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Ilovetosuckdip
06-24-2012, 12:25 PM
which team is the best fit for him?

LA:

A great playmaker in chris paul, a player that can draw double teams in blake griffin, and a chance to make it to the WCF next season.

on the clippers, allen would probably start, and would get tons of open shots from the play making of cp3 and griffins double teams, and the west looks to be wide open right now with the uncertainty with the lakers, and who knows if the aging spurs have it in them for another run.

so it is possible this team makes it to the WCF

Miami:

On this team, he would probably get about 20mpg off the bench, and have tons of open shots by lebrons playmaking ability, and ability to draw a double team.

on this team he faces alot less pressure as he would just be a sixth man, but he would have a guarenteed finals apparence in 2013, as no one in the east is good enough to beat this team, atleast until 2014 when rose is back to 100%

NY:

on this team he may start for the beginning of the year because of shumper's injury. he would mentor shumpert, face criticism from the NY media if he has a game where he goes 1-5 from deep.

will get a decent about of open shots from carmelo drawing double teams

has a chance of getting into the second round, if the knicks manage to get higher than the 5th seed

imo, MIA and LAC are the best places for him to go if he wants playoff success and alot of open shots

while NY, their pg situation is still a work in progress, carmelo isnt the playmaker that cp3 and lebron are, and the knicks havent won more than 1 playoff game in the past 13 years

so imo, in order, the best teams for him are:

MIA

LAC


NY

black1605
06-24-2012, 12:28 PM
Clippers.

Hellcrooner
06-24-2012, 12:30 PM
Grizzlies.

NYG 2000
06-24-2012, 12:31 PM
I'd love to see him on the clippers, and next to Chris Paul and blake Griffin, with maybe a chauncey Billups or a nick young (whichever one they can afford to resign)

My 2nd choice would be Miami, Florida he could win another ring there

D12 fan
06-24-2012, 12:31 PM
If he wants to win championships Miami,if he wants playing time Clippers.


Why are the Knicks a option?

waveycrockett
06-24-2012, 12:35 PM
the only team there where he can win a ring

NYG 2000
06-24-2012, 12:37 PM
the only team there where he can win a ring

Mia or okc off the bench?

ManRam
06-24-2012, 12:39 PM
Probably Miami. They're the most capable to win, and they could use more bench scoring. He could conceivably start on some other teams, so we'll see where his priorities are.

Definitely a lot of attractive options.

knicks4life33
06-24-2012, 12:46 PM
alln to knicks

waveycrockett
06-24-2012, 12:52 PM
Mia or okc off the bench?

Sure. They need shooters. DONT think OKC wants him tho.

ManRam
06-24-2012, 12:54 PM
OKC REALLY need shooters. A lot of the reasons, IMO, that Russy's assist rates plummeted was not only because of his increased aggression, but because he really didn't have many shooters around him. OKC need some three point specialists. We say how huge Miller, Battier and even at times James Jones could be.

NYG 2000
06-24-2012, 12:59 PM
OKC REALLY need shooters. A lot of the reasons, IMO, that Russy's assist rates plummeted was not only because of his increased aggression, but because he really didn't have many shooters around him. OKC need some three point specialists. We say how huge Miller, Battier and even at times James Jones could be.

This

To me, and okc biggest need is a backup small forward who can shoot, I say go pickup rashard Lewis when the hornets release him

Evolution23
06-24-2012, 01:01 PM
Heat should get Nash, Allen and Kaman. That would make the league more balanced.

JasonJohnHorn
06-24-2012, 01:05 PM
Miami already has a shooting guard. His name is Dwayne Wade. So unless they play on moving D-Wade to PG, I don't think Allen would get many minutes in Miami, of course, going for a big guard rotation like Chi-town did with Jordan and Harper isn't a bad idea at all.

As for NY... judging from their first-round playoff exit, they are far from contending the jury is still out on whether or not they will be able to re-sign Novak and Lin as Stern is appealing the arbitrator's call on the Bird rights, not to mention NY may end up using their MLE on Nash.

So, of the three choices offered, I'd go with the Clippers. They have a great PG who, like Rondo, knows how to distribute the ball, and I think that is what Allen needs as much as anything else. And will Billups out with injury and his Bird rights in question as well, the Clippers will need somebody at the SG position.

But ideally I would like to see Allen retire in Celtic green.

JasonJohnHorn
06-24-2012, 01:05 PM
Heat should get Nash, Allen and Kaman. That would make the league more balanced.

lol

JasonJohnHorn
06-24-2012, 01:09 PM
Grizzlies.

Good call. He'd be a great fit in Memphis for sure.

Reversed86Curse
06-24-2012, 01:31 PM
Boston.

Doubt he wants to take his son away from one of the best children's hospital in the world. Plus, he'll get as much playing time/money here as anywhere else.

Federal Reserve
06-24-2012, 01:34 PM
The local YMCA team.

Reversed86Curse
06-24-2012, 01:35 PM
The local YMCA team.

still trolling I see

wesso2008
06-24-2012, 01:37 PM
Bulls.

akesh99
06-24-2012, 01:38 PM
If he wants to win championships Miami,if he wants playing time Clippers.


Why are the Knicks a option?

This!

StarvingKnick22
06-24-2012, 01:41 PM
Knicks because Stern likes to rape us

NYMetropolitans
06-24-2012, 01:45 PM
Best fit for Allen= MIA

Best fit for me= NYK, :pray:

lavell12
06-24-2012, 01:45 PM
The Lakers would be a great fit too.

NYMetropolitans
06-24-2012, 01:45 PM
If he wants to win championships Miami,if he wants playing time Clippers.


Why are the Knicks a option?

Supposedly he's interested and so are the Knicks, thus it's an option.

JordansBulls
06-24-2012, 06:24 PM
Knicks or Clippers easily. He would get more tick on those teams. Don't see the need why a former allstar would need to go to a team that just won the NBA title. Another team that could use him would be the Spurs.

SteBO
06-24-2012, 06:30 PM
Knicks or Clippers easily. He would get more tick on those teams. Don't see the need why a former allstar would need to go to a team that just won the NBA title. Another team that could use him would be the Spurs.
For another possible title? :shrug:

justinnum1
06-24-2012, 06:42 PM
no poll should be anonymous

JordansBulls
06-24-2012, 06:44 PM
For another possible title? :shrug:

Yeah, but you aren't really doing anything to put them over the top because they just won it all. I always felt a star player (former) would or should want to go somewhere on a team to put them over the top not a team that just won it all.

justinnum1
06-24-2012, 06:46 PM
Yeah, but you aren't really doing anything to put them over the top because they just won it all. I always felt a star player (former) would or should want to go somewhere on a team to put them over the top not a team that just won it all.

yea, best 3 pt shooter ever doesnt help them at all

JordansBulls
06-24-2012, 06:48 PM
yea, best 3 pt shooter ever doesnt help them at all

He is not putting them over the top because they are already over the top.

Blitzbolt
06-24-2012, 06:50 PM
If he wants a ring Miami.

Glen20
06-24-2012, 06:57 PM
i reckon grizzlies. Particularly if they're going to lose Mayo. he'd get just as much free looks if Gasol and ZBo can get going inside. Also, they're a horrendous three point shooting team

edit: just as i wrote this i realized they are not even an option
I'm going to say Miami because we have a couple of shooters leaving/retiring

ATX
06-24-2012, 06:58 PM
The best fit for Allen is the Heat, because he won't win one in his twilight years with the Clips or Knicks, let's be honest here. No disrespect, both good teams, but Miami is better and needs someone such as Allen to come off the bench to replace Miller and Jones. OKC will still be better than Clips as well. Good news for Miami is that if Allen does sign somewhere else there are still players such as Crawford and Terry to go for amongst others.

Ebbs
06-24-2012, 07:17 PM
Goes to Miami and takes Mike Millers job . ..

Jarvo
06-24-2012, 07:22 PM
If he wants to win the Heat
If he want to start Clippers
As for the Knicks ehh

Lord Leoshes
06-25-2012, 03:01 AM
If he wants to win championships Miami,if he wants playing time Clippers.


Why are the Knicks a option?

This. Strait to the point.

Lord Leoshes
06-25-2012, 03:07 AM
Yeah, but you aren't really doing anything to put them over the top because they just won it all. I always felt a star player (former) would or should want to go somewhere on a team to put them over the top not a team that just won it all.

Isn't that what all those players did that joined the Bulls during the Jordan era did? :rolleyes:

IIISSKiLL
06-25-2012, 03:12 AM
Isn't that what all those players did that joined the Bulls during the Jordan era did? :rolleyes:

and the lakers in the shaq/kobe era

Lord Leoshes
06-25-2012, 03:29 AM
and the lakers in the shaq/kobe era

Exactly. & every team that previously won a championship.

checkit
06-25-2012, 05:10 AM
clippers. at this stage in his career, he needs an elite pg to set him up. useless on the other teams.

kblo247
06-25-2012, 05:40 AM
I think it's a 50/50 toss up between Clips and Heat, just depends where his head is at.

Personally I would like to see Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis both get signed by OKC and retire there



and the lakers in the shaq/kobe era

What?

Horace came in 01 but the team lost Rice and Green. Harper also had a foot in the grave and would lose his starting spot.

In 02 they added Hunter and Richmond who were irrelevant when t mattered and glued to the bench because Geroge and Shaw took all the minutes behind Kobe, Fish, and Fox. They also lost Horace so they used Damaki Wlaker and Mark Madsen.

The Kobe and Shaq team lost talent year by year during the 3 peat. Kobe's ascension and Fisher elevating themselves offset it, but they didn't get anyone joining up to keep them on top.

Payton and Malone came after a failed 4 peat and only because Shaq wanted Fisher, Fox, and Horry replaced for his guys in Russell, Malone, and Payton.

Now for the analogy to hold true say the 09 Lakers that won the title and brought in Artest. That would be a situation aimilar to Allen joining Miami, assuming Allen would take a large role like Ron did, and come up big to keep his team on top and successfully defen the title.

Glen20
06-25-2012, 06:15 AM
I think it's a 50/50 toss up between Clips and Heat, just depends where his head is at.

Personally I would like to see Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis both get signed by OKC and retire there


mmm rashard lewis back at OKC would be cool

DR_1
06-25-2012, 10:50 AM
Clippers.

And why would he go to Miami, they have Wade :facepalm:

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 10:57 AM
Clippers.

And why would he go to Miami, they have Wade :facepalm:

because he wants another ring, and wade can move over to pg when allen is in.

i believe allen will be in a heat uni next year.

DR_1
06-25-2012, 11:10 AM
Wade can't play Point Guard, and Allen will not be on the Heat :laugh:

SteBO
06-25-2012, 11:12 AM
Wade can't play Point Guard, and Allen will not be on the Heat :laugh:
Wade has played PG in spots after his rookie year in particular....and he's a pretty good passer when he isn't pissing me off with the turnovers. Allen isn't anywhere near a guarantee for us, but it's possible.

raptor fan
06-25-2012, 11:20 AM
I said this before in a couple of other threads in the past, but I think Allen and the Clippers are a perfect match. He'd get an opportunity to start, play meaningful minutes, and acts as a leader for such a young team. It's an exciting young team in L.A, it's a good fit for both parties involved.

celtNYpatsHeels
06-25-2012, 11:34 AM
Grizzlies

BSplaya2121
06-25-2012, 11:55 AM
Best fit for Allen= MIA

Best fit for me= NYK, :pray:

lol this

BSplaya2121
06-25-2012, 12:00 PM
quick question.... what do the heat have to use?? do they have the full MLE??? or the mini MLE? im really not sure which is why im asking

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 12:57 PM
quick question.... what do the heat have to use?? do they have the full MLE??? or the mini MLE? im really not sure which is why im asking

mini

Stuckey#3
06-25-2012, 01:01 PM
Did Perkins and Allen get along in OKC? If Harden walks he would be an ideal sixth man for there team. The Perkins thing might not matter if he gets amnestied.

JordansBulls
06-25-2012, 05:13 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/ChrisMannixSI



Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI
Rival GM's expect the Clippers (who don't have a GM yet), Bulls and others to pursue Allen, who is a very desirable free agent

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 05:17 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/ChrisMannixSI

every contender will go after him...all comes down to what allens priorities are.

DaSeba5
06-25-2012, 06:21 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4695557/sources-mutual-interest-between-allen-heat

theheatles
06-25-2012, 06:26 PM
He would thrive the most in miami, he wouldn't be bad for LAC, but he would suffer on the knicks

Teeboy1487
06-25-2012, 06:34 PM
The Bulls are the best fit imo.

Carey
06-25-2012, 06:41 PM
Mentioned Ray Allen ion forum as the #1 i'd target, could start, space the floor, get plenty of looks and compete for a ring.

Glen20
06-25-2012, 08:07 PM
if hes just after rings, then miami
if hes after money, possibly the clippers

xk4
06-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Considering how smothered Allen has been for years in Boston it's kind of a no brainer to go play with the guy that commands a double team nightly. Wide open looks, ring, and he already has a house in Miami

Happy for him sad for basketball

knickfan33
06-25-2012, 08:47 PM
he's be great for either clips or heat, but if playing time is a factor for him, he should go clips.... hard to see him getting much time with the heat.

Kucka
06-25-2012, 08:56 PM
Boston.

Doubt he wants to take his son away from one of the best children's hospital in the world. Plus, he'll get as much playing time/money here as anywhere else.

Agreed. This is one of the main reasons I believe Ainge didn't trade him at the deadline.

dodie53
06-25-2012, 09:06 PM
Heat should get Nash, Allen and Kaman. That would make the league more balanced.

what if this happens?

justinnum1
06-25-2012, 09:27 PM
what if this happens?

he would say he's not going to watch but would anyways.

bucketss
06-25-2012, 10:30 PM
Considering how smothered Allen has been for years in Boston it's kind of a no brainer to go play with the guy that commands a double team nightly. Wide open looks, ring, and he already has a house in Miami

Happy for him sad for basketball

*sad for the haters

bucketss
06-25-2012, 10:32 PM
i like all these over dramatic people acting like miami is ruining basketball, but when the celtics stacked their team with three allstars or when the lakers traded a bag of chips for gasol it was okay

scaramantula
06-25-2012, 10:44 PM
because everyone knows he can only play well with those teams, its impossible for him to play even remotely good with any other team

ichitownclowni
06-25-2012, 10:44 PM
The best shot at winning a title would be Miami. But playing with a guy like Chris Paul would give him some more open looks but with LeBron he will get the same. I say he'll go to LAC

scaramantula
06-25-2012, 10:46 PM
i like all these over dramatic people acting like miami is ruining basketball, but when the celtics stacked their team with three allstars or when the lakers traded a bag of chips for gasol it was okay

celtics were old (and didn't have Dwayne wade),
lakers only got gasol, not gasol and a second kobe bryant.
and you'e right miami isnt ruining basketball, they allready have, i mean with plenty of help from stern, lets give credit where credit is due

bucketss
06-25-2012, 10:51 PM
celtics were old (and didn't have Dwayne wade),
lakers only got gasol, not gasol and a second kobe bryant.
and you'e right miami isnt ruining basketball, they allready have, i mean with plenty of help from stern, lets give credit where credit is due

old yes, but still in their primes i like how you make excuses for it happening like it was alright. if that never happened the miami of today would also never happened. Also like i said its ruining basketball for the haters,only.

Glen20
06-25-2012, 11:03 PM
celtics were old (and didn't have Dwayne wade),
lakers only got gasol, not gasol and a second kobe bryant.
and you'e right miami isnt ruining basketball, they allready have, i mean with plenty of help from stern, lets give credit where credit is due

if its ruined then stop following it :pray:

bucketss
06-25-2012, 11:06 PM
if its ruined then stop following it :pray:

i like how people were guaranteeing that who ever comes out the west would destroy miami, and now that miami has crushed their dreams they're ruining the league

"omg miami is too good wahhhhhhh wahh wahhh :cry:

Trueblue2
06-25-2012, 11:57 PM
Bulls? He'd be perfect there, if he's healthy and the team stays motivated they'd still be a playoff team. When rose gets back that would be a hell of a back court, they could make a deep playoff push.

justinnum1
06-26-2012, 12:12 AM
Bulls? He'd be perfect there, if he's healthy and the team stays motivated they'd still be a playoff team. When rose gets back that would be a hell of a back court, they could make a deep playoff push.

Bulls need a 2nd star, not another solid role player

xk4
06-26-2012, 12:26 AM
*sad for the haters

*sad for basketball

I really don't care if the Heat do win their 5, 6, 7 rings as they boasted, but it's a really boring team to watch. Lebron manhandles everyone on the inside and any rebound gets kicked out to their army of 3pt shooters.

Overwhelming strength and speed don't make for interesting basketball games in my opinion. If you disagree, then by all means enjoy your Heat games but don't assume everyone is jelly.

Glen20
06-26-2012, 12:30 AM
*sad for basketball

I really don't care if the Heat do win their 5, 6, 7 rings as they boasted, but it's a really boring team to watch. Lebron manhandles everyone on the inside and any rebound gets kicked out to their army of 3pt shooters.

Overwhelming strength and speed don't make for interesting basketball games in my opinion. If you disagree, then by all means enjoy your Heat games but don't assume everyone is jelly.

then stop watching :win:
the world doesn't need you...

TylerSL
06-26-2012, 12:33 AM
Celtics.

I would love Allen in Miami, but I dont think its as close to being a done deal as others. Think about it, Miami and Boston do not like each other, at all. IMO Allen was too close with Doc, KG, and Peirce to join Miami. He may not have gotten along with Rondo, and may not return to Boston, but I dont think he would just sign with Miami because he has too much Celtic in him IMO.

Again, I would LOVE Allen in Miami, could you imagine all the wide open 3's he would get, and knock down! He could seriously average like 14 PPG with the Heat because of all the open shots he would get. I just dont see him coming here.

utl768
06-26-2012, 12:33 AM
the heat are the only team he has a shot at a title with

that said i dont want him unless he is taking the vet minimum

the exception has to be saved for an inside presence

TylerSL
06-26-2012, 12:37 AM
*sad for basketball

I really don't care if the Heat do win their 5, 6, 7 rings as they boasted, but it's a really boring team to watch. Lebron manhandles everyone on the inside and any rebound gets kicked out to their army of 3pt shooters.

Overwhelming strength and speed don't make for interesting basketball games in my opinion. If you disagree, then by all means enjoy your Heat games but don't assume everyone is jelly.

I bet you didnt have a problem with Bulls in the 90's and their 6 championships in 8 years...

bucketss
06-26-2012, 08:27 AM
*sad for basketball

I really don't care if the Heat do win their 5, 6, 7 rings as they boasted, but it's a really boring team to watch. Lebron manhandles everyone on the inside and any rebound gets kicked out to their army of 3pt shooters.

Overwhelming strength and speed don't make for interesting basketball games in my opinion. If you disagree, then by all means enjoy your Heat games but don't assume everyone is jelly.

im not a heat fan, but did you just call it boring? did you just call lebron a boring player? strength and speed don't make for a interesting basketball game? really? atleast now they're getting respect just a few weeks ago they were called a flawed team and need to trade dwade.

MadBomber
06-26-2012, 10:04 AM
Miami

StarvingKnick22
06-26-2012, 11:01 AM
allen said Knicks or heat. so thats that

justinnum1
06-26-2012, 11:22 AM
allen said Knicks or heat. so thats that

maybe he said that to get more money from boston

justinnum1
06-27-2012, 12:02 AM
kennedy
The general consensus around the NBA is that Ray Allen will sign with Miami. "Barring a change, he'll join the Heat," said a league source.

DragonJaii
06-27-2012, 12:09 AM
^ thats some deadly shiz

justinnum1
06-27-2012, 12:13 AM
wade
allen
bron
battier
bosh

closing lineup
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ZpHr5l0U0)

naps
06-27-2012, 01:16 AM
Allen to Miami sounds awesome!