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JordansBulls
06-25-2012, 03:48 PM
http://sulia.com/channel/atlanta-hawks/f/82bbba6f-2b42-4b0a-b05e-7163fbe96573/?source=Twitter



Sam Amick

Well, that didn't take long: with Atlanta GM Danny Ferry in his first day on the job, the message is spreading that he'll be looking to shake up the Hawks' roster and rebuild in some capacity. No specifics yet, but forward Josh Smith has tremendous value and an expiring contract (next season at $13.2 million), center Al Horford will be healthy again and is an attractive piece as well (four years, $48 million remaining) and shooting guard Joe Johnson has the sort of deal that any sane GM would try - and likely try in vain - to get rid of (four years and $89.3 million left).

Ty Fast
06-25-2012, 03:54 PM
good luck trading jj. what a contact.

Sportfan
06-25-2012, 03:55 PM
Smoove to boston plz

Raps08-09 Champ
06-25-2012, 03:58 PM
The 8th for Al Horford.

Federal Reserve
06-25-2012, 03:59 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

nicegoing
06-25-2012, 04:00 PM
Danny Ferry will find a way to screw this up.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:01 PM
YES! YES! YES! FINALLY!

Keep Horford and find a way to get Drummond on this team.

unleashthebeast
06-25-2012, 04:02 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

So the hawks deal a very good player and a ****** contract, for a ****** contract? Dont understand that deal for the hawks at all.

Oldmantrash
06-25-2012, 04:03 PM
YES! YES! YES! FINALLY!

Keep Horford and find a way to get Drummond on this team.

I love how everyone wants Drummond
The guy is going to be such a bust.

NYG 2000
06-25-2012, 04:04 PM
I'll given you Watson, deng and noah for Johnson and Smith

NYG 2000
06-25-2012, 04:05 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

Because their salaries are equal *facepalm*

RenegadeRiot36
06-25-2012, 04:05 PM
I'll give up the 4 and 33 for Smith in a heartbeat. Id even consider Miami's 1st next year too.

NYG 2000
06-25-2012, 04:06 PM
I'll give up the 4 and 33 for Smith in a heartbeat. Id even consider Miami's 1st next year too.

Don't Yall already have Thompson?

koreancabbage
06-25-2012, 04:06 PM
Because their salaries are equal *facepalm*

still doesn't make sense talent wise as well :facepalm:

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:07 PM
I'll given you Watson, deng and noah for Johnson and Smith

Good trade.

RenegadeRiot36
06-25-2012, 04:08 PM
Don't Yall already have Thompson?

Hell, id give up Thompson, 24th and the 33rd for him. Smith and Kyrie together would be a tandem to reckon with for a while.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:08 PM
I'll give up the 4 and 33 for Smith in a heartbeat. Id even consider Miami's 1st next year too.

Yes! We can draft a Center (Drummond) or a good wing player (MKG). Sign me up.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:09 PM
I love how everyone wants Drummond
The guy is going to be such a bust.

Why is a Nets fan worried about anything involving the draft?

mike44
06-25-2012, 04:10 PM
Keep Horford and Teague, blow the rest up.

NYG 2000
06-25-2012, 04:10 PM
I love how everyone wants Drummond
The guy is going to be such a bust.

Why is a Nets fan worried about anything involving the draft?

Haha Haha

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:12 PM
Keep Horford and Teague, blow the rest up.

I would even trade Teague if the deal is right. We need a pass first PG for Horford.

Horford to me, is the only player I wouldn't trade for a pick in this year's draft. He would have to be involved with a Superstar trade.

IndyRealist
06-25-2012, 04:18 PM
I'll given you Watson, deng and noah for Johnson and Smith

I like that deal for both teams. If Chicago can extend Smith, they can amnesty Boozer. Atlanta can bump Horford to PF and leave Noah in the middle, Deng bumps Marvin Williams to the bench, and they're out from JJ's ridiculous contract.

mike44
06-25-2012, 04:18 PM
I would even trade Teague if the deal is right. We need a pass first PG for Horford.

Horford to me, is the only player I wouldn't trade for a pick in this year's draft. He would have to be involved with a Superstar trade.

We dont really know how good Teague could be. I love his athleticism and scoring ability and if the Hawks actually ran plays that allowed Teague to create, his assists would likely go up. Plus we havent really seen him and Horford together since this was his first year playing regularly and Horford was out all year. But I agree if the deal is right definitely trade him.

Turtle55
06-25-2012, 04:18 PM
Can't see any trade for Joe Johnson happening but in reality Rashard Lewis has been traded twice and ZBo was traded a few times when he was "untradeable" so anything is possible. Would Love Joe on the Bulls but absolutely hate his contract. Dealing Josh Smith would be interesting though. I like the Smoove for the 4th pick suggestion.

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 04:20 PM
Bynum for Horford + Teague + 1st?

TheNumber37
06-25-2012, 04:24 PM
I love when this happens. Their best bet really is to try to Send JJ in a deal with Smith. Get a lottery pick and some solid young talent (maybe trade with Phili) and keep Horford and Teague.

thephoenixson28
06-25-2012, 04:26 PM
I'll trade Childress,Warrick,Gortat,Fye, and the 13th pick For Johnson, and smith.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:26 PM
Bynum for Horford + Teague + 1st?

I would pass on that. Horford and Teague has no issues with attitude. Adding our 1st is pushing it.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:29 PM
I can see Josh Smith netting a top 10 pick easy (Cavs, Kings, Warriors, etc). Draft Drummond.

Joe Johnson will be hard to trade. I wouldn't amnesty him yet, since he can still put up numbers. Slide him to SF.

Get anything you can for Marvin. Maybe package him with the #23 for a better draft position.

I can bet Horford won't be going anywhere. He is better than the #1 draft pick and the only person that makes sense in trading him for is Howard.

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 04:30 PM
I think people are overreacting to Bynum's "attitude". Lots of players had horrible attitudes but still turned out great, ex: Shaq. Its basketball not a citizenship class.

I dont think the 1st is pushing it too far. Horford is just as injury prone now as Bynum, and Teague is not even a Top 20 PG in the league. Bynum is the best offensive big and the #2 center.

JordansBulls
06-25-2012, 04:30 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89mzres

Horford, Smith and JJ and trade Deng, Boozer, RIp, Korver, Brewer while keeping Rose and Noah we would be hell of awesome.

PG Rose
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Noah

rickshaw
06-25-2012, 04:34 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89mzres

Horford, Smith and JJ and trade Deng, Boozer, RIp, Korver, Brewer while keeping Rose and Noah we would be hell of awesome.

PG Rose
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Noah

Why would Atlanta? They want back young talent and not Boozer.

sunsfan88
06-25-2012, 04:35 PM
#13, Dudley, Sarver's wife for Horford....(and maybe we'll take on Williams contract as well)

Mutombolievable
06-25-2012, 04:36 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89mzres

Horford, Smith and JJ and trade Deng, Boozer, RIp, Korver, Brewer while keeping Rose and Noah we would be hell of awesome.

PG Rose
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Noah

Haha, yea, and if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's *** on the ground when it hopped. This trade is ludacris

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 04:36 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89mzres

Horford, Smith and JJ and trade Deng, Boozer, RIp, Korver, Brewer while keeping Rose and Noah we would be hell of awesome.

PG Rose
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Noah

Horrendous for the Hawks.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:37 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89mzres

Horford, Smith and JJ and trade Deng, Boozer, RIp, Korver, Brewer while keeping Rose and Noah we would be hell of awesome.

PG Rose
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Noah

Can I ask you, are you serious with this? I mean, 1st, the Bulls have no one outside of Rose worth Horford. 2, we are "rebuilding", so why would we want any of those players? 3, we trade Joe's contract for Boozer and his contract. Hmmmmm. Tempting.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:38 PM
#13, Dudley, Sarver's wife for Horford....(and maybe we'll take on Williams contract as well)

Horford > Smith. Horford > #13. Smith = top 8 pick.

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 04:40 PM
Hawks should try to pull a trade for Howard, with like Horford. Then they can use Smith to get Deron, since he would most likely ask for a trade.

Have a core of Dwight JJ and Deron.

Deron
JJ
Williams
FA
Dwight

JLynn943
06-25-2012, 04:40 PM
Bynum for Horford + Teague + 1st?

There has to be a better trade the Lakers could get for Bynum.

celtNYpatsHeels
06-25-2012, 04:41 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89mzres

Horford, Smith and JJ and trade Deng, Boozer, RIp, Korver, Brewer while keeping Rose and Noah we would be hell of awesome.

PG Rose
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Noah

Yep, this is completely realistic and will definitely happen.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:44 PM
Josh Smith and #23 for Kings pick and Evans?

Teague
Evans
Joe
Horford
Drummond

Thomas/Fredette
Thornton
#23 pick
Smith
Cousins


I would do that Josh Smith for Cavs pick too.

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 04:45 PM
There has to be a better trade the Lakers could get for Bynum.

According to that Hawks fan, I am asking too much with even this offer :o

Horford + Smith for Bynum + future 1st Rounder + Ebanks :pray::pray:

YoungOne
06-25-2012, 04:46 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

makes no scene for the hawks.

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 04:48 PM
Josh Smith and #23 for Kings pick and Evans?

Teague
Evans
Joe
Horford
Drummond

Thomas/Fredette
Thornton
#23 pick
Smith
Cousins


I would do that Josh Smith for Cavs pick too.

That trade makes no sense for Kings. They dont need a extra big right now. They much rather draft another player with their current pick, or trade for a real pointguard. Anyways there is no way Smith is worth Evans AND the Kings pick.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:48 PM
According to that Hawks fan, I am asking too much with even this offer :o

Horford + Smith for Bynum + future 1st Rounder + Ebanks :pray::pray:

I like it. I just think we can trade Smith for a top 10 pick easy, without Horford.

Horford/Drummond or just Bynum is my thinking right now.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:49 PM
That trade makes no sense for Kings. They dont need a extra big right now. They much rather draft another player with their current pick, or trade for a real pointguard. Anyways there is no way Smith is worth Evans AND the Kings pick.

what's funny is a Kings fan brought that trade up about a week ago, so.....

JLynn943
06-25-2012, 04:49 PM
Josh Smith and #23 for Kings pick and Evans?

Teague
Evans
Joe
Horford
Drummond

Thomas/Fredette
Thornton
#23 pick
Smith
Cousins


I would do that Josh Smith for Cavs pick too.

I'm probably over-valuing Tyreke, but I don't think I'd take that deal. We could most likely get the SF we need without losing Tyreke by just picking at #5.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:51 PM
I'm probably over-valuing Tyreke, but I don't think I'd take that deal. We could most likely get the SF we need without losing Tyreke by just picking at #5.

I'm not really looking for Evans anyways, so sorry about that. Just trying to find a Josh Smith for a top 6-8 pick. Cavs and Kings seem most likely. Maybe Wiz.

b@llhog24
06-25-2012, 04:55 PM
Why is a Nets fan worried about anything involving the draft?

:burn:


http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89mzres

Horford, Smith and JJ and trade Deng, Boozer, RIp, Korver, Brewer while keeping Rose and Noah we would be hell of awesome.

PG Rose
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Noah

:puke:

JordansBulls
06-25-2012, 04:55 PM
Haha, yea, and if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's *** on the ground when it hopped. This trade is ludacris

We could throw in Asik or the Bobcats pick with this as well.

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 04:55 PM
I like it. I just think we can trade Smith for a top 10 pick easy, without Horford.

Horford/Drummond or just Bynum is my thinking right now.

Trade Josh Smith to Toronto for their pick + Derozan? :shrug: Maybe Toronto will bite?

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:55 PM
I forgot all about Larry Drew. I wonder if he will be fired or kept for this season. No more ISO basketball.

b@llhog24
06-25-2012, 04:56 PM
Batum 6 and 11 + filler and for Horford and Marvin williams. :pray:

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 04:56 PM
We could throw in Asik or the Bobcats pick with this as well.

Asik is nothing more than a body thats never going to reach a star level. That pick is for 2016, Bobcats will be a decent team by then........I HOPE. :D

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:56 PM
Trade Josh Smith to Toronto for their pick + Derozan? :shrug: Maybe Toronto will bite?

Maybe. They are trying to get rid of it correct?

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 04:58 PM
Batum 6 and 11 + filler and for Horford and Marvin williams. :pray:

Horford will most likely be playing PF now. You all are keeping LA right?

Wrench
06-25-2012, 04:59 PM
They needed to blow this team up a few years back.

The goods
06-25-2012, 05:00 PM
Why is a Nets fan worried about anything involving the draft?

Hahahaha
And a nice Sig what do you think of jsmoove at the 3? I've always felt like that was his best position.

b@llhog24
06-25-2012, 05:01 PM
Horford will most likely be playing PF now. You all are keeping LA right?

It would just be a big front court with cross matches on defense, and yes we're keeping LA.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 05:04 PM
Hahahaha
And a nice Sig what do you think of jsmoove at the 3? I've always felt like that was his best position.

Josh Smith at the 3 has been a question since he came in the league. He "will" shoot jumpers, but can't make them. His best defense is in the paint as a shot blocker. Has the body to be LeBron's equal, yet not the IQ or the basics of playing at SF.

On the flipside, he has never had a great coach. If he had one to teach him and get after him, he could be a great slasher at SF.

The goods
06-25-2012, 05:04 PM
Put horford at the 4 get a nice 5 along with Teague and JJ and the hawks will be looking nice.
I'll be sad because I have a josh smith jersey but trade him to the Lakers and we'll call it even. Lol

KnIckFaN.2883
06-25-2012, 05:06 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72aglqc

The goods
06-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Josh Smith at the 3 has been a question since he came in the league. He "will" shoot jumpers, but can't make them. His best defense is in the paint as a shot blocker. Has the body to be LeBron's equal, yet not the IQ or the basics of playing at SF.

On the flipside, he has never had a great coach. If he had one to teach him and get after him, he could be a great slasher at SF.

Exactly what I've thought he's just as athletic as LeBron but needs the I.Q. and the natural basics I completely agree.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 05:11 PM
Put horford at the 4 get a nice 5 along with Teague and JJ and the hawks will be looking nice.
I'll be sad because I have a josh smith jersey but trade him to the Lakers and we'll call it even. Lol

3 way trade. Hawks get a top pick to draft Drummond. Lakers get Smith. The other team gets Gasol+whatever.;)

The Apprentice
06-25-2012, 05:12 PM
Bobcats should get in on this

sf-fanatic
06-25-2012, 05:12 PM
Wright + Biedrins + 7 + 30 for Smith + 23

LakersMaster24
06-25-2012, 05:12 PM
3 way trade. Hawks get a top pick to draft Drummond. Lakers get Smith. The other team gets Gasol+whatever.;)

No lottery team would want Pau though :p

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 05:18 PM
Wright + Biedrins + 7 + 30 for Smith + 23

If Drummond falls, deal.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 05:18 PM
No lottery team would want Pau though :p

:p I'll throw in our #23.

king4day
06-25-2012, 05:18 PM
If Atlanta wants to trade JJ, they must realize they won't get much back. Throwing in Smith would be the perk for a team taking them on.

The only Suns deal I could see as feasable is Gortat & 13th pick for Smith. If he wasn't expiring I'd agree the Suns should add more but he is.
I'd be OK with adding to this and take JJ back too but the Suns would need to make sure Nash is going to resign.

GoPacers33
06-25-2012, 05:21 PM
Smoove to the Pacers please

Blink
06-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Ben Gordon for Smith :p

j-bay
06-25-2012, 05:27 PM
If this is true, it probally means the wizards will be the 2nd best team in the SE division

sf-fanatic
06-25-2012, 05:29 PM
Smith to Warriors might make the warriors a top 6 team in the west.

broncosfan4eva
06-25-2012, 05:35 PM
iggy or smoove to the lakers please :)

FarOutIos
06-25-2012, 05:37 PM
The 8th for Al Horford.

Better yet... 5th for al... Al and cousins...

DR_1
06-25-2012, 05:44 PM
Why don't they just amnesty JJ?

broncosfan4eva
06-25-2012, 05:49 PM
Three Team Trade that looks something like this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88ecey5

Lakers Sends: Pau Gasol and Steve Blake
Atlanta Sends: Joe Johnson Josh Smith Marvin Williams
Minnesota Sends: JJ Barea Darko Milicic- Expiring Contracts of: Martel Webster Brad Miller Wayne Ellington

New Lineups:
Lakers:
JJ Barea
Kobe Bryant
Marvin Williams
Josh Smith
Andrew Bynum

Hawks:
Jeff Teague
Draft or FA
Draft or FA
Pau Gasol
Al Horford

Timberwolves:
Ricky Rubio
Joe Johnson
Derrick Williams
Kevin Love
Nickola Peklovik

Atlanta Decreases salary by taking on the Expiring contracts, Minn upgrades their SG a lot and Lakers get more athletic.

thephoenixson28
06-25-2012, 05:51 PM
If Atlanta wants to trade JJ, they must realize they won't get much back. Throwing in Smith would be the perk for a team taking them on.

The only Suns deal I could see as feasable is Gortat & 13th pick for Smith. If he wasn't expiring I'd agree the Suns should add more but he is.
I'd be OK with adding to this and take JJ back too but the Suns would need to make sure Nash is going to resign.

Agreed

j-bay
06-25-2012, 05:51 PM
So anybody agree that if the hawks start rebuilding the wizards will be the 2nd best team in the SE this season

broncosfan4eva
06-25-2012, 05:53 PM
So anybody agree that if the hawks start rebuilding the wizards will be the 2nd best team in the SE this season

if they get Beal possibly

Lakersfan2483
06-25-2012, 05:54 PM
Lakers trade Andrew Bynum, D. Ebanks and Steve Blake to Atlanta for AL Horford and Jeff Teague.

BSardogan
06-25-2012, 05:58 PM
I first of all just want to say, I'm not a lunatic and understand how crazy and unrealistic this trade is. It may be in fact the biggest pipedream ever, but for those who like to dream, what if:

Houston gets J-Smoove for Martin, Scola and their future Mavs pick, then somehow get Dwight by dealing Lowry, Dalembert, a prospect and all their picks, then lure Deron Williams to Houston with those two guys.

Big three of D-Will, J-Smoove and :superman:. Starting 5 of Williams, Lee, Parsons, Smoove and Dwight. Not 15, not 16, not 17, but 38 rings.

Punk
06-25-2012, 06:05 PM
good luck trading jj. what a contact.

If no Deron or Dwight, I could see Dallas taking him.

flatbush knicks
06-25-2012, 06:08 PM
Why don't they just amnesty JJ?
thats what i don't get either it would save them a shyt load of cap space

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 06:11 PM
Why don't they just amnesty JJ?

Because he could still play. Why amnesty him now, pay him, and let him play for another team while we lack scoring? Amnesty him later or trade him.

We still haven't heard we are "rebuilding" from Danny Ferry. Just rumors of a "fire sale". "Fire sale" rumors are just like "Hawks looking to trade Josh Smith, or Josh Smith unhappy and wants trade" for the past few years. I believe Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, and MAYBE Joe Johnson is the "fire sale". NO WAY Horford is getting traded, he is the type of player you trade for superstars (Howard for example), yet not equal to them. If not, you will get a downgrade trade and no reason for that. Horford can still be on a rebuilding team.

dee279
06-25-2012, 06:14 PM
People keep saying trade JJ and Josh Smith together. Not many teams can take on that kind of salary. Thats over 30 million for 2012-2013 season.

broncosfan4eva
06-25-2012, 06:21 PM
what do Atlanta Fans feel about the trade i posted above?

THE MTL
06-25-2012, 06:24 PM
I would only package Horford if the team is willing to take Joe Johnson. But seriously, I dont think they should fire sale. Sure there roster as constructed wont win any championships, but ppl forget the value of being a GOOD team and multiple playoff appearances.

If the Hawks fire sale, they'll be looking like the Detroit Pistons.

Structures
06-25-2012, 06:28 PM
what do Atlanta Fans feel about the trade i posted above?

In that trade the Hawks essentially get Pau Gasol for Smith/Johnson....

Not that great for them. A Bynum for Smoove/Marvin swap is fair IMO.

thephoenixson28
06-25-2012, 06:31 PM
People keep saying trade JJ and Josh Smith together. Not many teams can take on that kind of salary. Thats over 30 million for 2012-2013 season.

Phoenix can. They have 24 million in cap, not to mention the outgoing salary to make it work. Not sure if Atlanta would be interested in our pieces though.

akesh99
06-25-2012, 06:32 PM
I'll given you Watson, deng and noah for Johnson and Smith

Sounds like the best deal ATL is gonna get. I can't imagine any other team taking on his salary without prying Smith as well. If that were the case it would be hard to match salaries but this deal seems to work really well for both sides.

ATL stays competitive and gets to move Horford back to his natural position while CHI gets a huge boost to their scoring.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 06:33 PM
what do Atlanta Fans feel about the trade i posted above?

I take it "fire sale" would mean "rebuilding", so to go along with Horford would prob be draft picks, not Gasol.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 06:35 PM
Sounds like the best deal ATL is gonna get.

Not really. Trade Smith for a draft pick. We can amnesty Joe whenever, so we don't NEED to package him with Smith for the Bulls benefit.

jimm120
06-25-2012, 06:35 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

I think they'd give Smith to get rid of Johnson...

but the problem is that they aren't in the "take back more contracts" kind of state. Orlando? Maybe might take back big contracts. Atlanta? no.

Atlanta seems to want do a complete rebuild. Get draft picks for Horford and Smith (both VERY attractive pieces and good contracts) and dump Joe Johnson for expirings (which would be good for anyone wanting to take Joe's contract for practically crappy players...cause Joe's pretty good but not good enough for his contract).

StarvingKnick22
06-25-2012, 06:41 PM
lol

SB75
06-25-2012, 06:49 PM
Everyone on my Hawks roster should be available, including Horford!

Horford for Evans and Sac 1rst round pick.
Johnson for Min #18

Draft Drumond with the #5 pick.
Draft Jones III with the #18 pick.
Draft Wroten with the # 23 pick
Sign Kamen
Sign Gerald Green
Sign R. Sessions

Sessions/ Teague/ Wroten
Evans/ W. Green
Green/ McGrady
Smith/ Ivan
Kamen/ Zaza/ Drumond

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 06:51 PM
Everyone on my Hawks roster should be available, including Horford!

Horford for Evans and Sac 1rst round pick.
Johnson for Min #18

Draft Drumond with the #5 pick.
Draft Jones III with the #18 pick.
Draft Wroten with the # 23 pick
Sign Kamen
Sign Gerald Green
Sign R. Sessions

Sessions/ Teague/ Wroten
Evans/ W. Green
Green/ McGrady
Smith/ Ivan
Kamen/ Zaza/ Drumond

Yet you keep Smith. Smith is going too.

69centers
06-25-2012, 07:08 PM
Celtics should sign and trade Brandon Bass + the 21st pick for JSmoove

jimm120
06-25-2012, 07:13 PM
Everyone on my Hawks roster should be available, including Horford!

Horford for Evans and Sac 1rst round pick.
Johnson for Min #18

Draft Drumond with the #5 pick.
Draft Jones III with the #18 pick.
Draft Wroten with the # 23 pick
Sign Kamen
Sign Gerald Green
Sign R. Sessions

Sessions/ Teague/ Wroten
Evans/ W. Green
Green/ McGrady
Smith/ Ivan
Kamen/ Zaza/ Drumond

I think that's too much for HOrford. Though I do agree that he's worth something AND is locked down for 4 years (which is great considering he's an actually good player and center). He won't bring back Evans AND the #5 pick.

Joe Johnson will have to be a salary dump. If you think that Amare's contract is bad with this new NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, then Joe's is even worse (though its at least insured but still...). Its LONGER than Amare's and way more expensive. Joe will be a salary dump and the team that gets him will get him at "a discount" for crappy players (but the price tag on the contract is the zinger here). Its kinda like how Washington got itself 2 VERY USEFUL players for an expiring and a 2nd rounder. That's what Atlanta can hope for with Joe Johnson.

5ass
06-25-2012, 07:14 PM
Smith, joe, williams to orl
Ryno s&t to philly for 15th pick+ filler
Jj redick trade to minny for 18th pick+ filler
Atl get 15th, 18th, 19th, future 1st and expirings.

Kutchie03
06-25-2012, 07:17 PM
I'll given you Watson, deng and noah for Johnson and Smith

I feel like Boozer would have to be involved to make it work salary-wise

SB75
06-25-2012, 07:28 PM
Yet you keep Smith. Smith is going too.

LOL.... I kept Smith so you could see your error in putting him in every trade and wanting to keep Al.......... Also I said all my Hawks should be available!

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 07:36 PM
LOL.... I kept Smith so you could see your error in putting him in every trade and wanting to keep Al.......... Also I said all my Hawks should be available!

Because anybody can see you keep Horford and trade Smith, who is expiring and can jump ship off a rebuilding team next summer. Also 99.9% of Hawks fans will agree with me that Smith will be the first to go between the 2. Never got your dislike for Horford, very rare (almost just you in terms of Hawks fans on here and other Hawks forums), unless you just like Smith too much to try to go against the more liked/smarter player. Whatever, we will know what happens when it does. I like Smith, but I like winning more. You keep a player like Horford. Smith can take his 3 point shooting skills somewhere else.

JNoel
06-25-2012, 07:57 PM
Hawks,Kings

Hawks should trade Josh Smith to the Kings for the 5th pick and Jason Thompson

Kings have been desperate for a star, Hawks can get young talent in a deep draft

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:01 PM
Because anybody can see you keep Horford and trade Smith, who is expiring and can jump ship off a rebuilding team next summer. Also 99.9% of Hawks fans will agree with me that Smith will be the first to go between the 2. Never got your dislike for Horford, very rare (almost just you in terms of Hawks fans on here and other Hawks forums), unless you just like Smith too much to try to go against the more liked/smarter player. Whatever, we will know what happens when it does. I like Smith, but I like winning more. You keep a player like Horford. Smith can take his 3 point shooting skills somewhere else.

??????

So now I dislike Horford?
Or i like Smith to much?
You got all that from a post that said every Hawk should be available?


Wow really?

Think like management for a min. Horford is locked in for 4 years, which means he has a much larger pool of teams interested in him. Lottery teams! Snith is in the final year of his deal, so the pool of teams is now tem that think they are close to winning a championship and teams that think they can re-sign him. So you can get just as much for Smith at the trade deadline as you can get right now. It also serves the duel purpose of keeping the Hawks in the play-off race until the dead-line.

I'm not saying Smith won't be traded. But your rant was just un-called for. You can get more for Al right now because you have more teams interested in trade. You can ge just as much for Smith at the dead-line, that's just common sense my friend.

If we where able to get what i suggested above in the draft and then trade Smith at the dealine for another solid young piece at the dead-line, I would be happy with Mr. ferry.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 08:02 PM
Hawks,Kings

Hawks should trade Josh Smith to the Kings for the 5th pick and Jason Thompson

Kings have been desperate for a star, Hawks can get young talent in a deep draft

I strongly think a Smith for #5 could happen.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 08:06 PM
??????

So now I dislike Horford?
Or i like Smith to much?
You got all that from a post that said every Hawk should be available?


Wow really?

Think like management for a min. Horford is locked in for 4 years, which means he has a much larger pool of teams interested in him. Lottery teams! Snith is in the final year of his deal, so the pool of teams is now tem that think they are close to winning a championship and teams that think they can re-sign him. So you can get just as much for Smith at the trade deadline as you can get right now. It also serves the duel purpose of keeping the Hawks in the play-off race until the dead-line.

I'm not saying Smith won't be traded. But your rant was just un-called for. You can get more for Al right now because you have more teams interested in trade. You can ge just as much for Smith at the dead-line, that's just common sense my friend.

If we where able to get what i suggested above in the draft and then trade Smith at the dealine for another solid young piece at the dead-line, I would be happy with Mr. ferry.

You always answer back so defensive (it's obvious time and time again when a Hawks fan shows a favor towards Horford instead of Smith, you reply like you did). Anyways, thinking like management, I'm not going to expect Smith (someone who is in and out with his liking for management and this team in general btw) to re-sign with my team if I'm rebuilding. I also don't want him anywhere around my rebuilding team. So guess we do things different. I would keep Horford around, and I believe the "real" management will too. Could be wrong, but doubt it.

jmart0424
06-25-2012, 08:09 PM
as a nets fan i would have gave you the number 6 pick and anything not named deron williams or brook lopez or marshon brooks

but we have the worst gm in basketball thank you billy king

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:11 PM
You always answer back so defensive (it's obvious time and time again when a Hawks fan shows a favor towards Horford instead of Smith, you reply like you did). Anyways, thinking like management, I'm not going to expect Smith (someone who is in and out with his liking for management and this team in general btw) to re-sign with my team if I'm rebuilding. I also don't want him anywhere around my rebuilding team. So guess we do things different. I would keep Horford around, and I believe the "real" management will too. Could be wrong, but doubt it.

You are saying I'm defensive when you accused me of things I never said or thought.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 08:15 PM
You are saying I'm defensive when you accused me of things I never said or thought.

So you don't favor Smith over Horford? Could have fooled me with all the past posts, every trade idea you come up with involves a new team around Josh Smith, so I "assumed" you like Smith over Horford (which I accused you of). Sorry.

If you do, why? Just curious, since every fan on PSD wants Horford, every NBA analyst prefers Horford, and watching a Hawks game one makes me do a :facepalm: and his name isn't Horford.

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:26 PM
So you don't favor Smith over Horford? Could have fooled me with all the past posts, every trade idea you come up with involves a new team around Josh Smith, so I "assumed" you like Smith over Horford (which I accused you of). Sorry.

If you do, why? Just curious, since every fan on PSD wants Horford, every NBA analyst prefers Horford, and watching a Hawks game one makes me do a :facepalm: and his name isn't Horford.

That's not what you accussed me of. You said I didn't like Horford. I never said or typed that.:facepalm: Don't turn this into a pissing contest, you where just wrong for what you accussed me of, get over it and lets move on.

Uhmm not every fan wants Horford..... If so we wouldn't get so many trade proposals for Smith in our threads. Trying to say everyone agrees with you? Wrong again. Josh is not without his flaws. Neither is Al. But this isn't about who I prefer, just you accussing me of something I did not type!

Most people are defensive when blamed for things they didn't say do or type.




Originally Posted by *Silver&Black*
Because anybody can see you keep Horford and trade Smith, who is expiring and can jump ship off a rebuilding team next summer. Also 99.9% of Hawks fans will agree with me that Smith will be the first to go between the 2. Never got your dislike for Horford, very rare (almost just you in terms of Hawks fans on here and other Hawks forums), unless you just like Smith too much to try to go against the more liked/smarter player. Whatever, we will know what happens when it does. I like Smith, but I like winning more. You keep a player like Horford. Smith can take his 3 point shooting skills somewhere else.

And by more liked, you mean by fans?

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:30 PM
One more thing...... Even if I do prefer one ( and I'm not saying I don't), that does not mean you disslike the other........

So in your honest opinion you think Al is a better player than Smith today?

clyde3218
06-25-2012, 08:31 PM
According to that Hawks fan, I am asking too much with even this offer :o

Horford + Smith for Bynum + future 1st Rounder + Ebanks :pray::pray:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dllpx7 and Atlanta gets Houston's #14 or #16

marj987
06-25-2012, 08:36 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

How about no?

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 08:39 PM
Amare for JJ would be intresting. I dont want it to happen but there were rumors at one point

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:39 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dllpx7 and Atlanta gets Houston's #14 or #16

:confused::confused::confused: IDK......:confused::confused::confused:

Let me think about it for a min........

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 08:40 PM
One more thing...... Even if I do prefer one ( and I'm not saying I don't), that does not mean you disslike the other........

So in your honest opinion you think Al is a better player than Smith today?

yes because, as you said about flaws, the flaws on Smith far outweigh Horfords', because it deals with basic understanding of what you can't do, yet still do (IQ is bigger than any talent).

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:40 PM
Amare for JJ would be intresting. I dont want it to happen but there were rumors at one point

Woodson does love Joe Johnson!

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:41 PM
yes because, as you said about flaws, the flaws on Smith far outweigh Horfords', because it deals with basic understanding of what you can't do, yet still do (IQ is bigger than any talent).

IQ bigger than talent in basketball....:facepalm:

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:42 PM
yes because, as you said about flaws, the flaws on Smith far outweigh Horfords', because it deals with basic understanding of what you can't do, yet still do (IQ is bigger than any talent).

There can be a less talented player that is better because he has a high IQ...... But IQ is not bigger than talent. If so Marshal would be the #1 pick!

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 08:43 PM
Woodson does love Joe Johnson!

That is exactly why I think its possible. JJ has an extra year compared to Stat I think. could worth for both teams if smith is traded

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Dude at the end of the day.... You prefer Al.... I have no problem with that, it's your opinion. I think you may be over rating him a little, but that's my opinion. But don't accuse me of things i didn't type, it just makes for a long pissing contest.

You could have just said SB75 lets debate why you think Josh is the better player.

cyph34
06-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Amnesty Joe Johnson

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 08:46 PM
IMO AL>Smith

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 08:46 PM
IQ bigger than talent in basketball....:facepalm:

Having both would be nice (LeBron, Kobe), so no need for a facepalm.

Beasley is talented. JaVale is talented.

Duncan has a great understanding of basketball (what and what not to do/What he is capable of.).

See what I'm getting at?

Bravo95
06-25-2012, 08:47 PM
I like Josh and he's a talented player but I'm tired of the whining about individual accolades (not making all star games) and trade requests. We waited 8 years for him to reach his potential. At least Horford wants to be here, plus he's the more efficient player. Josh could definitely get even better once he gets away from home, like most people do -- but as long as he stays here, IMO he'll be the same guy around the same enablers. But yeah, we all dislike Joe.

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:47 PM
That is exactly why I think its possible. JJ has an extra year compared to Stat I think. could worth for both teams if smith is traded

Yes a Smith or Horford trade would be needed to make room for Stat, unless a 3rd team is added to the mix. .....

I wonder if Hou ( who has been rumored to be going after bigs the last year or so Howard/ Gasol/ Bynum) would have any interest in Stat?

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 08:49 PM
Yes a Smith or Horford trade would be needed to make room for Stat, unless a 3rd team is added to the mix. .....

I wonder if Hou ( who has been rumored to be going after bigs the last year or so Howard/ Gasol/ Bynum) would have any interest in Stat?

I think if houston failed on Pau,and howard that they might consider stat. Amare can still play but his contract kills everything

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:50 PM
Having both would be nice (LeBron, Kobe), so no need for a facepalm.

Beasley is talented. JaVale is talented.

Duncan has a great understanding of basketball (what and what not to do/What he is capable of.).

See what I'm getting at?

So it was okay when you did it and now I'm wrong for it?

Duncan also has great talent. Your basketball IQ can be out of this world and you may never make it off the bench, but if you have talent someone will always give you a shot. It is always nice to have a high level of both. But again I think you are over rating Al a little. I think his basket ball IQ is higher than Josh's, I just don't think it's at where you think it is. I think his talent isn't close to Josh's.

fresh prince
06-25-2012, 08:53 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

:laugh2: Cool story bro

SB75
06-25-2012, 08:54 PM
I think if houston failed on Pau,and howard that they might consider stat. Amare can still play but his contract kills everything

I would agree.... And I think the Hawks would be very interested if they could get the package that Hou is offering for Pau, in a 3 team trade with the Knicks. VERY INTERESTED!

dodie53
06-25-2012, 08:55 PM
no one will trade for JJ, hehe

xxplayerxx23
06-25-2012, 08:56 PM
I would agree.... And I think the Hawks would be very interested if they could get the package that Hou is offering for Pau, in a 3 team trade with the Knicks. VERY INTERESTED!

what was it lowry scola? Lol it would def be an intresting fit JJ with the knicks tho,

SB75
06-25-2012, 09:02 PM
Worked on ESPN trade machine

Atlanta gets:
Kyle Lowry...... Who has been rumored to have a lottery team interested in him, so he may never play for the Hawks.
Kevin Martin
Rockets #14 or 16 pick

Knicks get:
Joe Johnson

Rockets get:
Amare Stoudemire

SB75
06-25-2012, 09:04 PM
what was it lowry scola? Lol it would def be an intresting fit JJ with the knicks tho,

I heard Lowry, Martin and the picks. for the Hawks I think just one of the picks would be fine.

superwill
06-25-2012, 09:05 PM
So it was okay when you did it and now I'm wrong for it?

Duncan also has great talent. Your basketball IQ can be out of this world and you may never make it off the bench, but if you have talent someone will always give you a shot. It is always nice to have a high level of both. But again I think you are over rating Al a little. I think his basket ball IQ is higher than Josh's, I just don't think it's at where you think it is. I think his talent isn't close to Josh's.

mateen cleves had great IQ why did'nt he make it

Bravo95
06-25-2012, 09:05 PM
Worked on ESPN trade machine

Atlanta gets:
Kyle Lowry...... Who has been rumored to have a lottery team interested in him, so he may never play for the Hawks.
Kevin Martin
Rockets #14 or 16 pick

Knicks get:
Joe Johnson

Rockets get:
Amare Stoudemire
Then flip Teague + our pick for a higher pick.

Bravo95
06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
mateen cleves had great IQ why did'nt he make it
There are a lot of reasons players don't make it in the league, lack of talent being one. But neither Smith nor Horford are in jeopardy of that. Still, having a high bball IQ matters, the players have to know to make the right plays.

When a team's most inefficient offensive players are getting the majority of the possessions and shots, the offense will suffer... and the Hawks terrible offense (shot selection) has led to their downfall in every playoff series defeat. None of that really applies to Horford.

Atl Bill
06-25-2012, 09:17 PM
CLEARY NO ONE IS GETTING THE CLEAR PICTURE. THE HAWKS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A FIRE SALE. Our team doesn't suck, and with Horford healthy we would have for sure been in the 2nd and more than likely ECF. THE SOURCE IS TALKING OUT HIS *****. I can see the hawks trying to move Josh Smith for picks, but i don't see that happening until the middle of the season. Yeah realistically the Hawks don't have a great chance, but they are making a lot more money with this team on the floor then trading away the core. I would like to see JJ gone, but trust me the hawks are commited to this team and wouldn't surprise me if the only move they made was, trade marvin draft a replacement and with some of marvins money give it it to Josh Smith. Them blowing up this team would be dumb, If lebron or bosh or wade goes down next year in the season you can expect us with this current team to make a run, and trust me ownership is fully invested in this team.

SB75
06-25-2012, 09:18 PM
mateen cleves had great IQ why did'nt he make it

Tha's the point i'm making my friend...... There are failures on both sides. But I can name a lot of so called low IQ players with talent that made it. Than I can these high IQ guys that don't have much talent.

Bravo95
06-25-2012, 09:21 PM
I can see the hawks trying to move Josh Smith for picks, but i don't see that happening until the middle of the season.
And that would be a huge mistake. Ask Orlando fans how that's working with Dwight. If the owners are considering making significant roster changes, the time to do it is now. **** the waiting game and deadlines.

finyankhawkfan
06-25-2012, 09:26 PM
Why I the world would teagues name keep coming up? He's improved as he has gotten more playing the, and has shown flashes of taking over games. Above all, his contract should not be a big issue as he is a young guy with limited years. I just don't get it.

Passing smith off or Johnson can nderstand, and if the right deal came up, I may consider including a guy like Teague as a sweetener, but it would have to be a deal to improve that really impresses...

SB75
06-25-2012, 09:26 PM
Then flip Teague + our pick for a higher pick.

If that trade goes down the Hawks would have a lot of options. Including keeping the rest of the team together and signing Kamen.

Lowry/Teague/ Wroten
Martin/Wroten
Smith/Williams/Jones III
Horford/Ivan
Kamen/Zaza

SB75
06-25-2012, 09:29 PM
Why I the world would teagues name keep coming up? He's improved as he has gotten more playing the, and has shown flashes of taking over games. Above all, his contract should not be a big issue as he is a young guy with limited years. I just don't get it.

Passing smith off or Johnson can nderstand, and if the right deal came up, I may consider including a guy like Teague as a sweetener, but it would have to be a deal to improve that really impresses...

Teague's name comes up simply because he's not a pure pg. He'd be better served in a Jason Terry role. He has improved every year and is a good player, but if the Hawks don't make big changes, a pure pg and a legit center are what are needed. And IMHO.... Pure pg is the bigger need.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 09:29 PM
Tha's the point i'm making my friend...... There are failures on both sides. But I can name a lot of so called low IQ players with talent that made it. Than I can these high IQ guys that don't have much talent.

"Making it" and being one of the best players on the team trying to win a finals is 2 different things. Hawks are "making" the playoffs with Joe and Smith as the focus.

Punk
06-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Worked on ESPN trade machine

Atlanta gets:
Kyle Lowry...... Who has been rumored to have a lottery team interested in him, so he may never play for the Hawks.
Kevin Martin
Rockets #14 or 16 pick

Knicks get:
Joe Johnson

Rockets get:
Amare Stoudemire

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Teague's name comes up simply because he's not a pure pg. He'd be better served in a Jason Terry role. He has improved every year and is a good player, but if the Hawks don't make big changes, a pure pg and a legit center are what are needed. And IMHO.... Pure pg is the bigger need.

That we can agree on SB75. What do you think of drafting Scott Machado?

Bravo95
06-25-2012, 09:33 PM
Why I the world would teagues name keep coming up? He's improved as he has gotten more playing the, and has shown flashes of taking over games. Above all, his contract should not be a big issue as he is a young guy with limited years. I just don't get it.
I have always liked Teague, my point was only responding to SB75's trade idea. If you bring in Lowry, you can't just bury Teague on the bench again like Mike Woodson and Larry Drew did, so they might as well get something for him.

StarvingKnick22
06-25-2012, 09:33 PM
JSmoove for Amare

Bravo95
06-25-2012, 09:36 PM
I'd do it in a heartbeat.
OK so Knicks fans like it, Hawks fans like it... what about you Rockets fans? :laugh2:

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 09:38 PM
Am I the only Hawks fan that doesn't want Lowry/Sessions/etc? Lowry isn't a "pure" PG either, a good player, but not a PG that will get Smith/Horford involved. It will be the same team, only with another scoring option. I don't even want to talk about Sessions being our starter. Would rather have Teague still.

SB75
06-25-2012, 09:46 PM
"Making it" and being one of the best players on the team trying to win a finals is 2 different things. Hawks are "making" the playoffs with Joe and Smith as the focus.

So honestly.... with all the injury's that happened to Atlanta and joe being out for a while, do you think the Hawks are as good as they where with Al in and Smith out for the season?

To me and I've said this at least 100 times...... Al is like a slightly bigger Horas Grant. A very good player, good on the ball defender, very good mid range jumper, smart heady player. ...... But Grant was only the best player on his team when Penny got hurt the year Shaq left and that didn't go to well at all. It's just hard to build a team around that type of player. You want him on the team, but can you build one around his skill set?

Smith is a lot like A better defensive Shawn Kemp. Crazy hops, runs the floor like a guard, good off the ball defender, good post game that he needs to use more of, takes to many jumpers at times, makes questionable decissions at times. Biggest difference in how Josh is viewed and Kemp was is Gary Payton. Kemp played witha pure point who knew how to slow down his high energy star.

Sea and Clev built an offense around Kemps skill set. Much like the Hawks did when Joe went down. The Bulls nor the Magic tried to build an offense around Gran't skill set. Much like Al, that's hard to do. Can all be an efficient scorer? YES! Because he's going to score on that un-contested mid-range jumper. But can you build an offense around his skill set?

I don't think so. So trading Joe and Josh in the same off-season, would tell me the Hawks are looking ahead to the 2013 draft and a shot at Shabazz or Noel, if they are what the hype has built up.

Bravo95
06-25-2012, 09:47 PM
Am I the only Hawks fan that doesn't want Lowry/Sessions/etc? Lowry isn't a "pure" PG either, a good player, but not a PG that will get Smith/Horford involved. It will be the same team, only with another scoring option.
Depends on how good of a pick I can get from all these moves, but getting rid of Joe's deal would make it a win. Just have to find players who complement each others skillset.

Lowry
Brad Beal/Will Barton
Perry Jones/MKG
Smith
Horford

I'd have no problem with that.

SB75
06-25-2012, 09:50 PM
That we can agree on SB75. What do you think of drafting Scott Machado?

I've read the scouting reports on him when he was rumored as a 2nd round sleeper, so I thru his name out there. But I have not seen him play personally.

Ill21
06-25-2012, 09:54 PM
Johnson is going to be hard to move. Maybe amnesty him?

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 09:56 PM
So honestly.... with all the injury's that happened to Atlanta and joe being out for a while, do you think the Hawks are as good as they where with Al in and Smith out for the season?


Here is the thing, Horford nor Smith is a 1st option to me. I want to keep Horford, because I feel he is an important part to a winning (in terms of actually winning the Finals) basketball team. I never said he was this great 1st option player if given the chance. He can have a bigger place on the team, that much is a given. Trading Smith for Horford last season isn't my point of view on the situation. Trading Smith for a top pick to draft a hopeful stud to pair with a team player like Horford is my thinking.

Pairing, say for example, MKG or Drummond (hopeful future stars) with Horford sets up a winning basketball team. Pairing Drummond or MKG with Smith is having Smith be the guy and expect Drummond/MKG to catch up somehow (see Marvin's development behind Joe/Smith/Harrington).

My Horford vs Smith debate isn't who I want to lead this team, it's who I think can help grow a team into a winner. Horford has proven that twice in College. Smith has won a dunk contest, so that's cool.

Bravo95
06-25-2012, 09:57 PM
To me and I've said this at least 100 times...... Al is like a slightly bigger Horas Grant. A very good player, good on the ball defender, very good mid range jumper, smart heady player. ...... But Grant was only the best player on his team when Penny got hurt the year Shaq left and that didn't go to well at all. It's just hard to build a team around that type of player. You want him on the team, but can you build one around his skill set?

Smith is a lot like A better defensive Shawn Kemp. Crazy hops, runs the floor like a guard, good off the ball defender, good post game that he needs to use more of, takes to many jumpers at times, makes questionable decissions at times. Biggest difference in how Josh is viewed and Kemp was is Gary Payton. Kemp played witha pure point who knew how to slow down his high energy star.
Josh has never averaged 20ppg and while he occasionally puts up numbers, he is not a dominant scorer. IMO the perfect role for him is like Lamar Odom. A jack of all trades type who is maybe the 3rd option on a championship-caliber team. He needs at least one smarter, more efficient player to shoulder the scoring load ahead of him.

A team could never win a title with either Al or Josh as their best player. Difference is, Al doesn't need touches and he just goes out and plays hard all the time. Players like him are close to invaluable. He'll get you 18 and 10 and only talks about the team winning. Josh needs the bball in his hands or else he complains, you know that because he complained about it this year while leading the team in usage rate without Al in the picture.

NYkillaPriest
06-25-2012, 09:58 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

JJ makes just about as much as Amare...but with all the love i show Amare I wouldn't mind at all if he was moved in a deal with J Smoove only because we went to the same high school..no not Oak Hill..McEachern High School in Powder Springs GA look em up

SB75
06-25-2012, 09:58 PM
Johnson is going to be hard to move. Maybe amnesty him?

I hate that fans keep saying that. A single owner, who loves his team might do that. But a group of investors ( and that's what the ASG is) isn't going to give an All-star 89 mil to go home. Joe has some value, we are just going to have to take back a little flack to get rid of him. A bad contract in other words....... Just not as bad as Joe's.

*Silver&Black*
06-25-2012, 10:00 PM
I've read the scouting reports on him when he was rumored as a 2nd round sleeper, so I thru his name out there. But I have not seen him play personally.

It's funny seeing his strengths/weaknesses:

Strengths:
* Great passer
* Great floor vision
* Can get into lane with quick first step
* Much-improved 3-point shooter
* Good free-throw shooter
* Rebounds his position well

Weaknesses:
* Not ideal size
* Not an explosive athlete

SO, the only reasons he is not projected as the best player in this draft is because of where he played college ball, he is 2 inches smaller than D Rose, and he isn't fast. But he has vision and passing like John Stockton.:confused:

NYkillaPriest
06-25-2012, 10:11 PM
I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't...don't want no **** Joe Johnson he already is sub par imagine if he has to be a true #2 option he may only score 13-15 ppg and isn't a lock down defender

D-Will4Prez
06-25-2012, 10:26 PM
About time. They should have done this years ago.

ichitownclowni
06-25-2012, 10:28 PM
They should have never even resigned Joe Johnson :facepalm:

SB75
06-25-2012, 10:29 PM
It's funny seeing his strengths/weaknesses:

Strengths:
* Great passer
* Great floor vision
* Can get into lane with quick first step
* Much-improved 3-point shooter
* Good free-throw shooter
* Rebounds his position well

Weaknesses:
* Not ideal size
* Not an explosive athlete

SO, the only reasons he is not projected as the best player in this draft is because of where he played college ball, he is 2 inches smaller than D Rose, and he isn't fast. But he has vision and passing like John Stockton.:confused:

When they say not ideal size, they are talking about more than just his height. While I agree the scouting report did impress me, we also have to consider the level of competion and being that he's not a great athlete, will it transfer when he plays guys that are bigger and far superior in terms of atleticism.

SB75
06-25-2012, 10:31 PM
To be honest it would not surprise me if they traded almost everyone including Josh and AL. But it wouldn't surprise me either if he didn't make a big move at all and wanted to get a look at the team up close and personal first. I could see nothing big happening and then a flurry of trades at the dead-line.

ugafan
06-25-2012, 11:12 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89mzres

Horford, Smith and JJ and trade Deng, Boozer, RIp, Korver, Brewer while keeping Rose and Noah we would be hell of awesome.

PG Rose
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Noah

Stop please, you do this every time a potential trade comes up involving the Hawks. We don't want your ****ing trash so stop offering it. We're not taking on long-term contracts for our long-term contracts.

Ty Fast
06-25-2012, 11:17 PM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

i think the hawks would do that

NoahH
06-25-2012, 11:19 PM
I just bought a Josh Smith jersey so he better not get traded

MagicBucsSox
06-25-2012, 11:29 PM
I just bought a Josh Smith jersey so he better not get traded

I know the feeling. I had a Steve Francis and tmac authentic. 185$ a piece............traded for one another lmao

Appstate2012
06-25-2012, 11:29 PM
Never going to happen but Johnson/Smith for 2nd Pick, Tyrus Thomas, Maggette(expiring next year), and Maybe a future first rounder? Mj is looking for a star and both of them are bigger names. And i know more names would have to be involved ( Dj Augistine, Maybe Diop)

ugafan
06-25-2012, 11:33 PM
Never going to happen but Johnson/Smith for 2nd Pick, Tyrus Thomas, Maggette(expiring next year), and Maybe a future first rounder? Mj is looking for a star and both of them are bigger names. And i know more names would have to be involved ( Dj Augistine, Maybe Diop)

As a Hawks fan, I would do that if MJ included 2 future 1st round picks and it would get the Bobcats out of the cellar if only for a year or two.

Trueblue2
06-25-2012, 11:42 PM
If Atlanta wants to trade JJ, they must realize they won't get much back. Throwing in Smith would be the perk for a team taking them on.

The only Suns deal I could see as feasable is Gortat & 13th pick for Smith. If he wasn't expiring I'd agree the Suns should add more but he is.
I'd be OK with adding to this and take JJ back too but the Suns would need to make sure Nash is going to resign.

I think that might work if the suns take back jj, does phoenix have a large expiring that would make it work? And a deal like that would make Nash come back IMO.

NSJ
06-26-2012, 12:37 AM
4I'd love to see josh smith in a Cs uniform with him being great friends with rondo. They would be pretty ill together. Don't think we really have anything I'd want to offer though to get him here.

xxplayerxx23
06-26-2012, 12:48 AM
i think the hawks would do that

Wow sign me up.

*Silver&Black*
06-26-2012, 01:05 AM
Never going to happen but Johnson/Smith for 2nd Pick, Tyrus Thomas, Maggette(expiring next year), and Maybe a future first rounder? Mj is looking for a star and both of them are bigger names. And i know more names would have to be involved ( Dj Augistine, Maybe Diop)

#2 pick in the draft? I would do it.

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-26-2012, 01:13 AM
Pau Gasol + 60th pick in the draft + 2013 1st round pick for Josh Smith + Al Horford.

jmoney85
06-26-2012, 01:18 AM
Pau Gasol + 60th pick in the draft + 2013 1st round pick for Josh Smith + Al Horford.

you have got to be kidding me

IversonIsKrazy
06-26-2012, 01:19 AM
I would LOVE to see JJ on the Bulls, but honestly a trade won't happen with Chicago since they would trade one of (Noah, Boozer, or Deng), all of which have fat contract which would do nothing for Atlanta. But it is wishful thinking for Bulls fan to entertain the idea of a trade like; JJ/Smith for Deng/Boozer.

TrueFan420
06-26-2012, 01:19 AM
Pau Gasol + 60th pick in the draft + 2013 1st round pick for Josh Smith + Al Horford.

Not a chance in hell they take that

M.Bibby2.0
06-26-2012, 01:21 AM
Pau Gasol + 60th pick in the draft + 2013 1st round pick for Josh Smith + Al Horford.

Only the Lakers could even try to get away with that robbery. 60th and lakers future 1st are more or less worthless since they do well every year anyways.

I would love to see Tyreke + 5th + (sign and trade) Jason Thompson for Horford and smith.

:sigh: no chance of happening though

DR_1
06-26-2012, 01:23 AM
I know the feeling. I had a Steve Francis and tmac authentic. 185$ a piece............traded for one another lmao

:laugh2:

RenegadeRiot36
06-26-2012, 01:25 AM
Outside of these ridiculous suggestions, I still think the Cavs are one of the most realistic options here.

*Silver&Black*
06-26-2012, 01:48 AM
Outside of these ridiculous suggestions, I still think the Cavs are one of the most realistic options here.

#4 for Smith? We have a deal between us.

I also believe the 2 teams that would trade for Joe alone would be the Mavs (if they miss out on Deron) and crazy enough, the Nets (if they re-sign Deron but can't get Howard).

deepthoughts411
06-26-2012, 01:51 AM
The Knicks should trade Amare for Smith and Johnson.

There are a few things worse than JJ's contract and one of them is Amare's "uninsured" contract. No GM who wants their job is eating that thing!

deepthoughts411
06-26-2012, 01:54 AM
#4 for Smith? We have a deal between us.

Why do that? Granted Smith has talent but you are one of the cheaper teams capwise in the league and have a good young core... in this case draft best available that fit your offense...

deepthoughts411
06-26-2012, 02:05 AM
Johnson is going to be hard to move. Maybe amnesty him?

Ultimately that is what I think will be done but not for at least another year... and even then if you are going to have a young team you do need some veteran leadership around. Whether you amnesty or not the team is still going to pay it.

Losoway
06-26-2012, 02:06 AM
man josh smith to the brooklyn nets???

flatbush knicks
06-26-2012, 02:08 AM
if the knicks traded for j smith it would have to be chandler being moved and then we could put amare at the 5 spacing problems solved but chandler is a beast idk if i'd do it but if we're struggling at the deadline i'd pull the trigger on that deal

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-26-2012, 02:12 AM
How about Pau + Steve Blake + 60th pick in the draft for Josh Smith + Zaza Pachulia + Hawks' 2012 1st rounder.

ugafan
06-26-2012, 11:57 AM
How about Pau + Steve Blake + 60th pick in the draft for Josh Smith + Zaza Pachulia + Hawks' 2012 1st rounder.

No. Already been speculated a LOT that a Smith for Pau deal with the Lakers throwing in a future first rounder makes sense. Why would the Hawks take the deal you offered? Makes no sense.

Federal Reserve
06-26-2012, 12:19 PM
Oh, look, more Laker fans managed to pull off a lopsided trade on the ESPN trade machine. Pau Gasol for Josh Smith, Al Horford, Jeff Teague and 2 first round picks works on the trade machine thus is must be a good trade.

Atl Bill
06-26-2012, 12:28 PM
Josh smith will not b traded.

ugafan
06-26-2012, 12:33 PM
Josh smith will not b traded.

Says who? You?

aussie
06-26-2012, 01:58 PM
Wow, it's about time, I really hope this works out well for Atlanta and I'm sure tanking next season to get Shabazz Mohammed would be a wise move ;) They have been seating at the 4/5th seed for years and never seen them getting past the 1st round, but I think JSmoove and Horford will get them some nice pieces especially from Houston when Dwight isn't traded there, not sure what to do with JJ, probs just amnesty him if no one wants him :laugh:

koreancabbage
06-26-2012, 02:08 PM
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JordansBulls
06-26-2012, 03:41 PM
Stop please, you do this every time a potential trade comes up involving the Hawks. We don't want your ****ing trash so stop offering it. We're not taking on long-term contracts for our long-term contracts.

I thought you guys wanted to get rid of Joe Johnson's contract?

*Silver&Black*
06-26-2012, 04:29 PM
I thought you guys wanted to get rid of Joe Johnson's contract?

We can always amnesty him. He is still productive, so no reason to amnesty nor package him with Josh Smith to take on trash and the contracts that come with them.

greg_ory_2005
06-26-2012, 04:39 PM
I want the Raps to get Smoove. He's my fav player! :clap: