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Machinehead
06-20-2012, 11:32 PM
Tricky question. Will the fightin phillies make the 2012 playoffs?

Carlznerson
06-20-2012, 11:50 PM
No.

1908_Cubs
06-20-2012, 11:51 PM
Such a tricky question, you couldn't figure out how to post it only once in the wrong forum.

ShadyMcCoy29
06-20-2012, 11:54 PM
Yes, Not really a tricky question at all

Carlznerson
06-21-2012, 12:09 AM
Yes, Not really a tricky question at all

Explain. Even if Utley, Halladay and Howard return how much do they really have left? The Nats, Mets and Braves all are gaining valuable games on the Phils every night. I think it might be too late even this early.

1908_Cubs
06-21-2012, 12:10 AM
Explain. Even if Utley, Halladay and Howard return how much do they really have left? The Nats, Marlins and Braves all are gaining valuable games on the Phils every night. I think it might be too late even this early.

Fairly certain that's just the dupe account of the thread poster.

metswon69
06-21-2012, 12:11 AM
Depends on how much of an impact Utley, Halladay,and Howard have coming back.

I don't think so myself but they could catch fire when everyone gets healthy.

Wrigheyes4MVP
06-21-2012, 12:18 AM
Explain. Even if Utley, Halladay and Howard return how much do they really have left? The Nats, Marlins and Braves all are gaining valuable games on the Phils every night. I think it might be too late even this early.

And the Mets too.

Carlznerson
06-21-2012, 12:18 AM
And the Mets too.

I actually meant the mets and not the marlins. My bad.

Wrigheyes4MVP
06-21-2012, 12:26 AM
Yeah...I'm not a big believer in the Marlins...never was.

popo85
06-21-2012, 12:33 AM
Mets Nats Braves are all playing too well and the Marlins are decent, won't be able to contend without there big stars out.

sexicano31
06-21-2012, 12:36 AM
Lets hope not

Eaglesfan05
06-21-2012, 12:42 AM
If they win 9 more games than the Nats and 6 more than the Mets and Braves for the rest of the season they should be in decent shape

LASportsFan1996
06-21-2012, 01:31 AM
:facepalm:

LASportsFan1996
06-21-2012, 01:32 AM
Marlins Win East.

T 980
06-21-2012, 01:49 AM
:facepalm:

For once, I gotta agree with a Dodger fan

Nabeshin
06-21-2012, 01:53 AM
The Phillies will be in the hunt come September even tho it hurts me, to say, they have too much quality in there roster and I am a Met fan.But it is one ****ing tough division, but I still see the Phillies coming out on top in the end.

LASportsFan1996
06-21-2012, 01:57 AM
For once, I gotta agree with a Dodger fan

:shrug:
:cheers:

mtf
06-21-2012, 06:14 AM
The Yankees looked to be in pretty bad shape a couple weeks ago as well. Payrolls that exist around the tax border simply can't be written off before August.

Pinstripe pride
06-21-2012, 07:44 AM
nothing tricky about it at all, they won't

ShadyMcCoy29
06-21-2012, 11:19 AM
Explain. Even if Utley, Halladay and Howard return how much do they really have left? The Nats, Mets and Braves all are gaining valuable games on the Phils every night. I think it might be too late even this early.

I think that realistically their target is the wild card spot; however I do feel as though the nats will start to slip considering how young they are. Im an optimist, but when (and if) howard and Utley comes back that does a lot to the lineup for the simple fact that it shifts everyone else into their normal spots. Pence wont feel the pressure of batting 4th, put him behind howard and a head of ruiz (arguably the best hitting catch in the national league right now). That places Vic at 7, and a lineup with speed and power (albeit limited) in the seventh is always an advantage. Polanco then in the 8th batting 280 is not a horrible 8th batter. Oh and adding the best pitcher in baseball back to a staff that already holds two aces (event hough lee is struggling a little), takes out Kendrick or blanton, which reestablishes the dominant staff that Phillies had in mind before the season.

On top of that there is an emotional gain when you bring back your three best players, who you've been missing the entire season. The phils should be more relaxed and play loose baseball. Like I said I am an optimist, but I don't think anyone in the NL east or the NL should sleep on the Phillies when we get healthy, especially if we do make it to the playoffs

NYMets0507
06-21-2012, 11:30 AM
As a Mets fan, don't ever count the Phillies out. Especially from 2007.

:(

GHGHCP
06-21-2012, 11:34 AM
Assuming the Nats play .500 ball the rest of the season they will have a 97-85 season. Assuming the Mets and Giants play .500 ball they will go 94-88. Phillies will need to play .553 ball the rest of the way to reach 95-87.

In short. No, they won't. That is why they have less than a 12% chance to make the playoffs.

NY_Heartbreak
06-21-2012, 11:54 AM
Assuming the Nats play .500 ball the rest of the season they will have a 97-85 season. Assuming the Mets and Giants play .500 ball they will go 94-88. Phillies will need to play .553 ball the rest of the way to reach 95-87.

In short. No, they won't. That is why they have less than a 12% chance to make the playoffs.

These records make for 182 game seasons. Do you mean 97-65, and 94-68 respectively?

1903
06-21-2012, 12:02 PM
Assuming the Nats play .500 ball the rest of the season they will have a 97-85 season. Assuming the Mets and Giants play .500 ball they will go 94-88. Phillies will need to play .553 ball the rest of the way to reach 95-87.

In short. No, they won't. That is why they have less than a 12% chance to make the playoffs.

Nationals would have a 87-75 record if they played .500 ball for the rest of the season. Mets and Giants would be 84-78.

metswon69
06-21-2012, 12:28 PM
Yeah they still have tremendous talent either way and certainly playing below what they are capable of.

Utley and Howard are going to be huge emotional lifts for that team, and if Halladay comes back true to form they can still be dangerous.

But they have to start winning really soon, otherwise Hamels becomes a huge bargaining chip next month.

metswon69
06-21-2012, 12:30 PM
Nationals would have a 87-75 record if they played .500 ball for the rest of the season. Mets and Giants would be 84-78.

85 wins might be enough to lock up the second wild card spot the way the standings are going now in each division.

The first one might take closer to 90 but 85-87 might be enough for the second wild card.

NY_Heartbreak
06-21-2012, 12:50 PM
Before the Beachy injury, I thought that both wildcard spots were going to come from the NL East. Now, I believe that the Giants will take one of them.

Giants-49ers-Ws
06-21-2012, 01:09 PM
the Giants will win their division...the dodgers are playing way above their heads thus far--they will need to make a couple quality trades to keep up with the Giants in the long run

the phillies are still in it they are only what 5 games out of the playoffs or something?

if halladay, howard, and utley come back healthy watch out

BKLYNpigeon
06-21-2012, 01:16 PM
Nope..

GHGHCP
06-21-2012, 09:47 PM
These records make for 182 game seasons. Do you mean 97-65, and 94-68 respectively?


Nationals would have a 87-75 record if they played .500 ball for the rest of the season. Mets and Giants would be 84-78.

Yeah opps heh. For some reason I was thinking of a 182 game season instead of a 162. :D

Nymfan87
06-21-2012, 09:50 PM
After the Phillies were eliminated from the playoffs last year, I semi-jokingly told my friend that they weren't going to make it at all in 2012 because they've gone WS win->WS loss->NLCS loss->NLDS loss, so the next step down would be no playoffs. Maybe I'll be right.

zala
06-22-2012, 07:53 AM
In NL East race Phillies should overtake four teams.
In NL WC race Phillies should overtake six teams (six of Mets, Braves, Fish, Pirates, Cards, Giants, Dbacks).
Not happening. Perhaps 1-3 teams lost most of their games but it is not enough.

waveycrockett
06-22-2012, 09:32 AM
I dont see it this year

long ball
06-22-2012, 12:02 PM
Probably not

NYMETS2889
06-22-2012, 12:24 PM
Not impossible and i know a lot of phillies fans will look at the cards from last year and say see it can happen-thats an outlier

and even looking at the 07 team-there is a major difference not only do the phillies need catch fire-they need a lot of other teams to stumble which makes it more difficult

id say no as of right now