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j-bay
06-20-2012, 11:17 PM
AL: Will Middlebrooks
NL: Bryce Harper

Eg714
06-20-2012, 11:46 PM
Mike trout will win it hands down troll.

ChiSportsDaily
06-20-2012, 11:47 PM
AL: Will Middlebrooks
NL: Bryce Harper

AL: Mike Trout
NL: Bryce Harper

I get you're a Boston fan, but seriously? Middlebrooks over Trout?

Carlznerson
06-20-2012, 11:49 PM
Um No. Harper and Trout have both already won the awards.

metswon69
06-20-2012, 11:52 PM
AL: Mike Trout
NL: Bryce Harper

This.

jbro732
06-20-2012, 11:52 PM
Trout in the AL by alot.

1908_Cubs
06-20-2012, 11:53 PM
Um No. Harper and Trout have both already won the awards.

Probably. Although I think it'll be interesting to keep an eye on Anthony Rizzo with the Cubs. He'll be about a month behind Harper in playing time, but he's got 3 months to stake a claim to it.

If Harper misses, say, 3-4 weeks with a strain and/or goes on a cold spurt, if Rizzo comes up and is the real deal, there could be a question about it.

Though early frontrunner is clearly Bryce Harper. And more than likely will remain as such.

Twitchy
06-20-2012, 11:55 PM
Probably. Although I think it'll be interesting to keep an eye on Anthony Rizzo with the Cubs. He'll be about a month behind Harper in playing time, but he's got 3 months to stake a claim to it.

If Harper misses, say, 3-4 weeks with a strain and/or goes on a cold spurt, if Rizzo comes up and is the real deal, there could be a question about it.

Though early frontrunner is clearly Bryce Harper. And more than likely will remain as such.

That would be pretty impressive of Anthony Rizzo to win a Rookie Of The Year award when he's not eligible to be a rookie. He had 49 games and 128 AB's. I'm fairly positive anything > 45 days of service would mean he's not eligible to win the award, as per mlb.com. So if 49 games = 45 or more days of service, he's out of luck.

I'd bet on Harper/Trout as well.

Dark Donnie
06-20-2012, 11:58 PM
Middlebrooks over Trout? :laugh2:

1908_Cubs
06-21-2012, 12:00 AM
That would be pretty impressive of Anthony Rizzo to win a Rookie Of The Year award when he's not eligible to be a rookie. He had 49 games and 128 AB's. Aren't those both above the ROTY limits?

Incorrect. He's under both the games requirement and the AB requirement.

You must spend 45 days on the active roster during the 25 man time period. A lot of his time spent on the MLB roster was in September, during the 40 man period. He was on the MLB roster from June 9 through July. And then again when rosters expanded.

You must also have under 130 AB's. He's got 128. Rizzo is still a rookie.


A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

Like I said I'd still put HEAVY money on Harper, but I don't think Rizzo challenging him is out of the question. He's going to get his AB's on a really bad Cubs team. He's certainly got the talent to challenge.

Carlznerson
06-21-2012, 12:04 AM
Harper is literally the only run producer in the Nats lineup as of now besides Ian Desmond so I assume his stats will only jump due to Zimmerman, Morse and LaRoche finding an eventual groove.

Twitchy
06-21-2012, 12:06 AM
Incorrect. He's under both the games requirement and the AB requirement.

You must spend 45 days on the active roster during the 25 man time period. Most of his time spent on the MLB roster was in September, during the 40 man period.

You must also have under 130 AB's. He's got 128. Rizzo is still a rookie.



Like I said I'd still put HEAVY money on Harper, but I don't think Rizzo challenging him is out of the question. He's going to get his AB's on a really bad Cubs team. He's certainly got the talent to challenge.

I would think a guy who posted a 500 OPS last season in the majors would have a fair amount of trouble catching up with Bryce Harper and his near 900 OPS. I wouldn't give it to Rizzo for the play time difference alone. Harper's already got a 45 game advantage which is pretty significant. Hell I'd give it to Cozart before I give it to Rizzo even if he's a 900 OPS guy over the next 3 months. He's on pace for what, a 4 WAR season? That's a lot better than what Rizzo could do over the next 2-3 months.

RTL
06-21-2012, 12:07 AM
I would be very surprised if Rizzo challenged Harper for ROY.

1908_Cubs
06-21-2012, 12:09 AM
I would think a guy who posted a 500 OPS last season in the majors would have a fair amount of trouble catching up with Bryce Harper and his near 900 OPS. I wouldn't give it to Rizzo for the play time difference alone. Harper's already got a 45 game advantage which is pretty significant. Hell I'd give it to Cozart before I give it to Rizzo even if he's a 900 OPS guy over the next 3 months. He's on pace for what, a 4 WAR season? That's a lot better than what Rizzo could do over the next 2-3 months.

I mean like I said, you'd need an injury/bad drought from Harper.

Also, Rizzo is nothing like he was last year. Just about everyone has commented on his shorter swing. He's also hitting far better against LHP than he did last year in the minors. Plus, he's not going to be in Petco. I wouldn't use anything he did last season as an indication of what he's going to do this year.

You give me 3 months of .900 OPS over what Cozart has done. But I'd say that about any rookie, realistically.

It's still going to be Harper's trophy as long as he stays healthy/avoids a month long slump. All I said was if Harper gets hurt/has extended slump, not to count out Rizzo.

1908_Cubs
06-21-2012, 12:14 AM
I guess what I'm saying is this:

1) If Harper is healthy and avoids an extended slump he's going to win hands down
2) If Rizzo comes up at .900 OPS he'll be someone who can challenge him if number 1 doesn't come through.

I'm not saying in any fashion that Rizzo is going to challenge him as long as Harper continues. He's got it hands down.

VRP723
06-21-2012, 12:17 AM
Elian Herrera and Elian Herrera again probably, they'll give him both.

popo85
06-21-2012, 12:18 AM
Mike trout will win it hands down troll.

Seriously, he must not watch any other chanels then NESN.:facepalm:

sexicano31
06-21-2012, 12:38 AM
God damn Jbay, trolling up a storm

j-bay
06-21-2012, 01:24 AM
I havn't been keeping an eye on the Angels at all

LASportsFan1996
06-21-2012, 01:25 AM
Middlebrooks? :laugh: Trout By A-Lot... Troll On Buddy
Like Me Saying Elian Herrera Will Win Nl ROY :laugh

popo85
06-21-2012, 01:26 AM
Middlebrooks? :laugh: Trout By A-Lot
Like Me Saying Elian Herrera Will Win Nl ROY :laugh

This:clap:

LASportsFan1996
06-21-2012, 01:27 AM
Elian Herrera and Elian Herrera again probably, they'll give him both.

^

sexicano31
06-21-2012, 01:39 AM
i havn't been keeping an eye on the angels at all

shocking

HickCaesar
06-21-2012, 01:43 AM
I don't think he'll win it, but Andrelton Simmons already has half the WAR that Harper does in under 1/3 the plate appearances.

He's definitely playing above his head offensively, but I do think he's among the best defensive shortstops in the league already.

iam brett favre
06-21-2012, 01:44 AM
AL - Cody Eppley

LASportsFan1996
06-21-2012, 01:56 AM
shocking

:laugh:


AL - Cody Eppley

..............................:eyebrow:

RaiderKid318
06-21-2012, 02:06 AM
lol unless an injury happens AL and NL already have their ROY winners in trout and harper. If someone comes out of left field and robs them of it then those guys are gonna have to have a stellar next 3 months.

Toxeryll
06-21-2012, 02:07 AM
rizzo is overrated

RaiderKid318
06-21-2012, 02:08 AM
I don't think he'll win it, but Andrelton Simmons already has half the WAR that Harper does in under 1/3 the plate appearances.

He's definitely playing above his head offensively, but I do think he's among the best defensive shortstops in the league already.

lol we got no chance my man, no chance.

cubbiefan_est88
06-21-2012, 02:15 AM
rizzo is overrated

Oh please elaborate.

KingPosey
06-21-2012, 02:32 AM
Middlebrooks? hahahaha wow Im shocked.


Trout and Harper. They have the flash, the media, and the league backing as well as the actually tools and numbers. Its an easy choice to see who the favorites are.

KingPosey
06-21-2012, 02:33 AM
Probably. Although I think it'll be interesting to keep an eye on Anthony Rizzo with the Cubs. He'll be about a month behind Harper in playing time, but he's got 3 months to stake a claim to it.

If Harper misses, say, 3-4 weeks with a strain and/or goes on a cold spurt, if Rizzo comes up and is the real deal, there could be a question about it.

Though early frontrunner is clearly Bryce Harper. And more than likely will remain as such.

lol god people are such homers on PSD.

KingPosey
06-21-2012, 02:37 AM
All Im saying is:

If my teams rookie comes up, and puts up allstar numbers, look out.

LASportsFan1996
06-21-2012, 03:01 AM
What

Pinstripe pride
06-21-2012, 07:45 AM
derek jeter

LASportsFan1996
06-21-2012, 07:49 AM
....

Boston-Born
06-21-2012, 08:18 AM
All Im saying is:

If my teams rookie comes up, and puts up allstar numbers, look out.

:laugh:

NYMets0507
06-21-2012, 11:20 AM
Trout and Harper AINEC

Rivera
06-21-2012, 11:22 AM
Will Middlebrooks! Will Middlebrooks for AL ROY!!!! But im also being a homer still want middlebrook to win though

kingjaymes23
06-21-2012, 11:46 AM
Will Middlebrooks! Will Middlebrooks for AL ROY!!!! But im also being a homer still want middlebrook to win though

No way Trout doesn't get it. He doesn't just have the numbers for ROY, he has the numbers to be an All Star this season. Batting nearly .340 with 19 stolen bases, 6 HR's, 28 RBI's in 48 games. Also with the Trout vs. Harper debates that have been going on, I doubt that anybody other than those two even get close to winning in their respective leagues

VRP723
06-21-2012, 11:50 AM
All Im saying is:

If my teams rookie comes up, and puts up allstar numbers, look out.

:laugh2:

1908_Cubs
06-21-2012, 12:10 PM
lol god people are such homers on PSD.

Did you read any of my posts, or just ignored them all?

My only point was watch out for the best hitting minor leaguer thus far if Harper stumbles. Oh man, what a homer post that was! Especially considering I said, oh, about 5 times, Harper's going to win it as long as he stays healthy and avoids a month long skid.

Pretty simple logic behind my posts.

1903
06-21-2012, 12:18 PM
I agree with the OP, Middlecock will win.

NY_Heartbreak
06-21-2012, 12:20 PM
This has already been decided in the minds of every voter. It's Trout/Harper.

They've been billed as the competing superstars of the AL/NL for the next 15 years.

1908_Cubs
06-21-2012, 12:23 PM
This has already been decided in the minds of every voter. It's Trout/Harper.

They've been billed as the competing superstars of the AL/NL for the next 15 years.
That's the other part.

It almost might not matter what anyone does. Voters kind of gave it to Harper and Trout, probably, the second they came up.

metswon69
06-21-2012, 12:25 PM
That's the other part.

It almost might not matter what anyone does. Voters kind of gave it to Harper and Trout, probably, the second they came up.

They are deserved by the numbers at this point though too, although the hype does play a huge part in it they are putting up fantastic numbers for kids so young.

NY_Heartbreak
06-21-2012, 12:26 PM
Yes, there is a ton of hype over Trout/Harper, but you're right. They have been killing the ball.

Rivera
06-21-2012, 12:55 PM
No way Trout doesn't get it. He doesn't just have the numbers for ROY, he has the numbers to be an All Star this season. Batting nearly .340 with 19 stolen bases, 6 HR's, 28 RBI's in 48 games. Also with the Trout vs. Harper debates that have been going on, I doubt that anybody other than those two even get close to winning in their respective leagues

I guess you missed the part where i said i was being a homer

Jeffy25
06-21-2012, 12:56 PM
You guys realize that Lance Lynn is still a rookie, right?

Unless he topped 45 days last year, and I'm not sure if he did or not.

NY_Heartbreak
06-21-2012, 01:03 PM
No, Lynn is still a rookie.

He obviously deserves consideration, but Harper has almost a .900 OPS as a 19 year old. And he's come up big in several late game situations for Washington already.

Jeffy25
06-21-2012, 01:09 PM
If Lynn is a rookie

10-3, 2.80 ERA
2.87 FIP, 3.28 xFIP
2.1 fWAR, 1.33 WPA, 2.0 rWAR
88.2 IP, 9.35 K/9 , 3.01 BB/9, 3.10 K/BB

Doesn't have Harper's hype, but has been more valuable

VRP723
06-21-2012, 01:25 PM
Lynn is a rookie, he and Wade Miley have been pretty damn awesome

Carlznerson
06-21-2012, 01:55 PM
If Lynn is a rookie

10-3, 2.80 ERA
2.87 FIP, 3.28 xFIP
2.1 fWAR, 1.33 WPA, 2.0 rWAR
88.2 IP, 9.35 K/9 , 3.01 BB/9, 3.10 K/BB

Doesn't have Harper's hype, but has been more valuable

No. Harper is literally our entire offense and has been since he's come up. Look up and down our lineup for evidence not sure if anyone else is batting over .260.

Jeffy25
06-21-2012, 01:57 PM
No. Harper is literally our entire offense and has been since he's come up. Look up and down our lineup for evidence not sure if anyone else is batting over .260.

And Lynn has been the Cardinals entire pitching rotation, so?

Value is not based on the players counterparts.

Lynn is basically double Harper in WAR thus far.

Jeffy25
06-21-2012, 01:58 PM
You have to assume Harper and Trout will win if they play out the year anywhere close to the level they have been playing thus far.

I am not saying they should win. I am saying they will win.

RTL
06-21-2012, 02:00 PM
Lynn is not a rookie. Too many days on the 25 man roster.

Jeffy25
06-21-2012, 02:02 PM
Lynn is not a rookie. Too many days on the 25 man roster.

That's what I am asking.

He is listed as a rookie on a number of sites and drop down boxes.

But he came up last June and didn't leave until sometime in August. So it's hard to tell by just looking at his game logs. The cut off is 45 days.

Carlznerson
06-21-2012, 02:04 PM
He was on the 25-man from June 2 until August 9 and pitched like 34.2 innings (doesn't exceed limit) but MLB.com still has him listed as a rookie

RTL
06-21-2012, 02:08 PM
By my count, he exceeded the 45 day limit last year. Remember he spent time on the DL last year.

Jeffy25
06-21-2012, 02:09 PM
He was on the 25-man from June 2 until August 9 and pitched like 34.2 innings (doesn't exceed limit) but MLB.com still has him listed as a rookie

That, like Alexi Ogando last year, would make him ineligible

Jeffy25
06-21-2012, 02:09 PM
By my count, he exceeded the 45 day limit last year. Remember he spent time on the DL last year.

When was that btw? I don't remember lol

RTL
06-21-2012, 02:15 PM
When was that btw? I don't remember lol

It was around mid-August. I remember because they said it would possibly be a season ending oblique injury.

CarniifeX
06-21-2012, 02:23 PM
Harper and Trout

Mike Trout has the 6th highest WAR in the league and has played nearly 20 less games than most others. Hell, Trout could even be in the MVP discussion.

Jeffy25
06-21-2012, 02:31 PM
It was around mid-August. I remember because they said it would possibly be a season ending oblique injury.

yup, you are right.

He shouldn't count then. You can remove him from this discussion lol

Fly
06-21-2012, 02:44 PM
Harper and Trout

HickCaesar
06-21-2012, 03:37 PM
lol we got no chance my man, no chance.

I know, I just wanted his name to be in the thread :p

kingjaymes23
06-22-2012, 11:06 AM
Harper and Trout

Mike Trout has the 6th highest WAR in the league and has played nearly 20 less games than most others. Hell, Trout could even be in the MVP discussion.

Yeah I don't think it is even a question if Trout keeps playing the way he is. Middlebrooks has played good, but not to the level that Trout has been playing

KingPosey
06-22-2012, 11:36 AM
Did you read any of my posts, or just ignored them all?

My only point was watch out for the best hitting minor leaguer thus far if Harper stumbles. Oh man, what a homer post that was! Especially considering I said, oh, about 5 times, Harper's going to win it as long as he stays healthy and avoids a month long skid.

Pretty simple logic behind my posts.

There isnt much logic to saying watch out for this guy for rookie of the year, IF he even comes up because he hasnt yet, and IF he hits for all star numbers which he hasnt because he isnt even up yet, and IF the leading roy candidate stumbles and gets injured which he hasnt. You didnt even say anything.

You just found a way to sheepishly interject your guy.

KingPosey
06-22-2012, 11:44 AM
yup, you are right.

He shouldn't count then. You can remove him from this discussion lol

And I totally overlooked Lynn, so I feel slightly less guilty now.

What can I say, us chicks dig the long ball.

Jeffy25
06-22-2012, 07:38 PM
The only other guy I think that is even in the discussion could be Quintin Berry of the Tigers, but he only has 100 plate appearances. Maybe Todd Frazier could sneak in too.

But it's Trout and Harper's to lose.

Wade Wiley and Yu Darvish could challenge for it too, but pitchers very rarely are awarded the ROY unless they are really dominant and there isn't a comparable position player.