stand this guy. He's a horrible defender and a 1-dimensional offensive player. Not to mention inconsistent and boneheaded. If this is true it should be a sad day for Knicks fans.

oak2455
06-25-2012, 05:27 PM
eating up that MLE. Good job JR! Bye dreams of Nash!

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman

If Smith accepts #Knicks 20-percent raise, the club doesn't have to use any of their mid-level exception to sign Smith.

trolling before the facts now back under your rock:D

daboywonder2002
06-25-2012, 05:33 PM
well jr's gone. knicks arent resigning him. he could probably get more money elsewhere

Spurred1
06-25-2012, 05:33 PM
Smith does have athleticism and youth. But he's pretty stupid-he's got piss poor shot selection, showboats, defends erratically, and tends to camp out at the three point line way too much. He loves himself and doesn't seem to buy into the concept of team.
Karl couldn't rein him in and he's great with difficult guys and Woodson probably won't be able to coach him effectively because Smith hasn't ever shown signs that he wants to learn or become a better player. What you see is what you get. He can shoot into games and then shoot you right out of them.

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 05:41 PM
Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman

If Smith accepts #Knicks 20-percent raise, the club doesn't have to use any of their mid-level exception to sign Smith.

trolling before the facts now back under your rock:D

i dont care if knicks got him for the min, he is not a team player and will not help ny in the way ny needs help. I dont think i read one knicks fans that liked JR this season.

DoMeFavors
06-25-2012, 05:43 PM
I could see Billy King giving JR Smith a bigger deal just so Knicks cant sign him or have to pay more.

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 05:50 PM
I could see Billy King giving JR Smith a bigger deal just so Knicks cant sign him or have to pay more.

You know what dude, this seriously crossed my mind. That could be a serious bullet dodged.

flatbush knicks
06-25-2012, 05:51 PM
i dont care if knicks got him for the min, he is not a team player and will not help ny in the way ny needs help. I dont think i read one knicks fans that liked JR this season.
lmao ther's nobody else out there for us plus jr is better then what he showed in the playoffs and if not hopefully he only signs a 1 year deal with us so if he does that shyt again he's gone

nycsports2
06-25-2012, 05:51 PM
if lin and novak can stay im good with this... ill take our team from last yr all day everyday they just need to get work in this summer in woodsons system and all stay healthy (best record in league after woodson took over not to bad)

AIMelo=KillaDUO
06-25-2012, 05:51 PM
stein

Not sure this helps NY, smith was horrible in the playoffs this year. also, how will they resign him, and with what money?

By your logic, LeBron shoulda been released after his performances against Dallas last season.

flatbush knicks
06-25-2012, 05:53 PM
I could see Billy King giving JR Smith a bigger deal just so Knicks cant sign him or have to pay more.

lmao that would just be another genius move by billy:facepalm:

AIMelo=KillaDUO
06-25-2012, 05:53 PM
i dont care if knicks got him for the min, he is not a team player and will not help ny in the way ny needs help. I dont think i read one knicks fans that liked JR this season.

I did. JR didn't perform well in the playoffs, I don't deny that but, he's always a threat each time he touches the basketball.

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 05:55 PM
By your logic, LeBron shoulda been released after his performances against Dallas last season.



the last 2 post season jr smith has had negative win shares lol

i wouldn't want him on my team if he was for free

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 05:56 PM
I did. JR didn't perform well in the playoffs, I don't deny that but, he's always a threat each time he touches the basketball.

yea, a threat to his own teams success.

negative win shares...

nicegoing
06-25-2012, 05:56 PM
They don't get streakier than Smith. He can either shoot you out of a game or be a hero. Usually it's the former.

GiantsSwaGG
06-25-2012, 06:02 PM
eating up that MLE. Good job JR! Bye dreams of Nash!

Goodbye D Will and Nets franchise!

netsgiantsyanks
06-25-2012, 06:05 PM
don't re-sign him NY.

flatbush knicks
06-25-2012, 06:05 PM
Goodbye D Will and Nets franchise!

:laugh:
thats a low blow

netsgiantsyanks
06-25-2012, 06:08 PM
Goodbye D Will and Nets franchise!

y u so mean?

DoMeFavors
06-25-2012, 06:11 PM
Goodbye D Will and Nets franchise!

Are you happy the NBA season is back after 1 year? I remember you posted in every thread "THERE WILL BE NO SEASON THERE LOCKOUT WILL STAY FOR A YEAR"

theheatles
06-25-2012, 06:18 PM
i think the knicks told him to decline because they said they'll resign him longer, and now they are going to re-nig and hose j.r. smith

GiantsSwaGG
06-25-2012, 06:18 PM
Are you happy the NBA season is back after 1 year? I remember you posted in every thread "THERE WILL BE NO SEASON THERE LOCKOUT WILL STAY FOR A YEAR"

And? Even the players didn't believe they was gonna be a season so what's your point?

I remember in every thread you posted that Melo was going to be a Net, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS?

netsgiantsyanks
06-25-2012, 06:20 PM
why is it that every knicks or nets thread has to have a knicks-nets **** slinging contest? sheesh.

Punk
06-25-2012, 06:21 PM
stein

Not sure this helps NY, smith was horrible in the playoffs this year. also, how will they resign him, and with what money?

He gets a pay increase by oping out, he can be re-signed to a 3 million deal without affecting the MLE or any other money I believe.

He's not getting a real multi year contract but 2 years sounds right.

GiantsSwaGG
06-25-2012, 06:22 PM
y u so mean?

He's a troll so I gave him some of his own medicine!

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 06:25 PM
the last 2 post season jr smith has had negative win shares lol

i wouldn't want him on my team if he was for free

Its weird you say that because i actually think Miami could be a perfect fit for him. No BS. Lebron and Wade would keep him in check and if they can't, well, experiment failed.

The problem with him in NY is Woodson has a hard-on for JR and doesn't hold him accountable. And if Woody isn't holding him accountable, who is... 'Melo?

A player like that can't have any form of green-light.

jimm120
06-25-2012, 06:28 PM
Ya hes not the bwst 6th man but he has insane talent and aghleticism. Hes just selfish and dumb, but the knick can resign him for a 20% raise, that's 4 million a year at most, knicks are in no position gi deny that kind of talent

20% raise is 2.8 million...I don't know where you got 4 million.

GiantsSwaGG
06-25-2012, 06:33 PM
20% raise is 2.8 million...I don't know where you got 4 million.

Obviously math wasn't his strongest subjects!

NYG 2000
06-25-2012, 06:44 PM
How can he opt out and resign? I'm pretty sure ny doesn't own his bird rights

NY007
06-25-2012, 06:52 PM
I like JR Smith, he came in half way thru a season and had zero chemistry with the team for te exception of Melo and Novak. He had a knack for finding Novak open.

It's funny how everyone makes the Knicks seem like a bad team. A training camp with Woodson and a full season and this team will be a 5th seed at worst. They played Miami in the 1st round while they were fully healthy and the Knicks were banged up bad.

Dade County
06-25-2012, 06:53 PM
I actually think that Jr Smith is a very good player ( scoring wise anyway )

Some of you knicks posters are sounding crazy right now. He played ok against the HEAT, but are Defense kept him contained.

And one of you guys posted that he should come to Miami and win a ring, that wouldn't even be fair.

Stop hating on that man.

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 07:03 PM
I like Jr, But if hes not going to sign for the 20 percent raise sorry but you have to leave. His defense was very good in NY shocked me how well he played defenseivley. I assume his shot will come back to form, but their are better opitons out there then him unless he signs 2.9 ayear

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-25-2012, 07:04 PM
whoever gets JR Smith is doomed...the guy is a cancer

colinskik
06-25-2012, 07:05 PM
After what I saw from his this season I'm not the biggest fan of JR. I was, however, impressed with his D, since I thought he was nothing but a chucker. If he could find his shot, be more selective, and continue to play consistently hard D, JR is actually a great bench guy. I wouldn't be sad to see him move on though.

DoMeFavors
06-25-2012, 07:06 PM
I actually dont think he cares about money that much, It seems like he likes NY and being by NJ and all that and he is like best friends with Melo.

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 07:29 PM
I actually dont think he cares about money that much, It seems like he likes NY and being by NJ and all that and he is like best friends with Melo.

I agree, but the rumors that melo didnt want JR in ny makes me think they cant be too good freinds

meloman1592
06-25-2012, 07:48 PM
You guys hating on jr are fools...he's a good player

NYG 2000
06-25-2012, 08:05 PM
You guys hating on jr are fools...he's a good player

Lol, that's he's a nice streaky shooter off your bench, but he's not somebody who is a good piece if you are trying to win a ring

KnicksorBust
06-25-2012, 08:18 PM
You guys hating on jr are fools...he's a good player

Yeah I mean 80% of his games he kill our offense... but he's a good player.

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 08:35 PM
Yeah I mean 80% of his games he kill our offense... but he's a good player.

LOL. I'm so glad you're with me on this one KoB. So many Knick fans are salivating over this and i don't get it.

YoungOne
06-25-2012, 08:36 PM
as long as he doesnt end up on my celtics I'm happy.

knickfan33
06-25-2012, 08:43 PM
good riddens.. get that bum out of NY

this guy is the *****, one big game every 10 and people think hes worth keeping... i ws hoping he would stay just for trade bait.

knickfan33
06-25-2012, 08:45 PM
i hope to god we dont give him long term unless we think we can trade him.

oak2455
06-25-2012, 08:46 PM
why is it that every knicks or nets thread has to have a knicks-nets **** slinging contest? sheesh.

agreed I like you my fellow Yankee fan:cheers::hi5:

AYozzy
06-25-2012, 08:51 PM
2.9 million dollars for JR Smith...yes please

What happens if the Knicks dont get Allen/Mayo etc.? Shumpert is still injured and we wouldnt have a true SG....everyone will be thanking that JR stayed with us

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 08:53 PM
LOL. I'm so glad you're with me on this one KoB. So many Knick fans are salivating over this and i don't get it.

I Also agree with you too, but you wouldnt want him at 2.9 million if it doesnt effect the MLE?

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 09:12 PM
I Also agree with you too, but you wouldnt want him at 2.9 million if it doesnt effect the MLE?

subtraction by addition

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 09:26 PM
subtraction by addition

But we cant use that cap if he leaves. So its losing a decent player without getting cap or anything back.

meloman1592
06-25-2012, 09:35 PM
dont listen to kash...he's anti melo and jr

IDunknown
06-25-2012, 11:31 PM
subtraction by addition

You mean addition by subtraction.

TylerSL
06-25-2012, 11:45 PM
This is good for NY. They can just not resign him. He is garbage anyways, so they can just save themselves the trouble and not bring him back now. It wont be hard for NY to upgrade. I mean, all JR Smith really is, is a ballhog, who chucks away offensive possessions. I mean, when we played the Knicks in Round 1, they couldnt even set up plays cuz he would shoot it every time he got the ball.

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 11:45 PM
You mean addition by subtraction.

no, i think he means the knicks are worse by adding him

Glen20
06-25-2012, 11:53 PM
dont listen to kash...he's anti melo and jr

by that logic we shouldn't listen to you because your anti everything else...

justinnum1
06-26-2012, 12:11 AM
coon
Full explanation coming tomorrow on the Knicks, Lin, the arbitration decision, the appeal, and why the Knicks are in big trouble (Insider).

Knicks will be in a holding pattern once FA begins until this arbitration gets resoled.

Glen20
06-26-2012, 12:15 AM
if pat riley were to sign him, id expect him to get fired
naturally, so should Grunwald if he uses any of the mle on him

TylerSL
06-26-2012, 12:17 AM
if pat riley were to sign him, id expect him to get fired
naturally, so should Grunwald if he uses any of the mle on him

I would be pissed at Riley if he wastes a roster spot on Smith.....

Losoway
06-26-2012, 12:18 AM
he played horrible this year with the knicks....i would just let him go to brooklyn like he wants to

Glen20
06-26-2012, 12:18 AM
I would be pissed at Riley if he wastes a roster spot on Smith.....

id take him for the min :p

xxplayerxx23
06-26-2012, 12:26 AM
coon said we have no shot to win it I dont take anything he says to mean anything. Jr was horrible but he came from china and struggled with his shot. He wont be that bad. for 2.9 million there isnt much better then Smith

flatbush knicks
06-26-2012, 12:28 AM
lmao but if he doesn't return to the knicks all the other teams in the nba even the heat would be like:drool:

Glen20
06-26-2012, 12:29 AM
coon said we have no shot to win it I dont take anything he says to mean anything. Jr was horrible but he came from china and struggled with his shot. He wont be that bad. for 2.9 million there isnt much better then Smith

i dont understand why the knicks organization is copping alot of flack for this though.
Unless they resign him, they've actually done nothing wrong. It was he who declined the option.

Glen20
06-26-2012, 12:29 AM
lmao but if he doesn't return to the knicks all the other teams in the nba even the heat would be like:drool:

well seeing as we can only spend 3 mil, i wouldn't take him unless he came for the min :pray:

xxplayerxx23
06-26-2012, 12:32 AM
i dont understand why the knicks organization is copping alot of flack for this though.
Unless they resign him, they've actually done nothing wrong. It was he who declined the option.

This, If he comes back for the 20 percent raise which =2.9 million I would be thrilled. Anything more no thanks

waveycrockett
06-26-2012, 12:38 AM
I hate the Knicks but JR for 2.9 MM is a bargain

xxplayerxx23
06-26-2012, 12:45 AM
I hate the Knicks but JR for 2.9 MM is a bargain

You do? I could not tell that. But I agree with the second part man :p

TylerSL
06-26-2012, 12:48 AM
id take him for the min :p

lol maybe the min. I'm just not crazy for a guy who shoots everytime he touches the ball, and all he produces in doing so is 40% from the field, 35% from 3, and 70% from the line.

xxplayerxx23
06-26-2012, 12:49 AM
35 from the 3 isnt bad.

TylerSL
06-26-2012, 12:53 AM
35 from the 3 isnt bad.

its average, still if I got a guy who takes 5.5 3's/game (most of them chucks) I would want him to hit them at a higher clip.

Losoway
06-26-2012, 02:17 AM
nobody in the league wants jr smith.....thats how the knicks got him in the first place

setman2000
06-26-2012, 02:33 AM
Who cares, marginal player that will make less this contract then his last one because he's not coachable or disciplined. Why is this even a thread? Oh yeah, we ALL have to care about a Knicks player! If JR were half as good as some think or if he ever did his part to reach his potential he would be looking at $8-10 million per at this point in his career - not $2.9 mill.

Evolution23
06-26-2012, 03:18 AM
He can create his own shot and won a few games for us when Melo was being doubled.

BK-TY
06-26-2012, 09:52 AM
PLUS JR had to handle the rock A LOT in the playoffs. He's better playing OFF the ball. He did well when in the game with B Diddy. Can't wait to see what he can do with Lin. DEFINITELY worth bringing back for the $2.9mil.

xxplayerxx23
06-26-2012, 10:08 AM
its average, still if I got a guy who takes 5.5 3's/game (most of them chucks) I would want him to hit them at a higher clip.

35 Percent its fine. Its like shooting 52 percent in two point attempts. I understand he had an off half a year but lets not go over board

Jetsguy
06-26-2012, 10:14 AM
such haters, lets go back to the threads when he came from China and see how many teams/people wanted him, now it seems he wants to stay with the Knicks long term and people would not take him on their team for the min all of the sudden.

bunch of idiots

setman2000
06-26-2012, 10:18 AM
such haters, lets go back to the threads when he came from China and see how many teams/people wanted him, now it seems he wants to stay with the Knicks long term and people would not take him on their team for the min all of the sudden.

bunch of idiots

Denver fans didn't want him and glad they didn't extend him! We know what a low class loser he was and still is - you idiot.

blastmasta26
06-26-2012, 10:34 AM
I definitely understand the resentment towards JR, but at this point, the Knicks probably have to take what they can get. With Shumpert out for a couple months going into the season and other FA's probably looking towards better teams, adding JR without using cap space seems like the best move IMO.

Of course, he was overused towards the end of the season and not held accountable by Woodson, which amplified his weaknesses. But I still think he can be decently effective if the ball doesn't stay in his hands for too long.

I'm not thrilled for this move, but I don't see what better options are out there for the Knicks that they can realistically obtain.

Kashmir13579
06-26-2012, 10:48 AM
dont listen to kash...he's anti melo and jr
LOL. so i'm not supportive of two notably flawed players. WHEN DID I GET THIS WAY?!

You mean addition by subtraction.
Thats not what i meant.

meloman1592
06-26-2012, 10:52 AM
LOL. so i'm not supportive of two notably flawed players. WHEN DID I GET THIS WAY?!

Thats not what i meant.

Every player is flawed

StarvingKnick22
06-26-2012, 11:44 AM
:cry: i hate smith

NYSPORTSALLDAY
06-26-2012, 12:44 PM
Let him walk

Jetsguy
06-26-2012, 02:18 PM
Denver fans didn't want him and glad they didn't extend him! We know what a low class loser he was and still is - you idiot.

1. reported

2. it took me 2 seconds to find the thread in the Denver forum where plenty of people wanted him

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=685104&highlight=jr+smith

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=692128&highlight=JR+Smith&page=2

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=695663&highlight=JR+Smith

TylerSL
06-26-2012, 02:33 PM
35 Percent its fine. Its like shooting 52 percent in two point attempts. I understand he had an off half a year but lets not go over board

If thats what you guys want then fine. He also has a terrible attitude, I just think there are more valuable players out there that are cheaper.

DR_1
06-26-2012, 02:35 PM
Why does New York want him back :facepalm:

utl768
06-26-2012, 03:38 PM
do they have to dip into their mid level exception to resign him?

Jarvo
06-26-2012, 06:13 PM
I like Jr Smith, But when he's hot his is & when he's not he is awful and chucks it up way too much.

xxplayerxx23
06-26-2012, 06:15 PM
If thats what you guys want then fine. He also has a terrible attitude, I just think there are more valuable players out there that are cheaper.

I dont want him really buti was just pointing out 35 percent isnt horrible. and I would agree but at 2.9 that we cant get back if he leaves I have to disagree with you on chepaer more valuable players

justinnum1
06-26-2012, 06:19 PM
I dont want him really buti was just pointing out 35 percent isnt horrible. and I would agree but at 2.9 that we cant get back if he leaves I have to disagree with you on chepaer more valuable players

Its not about the money, its about how he does more harm than good for your team.