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j-bay
06-23-2012, 09:43 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...f=twitter_feed


Bobcats' decision at No. 2 leads buzz in final week before draft



numerous executives expect the Bobcats to be approached by Cleveland (No. 4) about the possibility of swapping picks (if it hasn't happened already) in order for the Cavaliers to land Florida shooting guard Bradley Beal.

To me it seemed like Cleveland was going to draft someone elese, because the trade came out, this seems like **** you Washington trade. History shows that if there is one thing that Gilbert hates more then the Heat, its Washington

bigsams50
06-23-2012, 09:54 AM
I wouldnt trade until draft day. Just in case NO passes up on AD. Would it be the 2nd pick for the 4th and 24th?

Glen20
06-23-2012, 09:58 AM
I wouldnt trade until draft day. Just in case NO passes up on AD. Would it be the 2nd pick for the 4th and 24th?

i get your point but theres no way they pass on davis

bigsams50
06-23-2012, 10:00 AM
i get your point but theres no way they pass on davis

I know, but just that small chance i think is worth it.

Mr_Amaziing
06-23-2012, 10:20 AM
I wouldnt trade until draft day. Just in case NO passes up on AD. Would it be the 2nd pick for the 4th and 24th?

Wow that would be insane if New Orleans passed on him

Lloyd Christmas
06-23-2012, 10:22 AM
Charlotte should jump on this. It's not like Cle or Wash needs Robinson. Grab some extra assets and still get your guy. Risky though.

j-bay
06-23-2012, 11:21 AM
What i'm trying to say is why the sudden interest in Beal now? And to me it has something to do with the Wizards

YOLO
06-23-2012, 11:25 AM
Irving and Barnes would be pretty dynamic...

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 11:36 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...f=twitter_feed


Bobcats' decision at No. 2 leads buzz in final week before draft



numerous executives expect the Bobcats to be approached by Cleveland (No. 4) about the possibility of swapping picks (if it hasn't happened already) in order for the Cavaliers to land Florida shooting guard Bradley Beal.

To me it seemed like Cleveland was going to draft someone elese, because the trade came out, this seems like **** you Washington trade. History shows that if there is one thing that Gilbert hates more then the Heat, its Washington interesting, but I'm not sure they need a shooting guard more than they would need a pg/center combination in Drummond and Irving

xxplayerxx23
06-23-2012, 11:37 AM
would washington take robinson? I do this if Im char, You get your man MKG OR Robinson and you get the 24th.

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 11:39 AM
would washington take robinson? I do this if Im char, You get your man MKG OR Robinson and you get the 24th.

They wouldn't they traded for okeafor to play center so nene could move to he 4, so they don't need a 4

And their small forward position is locked up with ariza and vesely

Their only need right now is beal

xxplayerxx23
06-23-2012, 11:41 AM
They wouldn't they traded for okeafor to play center so nene could move to he 4, so they don't need a 4

And their small forward position is locked up with ariza and vesely

Their only need right now is beal

Oh this trade would really screw them over then lol

j-bay
06-23-2012, 11:45 AM
Oh this trade would really screw them over then lol

I feel like this is something dan gilbert would do and i'd be pissed if it does happen

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 11:45 AM
They wouldn't they traded for okeafor to play center so nene could move to he 4, so they don't need a 4

And their small forward position is locked up with ariza and vesely

Their only need right now is beal

Oh this trade would really screw them over then lol
Yes lol

The wizards also screwed themselves cap space wise for the next few years, in order to have benign talent to be an 8th seed team.

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 11:47 AM
Oh this trade would really screw them over then lol

I feel like this is something dan gilbert would do and i'd be pissed if it does happen They have the assets, so why not? I believe they have 4 first round picks this year

xxplayerxx23
06-23-2012, 11:49 AM
I feel like this is something dan gilbert would do and i'd be pissed if it does happen

That is. he is very spitful lol, I love beal So IMO he will do everything in his power to get him

j-bay
06-23-2012, 11:54 AM
They have the assets, so why not? I believe they have 4 first round picks this year

No only one, but they need someone who can actually shoot the basketball with the jumpshot

xxplayerxx23
06-23-2012, 11:56 AM
Washington gm fight back offer him the 3rd pick, and Something of value say **** you dan gilbert!

j-bay
06-23-2012, 12:01 PM
Washington gm fight back offer him the 3rd pick, and Something of value say **** you dan gilbert!

only other thing we have is a high 2nd

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 12:01 PM
They have the assets, so why not? I believe they have 4 first round picks this year

No only one, but they need someone who can actually shoot the basketball with the jumpshot really? I know they have like the 29th pick and some others as well

j-bay
06-23-2012, 12:02 PM
really? I know they have like the 29th pick and some others as well

no only the 3rd and 32nd

dalton749
06-23-2012, 12:04 PM
If cleveland was smart and took jv last year they would probably own 2nd and we would be looking at okc 2.0

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 12:09 PM
really? I know they have like the 29th pick and some others as well

no only the 3rd and 32nd

Nope, check ur information, they have the 4,24,33,and 34th picks, check nbadraft.net

DR_1
06-23-2012, 12:20 PM
This seems like a "suck it, Washington!" move.

DR_1
06-23-2012, 12:21 PM
only other thing we have is a high 2nd

Singleton/Vesley aren't bad

JOhnnyTHaJet
06-23-2012, 12:26 PM
If Cleveland was smart they'd draft MKG. Having MKG and Kyrie play again together would be an exceptional thing to build around. They'd be young, have chemistry, and a **** load of potential.

xxplayerxx23
06-23-2012, 12:26 PM
Nope, check ur information, they have the 4,24,33,and 34th picks, check nbadraft.net

That is the cavs bro, hes a wizard fan

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 12:28 PM
Nope, check ur information, they have the 4,24,33,and 34th picks, check nbadraft.net

That is the cavs bro, hes a wizard fan

Oooh, woops, lol, thx

j-bay
06-23-2012, 12:29 PM
Nope, check ur information, they have the 4,24,33,and 34th picks, check nbadraft.net

thats cleveland
oh wait i get it

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 12:30 PM
If Cleveland was smart they'd draft MKG. Having MKG and Kyrie play again together would be an exceptional thing to build around. They'd be young, have chemistry, and a **** load of potential. no, of they were smart they wld have accepted th. Deal the warriors offered them of varajao and the 24th for the 8th and draft Drummond and barnes

j-bay
06-23-2012, 12:31 PM
This seems like a "suck it, Washington!" move.

I remeber his comments to us in the playoffs a couple years ago

black1605
06-23-2012, 12:32 PM
Hold onto the pick until the last possible minute. Beal's stock is skyrocketing, so you might as well see what kind of bidding war gets started.

Kings, Cavs, and Wizards all want Beal, just depends on who wants him the most.

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 12:37 PM
Hold onto the pick until the last possible minute. Beal's stock is skyrocketing, so you might as well see what kind of bidding war gets started.

Kings, Cavs, and Wizards all want Beal, just depends on who wants him the most.

Hope they don't have to pay the price Washington payed for Griffin in the nfl draft, lol

black1605
06-23-2012, 12:42 PM
Hope they don't have to pay the price Washington payed for Griffin in the nfl draft, lol

Maybe you don't, but all reports are that the Bobcats want a lot for the pick. An established player and probably a pick.

j-bay
06-23-2012, 12:47 PM
I think Washington needs Beal more just because we don't have a guy who has a good jump shot

black1605
06-23-2012, 12:57 PM
I think Washington needs Beal more just because we don't have a guy who has a good jump shot

Unfortunately, I think Washington has nothing to offer, unless they give us next years pick. I'm really starting to believe that the pick will be traded, so the only way to guarantee Beal lands on the Wizards is to move up to #2, otherwise they risk the Cavs and Kings stealing him away.

j-bay
06-23-2012, 01:01 PM
Unfortunately, I think Washington has nothing to offer, unless they give us next years pick. I'm really starting to believe that the pick will be traded, so the only way to guarantee Beal lands on the Wizards is to move up to #2, otherwise they risk the Cavs and Kings stealing him away.

well to tell you the truth i havn't heard the kings in the conversation at all so we can cross them out. Also maybe the Cavs won't trade at that price because the fact they wern't willing to trade AV and the 24th for the 7th

NYG 2000
06-23-2012, 01:03 PM
I think Washington needs Beal more just because we don't have a guy who has a good jump shot

Unfortunately, I think Washington has nothing to offer, unless they give us next years pick. I'm really starting to believe that the pick will be traded, so the only way to guarantee Beal lands on the Wizards is to move up to #2, otherwise they risk the Cavs and Kings stealing him away.

Evans+kings pick for the Bobcats 2nd pick?

black1605
06-23-2012, 01:04 PM
well to tell you the truth i havn't heard the kings in the conversation at all so we can cross them out. Also maybe the Cavs won't trade at that price because the fact they wern't willing to trade AV and the 24th for the 7th

I've definitely read that the Kings are interested, even though Beal didn't work out for them, and that Cavs trade was a rumor, so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. If the Bobcats stay at #2, then Beal is all yours, but if anyone moves up, you're stuck with a non-shooting guard.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

asmarks18
06-23-2012, 01:58 PM
Kyrie and Beal would be sick.

j-bay
06-23-2012, 02:07 PM
Kyrie and Beal would be sick.

So would Wall + Beal. Wall passing ability to an open Beal around the 3 point range would be sick

Cal827
06-23-2012, 02:18 PM
Would be interesting if Cleveland moves up to two.
Maybe Washington moves down and sees if somebody would offer a prospect as well as a high pick like Golden State or us (Toronto)? Both teams would love to add a SF like MKG or Barnes to their respective line-ups and Washington already has Vesely/Singleton there to fight for the future spot.

Or maybe they draft Drummond to go behind Nene/Okafor for his first few years of maturation. Could work out really well b/c he could be taught offense from Nene and Defense from Okafor for the duration of their respective contracts lol

WITZ
06-23-2012, 02:41 PM
What i'm trying to say is why the sudden interest in Beal now? And to me it has something to do with the Wizards

Your looking to much into this Gilbert/wizards things...why the sudden interest you ask now maybe its because they now know that he isn't going to drop to their pick and if they want him they are going to have to trade up for him.

Blazers23
06-23-2012, 02:45 PM
Hold onto the pick until the last possible minute. Beal's stock is skyrocketing, so you might as well see what kind of bidding war gets started.

Kings, Cavs, and Wizards all want Beal, just depends on who wants him the most.

Add Portland to that list of who want Beal

Theyhateme459
06-23-2012, 04:43 PM
We need to do this... I want the #4, another late 1st round pick and a future non lottery protected first from Cleveland... Done deal!

bigsams50
06-23-2012, 05:00 PM
Evans and kings pick for the #2 :pray:

j-bay
06-23-2012, 05:13 PM
Evans and kings pick for the #2 :pray:

You can hope but i don't think they will do it just on the fact it will add another hole

bigsams50
06-23-2012, 05:17 PM
You can hope but i don't think they will do it just on the fact it will add another hole

I know they wont do it. Thats why i am praying :p The only teams i see with a legit chance of trading with us at the moment it Washington and Cleveland

j-bay
06-23-2012, 05:19 PM
I know they wont do it. Thats why i am praying :p The only teams i see with a legit chance of trading with us at the moment it Washington and Cleveland

Can't see washington, unless you want blatche:p
Cleveland maybe only if they give you guys an established player

bigsams50
06-23-2012, 05:23 PM
Can't see washington, unless you want blatche:p
Cleveland maybe only if they give you guys an established player

Hahahahaha a big no to Blatche. I would think with Cleveland it would be for the 4th and 24th picks.

MagicBucsSox
06-23-2012, 05:25 PM
Cleveland would BR stupid passing on t-rob. Thompson ain't build for the PF position like him

I think they're after mkg

COOLbeans
06-23-2012, 05:45 PM
Definite possibility that this happens since MJ was part owner of the Wizards and he probably wouldn't mind seeing them remain horrible. Or at least to hurt them from getting their target. The deals probably already done.

black1605
06-23-2012, 06:01 PM
Definite possibility that this happens since MJ was part owner of the Wizards and he probably wouldn't mind seeing them remain horrible. Or at least to hurt them from getting their target. The deals probably already done.

I really doubt Jordan cares whether or not the Wizards are horrible, however Washington has the least to offer out of the teams reportedly interested in Beal.

thekmp211
06-23-2012, 06:08 PM
they will get a great fit at 4 no matter what pretty much. beal and mkg in particular are who i think they are after. draftexpress has robinson going 2nd overall (huh?), so if they just move up a spot that should be enough to ensure one of those guys is on the board. not sure what the two sides would swap besides picks.

FarOutIos
06-23-2012, 06:36 PM
Evans and kings pick for the #2 :pray:

Trellathikes...

There is no way we trade Evans AND our pick to move up to the #2 pick. If you ask kings fans you will see that there is noon that stands out in this draft for us... Some of us want Robinson. Some of us want Barnes. Some of us want MKG. Even Beal would be OK... So why trade away one of our best players for no reason...?

bigsams50
06-23-2012, 06:43 PM
Trellathikes...

There is no way we trade Evans AND our pick to move up to the #2 pick. If you ask kings fans you will see that there is noon that stands out in this draft for us... Some of us want Robinson. Some of us want Barnes. Some of us want MKG. Even Beal would be OK... So why trade away one of our best players for no reason...?

Ellhnas?

And i know there is no way dude :p Thats why i put the pray smiley :p

Vinny642
06-23-2012, 10:14 PM
If they get Beal, the Wizards are screwed

Arch Stanton
06-23-2012, 11:45 PM
If Cleveland can do I without using the 24th I'm all in.

black1605
06-24-2012, 12:04 AM
If Cleveland can do I without using the 24th I'm all in.

Not going to happen.

Arch Stanton
06-24-2012, 12:08 AM
Not going to happen.

What about Clevelands next years additional first (from Miami), and one of 2012 second rounder, in addition to the 4th pick of course.

KTSports
06-24-2012, 12:11 AM
If Cleveland can do I without using the 24th I'm all in.
So what else would they offer besides the 4th pick? ...trade 2nd for the 4th.. NO WAY!

JDM
06-24-2012, 12:23 AM
We shouldn't do anything until draft day. We need to put up our poker face and talk back and forth between teams hoping to start a bidding war. No need to rush a trade at all.

j-bay
06-24-2012, 12:26 AM
Wait.....why would MJ help the Cavs? This guy has caused more pain and suffering to Cleveland then lebron james

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJsPzO4pDsQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwW9XbwlV1o

JDM
06-24-2012, 12:43 AM
It's in our best interest to trade down and get more assets.

homestarunner93
06-24-2012, 12:54 AM
What about Clevelands next years additional first (from Miami), and one of 2012 second rounder, in addition to the 4th pick of course.

Why would the Bobcats do that? If the Cavs trade up, #24 will be included.

jrm2054
06-24-2012, 01:04 AM
I would do it get MGK 4th and pick up 24

raptor fan
06-24-2012, 09:56 AM
4 and 24 for 2 makes sense if the cavs really want beal. However, I'd probably stay at 4 and pick up MKG or Barnes, and pick up another asset at 24 (eg. John Jenkins or something at SG).

HouRealCoach
06-24-2012, 10:04 AM
They better get Andre Drummond

HouRealCoach
06-24-2012, 10:07 AM
Cavs can draft Drummond, trade Gee & their 2 2nd's for GS #30 to draft Jenkins, Use their #24 for Royce White

superwill
06-24-2012, 10:34 AM
would the bobcats take Bynum for the #2pick

Arch Stanton
06-24-2012, 10:41 AM
Why would the Bobcats do that? If the Cavs trade up, #24 will be included.

Because you're getting a first rounder an additional first rounder and second rounder vs just a first rounder.

Arch Stanton
06-24-2012, 10:42 AM
Cavs can draft Drummond, trade Gee & their 2 2nd's for GS #30 to draft Jenkins, Use their #24 for Royce White

I hope they stay far away from Drummond. He's a bust waiting to happen.

bigsams50
06-24-2012, 11:24 AM
Because you're getting a first rounder an additional first rounder and second rounder vs just a first rounder.

the 24th pick has higher value imo then the late Heat pick and 2nd round pick

Arch Stanton
06-24-2012, 11:28 AM
the 24th pick has higher value imo then the late Heat pick and 2nd round pick

The question is how big of a drop off is there from Beal to Barnes, MKG, and TRob. If Beal is going to be like Wade, Allen or even Harden it's definitely worth it.

king4day
06-24-2012, 11:55 AM
I know, but just that small chance i think is worth it.

I'm sure they have that in mind. If they agree to a deal witha team, I'm sure they will wait until N.O. is up before pulling the trigger.

If they did this deal, who would you want at 4? Assuming Beal is gone would you expect Robinson to still be there? Would the Cavs then take MKG or Barnes?

bigsams50
06-24-2012, 11:59 AM
I'm sure they have that in mind. If they agree to a deal witha team, I'm sure they will wait until N.O. is up before pulling the trigger.

If they did this deal, who would you want at 4? Assuming Beal is gone would you expect Robinson to still be there? Would the Cavs then take MKG or Barnes?

Personally, I want Barnes.

black1605
06-24-2012, 12:05 PM
The question is, do the Bobcats take Beal with the intention of trading him to Cleveland after the Wizards pick?

If you take Beal, and Washington takes Barnes or MKG, then you are able to trade Beal to Cleveland. Then you end up with Robinson, who I would prefer in the first place, as well as the 24th pick.

However, if you gamble, and take Beal, and Washington takes Robinson, do the Bobcats still make the trade, or keep Beal?

In my opinion, if you take the risk of taking Beal in the hopes that Washington will pass on Robinson, then you have to be prepared to keep Beal if Robinson is gone at #4. I think both Beal and Robinson will be better NBA players than MKG, Barnes, or Drummond, so you have to end up with one of the two.

homestarunner93
06-24-2012, 12:17 PM
The question is, do the Bobcats take Beal with the intention of trading him to Cleveland after the Wizards pick?

If you take Beal, and Washington takes Barnes or MKG, then you are able to trade Beal to Cleveland. Then you end up with Robinson, who I would prefer in the first place, as well as the 24th pick.

However, if you gamble, and take Beal, and Washington takes Robinson, do the Bobcats still make the trade, or keep Beal?

In my opinion, if you take the risk of taking Beal in the hopes that Washington will pass on Robinson, then you have to be prepared to keep Beal if Robinson is gone at #4. I think both Beal and Robinson will be better NBA players than MKG, Barnes, or Drummond, so you have to end up with one of the two.

The Bobcats SHOULDN'T want Robinson. They should go the opposite direction, either 1. Barnes or 2. MKG if they trade down.

black1605
06-24-2012, 12:21 PM
It's a matter of personal preference. Replace Robinson with Barnes in my scenario, and the question remains the same. Do you take Beal hoping you can trade back to four and still get the player you want even though Washington could take that player?

j-bay
06-24-2012, 01:39 PM
It's a matter of personal preference. Replace Robinson with Barnes in my scenario, and the question remains the same. Do you take Beal hoping you can trade back to four and still get the player you want even though Washington could take that player?

no MJ has already narrowed it down to 2 guys
Steve Kyler: Hearing Thomas Robinson and Michael-Kidd Gilchrist are likely the two guys Charlotte considers at #2... Washington trade signals Beal #3 Twitter
Its either just trade down or pick one of those, MJ isn't that smart to do that.

black1605
06-24-2012, 01:47 PM
no MJ has already narrowed it down to 2 guys
Steve Kyler: Hearing Thomas Robinson and Michael-Kidd Gilchrist are likely the two guys Charlotte considers at #2... Washington trade signals Beal #3 Twitter
Its either just trade down or pick one of those, MJ isn't that smart to do that.

It's all about what sources you believe. I've read it's between Beal, Robinson, and Barnes.

Edit: Here's the article.


According to several NBA front-office execs, Jordan is deciding whether to take North Carolina small forward Harrison Barnes, Kansas power forward Thomas Robinson or Florida shooting guard Bradley Beal with the No. 2 pick.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0617-text-mock-draft-nba--20120617,0,5251799.story?track=rss

j-bay
06-25-2012, 12:05 AM
It's all about what sources you believe. I've read it's between Beal, Robinson, and Barnes.

Edit: Here's the article.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0617-text-mock-draft-nba--20120617,0,5251799.story?track=rss

That was from june 16th, mine is from june 20th. Plus MKG worked out for the Bobcats 2 days later. so they might have decided
1.Robinson/MKG
2.MKG/Robinson
3.Beal/Barnes

j-bay
06-25-2012, 12:07 AM
The Washington Wizards, selecting above the Cavs at No. 3, insist their trade that brought small forward Trevor Ariza won't affect their draft board. They've been high on Beal and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist all along. If the Cavs are sold on Beal, they may have to decide if the No. 24 pick is a worthy price to move up to No. 2. The Charlotte Bobcats are drafting second and have made it clear they're open to trading the pick. Sun Herald
http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/cleveland_cavaliers

So i guess it all depends on whether cleveland wants to give up the 24th. I remeber one cleveland fan said he wouldn't do it.

JDM
06-25-2012, 12:17 AM
I think it's futile to try and guess who we are targeting, to be honest. We have been keeping things very close to the chest recently. Hell, remember when "sources" said Quin Snyder was going to be our coach? I wouldn't put much stock into what "sources" are saying.

DR_1
06-25-2012, 12:58 AM
If I'm Cleveland I for sure give up pick 24 to get Beal. Charlotte should be asking for more IMO.

Arch Stanton
06-25-2012, 01:11 AM
http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/cleveland_cavaliers

So i guess it all depends on whether cleveland wants to give up the 24th. I remeber one cleveland fan said he wouldn't do it.

I might do it! It depends on how high they are on Beal.

RaiderKid318
06-25-2012, 01:28 AM
I wouldnt trade until draft day. Just in case NO passes up on AD. Would it be the 2nd pick for the 4th and 24th?

0 chance we pass on him

Raptors15
06-25-2012, 02:00 AM
The Hornets aren't going to pass up on Davis and Beal would be a nice pick for the Cavs, as it seems the Cats have set their sights for Robinson who should still be available at 4 if they choose to swap their picks with the Cavs.

j-bay
06-25-2012, 11:58 AM
While every NBA official Iíve talked to recent days believes Charlotte will take Kansas power forward Thomas Robinson with the second pick, there are still whispers Bobcats czar Michael Jordan would be open to unloading the pick if he could acquire a young, proven talent. Racine Journal-Times

So who would the Cavs give up thats young and proven

j-bay
06-25-2012, 05:08 PM
In Chad Ford's latest mock draft, he has the Wiz selecting Beal.

Check this part out:


And if the Wizards believe they are in danger of losing Beal, don't be surprised if they offer the Bobcats the No. 32 pick to move up one spot. If Beal is off the board, it looks like Harrison Barnes is plan B. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...raft-version-9

You know, i could see them moving barnes to shooting guard

WITZ
06-25-2012, 08:15 PM
In Chad Ford's latest mock draft, he has the Wiz selecting Beal.

Check this part out:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...raft-version-9

You know, i could see them moving barnes to shooting guard

If the cavs really want Beal they can can just offer the 24 and outbid the wiz .Which the bobcats would easily take over the 33rd pick.

j-bay
06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
If the cavs really want Beal they can can just offer the 24 and outbid the wiz .Which the bobcats would easily take over the 33rd pick.

But what i hear if jordan trades the pick Barnes will be the zards guy at 3, then the bobcats lose there guy. According to ESPN rumor central that would be the Cats guy.

JDM
06-25-2012, 09:43 PM
MKG has been our guy, Robinson has been our guy, for a little while Beal was, and now Barnes is our guy. To be honest I don't think there is a single person who we are dying to get. I think we would be more than happy with either MKG, Robinson, or Barnes, and if we trade with the Cavs one of those guys will still be there.

Melo15
06-25-2012, 09:45 PM
MKG has been our guy, Robinson has been our guy, for a little while Beal was, and now Barnes is our guy. To be honest I don't think there is a single person who we are dying to get. I think we would be more than happy with either MKG, Robinson, or Barnes, and if we trade with the Cavs one of those guys will still be there.

Yeah, it really seems like the perfect situation for the Bobcats.

black1605
06-25-2012, 10:02 PM
I strongly believe the Bobcats and Cavs will make the trade. The Bobcats are guaranteed either Robinson or Barnes, and pick up 24 to boot. If they see Robinson and Barnes as equals talent wise, then there is no doubt this deal gets done.

Arch Stanton
06-25-2012, 10:08 PM
I wonder if the Cats would make the trade for 4 and both second rounders? If they're not really losing anything by trading down, then why not?

j-bay
06-25-2012, 10:13 PM
I wonder if the Cats would make the trade for 4 and both second rounders? If they're not really losing anything by trading down, then why not?

From what i'm hearing, Jordan would also want a well developed player too. So what player would the cavs give up?

black1605
06-25-2012, 10:15 PM
I doubt the deal would go down if the Cavs don't include 24. It's not about what the Bobcats are "losing", it's about what the Cavs are gaining. The Bobcats are in the drivers seat, if the Cavs want Beal, they will give up both firsts.

Arch Stanton
06-25-2012, 10:16 PM
From what i'm hearing, Jordan would also want a well developed player too. So what player would the cavs give up?

He can have Omri Casspi, Semih Erden, 4, 33, 34, and cash.

black1605
06-25-2012, 10:19 PM
By all accounts, 4 and 24 is already a standing offer. Now it's a matter of waiting to see if someone else wants to try and top the offer.

Arch Stanton
06-25-2012, 10:20 PM
I doubt the deal would go down if the Cavs don't include 24. It's not about what the Bobcats are "losing", it's about what the Cavs are gaining. The Bobcats are in the drivers seat, if the Cavs want Beal, they will give up both firsts.

I'm just not sure they think Beal is that much ahead of Barnes, or MKG. And I don't see it happening with adding 24.

j-bay
06-25-2012, 10:27 PM
I'm just not sure they think Beal is that much ahead of Barnes, or MKG. And I don't see it happening with adding 24.

The cavs would also have to add a developed played.

j-bay
06-25-2012, 10:27 PM
By all accounts, 4 and 24 is already a standing offer. Now it's a matter of waiting to see if someone else wants to try and top the offer.

cavs would also have to add a developed player

black1605
06-25-2012, 10:28 PM
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.