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StarvingKnick22
06-24-2012, 01:20 PM
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Commish to appeal ruling on Lin, Novak




Berman on Twitter

By MARC BERMAN

Last Updated: 5:50 AM, June 24, 2012

Posted: 12:42 AM, June 24, 2012



Apparently, NBA commissioner David Stern wants to be a candidate for most hated man in New York.

According to a league official, Sternís plan to appeal the unionís victory in the Jeremy Lin/Steve Novak Bird rights war may carry over into the July 1 start of free agency. That would delay the Knicksí ability to negotiate for any free agent and create a public-relations nightmare for Stern, whose office is in midtown.

Tomorrow, both sides will start talks concerning setting up an appeal panel in Sternís attempt to overturn arbitrator Kenneth Damís decision. One possible resolution is having the appeal process occur but still allowing Novak and Lin to have their Bird rights this summer.



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DAVID THE GOLIATH: NBA commissioner David Stern plans to appeal the decision to award Bird rights to Knicks free agents Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak.



Stern decides to appeal the ruling that allows FA Jeremy lin, Steve novak, to resign with Knicks.
"Apparently, NBA commissioner David Stern wants to be a candidate for most hated man in New York. According to a league official, Stern's plan to appeal the union's victory in the Jeremy Lin/Steve Novak Bird rights war may carry over into the July 1 start of free agency. That would delay the Knicks' ability to negotiate for any free agent and create a public-relations nightmare for Stern, whose office is in midtown. Tomorrow, both sides will start talks concerning setting up an appeal panel in Stern's attempt to overturn arbitrator Kenneth Dam's decision. One possible resolution is having the appeal process occur but still allowing Novak and Lin to have their Bird rights this summer."
Without Bird rights for Novak, the Knicks have no means of re-signing the 3-point ace. Without Bird rights for Lin, the Knicks would have to use their $5 million mid-level exception, leaving little means to sign another free agent beyond the veteranís minimum.

If the union victory stands up, the Knicks will have either a $5 million or $3 million exception to use on a free agent. Union attorney Ron Klempner said he expects the two players to have Bird rights July 1.

marc.berman@nypost.com


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:( its just not ****ing fair for someone to just do that. and if you feel the need to bash and bait the knicks on this, just, just dont.

NYG 2000
06-24-2012, 01:27 PM
Haha, i guess haters gotta hate to come on stern, let the knicks keep the bird rights, and this is the first time they have been competitive in over a decade

shep33
06-24-2012, 01:30 PM
Veto!!

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-24-2012, 01:30 PM
vetoed.

LMFAO:laugh:

Reversed86Curse
06-24-2012, 01:34 PM
well that sucks

TheJesus
06-24-2012, 01:37 PM
Good move Stern. The new CBA is clear. I have no idea how the Knicks won in the first place.

justinnum1
06-24-2012, 01:39 PM
Lmao. Knicks have to wait in fa while this is in litigation.

HeaTxRipZz
06-24-2012, 01:41 PM
Good move Stern. The new CBA is clear. I have no idea how the Knicks won in the first place.

It won't be reversed because no laws were broken when the ruling was made but it will waste alot of FA time for Knicks

TheJesus
06-24-2012, 01:44 PM
It won't be reversed because no laws were broken when the ruling was made but it will waste alot of FA time for Knicks

An appeal seeks to reverse a ruling. It doesn't matter whether or not laws were broken.

If Person X says the knicks win, and the appeal hearing rules the knicks lose, the Knicks lose.

StarvingKnick22
06-24-2012, 01:44 PM
Hey idiots, all of you, this means that Chauncey billups, and all other formerly waived players cant sign with you team. so you guys can suck on that

justinnum1
06-24-2012, 01:45 PM
Hey idiots, alof you, this means that Chauncey billups, and all other formerly waived players cant sign with you team. so you guys can suck on that
It also means ny can't spend any money in fa before this is resolved.

jericho
06-24-2012, 01:45 PM
what i dont get is that if blank team picks up blank player of waivers they pick up there contract whatever that contract was so why would they lose the bird rights if it was in there contracts

SteBO
06-24-2012, 01:45 PM
Poor Knicks......I don't think anything happens in all honesty though. It isn't any rules were broken.

jericho
06-24-2012, 01:48 PM
i think i hate stern more than i hate the heat >:(

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-24-2012, 01:48 PM
CBA states that waived players do not get Bird rights.

Idk how the knicks even won in the first place

jericho
06-24-2012, 01:48 PM
double post my bad

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-24-2012, 01:48 PM
.

MTL_123
06-24-2012, 01:54 PM
ahahhahahhahhahahhahahhahhahahhahahhaha

knicksfan42
06-24-2012, 01:58 PM
Nothing sucks, Stern is going to lose its that simple. Expect the Knicks to have Lin and Novak's bird rights July 1st.

jericho
06-24-2012, 02:00 PM
CBA states that waived players do not get Bird rights.

Idk how the knicks even won in the first place

but why would they lose the bird rights they are not breaking there contracts they are picking them up so the contract should be the same that would be a violation of the contract that they signed in the first place

anyways we are screwed we gonna have to wait till this is finished if we win our main targets might be gone by then if we lose well we screwed anyways :(

jrm2054
06-24-2012, 02:01 PM
Stern just likes being in the headlines I think

thekmp211
06-24-2012, 02:02 PM
interesting.

it's also an appeal guys, nothing is set in stone either way. it seemed like the right move at the time, frankly, given the unclear nature of the new CBA and the unique situation that was Linsanity. don't really care if a couple other teams benefit from it, none of the names involved are game changers on the court.

LongIslandIcedZ
06-24-2012, 02:04 PM
Lmao. Knicks have to wait in fa while this is in litigation.

This is the big problem. I knew they were going to win the case, but this will really affect their timetable to look for free agents.

TheJesus
06-24-2012, 02:06 PM
This is black and white. The CBA says it's not allowed. The Knicks should not have won.

heyman321
06-24-2012, 02:14 PM
Knicks fan: OMG RIGGED.

jericho
06-24-2012, 02:15 PM
This is black and white. The CBA says it's not allowed. The Knicks should not have won.

its also black and white in the contract that the players signed 2 and that contract was signed b4 the new cba so they should be allowed to retain the bird rights they would have to state that on the contracts that they give to the players 2 or else they are contradicting themselfs

again we are picking up contracts not altering there contracts

javsvt
06-24-2012, 02:15 PM
By the time this appeal goes through, it'll be passed the July deadline, and the Knicks will have their players. So basically it would be for future players.

thekmp211
06-24-2012, 02:16 PM
By the time this appeal goes through, it'll be passed the July deadline, and the Knicks will have their players. So basically it would be for future players.

probably this

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-24-2012, 02:18 PM
its also black and white in the contract that the players signed 2 and that contract was signed b4 the new cba so they should be allowed to retain the bird rights they would have to state that on the contracts that they give to the players 2 or else they are contradicting themselfs

again we are picking up contracts not altering there contracts

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

knicks4life33
06-24-2012, 02:19 PM
he mad

arkanian215
06-24-2012, 02:22 PM
0a

Kashmir13579
06-24-2012, 02:25 PM
An appeal seeks to reverse a ruling. It doesn't matter whether or not laws were broken.

If Person X says the knicks win, and the appeal hearing rules the knicks lose, the Knicks lose.

How about you admit you've never taken a law class in your life? An appellate court doesn't look at the actually ruling, it looks at the steps leading up to the ruling to make sure nothing was mishandled.

LongIslandIcedZ
06-24-2012, 02:26 PM
I'm surprised that so many fans of other teams dont want the Knicks to win this. I'm sure they would be singing a different tune if they were trying to lock up waived players. Maybe its just me, but I'm not surprised they initially won the case. They challenged the spirit of the rule, the contract wasnt broken so I dont see why waived players bid rights arent retained.

oak2455
06-24-2012, 02:27 PM
I say we egg sterns house

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Let the vetoing begin mutha****ers!!! :dance:

**** the POLICE! :guns:

oak2455
06-24-2012, 02:29 PM
How about you admit you've never taken a law class in your life? An appellate court doesn't look at the actually ruling, it looks at the steps leading up to the ruling to make sure nothing was mishandled.

Kash why even bother.... He's just trolling

Kashmir13579
06-24-2012, 02:29 PM
This could end up messy... FA is just around the corner and there is no way this gets done by then.

TheJesus
06-24-2012, 02:30 PM
How about you admit you've never taken a law class in your life? An appellate court doesn't look at the actually ruling, it looks at the steps leading up to the ruling to make sure nothing was mishandled.

If we're talking about an actual legal matter, an appellate courts, especially our Supreme Court, have taken rulings and reversed them on the merits of different interpretations of laws and precedent.

Why can't the same principle apply here again?

Kashmir13579
06-24-2012, 02:31 PM
Kash why even bother.... He's just trolling

Then just to clear it up for anyone who doesn't know what an appellate court is, and wasn't acting like they did. ;)

jericho
06-24-2012, 02:31 PM
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

thats the new cba show me the old one thats the one that this players signed there contract under so thats the cba we have to follow till they get there new contracts

thekmp211
06-24-2012, 02:33 PM
How about you admit you've never taken a law class in your life? An appellate court doesn't look at the actually ruling, it looks at the steps leading up to the ruling to make sure nothing was mishandled.

he probably stayed at a holiday inn express last night

xxplayerxx23
06-24-2012, 02:38 PM
RIgged!!!!!!!!!!! :P

Kashmir13579
06-24-2012, 02:42 PM
If we're talking about an actual legal matter, an appellate courts, especially our Supreme Court, have taken rulings and reversed them on the merits of different interpretations of laws and precedent.

Why can't the same principle apply here again?

Maybe you do have a little more understanding of law than i thought, but your example - The Supreme Court is a last-ditch effort for high-profile cases. The said case has already bounced around multiple primary appellate courts at that point. They are also the only court that can call into question the merits of the constitution, if i'm not mistaken.

I see where your going with this, but traditional appellate courts are there to make sure due-process was upheld.

BSplaya2121
06-24-2012, 03:01 PM
The authority of appellate courts to review decisions of lower courts varies widely from one jurisdiction to another. In some places, the appellate court has limited powers of review. For example, in the United States, both state and federal appellate courts are usually restricted to examining whether the court below made the correct legal determinations, rather than hearing direct evidence and determining what the facts of the case were. Furthermore, U.S. appellate courts are usually restricted to hearing appeals based on matters that were originally brought up before the trial court. Hence, such an appellate court will not consider an appellant's argument if it is based on a theory that is raised for the first time in the appeal.

Now they can overturn the decision but they can only do it based on current facts from the previous arbitration case. In this case because the Arbitrator made a fair non biased decision and if the appellate court determines that there was no foul play of no bias. then this decision will most likely not be overturned

HeaTxRipZz
06-24-2012, 03:09 PM
An appeal seeks to reverse a ruling. It doesn't matter whether or not laws were broken.

If Person X says the knicks win, and the appeal hearing rules the knicks lose, the Knicks lose.

It's very rare that a ruling is reversed after a arbitrator has made a ruling so I doubt it'll be changed unless a law was broken

AntiG
06-24-2012, 03:21 PM
well it was kinda questionable to begin with that the Knicks got the ruling.

ThunderousDemon
06-24-2012, 03:45 PM
:laugh:

You just got Sterned!

http://i.qkme.me/35g6tr.jpg

NYKnicksAllDay
06-24-2012, 03:56 PM
Some of you guys are losing sight of the fact that this ruling wasn't just for the Knicks, it was for every team in the league. This was a win for the players' union, not the Knicks. This ruling helps out any team that wants to retain players that were claimed off waivers who have been under contract long enough to have bird rights.

Lakeshow24KB
06-24-2012, 03:59 PM
Lololol

northsider
06-24-2012, 04:01 PM
Hey idiots, all of you, this means that Chauncey billups, and all other formerly waived players cant sign with you team. so you guys can suck on that

OH NOOOSSS not Chauncey Billups!!!

ccg34
06-24-2012, 04:09 PM
Stern is a douche. I can't stand him. Get this fool out of the NBA asap.

ThunderousDemon
06-24-2012, 04:10 PM
OH NOOOSSS not Chauncey Billups!!!

:laugh2:

Sssmush
06-24-2012, 04:32 PM
wait... how can you veto or overturn an arbitrator who is already granted power to arbitrate...?

and how can you trust the league's arbitration process when they hire an arbitrator, then go after him when the decision isn't what they want?

Stern should just rule by decree and save everyone some time

Master Mind
06-24-2012, 04:41 PM
:laugh2:

flatbush knicks
06-24-2012, 04:47 PM
this thread is pointless no way the ruling gets overturned and even if it does it will take longer then 2 weeks meaning we will already have our players locked up

LakersMaster24
06-24-2012, 05:01 PM
Sieg Heil Fuhrer Stern!

StarvingKnick22
06-24-2012, 05:16 PM
this thread is pointless no way the ruling gets overturned and even if it does it will take longer then 2 weeks meaning we will already have our players locked up What? dude cmon it really happend

flatbush knicks
06-24-2012, 05:37 PM
What? dude cmon it really happend
i feel you but no matter how much stern hates the ruling we good:clap:

justinnum1
06-24-2012, 05:40 PM
Wtf

xxplayerxx23
06-24-2012, 06:04 PM
Ruling can def be changed I pray it doesnt tho
Btw did i tell you?
Rigged :D

BklynKnicks3
06-24-2012, 06:10 PM
i want to fight u stern

GiantsSwaGG
06-24-2012, 09:07 PM
Wtf

**** Stern
**** the Heat
**** the NBA
**** Everyone

thekmp211
06-24-2012, 10:14 PM
BUT I THOUGHT STERN LOVED HIM SOME BIG MARKET TEAMS!!!!

conspiracy theorists are hilarious. go study the JFK assassination and the coral castle. give stern a break.

ThunderousDemon
06-24-2012, 10:27 PM
BUT I THOUGHT STERN LOVED HIM SOME BIG MARKET TEAMS!!!!

conspiracy theorists are hilarious. go study the JFK assassination and the coral castle. give stern a break.

Conspiracy! There is no such thing as a real NY Mets fan.

Bigbadmoffo
06-24-2012, 10:42 PM
Lol Lin signs with Miami:p stern helping bron get 8

justinnum1
06-24-2012, 11:14 PM
Lol Lin signs with Miami:p stern helping bron get 8

except lin is overrated as hell, rather have chalmers than lin