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Mile High Champ
06-25-2012, 02:30 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last four years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. The season is now over and the Heat have been crowned NBA champs which means its time to kick off the off-season player rankings.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron was labelled by some as Choke Artist in the clutch and now this year had one of the greatest finals performances in recent memory. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 4 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best


2012 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings

1) Chris Paul
2) Derrick Rose
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2011 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings

1) Chris Paul
2) Derrick Rose
3) Deron Williams
4) Russell Westbrook
5) Steve Nash
6) Rajon Rondo
7) Tony Parker
8) Jason Kidd
9) Chauncey Billups
10) Stephen Curry

2010 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Deron Williams
2) Chris Paul
3) Steve Nash
4) Rajon Rondo
5) Derrick Rose
6) Chauncey Billups
7) Russel Westbrook
8) Tony Parker
9) Jason Kidd
10) Tyreke Evans

2009 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Deron Williams
3) Chauncey Billups
4) Tony Parker
5) Steve Nash
6) Derrick Rose
7) Devin Harris
8) Rajon Rondo
9) Jose Calderon
10) Jason Kidd

2008 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Steve Nash
3) Deron Williams
4) Baron Davis
5) Tony Parker
6) Jason Kidd
7) Chauncey Billups
8) Gilbert Arenas
9) Jose Calderon
10) Andre Miller

Mile High Champ
06-25-2012, 02:34 AM
new poll is up.

b@llhog24
06-25-2012, 02:44 AM
Westy.

Glen20
06-25-2012, 02:44 AM
voted russell westbrook in the previous one but im going to vote parker here simply because i think he's a much better floor general that can also get his own.
More experienced and has less help.

Knicks21
06-25-2012, 03:09 AM
Westbrook here. Dude could be so much better he just doesnt realize how to maximize his full potential.

Lakersfan2483
06-25-2012, 03:13 AM
Rajon Rondo

PurpleJesus
06-25-2012, 04:06 AM
I cant believe I am the only vote for Steve Nash. If we are talking about the future, sure I go with Westbrook over Nash, but if we are talking about now, which the question implies, then I go with Nash. No doubt about it.

akia83
06-25-2012, 04:10 AM
Nash here for the 2nd time, and probably for the next couple of time :)

Antipod
06-25-2012, 04:38 AM
Rondo. The 2nd half of the season and the playoffs run were just amazing.

SugeKnight
06-25-2012, 04:51 AM
you can make a case for 5 different guys here

Steelers23_06
06-25-2012, 06:18 AM
Rondo. The 2nd half of the season and the playoffs run were just amazing.

x2

AndyfromNeptune
06-25-2012, 06:47 AM
I put Nash...the fact that the Suns team were even REMOTELY close to making the playoffs was such a credit to his ability as the point guard...

Remember this is based on ABILITY..not potential

AndyfromNeptune
06-25-2012, 06:52 AM
Also, shouldn't Jeremy Lin be on the pg list if Lowry is ?

Fly
06-25-2012, 07:05 AM
Deron.

AntiG
06-25-2012, 08:38 AM
it really should just be between Rondo and Deron here.

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 08:41 AM
I cant believe I am the only vote for Steve Nash. If we are talking about the future, sure I go with Westbrook over Nash, but if we are talking about now, which the question implies, then I go with Nash. No doubt about it.
I'm with you but we need to get Tony Parker off the board first.

Hustlenomics
06-25-2012, 09:56 AM
Rondo. Lead the league in assists and triple doubles and played better than any point guard this playoffs

LGhost
06-25-2012, 10:10 AM
voted russell westbrook in the previous one but im going to vote parker here simply because i think he's a much better floor general that can also get his own.
More experienced and has less help.

I voted Westbrook too last time but that was only because I didn't want Rose or the Bulls fans to get the satisfaction of number two but now I'm going to vote for who I actually believe should win.

WadeKobe
06-25-2012, 10:11 AM
If Rondo ever learns to stop turning the ball over so much, this would be him. However, seeing as how he still turns it over more than 20% of the time, and far more than any other option, I have to go with Deron Williams here.

Paul
Rose
Williams
Parker
Rondo
Westy

Sportfan
06-25-2012, 10:12 AM
I put Nash...the fact that the Suns team were even REMOTELY close to making the playoffs was such a credit to his ability as the point guard...

Remember this is based on ABILITY..not potential
and Nash can barely create his own shot and still plays poor defense.


Rondo has better court vision than him and has been a better scorer than him lately as well. Sure Nash can shoot, but what's the point if he barely pulls it up?

Sportfan
06-25-2012, 10:13 AM
If Rondo ever learns to stop turning the ball over so much, this would be him. However, seeing as how he still turns it over more than 20% of the time, and far more than any other option, I have to go with Deron Williams here.

Paul
Rose
Williams
Parker
Rondo
Westy
Except Deron turns it over more than anyone else in the league...

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 10:32 AM
****, clicked rondo but i meant westbrook

WadeKobe
06-25-2012, 10:45 AM
Except Deron turns it over more than anyone else in the league...

Pace.... pace.... pace.... pace....

Career TOV%:

Williams: 16.6%
Rondo: 20.2%

2012 TOV%:

Williams: 16.7%
Rondo: 22.8%

Rondo, while being an excellent PG and, imho, should be the 3rd best in the league, turns the ball over far too often.

Also, Williams is on a horrible team, while Rondo is on a very good team. One would think that would determine how often they have to force the ball.

DR_1
06-25-2012, 10:47 AM
Wow Parker is underrated.

GoPacers33
06-25-2012, 11:54 AM
Rondo

Cano4prez
06-25-2012, 11:55 AM
Rondo over Westbrook, D will, and Parker? LOL

SlimKid
06-25-2012, 12:08 PM
Either Westy or Parker.. I'm taking Parker...again

Jetsguy
06-25-2012, 12:24 PM
I went Westy over Rondo

macc
06-25-2012, 12:36 PM
You can't go wrong with Westbrook, Nash or Deron. I'm picking Nash, though it's a close call. Deron is the present and Westbrook is the future but when you're talking about the PG position, noone plays it better then Nash and Paul.

macc
06-25-2012, 12:38 PM
you can make a case for 5 different guys here



That's how I see it, it just depends on what you want out of a PG, whether it be mainly scoring (westy), assisting (Nash,Rondo) , great floor general, great all around guy (Rondo, Williams).

THE MTL
06-25-2012, 12:41 PM
Since the man who should win clearly isnt going to (Deron Williams). Imma pick Westbrook. Just because he doesnt pass as well doesnt mean he cant play the PG. Westbrook can HANDLE the PG position.

PS- Deron Williams is OVERALL better than any PG not named Rose or Paul

b@llhog24
06-25-2012, 01:35 PM
Since the man who should win clearly isnt going to (Deron Williams). Imma pick Westbrook. Just because he doesnt pass as well doesnt mean he cant play the PG. Westbrook can HANDLE the PG position.

PS- Deron Williams is OVERALL better than any PG not named Rose or Paul

He hasn't been for about two seasons.

Avenged
06-25-2012, 01:56 PM
Tony Parker is underrated.

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 01:58 PM
tony parker is top 5 but not top 3

Vincent33
06-25-2012, 02:04 PM
Toss up between Westbrook, Rondo, Williams, and Parker as those are the next 4 IMO...I'll go with Westbrook at #3.

SteBO
06-25-2012, 02:06 PM
Tony Parker is underrated.
Talk about absurd....6 votes? Really?

SlimKid
06-25-2012, 02:12 PM
Parker continues to go unnoticed... sad

celtNYpatsHeels
06-25-2012, 02:25 PM
Came down to Parker and Westbrook here for me, but I went Westbrook in the end

unleashthebeast
06-25-2012, 02:26 PM
Next 3 should be deron westy and parker in some order

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 02:30 PM
Talk about absurd....6 votes? Really?

You think parker is better than rose, westbrook, cp3 and dwill?

tredigs
06-25-2012, 02:31 PM
Again, really tough between Tony and Westbrook for me here. Tie-breaker goes to Westbrook; OKC beat San Antonio.

Rondo? No, can't. Put it together for a whole season and show true leadership and he can get in the top 3 talk. But he's still one of the best big game performers. No denying that.

Deron Williams? This isn't Utah. If he can get that fg% up to at least 43% we can get him back in the top 2-3 convo.

Nash was still arguably better than both, but overall a bit shy of TP and Westbrook. Pity he had no teammates.

Avenged
06-25-2012, 02:35 PM
You think parker is better than rose, westbrook, cp3 and dwill?

Chris Paul, no.

Westbrook and Rose? Yes, it's arguable going with this past season Parker has a big case for himself. We're not taking past accomplishments into this, it's what they did this season, and Parker was fantastic.

Deron, ehh, he needs to get out of the Nets.. He hasn't had as strong seasons as he did with Utah.

Hawkeye15
06-25-2012, 02:42 PM
Westbrook

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 02:46 PM
Chris Paul, no.

Westbrook and Rose? Yes, it's arguable going with this past season Parker has a big case for himself. We're not taking past accomplishments into this, it's what they did this season, and Parker was fantastic.

Deron, ehh, he needs to get out of the Nets.. He hasn't had as strong seasons as he did with Utah.

If we were taking past accomplishments into this, TPs case gets even stronger. I've said it a few times this season i'm not convinced TP played at a significantly higher level than he has in previous years. He's always underrated.

Kashmir13579
06-25-2012, 02:48 PM
You think parker is better than rose, westbrook, cp3 and dwill?
Not Chris Paul but i think he's more valuable than the others you listed. I'm not giving Rose any benefit of the doubt, because RIGHT NOW he isn't the player we think of when we think Derrick Rose.

King41
06-25-2012, 02:52 PM
rondo or deron
westbrook is overrated

Chavacano
06-25-2012, 02:58 PM
Russell Westbrook. :nod:

ichitownclowni
06-25-2012, 03:05 PM
Wow sad. It should be Rondo

StarvingKnick22
06-25-2012, 03:12 PM
Rondo shoud be second anyways soooo

SteBO
06-25-2012, 03:12 PM
You think parker is better than rose, westbrook, cp3 and dwill?
I think he's a bit better than Westbrook as a player and as a PG. Rose is iffy to me, but whether fans like it or not, injury does play a factor. Deron has regressed since getting traded to the Nets, and hasn't been the same player since he was with Utah. Tredigs said it perfectly, shoot better 43% from the field before we start talking about him being top 3 in the PG department. Rondo had a fantastic 2nd half of the season, but was not consistent in the 1st half at all.....

Parker was consistent all year long including the playoffs......at least that's what my eye test tells me.

IversonIsKrazy
06-25-2012, 03:18 PM
D-Will. Ppl just forgetting him because he is on a crap team. But he is the clear 3rd spot to me.

ManRam
06-25-2012, 03:20 PM
Westbrook
Parker
Williams



are my next three. I'd have no real problem with anyone ordering them in any way. Deron has long been considered better than the other two, and perhaps we shouldn't knock him just because he played on a bad team. But he really wasn't as great last year, at all.

Sportfan
06-25-2012, 03:26 PM
Why do people hate on Rondo again?

b@llhog24
06-25-2012, 03:26 PM
Westbrook is winning this poll. :clap:
But TP on 6 votes? :pity:

DR_1
06-25-2012, 03:31 PM
Parker is better than every PG left

IAmARanger18
06-25-2012, 05:05 PM
Westbrook.

Chronz
06-25-2012, 05:31 PM
Why do people hate on Rondo again?

What makes you think they are hating?

Chronz
06-25-2012, 05:32 PM
Westbrook is winning this poll. :clap:
But TP on 6 votes? :pity:

I have a feeling most WB supporters will go TP next round.

Bruno
06-25-2012, 05:49 PM
Rondo. he's the best point-guard left on the list. he's the best playmaker, and the best defender left at his position.

this one could go to three guys, based off last season- a tough one.

Baller1
06-25-2012, 06:56 PM
The only votes here should be between Westy and Parker.

Baller1
06-25-2012, 06:58 PM
I think he's a bit better than Westbrook as a player and as a PG. Rose is iffy to me, but whether fans like it or not, injury does play a factor. Deron has regressed since getting traded to the Nets, and hasn't been the same player since he was with Utah. Tredigs said it perfectly, shoot better 43% from the field before we start talking about him being top 3 in the PG department. Rondo had a fantastic 2nd half of the season, but was not consistent in the 1st half at all.....

Parker was consistent all year long including the playoffs......at least that's what my eye test tells me.

Whoa, I'll give you that Parker is a better PG than Westy, but no way is Parker the better basketball player.

ManningToTyree
06-25-2012, 07:07 PM
Russy, Rondo on deck.

SteBO
06-25-2012, 07:13 PM
Whoa, I'll give you that Parker is a better PG than Westy, but no way is Parker the better basketball player.
Looking back, I kinda agree. I'm just flabbergasted at Parker only having 8 votes. I mean, is he that underrated?

Cano4prez
06-25-2012, 07:19 PM
Looking back, I kinda agree. I'm just flabbergasted at Parker only having 8 votes. I mean, is he that underrated?

No, I think most of the Westbrook voters will vote for Parker after this anyways. I know I will

CavsYanksDuke
06-25-2012, 07:24 PM
Anyone picking Nash over Rondo needs a punch to the back of the head.

Rivera
06-25-2012, 07:26 PM
Looking back, I kinda agree. I'm just flabbergasted at Parker only having 8 votes. I mean, is he that underrated?

No most of the WB votes will go to parker next vote

greg_ory_2005
06-25-2012, 07:29 PM
I'm taking Westbrook.

Catfish1314
06-25-2012, 07:34 PM
Also, shouldn't Jeremy Lin be on the pg list if Lowry is ?

Why? Lowry is better at everything.


He hasn't been for about two seasons.

To be fair, he's in by far the worst situation of any upper tier point guard on this list and forced to play in a manner he's not suited for. His decline in efficiency the last couple of years has been surprising, but Kris Humphries is their second best player. Kris Humphries.

I'm going Parker again. Outplayed Westbrook in the postseason and more consistent as a scorer and floor general.

God nine votes for Parker is nothing short of a travesty.

Sportfan
06-25-2012, 07:42 PM
What makes you think they are hating?
showing him no respect by ranking him out the the top 5

Bruno
06-25-2012, 07:43 PM
The only votes here should be between Westy and Parker.

no, rondos in the debate. he had just as good a post season as westbrook or parker, statistically. he's also a better defender than either player.

Bruno
06-25-2012, 07:50 PM
Why? Lowry is better at everything.



To be fair, he's in by far the worst situation of any upper tier point guard on this list and forced to play in a manner he's not suited for. His decline in efficiency the last couple of years has been surprising, but Kris Humphries is their second best player. Kris Humphries.

I'm going Parker again. Outplayed Westbrook in the postseason and more consistent as a scorer and floor general.

God nine votes for Parker is nothing short of a travesty.

I agree. All the Williams votes should be Parker votes. Williams is getting votes off reputation, and assumed future production. he wasn't great last year on an individual level, regardless of how bad his team was.

Glen20
06-25-2012, 07:55 PM
Looking back, I kinda agree. I'm just flabbergasted at Parker only having 8 votes. I mean, is he that underrated?

maybe they forgot how good he was throughout the playoffs before his team got eliminated.
He certainly wasn't the reason they lost.
He was just amazing really.

Sportfan
06-25-2012, 08:02 PM
no, rondos in the debate. he had just as good a post season as westbrook or parker, statistically. he's also a better defender than either player.
Rondo's postseason beats out both. its the regular season advantages that make it close between them.

Green_Monster
06-25-2012, 08:03 PM
Deron Williams. Homerism got in the way here for most people.

Bruno
06-25-2012, 08:03 PM
I want to point out that Westbrook had a negative offensive rating+defensive rating in the playoffs (for the second year in a row). For two straight post seasons, his team puts up more points than they score when he's on the floor. What does that even mean? coming from a team that has made it to at least the WCFs in both years.

Sportfan
06-25-2012, 08:07 PM
I want to point out that Westbrook had a negative offensive rating+defensive rating in the playoffs (for the second year in a row). For two straight post seasons, his team puts up more points than they score when he's on the floor. What does that even mean? coming from a team that has made it to at least the WCFs in both years.
The Thunder scored more per possession with Fisher in than they did with Westbrook


lulz.

Yankeefan213
06-25-2012, 08:17 PM
I went Rondo, but if Westbrook wins I wouldn't mind.

Chronz
06-25-2012, 08:50 PM
I want to point out that Westbrook had a negative offensive rating+defensive rating in the playoffs (for the second year in a row). For two straight post seasons, his team puts up more points than they score when he's on the floor. What does that even mean? coming from a team that has made it to at least the WCFs in both years.

Link? Im not seeing those numbers at all

Chronz
06-25-2012, 08:54 PM
no, rondos in the debate. he had just as good a post season as westbrook or parker, statistically. he's also a better defender than either player.

Regular season still counts and Westbrook was better in both, if even by a hair in the post season. Also, because Rondo was making his jumpshots, his stretch seems more fluky to me.

Bruno
06-25-2012, 08:56 PM
Link? Im not seeing those numbers at all
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html

Playoffs 2011:
Ortg: 103
Drtg: 109

Playoffs 2012:
Ortg: 108
Drtg: 109

Bruno
06-25-2012, 08:58 PM
Regular season still counts and Westbrook was better in both, if even by a hair in the post season. Also, because Rondo was making his jumpshots, his stretch seems more fluky to me.

regular season does count. although if I were all about regular season over post season i'd take Parker, who was 5th in mvp voting.

i'm cool with people selecting westbrook or parker here. it's fair. I just don't want to be told that rondos not in the discussion.

UPRock
06-25-2012, 09:16 PM
Rondo.

Chronz
06-25-2012, 09:24 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html

Playoffs 2011:
Ortg: 103
Drtg: 109

Playoffs 2012:
Ortg: 108
Drtg: 109

For a second there I thought you were talking about +/-. If you look at TP his trend gos back 4 years now and occurred 9 times out of 11. I wouldnt be too concerned with DRTG. Westbrook was on the 5th worst defensive team by playoff stats so his rating is going to suffer, Im sure playing against all the best offenses in the playoffs doesnt help he also doesnt have KG behind him to pump that stat up.

Offensive RTG is more about the individuals doing, and he dusts Rondo there.

Bruno
06-25-2012, 10:00 PM
For a second there I thought you were talking about +/-. If you look at TP his trend gos back 4 years now and occurred 9 times out of 11. I wouldnt be too concerned with DRTG.
i should have been more clear. that's interesting.


Westbrook was on the 5th worst defensive team by playoff stats so his rating is going to suffer, Im sure playing against all the best offenses in the playoffs doesnt help
that's what I was thinking too, but then wouldn't we expect similar results from Durant and Harden? they're a part of the same defense. If Westbrook had the same defensive rating as KD and Harden, he wouldn't be in the negative. They don't blow him away on the defensive rating like they do on the offensive rating.

Durant 2012:
Ortg: 119
Drtg: 107

Harden 2012:
Ortg: 118
Drtg: 107

Westbrook 2012:
Ortg: 108
Drtg: 109.

Rondo 2012:
Ortg: 105
Drtg: 99

Westbrook has slightly worse defensive numbers, despite sharing the same defense as the other two guys.


he also doesnt have KG behind him to pump that stat up.

Perkins, Ibaka? they gotta carry the same defensive clout as KG at this point.


Offensive RTG is more about the individuals doing, and he dusts Rondo there.

only three points. 1/3rd more than the defensive difference between westbrook and kd/harden (edit: defensivley).

Baller1
06-25-2012, 10:47 PM
Looking back, I kinda agree. I'm just flabbergasted at Parker only having 8 votes. I mean, is he that underrated?

Yeah he's definitely more underrated than he should be.

b@llhog24
06-25-2012, 10:50 PM
To be fair, he's in by far the worst situation of any upper tier point guard on this list and forced to play in a manner he's not suited for. His decline in efficiency the last couple of years has been surprising, but Kris Humphries is their second best player. Kris Humphries.

I'm going Parker again. Outplayed Westbrook in the postseason and more consistent as a scorer and floor general.

God nine votes for Parker is nothing short of a travesty.

Oh I agree he has pure **** for a supporting cast but he doesn't stack up next to Westbrook currently in terms of production. Which is why he's ranked lower than him.

Imo if you switched Westbrook for Deron, both teams would benefit as Durant would have a player who could consistently set him up while creating even more spacing with his superior shooting while Westy's shot creating ability would be more valuable of a scrap team like the Nets.

Sadds The Gr8
06-25-2012, 11:46 PM
Talent wise I think Deron is 2nd but his value has taken a hit because of his bad team. I voted Westbrook here

Raph12
06-26-2012, 01:52 AM
Although DRose and WB aren't great floor generals or the greatest at getting their teammates involved; they're the 2nd and 3rd best players at that position.

Vinny642
06-26-2012, 01:56 AM
I picked Deron here, im surprised CP over Rose though, i guess it was the injury.

b@llhog24
06-26-2012, 02:29 AM
I picked Deron here, im surprised CP over Rose though, i guess it was the injury.

No he was just better.

Im_in_Mia_bish
06-26-2012, 03:00 AM
hey am i too late to vote

Chronz
06-26-2012, 04:13 AM
that's what I was thinking too, but then wouldn't we expect similar results from Durant and Harden?

Not unless they were all averaging the same amount of boxscore stats.


they're a part of the same defense.
Yea, the same crummy defense.
They accumulate more defensive stats, thats basically what its telling you. That could mean they are better defenders but its far from definitive, nor does it change the outlook in a comparison vs other PG's.


If Westbrook had the same defensive rating as KD and Harden, he wouldn't be in the negative.
Dont really see the relevance in a comparison vs Rondo/TP


They don't blow him away on the defensive rating like they do on the offensive rating.

Off topic but Durant is the superior player so its not surprising, Harden doesnt carry the same offensive burden, still with his kind of efficiency its pretty obvious he could shoulder more of the load.



Westbrook 2012:
Ortg: 108
Drtg: 109.

Rondo 2012:
Ortg: 105
Drtg: 99
Westbrook has slightly worse defensive numbers, despite sharing the same defense as the other two guys.
Again, Im not seeing the relevance in a comparison vs Rondo. Rondo isnt sharing the court with a group of players whos collective defensive efficiency wasnt as strong as his crews, nor did Rondo's team have to face the collective offensive powers that OKC did. I have no doubt that Boston is a better defensive team with or without Rondo, either way he would benefit from their presence alot more than WB does from his situation.

Rondo is prolly a better defender, but Im not convinced the disparity is as great as D-RTG makes it seem.

And as overall players, I would be more worried about the disparity in their ORTG because it focuses on the individuals contributions from an area of the game that we know is easier to quantify. With Defensive RTG, we dont know how much of that should be accredited to Rondo.

Think of Defensive RTG as a stat that shows you a players rate of Stl/Blks/Rebounds+TeamD. Offensive RTG however, is the best barometer we have for individual efficiency. That WB has a higher O-RTG AND a higher USG% means hes more productive offensively. Rondo closes the gap because hes such a great all-around player. But lets be honest here, Rondo only played at a Westbrook like level for these playoffs and like half of the regular season. Westbrook sustained this level of play all year, deeper into the post season.






Perkins, Ibaka? they gotta carry the same defensive clout as KG at this point.
I dont understand your position, on 1 hand your using Defensive RTG to prop up Rondo but in this estimation your totally ignoring it? Thats rather convenient, DEF RTG doesnt agree here. And in this case Im more inclined to agree with its disparity because we have other defensive stats that concur.

Without KG the Celtics defense gos to ****, the dropoff isnt as profound without Ibaka/Perkins. And neither seem to suppress LeBron James stats when they are on the court. To me thats somewhat of an "anchor test". Ibaka led the league in blocks and while OKC did defend well at the rim, they allowed the 2nd most attempts from inside the paint. It wasnt surprising that Bron lived in there all series. So Ibaka gets alot of chances to block shots, either the guards suck at preventing dribble penetration, or the bigs are not that good at clogging the middle, rather opting to get in position to block shots and get out in transition. From what Ive seen thats what Ibaka does, hes doesnt provide the same amount of help on the perimeter and OKC is more of an offensively oriented team. Its why Ibaka is an overrated defender who stole KG's spot.





only three points. 1/3rd more than the defensive difference between westbrook and kd/harden (edit: defensivley).
Offensive RTG is an efficiency stat, it doesnt take into account usage. Thats why a guy like Tyson Chandler can lead the league, he only takes high% shots. Westbrook being more efficient and prolific than Rondo increases that gap. Its your opinion that Rondo makes it up on the defensive end, but you will have a hard time proving it with just D-RTG, I dont think the defensive difference is that profound.


I have Rondo next, TP hasnt been a dominant playoff performer in 3 years, he has made a career out of tailing off in the postseason. Hes been good enough to still rank in the top4, but Rondo and Westbrook deserve the benefit here because they seem to be on the up whereas TP has had his chance.

NBA-GMaster
06-26-2012, 08:18 AM
Going for Westbrook @3rd then Rondo @4th
5. Dwill
6. Parker
7. Lowry
8. Nash
9. Curry
10. Holiday

Swashcuff
06-26-2012, 10:27 AM
Good to see Westy going here as he should. Up next Rondo vs TP.

29$JerZ
06-26-2012, 11:18 AM
I'd vote Westbrook.

Rondo/TP will be more interesting next round.0