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h2r09
06-20-2012, 02:17 PM
New Orleans trades Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza to Washington for Rashard Lewis and the #46 pick.

@draftexpress

Good trade by the hornets to rebuild. Lots of cap room after next year.

The Wizards are the worst run team in the league.

nicegoing
06-20-2012, 02:19 PM
How can they do this? Or it will happen?

Hawkeye15
06-20-2012, 02:19 PM
the Wiz take on another year of salary in both players. Why?

JoeDirt05
06-20-2012, 02:19 PM
Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
New Orleans trades Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza to Washington for Rashard Lewis and the #46 pick. (damn you auto-correct)
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spreadeagle
06-20-2012, 02:20 PM
trades....love it!

justinnum1
06-20-2012, 02:20 PM
lol

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 02:20 PM
If Lewis is an expiring probably a good deal.

SlimKid
06-20-2012, 02:20 PM
Why would the Wiz do this??

kdspurman
06-20-2012, 02:21 PM
Wiz could be decent next year

JoeDirt05
06-20-2012, 02:21 PM
wizards are amazing haha

spreadeagle
06-20-2012, 02:21 PM
ariza and okafor are not scrubs, good trade

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 02:21 PM
I guess this means the Wizards are taking Beal :sigh:

Wall
Beal
Ariza/Thompson
Nene
Okafor not bad.

Hawkeye15
06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
If Lewis is an expiring probably a good deal.

He isn't, but the Wiz essentially just took his salary right back on for the 2013-14 season, when he would have been gone, by adding Okafor/Ariza. The Hornets cut a year of salary by taking Lewis.

Not sure why the Wiz make this trade.

h2r09
06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
the wizards honestly have 0 plan to the future. I'm not sure who their gm/president is but he should never be allowed to run a franchise again.

They are turning young players/ expiring deals into older mediocre players with long term contracts. that is basically the opposite of what any rebuilding team should be doing.

a complete joke of a franchise.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
We can amnesty Lewis now or wait till he expires, mmm, sooo much $$$

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
Hornets probably going to draft a big with 10 now?

king4day
06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
I'm surprised Washington didn't ask for more to take on the contracts. But I really like it for the depth and vet experience it will give the Wizards. Add to that the addition of their lottery pick and they're suddenly a pretty rounded out team.

h2r09
06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
I guess this means the Wizards are taking Beal :sigh:

Wall
Beal
Ariza/Thompson
Nene
Okafor not bad.

not good either.

kdspurman
06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
ariza and okafor are not scrubs, good trade

That was my initial thinking too

JoeDirt05
06-20-2012, 02:23 PM
Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Rashard Lewis' 23.8 million dollar contract can be bought out for 13.7 million before July 1st. Trade saves New Orleans around 30 million?

TopsyTurvy
06-20-2012, 02:23 PM
That's a solid trade for both teams.

Hawkeye15
06-20-2012, 02:23 PM
I guess this means the Wizards are taking Beal :sigh:

Wall
Beal
Ariza/Thompson
Nene
Okafor not bad.

you need a shooter next to Wall, I thought the Wiz would target Beal anyways. This for sure means MKG and the bigs are out, Beal looks like the for sure pick for them.

blastmasta26
06-20-2012, 02:23 PM
What are the Wizards doing? What is the incentive here for them, gunning for the 8th seed?

The fact that the Hornets are able to dump two big contracts without giving up anything is a win for them.

RocketsRule
06-20-2012, 02:23 PM
the Wiz take on another year of salary in both players. Why?

Too add talent. Ariza and Okafor are both solid players (though overpaid) and should help the team become more competitive.

I wonder how this move will affect their draft. I feel like they'll pick Beal if he's available now.

h2r09
06-20-2012, 02:23 PM
the hornets better resign kaman now.

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 02:23 PM
We can amnesty Lewis now or wait till he expires, mmm, sooo much $$$

I don't think you can use the amnesty on players who weren't under contract before the rule came in effect.

D12 fan
06-20-2012, 02:24 PM
Wiz looking like a playoff team

Wall
Crawford
Ariza
Nene
Okafor

Losoway
06-20-2012, 02:24 PM
pretty weird trade . but ariza is a good pick up

king4day
06-20-2012, 02:24 PM
We can amnesty Lewis now or wait till he expires, mmm, sooo much $$$

My understanding is you can't amnesty a player unless your the team who signed him. Though I could be wrong.

JWO35
06-20-2012, 02:24 PM
Championship or bust for the Wizards now...

blastmasta26
06-20-2012, 02:24 PM
Wiz looking like a playoff team

Wall
Crawford
Ariza
Nene
Okafor
Looks weak to be honest.

Losoway
06-20-2012, 02:25 PM
heck ....wizards are some what decent now

h2r09
06-20-2012, 02:25 PM
Too add talent. Ariza and Okafor are both solid players (though overpaid) and should help the team become more competitive.

I wonder how this move will affect their draft. I feel like they'll pick Beal if he's available now.
but that is where teams go wrong. is your goal to be competitive or build to win championships. this is basically saying, ya we are fine with being mediocre and maybe being a fringe playoff team.

it is ridiculous. so happy the heat have riley who builds long term and actually has a plan for his franchise.

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:26 PM
Wall
Beal
Ariza
Nene
Okafor


That is a damn good line up

nicegoing
06-20-2012, 02:26 PM
Wizards have Nene and Emeka Okafor now.

Kyben36
06-20-2012, 02:26 PM
after loosing mcgee they need a shot blocker inside, Okafor and Nene could make a nice team down low. Ariza is also an athletic swingman that I really like.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:27 PM
Rashard Lewis' 23.8 million dollar contract can be bought out for 13.7 million before July 1st. Trade saves New Orleans around 30 million?

king4day
06-20-2012, 02:27 PM
you need a shooter next to Wall, I thought the Wiz would target Beal anyways. This for sure means MKG and the bigs are out, Beal looks like the for sure pick for them.

That's if Charlotte doesn't take him. I had a dream last night that they did. So clearly my dream means it'll happen. I'd guess they take Barnes if Beal's off the table?

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:27 PM
Looks weak to be honest.

You forgot they will draft Beal

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 02:27 PM
you need a shooter next to Wall, I thought the Wiz would target Beal anyways. This for sure means MKG and the bigs are out, Beal looks like the for sure pick for them.

Oh I agree the ranked 28th in 3PT% last year, but I thought MKG would be a possibility because of all the effect his intangible qualities can have on that volatile environment.

king4day
06-20-2012, 02:28 PM
Rashard Lewis' 23.8 million dollar contract can be bought out for 13.7 million before July 1st. Trade saves New Orleans around 30 million?

Would you do this though? I feel like unless you're over the cap,there's no reason to overpay for a buyout when you can at least have the player help the team.
Then again, that's about 10mil you'd save. Not chump change.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:28 PM
And my fault I wasn't aware about that part of the rules of amnesty

nycericanguy
06-20-2012, 02:28 PM
WTH is WASH doing? Nene, Ariza, & Okafor? They have become the dumping ground for bad contracts.

Wasn't NOLA willing to trade the #10 pick to any team that took those bad contracts? They convinced WASH to take them WITHOUT the #10 pick?

I mean if you're WASH and you're going to take on bad contracts, shouldn't you try to at least get a better player like a Joe Johnson or Amare? Ariza & Okafor are very average at best, and Nene never even plays...smh...and Okafor next to Nene is a horrible fit.

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 02:28 PM
not good either.

Rome wasn't built in a day my good man, its not like they were using Lewis anyways.

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:28 PM
If Kaman is not resigning, Hornets have a problem

Davis can not play Center in the NBA

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:29 PM
Would you do this though? I feel like unless you're over the cap,there's no reason to overpay for a buyout when you can at least have the player help the team.
Then again, that's about 10mil you'd save. Not chump change.

Deron Williams is a FA.... :p

who knows? Demps is the man with the plan, not me

RocketsRule
06-20-2012, 02:29 PM
My understanding is you can't amnesty a player unless your the team who signed him. Though I could be wrong.

That's correct.


but that is where teams go wrong. is your goal to be competitive or build to win championships. this is basically saying, ya we are fine with being mediocre and maybe being a fringe playoff team.

it is ridiculous. so happy the heat have riley who builds long term and actually has a plan for his franchise.

True, but you have to take in to account that this team has been at the very bottom of the barrel for quite some time now. They haven't even been mediocre. So adding any talent would be a step in the right direction.

Plus, it's not like these contracts are crippling by any means. Only one extra year of salary for Washington.

king4day
06-20-2012, 02:30 PM
And my fault I wasn't aware about that part of the rules of amnesty

The buyout would save them more money anyway since the caphold is likely just for the one year.

Hawkeye15
06-20-2012, 02:30 PM
We can amnesty Lewis now or wait till he expires, mmm, sooo much $$$

you can't amnesty him.

blastmasta26
06-20-2012, 02:31 PM
If Kaman is not resigning, Hornets have a problem

Davis can not play Center in the NBA
Not too much of a problem. They can always sign a stopgap or even play small.

justinnum1
06-20-2012, 02:31 PM
you can't amnesty him.

but they can buy him out before july 1st for 13mil

Hawkeye15
06-20-2012, 02:31 PM
That's if Charlotte doesn't take him. I had a dream last night that they did. So clearly my dream means it'll happen. I'd guess they take Barnes if Beal's off the table?

what a backfire then haha, because Ariza is a SF with 2 more years locked up.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:32 PM
you can't amnesty him.

Yeah, i see

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:32 PM
Wall finally playing with mature professionals

He will beast next year, and Beal will be good next to him

With Nene scoring down low with Ariza and Okafor playing defense

king4day
06-20-2012, 02:32 PM
Deron Williams is a FA.... :p

who knows? Demps is the man with the plan, not me

The scary thing is, if I'm Deron, New Orleans suddenly is an attractive destination. POssibly playing with Gordon, Davis and another young player? Why wouldn't anyone want to do that?

h2r09
06-20-2012, 02:32 PM
since the trade deadline, the wizards have added 107 million in payroll for the future while trading a good young center in mcgee and a huge expiring in Lewis.

And to top it all off, would anybody say that are even a top 6 team in the east right now?

stupid trade, poorly run franchise.

justinnum1
06-20-2012, 02:33 PM
wall
beal
ariza
nene
okafor

is a decent team, i think that can be a 7 or 8 seed in the east

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:33 PM
Not too much of a problem. They can always sign a stopgap or even play small.

Yeah we aren't contending for a title this season, its fine.

PleaseBeNice
06-20-2012, 02:34 PM
More reason to believe Gilchrist or Barnes will drop to the Kings!

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 02:34 PM
He isn't, but the Wiz essentially just took his salary right back on for the 2013-14 season, when he would have been gone, by adding Okafor/Ariza. The Hornets cut a year of salary by taking Lewis.

Not sure why the Wiz make this trade.
Ok good to know thanks. Good trade for the Hornets.


That's if Charlotte doesn't take him. I had a dream last night that they did. So clearly my dream means it'll happen. I'd guess they take Barnes if Beal's off the table?

:puke:


Not too much of a problem. They can always sign a stopgap or even play small.

Or draft Sully.

blastmasta26
06-20-2012, 02:35 PM
since the trade deadline, the wizards have added 107 million in payroll for the future while trading a good young center in mcgee and a huge expiring in Lewis.

And to top it all off, would anybody say that are even a top 6 team in the east right now?

stupid trade, poorly run franchise.
Trading McGee wasn't necessarily a bad move, but taking Nene in the trade was.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:35 PM
The scary thing is, if I'm Deron, New Orleans suddenly is an attractive destination. POssibly playing with Gordon, Davis and another young player? Why wouldn't anyone want to do that?

How would Chris Paul feel? lol

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:36 PM
I see Wizards taking the #7 or #8 seed next year if they draft Beal

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 02:36 PM
How would Chris Paul feel? lol

He has Blake Griffin he's good.

D12 fan
06-20-2012, 02:38 PM
Nevermind I think Nene/Okafor is a bad fit,both are overpaid bigman.

Washington should have just let Rashard expire and get capspace.

h2r09
06-20-2012, 02:38 PM
Trading McGee wasn't necessarily a bad move, but taking Nene in the trade was.

thats what I'm arguing. i have no problem with them trading mcgee, or lewis. it is what they are getting in return. they traded mcgee because they didn't want to pay him big money this offseason, so you take on a guy whose salary is 13 million each of the next 4 years who will probably be worse than mcgee by the end of the deal?

JWO35
06-20-2012, 02:39 PM
If the Wizards are going to make the playoffs John Wall's FG% is going to have to rise about 10%

Tmath
06-20-2012, 02:40 PM
I think this guarantee's Wizards drafting Beal if Charlotte doesn't take him.

Wall
Beal
Ariza
Nene
Okafor

blastmasta26
06-20-2012, 02:41 PM
thats what I'm arguing. i have no problem with them trading mcgee, or lewis. it is what they are getting in return. they traded mcgee because they didn't want to pay him big money this offseason, so you take on a guy whose salary is 13 million each of the next 4 years who will probably be worse than mcgee by the end of the deal?
Yeah, very questionable moves between Nene and now this. These moves are putting them in that dreaded position between the playoffs and the lottery and they're not gonna get to a higher level due to lack of good lottery positioning and cap space.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:41 PM
He has Blake Griffin he's good.

LOL so?? who says he even stays with thr CLippers

smith&wesson
06-20-2012, 02:43 PM
this is actually a good trade for both teams.

the wizards get ariza who can be a solid 3 and add a solid back up to nene in okafor.

wall needs some help. this provides some depth for th wiz.

what were they going to do with reshard lewis and the 2nd round pick really ? atleast they got some talent and depth.

knicksfan42
06-20-2012, 02:44 PM
He isn't, but the Wiz essentially just took his salary right back on for the 2013-14 season, when he would have been gone, by adding Okafor/Ariza. The Hornets cut a year of salary by taking Lewis.

Not sure why the Wiz make this trade.

Eh, the players they received aren't complete ****. Lewis is completely useless at this point. The Wizards have some chance at making the playoffs now.

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:44 PM
No free agents were going to sign with Washington

Why not get what you can and try to make the playoffs!!!

If they draft Beal they have a chance to be good

DeRaptor95
06-20-2012, 02:44 PM
Washington should had amnestied rashard lewis instead of taking a overpriced bigman. Maybe its part of the plan for a mentor for drummond

spreadeagle
06-20-2012, 02:46 PM
People are saying cap space would be better, but they would have not landed anyone on that bad of a team...I like trading for good players with long contracts for a team like them, they may not win a ring but they will AT LEAST be relevant which will help attract F.A's in the future

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:46 PM
People act like good Free Agents are going to come to the Wizards

Why not get players by trade, they freaking traded the most paid player in the NBA Lewis that is useless

Now they have a good future IF THEY DRAFT BEAL

spreadeagle
06-20-2012, 02:46 PM
No free agents were going to sign with Washington

Why not get what you can and try to make the playoffs!!!

If they draft Beal they have a chance to be good

exactly

D12 fan
06-20-2012, 02:49 PM
I think this will start off a lot of trades especially on draft night.

Sadds The Gr8
06-20-2012, 02:50 PM
decent trade for both.

ReedBoshMarleau
06-20-2012, 02:51 PM
Chris Paul back to New Orleans :O

John Walls Era
06-20-2012, 02:52 PM
Wizards are stuck with Nene's big contract. Its not like players are dying to go to Washington, so most likely they are stuck with this team to compete. Worst case scenario would be they fail and end up drafting high again (due to rookie scaling, these 2 contracts won't hurt in the long run).

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:53 PM
The happiest player right now is Wall

He finally has talent around him that is professional!

I expect a huge year from him

John Walls Era
06-20-2012, 02:53 PM
This actually works out kinda nice. Still have #2 pick. Ariza, Okafor and Nene is pretty good frontcout in the east. God forbid they will actually have a decent starting lineup.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 02:55 PM
I wish Ariza and Okafor the best in Washington, they are cool people, both pretty good defensively, and they can help Wall out a bit

Corey
06-20-2012, 02:56 PM
the wizards honestly have 0 plan to the future. I'm not sure who their gm/president is but he should never be allowed to run a franchise again.

They are turning young players/ expiring deals into older mediocre players with long term contracts. that is basically the opposite of what any rebuilding team should be doing.

a complete joke of a franchise.ironic, considering what you did with them in the mock last year..

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showpost.php?p=18285683&postcount=32

LTBaByyy
06-20-2012, 02:57 PM
If Charlotte drafts Beal, this will backfire and be a bad move

If Charlotte drafts Robinson or MKG, and Wizards draft Beal this the best move in the world!!!! Because no free agents are coming to Washington and now have a competitive team

If they all play to their potential and get serious they can make 6-8 seed in the East

Sadds The Gr8
06-20-2012, 03:02 PM
ironic, considering what you did with them in the mock last year..

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showpost.php?p=18285683&postcount=32

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

rapjuicer06
06-20-2012, 03:03 PM
I actually love this trade for the Wizards. Explosive PG, Wing defender and a defender of the paint. A PF who has a good post game. If they pick up Beal, they have a legit shot at competing and giving teams major problems in the playoffs. That team matches up with the Heat pretty well. If Wall takes the next step, I can see this being a 45+ win team next year if they get Beal or Barnes

Sadds The Gr8
06-20-2012, 03:03 PM
8th seed at best IMO.

rapjuicer06
06-20-2012, 03:04 PM
Depending on Walls development, I can see them really giving teams fits defensively. If they bring in Barnes or Beal, they'll have someone to score.

h2r09
06-20-2012, 03:08 PM
ironic, considering what you did with them in the mock last year..

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showpost.php?p=18285683&postcount=32

1, that isn't the end team.
2, i only had control of them for the 2nd half of that mock. i didn't trade mcgee or the other first few trades.
3. most of those free agent deals i did were 1 year deals.

not to mention i did a damn good job with that draft and that team has a lot of good young talent.

GoferKing_
06-20-2012, 03:08 PM
Well, I think that this is a trade that makes Wizards a Play-Off team (range 5-8). Good big, lots of weapons, Wall, they will be dangerous.

jp611
06-20-2012, 03:08 PM
Why lol

goose14741
06-20-2012, 03:13 PM
Theres always more to trades then ppl think. The wiz have been lacking bigs and ppl who can share the ball. Ariza can share and a frontcourt with ariza nene and okafor is an improvement. And for the hornets, obv they arent keeping lewis. They will buy him out before july 1st for 13.5 mil. This saves the hornets 30 mil in cap space. They can now build around gordon, davis, the number 10 pick and kaman if they kerp him. Plus 35 million to spend on free agents. Cp3 return?

Jint.
06-20-2012, 03:14 PM
good for the Wiz

stuckyfreshhh
06-20-2012, 03:15 PM
I think they'll take Beal and with him they'll be able to compete for a 7-8 seed but honestly at this point I think the best move they could make would be to move down with Portland... hear me out.

Bringing in Okafor and Ariza will surround Wall with at least competent NBA talent that should help his development. With this trade we've gotten better for the present, next season. If we could move down with Portland and nab 6 and 11 that would give the wiz a chnace to take two lottery caliber players whom they can develop and hopefully continue to build for the future while remaining relevant right now. It's also a good move because J.Wall needed to be around some legit professionals not that McGee, Nick Young, Blatche, J.Crawford bull ish...

This is largely considered a 6 player draft so we could still get a tier 2 player at 6 (tier 1 obviously only A.Davis) and then we could grab a quality SG with the 11th pick either Lamb or Rivers.

Wall/Mack
Lamb/Crawford
Ariza/Barnes??(whoever is there at 6)/Singleton
Nene/Booker/Vessly
Oakafor/Seraphin

Competitive now but also have a nice core of Wall, Lamb, Barnes?, Vessly, and Seraphin to build around going forward.

Da Knicks
06-20-2012, 03:17 PM
I like the trade for both teams Okafor and Ariza are going to bring more leadership and maturity to a team that was full of clowns. Bringing the extra money is not a big deal since this team needs to get some wins and wont contend for chip right away anyways. Walls confidence needs some restoring...

HouRealCoach
06-20-2012, 03:17 PM
Good trade imo

Hopefully John Wall will hit stardome this year

black1605
06-20-2012, 03:20 PM
Washington should have either included Blatche in the deal, or asked for the tenth pick. This really doesn't make sense to me.

xabial
06-20-2012, 03:20 PM
ariza and okafor are not scrubs, good trade

Nobody is saying they are scrubs.

Arizza is an overratedd ball-hogg chuccckkaa inefficent, with fgg% that will make any coach cringe. Good defender though. Nightmare contract owed $7,258,960 in 2012 and $7,727,280 on a player option he would be stupid to reject.

Okefar's contract is Ludicrous. $13,640,000 in 2012-2013 and
2013-14: $14,637,500. Thats basically Tyson Chandler Money.
Good Defender though. Sucked Last year because he was Very Injury Prone.

h2r09
06-20-2012, 03:23 PM
the only things that are positive about this for the wizards is that they now are more experienced around wall and that they can amnesty blatche.

raptor fan
06-20-2012, 03:23 PM
i mean wow, this is a bad deal for the wizards. Things couldn't have worked out any better for the hornets; they got rid of those bad contracts, and kept their 10th pick. This deal was good for 2 teams: the hornets and the cavaliers. It seems all but certain that the wizards are going to take Beal, which leaves the cavs with a really good shot at getting MKG at 4.

With the hornets at 10, they'll probably go with a guy like Meyers Leonard or Damian Lillard if he's available.

NYMetropolitans
06-20-2012, 03:25 PM
Pretty fair trade in my opinion, if the Wizards pick up some good bench players they could fight for no. 8 seed...which would be progress...and the Hornets get what they want if they cut Ariza...cap space.

Fly
06-20-2012, 03:28 PM
The Washington Wizards have reached an agreement with the New Orleans Hornets on a trade to acquire Hornets center Emeka Okafor, according to sources close to the process.

The Wizards will get Okafor and Hornets forward Trevor Ariza for Rashard Lewis and Washington's No. 46 pick in next week's draft.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8077486/sources-washington-wizards-get-new-orleans-hornets-emeka-okafor-trevor-ariza-rashard-lewis-pick

Punk
06-20-2012, 03:29 PM
Great trade for the Wizards. Seriously, everyone here shows why fans are not GMs. The Wizards have Wall and will now add Beal. This trade adds some positive vets to put along side Wall and Beal. Fixes the holes at SF, C and moves Nene to PF which means less risk of injury.

They should just suck for the next 5 years until Nene is old and Wall walks away? That must be soo much better right ?

h2r09
06-20-2012, 03:29 PM
Great trade for the Wizards. Seriously, everyone here shows why fans are not GMs. The Wizards have Wall and will now add Beal. This trade adds some positive vets to put along side Wall and Beal.

They should just suck for the next 5 years until Nene is old and Wall walks away? That must be sook much better right ?

how about not add nene in the first place?

Dade County
06-20-2012, 03:31 PM
I guess this means the Wizards are taking Beal :sigh:

Wall
Beal
Ariza/Thompson
Nene
Okafor not bad.

I think this unit can give the pacers and 76ers a run for their money bought time the playoffs come around next year.

If they can get Crawford at the 2 spot and maybe Nash as backup pg, this can be a very cool team to watch.

Fly
06-20-2012, 03:31 PM
Woops, didn't notice the other thread :/ Sorry guys

popo85
06-20-2012, 03:32 PM
Nene and Okafor a good defensive front line.

driz
06-20-2012, 03:35 PM
They unload a huge contract that did nothing for them in Lewis, a 2nd round pick which is most likely going to yield nothing but a bench player...and in return snag up 2 highly suitable starters! Sure, every contract involved is somewhat bloated...but look around the league! They almost all are!!!

Wall
Ariza
Okafor
Nene

This 4 sounds damn good in my opinion.

Vinylman
06-20-2012, 03:37 PM
If Kaman is not resigning, Hornets have a problem

Davis can not play Center in the NBA

jason smith will be the starter...

no need for kaman

idrinkpepsi
06-20-2012, 03:38 PM
Stellar trade for the Hornets, if they buyout Rashard they save almost 30 million dollars. On top of that they'll have tons of room and the beginnings of a young core.

Carlznerson
06-20-2012, 03:39 PM
but that is where teams go wrong. is your goal to be competitive or build to win championships. this is basically saying, ya we are fine with being mediocre and maybe being a fringe playoff team.

it is ridiculous. so happy the heat have riley who builds long term and actually has a plan for his franchise.

Hahahahahaha.

Signing the big 3 was definitely such a thought out, tough run long term plan right?

This trade is a win-win for both sides. New Orleans frees up **** tons of space. Like others have said no one wants to sign in Washington so the space really means nothing to D.C. The Wizards surround Wall with actual basketball players now and makes the draft easier for them. The Wizards aren't contending for a playoff spot for what 2-5 years? So the 2-3 years of Okafor and Ariza means nothing but giving Wall some talent to maybe help his confidence.

Gritz
06-20-2012, 03:40 PM
Best trade since the trade deadline

Vinylman
06-20-2012, 03:42 PM
Washington should had amnestied rashard lewis instead of taking a overpriced bigman. Maybe its part of the plan for a mentor for drummond

what is the point of amnestying a guy when you aren't over the LT threshold?

dude has a buyout which they could have used...

blatche is the guy that will get amnestied if anyone

Chronz
06-20-2012, 03:42 PM
I like the trade for both teams. Moreso for the Hornets but this isnt a horrible move for Washington. They could make the playoffs next year.

Shkelqim
06-20-2012, 03:42 PM
This is a great trade for Wizards actually lol. Wall Ariza Okeafor Nene. I wanted the sixers to trade for Nene so bad last year.

topdog
06-20-2012, 03:49 PM
I actually kind of like it for the Wiz. For one thing, they want to make sure Wall develops right and to show him that they are committed to winning.

Especially for the East, this isn't a bad starting 5: Wall-Beal?-Ariza-Okafor-Nene
Everyone currently on the roster (except for amnesty candidate Blatche) is on a cheap rookie contract for 2 more year.

D12 fan
06-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Don't bash me but if you're NewOrleans why not trade the #1 pick for Dwight,then resign Gordon and get Dwill to come to Nola.

Dwill
Gordon
Aminu
Landry
Dwight

Is a contender out west.

justinnum1
06-20-2012, 03:50 PM
mia
ind
bos(if kg returns)
NY
ATL
orl
chi
was

is how i see the east next year...drop boston down to 6th if kg doesnt return

jrm2054
06-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Good for NO they get tons of cap now

Laces-Out
06-20-2012, 03:51 PM
I smell stern

Punk
06-20-2012, 03:53 PM
You have to put vets that can win around a lottery talent like Wall. The Wiz are avoiding another team of McGee, Young, Blatche, etc. Considering the Wizards looked like a pretty good team post Nene, McGee trade. Providing Okafor and Nene stay healthy, they will be a potential playoff team.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 03:54 PM
I smell stern

What kind of cologne is he wearing?
And I don't smell Stern, since he doesn't own the Hornets anymore, this is all Benson now... officially.

njnets
06-20-2012, 03:54 PM
NO can buy him out or they can possibly try to trade him for an ok player that another team is trying to get rid of. they will have a lot of cap space next season if they just hold onto him.

3ddiiee
06-20-2012, 03:58 PM
i wish ariza and okafor the best in washington, they are cool people, both pretty good defensively, and they can help wall out a bit

this

Punk
06-20-2012, 04:00 PM
mia
ind
bos(if kg returns)
NY
ATL
orl
chi
was

is how i see the east next year...drop boston down to 6th if kg doesnt return

Hibbert unsigned, Rose out, Deng trade potentially?, Dwight in limbo, Dwill in limbo, Iggy trade potentially or Turner, Boston rebuild?, Josh Smith trade? A lot of question marks. With that, my East bracket is:

Miami
NY
IND
CHI
ATL
PHI
BOS
WAS

Boston, Orlando, Brooklyn with the biggest question marks.

RLundi
06-20-2012, 04:03 PM
@draftexpress

Good trade by the hornets to rebuild. Lots of cap room after next year.

The Wizards are the worst run team in the league.

Lol I love it how your average Joe posters think they are smarter or better at evaluating talent or more competent than guys with MBAs, doctorate degrees and actual experience.

Oh, to be an armchair GM.

b1e9a8r5s
06-20-2012, 04:04 PM
What are the Wizards doing? What is the incentive here for them, gunning for the 8th seed?

The fact that the Hornets are able to dump two big contracts without giving up anything is a win for them.

Changing the culture. Getting some pros in there to show the young guys how to be in the nba.

jbader09
06-20-2012, 04:05 PM
Y would they want to be the 8th seed in the playoffs, so they can feel good about themselves before getting swept by the Heat. You either have to be really bad or title contenders otherwise ur stuck in mediocrity. Imagine if the wizards suck again this year and get another top 5 pick to compliment wall and this years pick (be it beal or whoever) just like the thunder did with durant, westbrook and harden how much better their team would b.

Punk
06-20-2012, 04:05 PM
So the Wis rotation will be:

Wall/Mack
Beal?/Crawford
Ariza/Singleton/Vesley
Nene/Booker
Okafor/Saraphin

Blatche will be cut.

That's a great core for Wall to work in.

NYMetros
06-20-2012, 04:06 PM
Hate this trade for Washington. What are they doing?

celtNYpatsHeels
06-20-2012, 04:08 PM
NO is in good shape. They will buy out Lewis that will allow to re-sign Gordon and still have tons of cap space.

justinnum1
06-20-2012, 04:10 PM
Hibbert unsigned, Rose out, Deng trade potentially?, Dwight in limbo, Dwill in limbo, Iggy trade potentially or Turner, Boston rebuild?, Josh Smith trade? A lot of question marks. With that, my East bracket is:

Miami
NY
IND
CHI
ATL
PHI
BOS
WAS

Boston, Orlando, Brooklyn with the biggest question marks.

no way is NY anything higher than #4

Punk
06-20-2012, 04:11 PM
Y would they want to be the 8th seed in the playoffs, so they can feel good about themselves before getting swept by the Heat. You either have to be really bad or title contenders otherwise ur stuck in mediocrity. Imagine if the wizards suck again this year and get another top 5 pick to compliment wall and this years pick (be it beal or whoever) just like the thunder did with durant, westbrook and harden how much better their team would b.

You do realize what the Thunder did isn't something all teams can do right? They got lucky more than anything. It's thing getting Durant and Green but Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka were wildcards coming into the league.

If Beal pans out to be a Wade caliber player and Wall finally plays to his potential, the Wiz will be higher than a 8th seed. Outside of Miami, Indy, NY, every other team in the East is looking at major roster changes. Washington has a chance.

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 04:12 PM
LOL so?? who says he even stays with thr CLippers

Ironic.


I think they'll take Beal and with him they'll be able to compete for a 7-8 seed but honestly at this point I think the best move they could make would be to move down with Portland... hear me out.

Bringing in Okafor and Ariza will surround Wall with at least competent NBA talent that should help his development. With this trade we've gotten better for the present, next season. If we could move down with Portland and nab 6 and 11 that would give the wiz a chnace to take two lottery caliber players whom they can develop and hopefully continue to build for the future while remaining relevant right now. It's also a good move because J.Wall needed to be around some legit professionals not that McGee, Nick Young, Blatche, J.Crawford bull ish...

This is largely considered a 6 player draft so we could still get a tier 2 player at 6 (tier 1 obviously only A.Davis) and then we could grab a quality SG with the 11th pick either Lamb or Rivers.

Wall/Mack
Lamb/Crawford
Ariza/Barnes??(whoever is there at 6)/Singleton
Nene/Booker/Vessly
Oakafor/Seraphin

Competitive now but also have a nice core of Wall, Lamb, Barnes?, Vessly, and Seraphin to build around going forward.

Trade Vessly and I'm all for it.


how about not add nene in the first place?

Well they're stuck with him now so it doesn't really matter. :shrug:


Don't bash me but if you're NewOrleans why not trade the #1 pick for Dwight,then resign Gordon and get Dwill to come to Nola.

Dwill
Gordon
Aminu
Landry
Dwight

Is a contender out west.

No. Cause it won't happen.

Punk
06-20-2012, 04:15 PM
no way is NY anything higher than #4

Lol Sorry but we sucked for the half of last season and despite all that happened the Knicks were still 2 games back of the 4th seed. If they start out the season with the same 18-6 record that is going to be a team higher than the 4th seed. But key word is IF. You can over look it but NY had the 3rd best NBA record post all star break.

Last team to do that was Indy and a season later, they clinched the 3rd seed.

AsfanSince99
06-20-2012, 04:16 PM
LOL @ Rashard Lewis's contract. The GM who gave him that needs to be fired.

I don't know why everyone's knocking the Wiz. They now have a formidable front line in Okafor, Nene, and Ariza. I like it. This team, if they stay healthy could make the playoffs next season.

b1e9a8r5s
06-20-2012, 04:17 PM
Y would they want to be the 8th seed in the playoffs, so they can feel good about themselves before getting swept by the Heat. You either have to be really bad or title contenders otherwise ur stuck in mediocrity. Imagine if the wizards suck again this year and get another top 5 pick to compliment wall and this years pick (be it beal or whoever) just like the thunder did with durant, westbrook and harden how much better their team would b.

OKC and Chicago were 8 seeds 2 years ago. At some point you have to go for it. You can only lose so much before it starts to effect your players. That team had/has too many knuckleheads that would hurt the development of the young players.

AsfanSince99
06-20-2012, 04:17 PM
NO is in good shape. They will buy out Lewis that will allow to re-sign Gordon and still have tons of cap space.

Only thing is Gordon said he doens't want to re-sign there, unless he changed his mind?

jbader09
06-20-2012, 04:17 PM
You do realize what the Thunder did isn't something all teams can do right? They got lucky more than anything. It's thing getting Durant and Green but Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka were wildcards coming into the league.

If Beal pans out to be a Wade caliber player and Wall finally plays to his potential, the Wiz will be higher than a 8th seed. Outside of Miami, Indy, NY, every other team in the East is looking at major roster changes. Washington has a chance.

I'd rather wait a year and take my chances with a top 5 pick then with Ariza, Okafor and a mid-first rounder. This way you give Beal a year to become a "wade caliber player" and you get another huge potential player to go along with that. I know that its lucky what happened to the thunder but if beal doesn't pan out then the team is bad anyway regardless of this trade.

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 04:18 PM
no way is NY anything higher than #4

:smoking:


You do realize what the Thunder did isn't something all teams can do right? They got lucky more than anything. It's thing getting Durant and Green but Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka were wildcards coming into the league.

If Beal pans out to be a Wade caliber player and Wall finally plays to his potential, the Wiz will be higher than a 8th seed. Outside of Miami, Indy, NY, every other team in the East is looking at major roster changes. Washington has a chance.

Green didn't really pan out, and Harden wasn't that much of a reach but nobody thought he'd be THIS good. I agree with Westbrook and Ibaka though, and Beal will never be a Wade caliber player, think closer to a less athletic Eric Gordon which is still good.

jbader09
06-20-2012, 04:20 PM
OKC and Chicago were 8 seeds 2 years ago. At some point you have to go for it. You can only lose so much before it starts to effect your players. That team had/has too many knuckleheads that would hurt the development of the young players.

Exactly my point, they developed thru the draft with Rose/Noah and Durant/Westbrook/Harden they didn't just take on mediocore players with bad contracts

utl768
06-20-2012, 04:22 PM
i dont understand how this makes any sense for the wizards

mgsports
06-20-2012, 04:24 PM
Blatche to the Rockets then.

RLundi
06-20-2012, 04:25 PM
Hibbert unsigned, Rose out, Deng trade potentially?, Dwight in limbo, Dwill in limbo, Iggy trade potentially or Turner, Boston rebuild?, Josh Smith trade? A lot of question marks. With that, my East bracket is:

Miami
NY
IND
CHI
ATL
PHI
BOS
WAS

Boston, Orlando, Brooklyn with the biggest question marks.

Oh boy, Homer Alert.

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 04:29 PM
I will say if they don't get Beal this deal loses a ton of its appeal.

Cal827
06-20-2012, 04:31 PM
Lol, what the hell... Is javale Mcgee now the gm to the wizards

NYMetros
06-20-2012, 04:33 PM
Lol I love it how your average Joe posters think they are smarter or better at evaluating talent or more competent than guys with MBAs, doctorate degrees and actual experience.

Oh, to be an armchair GM.

Are you not allowed to give your opinion now or something? This is an internet forum, isn't it?

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 04:38 PM
Whoever says that since we made this deal, we have enough to resign Gordon should know, that we were going to anyway, we had enough money for that.

mdm692
06-20-2012, 04:38 PM
We can amnesty Lewis now or wait till he expires, mmm, sooo much $$$

I believe you can only amnesty players that were under contract for your team prior to the new cba. I don't think it applies to players traded. BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 04:40 PM
Only thing is Gordon said he doens't want to re-sign there, unless he changed his mind?

Umm....???
He actually has said he does want to stay with the Hornets, and regardless he wouldn't have a choice since he is a RFA

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 04:40 PM
I believe you can only amnesty players that were under contract for your team prior to the new cba. I don't think it applies to players traded. BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

Na, you're right. i wasnt 100% sure of the amnesty rules, but we CAN buy him out

gbrl
06-20-2012, 04:42 PM
i like it for both but the wiz should of got the 10th as well

RLundi
06-20-2012, 04:45 PM
Are you not allowed to give your opinion now or something? This is an internet forum, isn't it?

Hmm you're contending my statement by asking a question that directly conflicts with your contending my statement.

See how that works?

JeffG20
06-20-2012, 04:55 PM
Only thing is Gordon said he doens't want to re-sign there, unless he changed his mind?

Show 1 article where he actually said that. I mean him and not some writer speculating because I have yet to see it

greg_ory_2005
06-20-2012, 05:05 PM
I like it for the Hornets. Lewis would be a huge expiring and Okafor/Ariza didn't really fit into their long term plans.

$KnicksAndKobe$
06-20-2012, 05:08 PM
Good trade for both teams.

Wiz barely have cap space for this year so adding two good defensive role players for Wall to play with is good for the fans and Wall's development.

As for the Hornets, well it looks like they will save money this year if they decide to buy Lewis out or amnesty him. Davis+Gordon+Cap Space + more time for Aminu and their other draft picks is good for the future.

Dade County
06-20-2012, 05:20 PM
Lol, what the hell... Is javale Mcgee now the gm to the wizards

lol

They are just trying to win some more games, they know they are not contenders right now.

You Know, get your fan base excited... challenge the pacers, 76ers, orlando, Nj, Atl, bucks, detroit, toronto...for a playoff spot.

And Wall might have a big season next year with this new help.

Nighthawk
06-20-2012, 05:38 PM
lol

They are just trying to win some more games, they know they are not contenders right now.

You Know, get your fan base excited... challenge the pacers, 76ers, orlando, Nj, Atl, bucks, detroit, toronto...for a playoff spot.

And Wall might have a big season next year with this new help.

In the EAST where you can grab a playoff spot with a sub .500 record its not that bad a trade for the Wiz. Okafor and Nene should lock the paint up on defense. Ariza is a hell of a wing defender to put on teams best player. And Wall and the 3rd pick should provide offense. I like the direction

j-bay
06-20-2012, 05:38 PM
The Wizards must see it like this: The east is getting stacked. And when you got to face a guy like Lebron 4 times a Season!, then you got to make improvements. When the Zards got Nene, they improved their defense. The Wizards know they can score points but need more defense, just having Nene doesn't help. So you a guy like rashard, who only has 7.8 points per game, and trade him for some help.

My guess the line-up will be
Nene
Okafor
Ariza
Beal
Wall

thats a solid team that could at the highest could be 3rd in the SE divison

j-bay
06-20-2012, 05:41 PM
plus it doesn't hurt the wizards that much they still have pick #32 in the draft along with the 3rd

Cubby
06-20-2012, 05:54 PM
Has anyone seen the FA in two years? That's why the Wizards did this. Save cap space for those free agents.

BSardogan
06-20-2012, 05:59 PM
I see why Washington would do this, because it really gives them a nice mix of veterans/talent.

I do however not know if this is the way to build a contending team over the next few years by taking on big-*** contracts for average players.

But hey, I really, really don't mind. This team is going to be CRAZY on NBA 2K13/NBA Live 13 with that lineup of Wall, Beal, Ariza, Nene and Okafor. :)

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 06:00 PM
Has anyone seen the FA in two years? That's why the Wizards did this. Save cap space for those free agents.

Who's available?

j-bay
06-20-2012, 06:02 PM
Who's available?

Point Guard
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

Steve Blake, L.A. Lakers – $4.0 million – Unrestricted
Rodney Stuckey, Detroit Pistons – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
Luke Ridnour, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Chris Duhon, Orlando Magic – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Isaiah Thomas, Sacramento Kings – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

Dwyane Wade, Miami HEAT – $18.5 million – Early Termination Option ($20.0 million)
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers – $30.5 million – Unrestricted
Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic – $6.2 million – Player Option ($6.6 million)
Vince Carter, Dallas Mavericks – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Rip Hamilton, Chicago Bulls – $5.0 million – Unrestricted
Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.9 million – Unrestricted
Josh Childress, Phoenix Suns – $7.2 million – Early Termination Option ($7.3 million)
Von Wafer, Orlando Magic – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Lance Stephenson, Indiana Pacers – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Malcolm Lee, Minnesota Timberwolves – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Travis Leslie, L.A. Clippers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Small Forward
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

LeBron James, Miami HEAT – $19.1 million – Early Termination Option ($20.6 million)
Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks – $21.3 million – Early Termination Option ($22.6 million)
Rudy Gay, Memphis Grizzlies – $17.9 million – Player Option ($19.3 million)
Danny Granger, Indiana Pacers – $14.0 million – Unrestricted
Luol Deng, Chicago Bulls – $14.3 million – Unrestricted
Caron Butler, L.A. Clippers – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics – $15.3 million – Unrestricted
Shane Battier, Miami HEAT – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Mike Miller, Miami HEAT – $6.2 million – Player Option ($6.6 million)
Hedo Turkoglu, Orlando Magic – $12.0 million – Unrestricted
Tyler Honeycutt, Sacramento Kings – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Trey Thompkins, L.A. Clippers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Power Forward
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

Chris Bosh, Miami HEAT – $19.1 million – Early Termination Option ($20.6 million)
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks – $22.7 million – Unrestricted
Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers – $19.3 million – Unrestricted
Amar’e Stoudemire, New York Knicks – $21.7 million – Early Termination Option ($23.4 million)
Zach Randolph, Memphis Grizzlies – $17.8 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors – $10.8 million – Early Termination Option ($11.5 million)
Udonis Haslem, Miami HEAT – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Jonas Jerebko, Detroit Pistons – $4.5 million – Player Option ($4.5 million)
Channing Frye, Phoenix Suns – $6.4 million – Early Termination Option ($6.8 million)
Chris Andersen, Denver Nuggets – $4.8 million – Unrestricted
Matt Bonner, San Antonio Spurs – $4.0 million – Unrestricted
Jeremy Tyler, Golden State Warriors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Jordan Williams, Brooklyn Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Ryan Reid, Oklahoma City Thunder – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Center
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

Andrew Bogut, Golden State Warriors – $14.0 million – Unrestricted
Marcin Gortat, Phoenix Suns – $7.7 million – Unrestricted
Joel Anthony, Miami HEAT – $3.8 million – Player Option ($3.8 million)
Darko Milicic, Minnesota Timberwolves – $5.7 million – Unrestricted
Jason Smith, New Orleans Hornets – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Hassan Whiteside, Sacramento Kings – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

:whistle:

Cubby
06-20-2012, 06:03 PM
Who's available?

Okafor and Ariza come off the books in 2014 when Ibaka, Harden, Thabo, Lebron, Melo, Gay, Granger, Deng, Bosh, Dirk, Pau, Randolph, Bargs, Gortat, Bogut are free agents.

Cubby
06-20-2012, 06:05 PM
In other words, there are A LOT of SF's and big men available when those two expire. The cap space will be used to replace those two with much better players. Great trade for the Wizards. My goodness, some people are so shortsighted to call this a bad trade.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 06:08 PM
In other words, there are A LOT of SF's and big men available when those two expire. The cap space will be used to replace those two with much better players. Great trade for the Wizards. My goodness, some people are so shortsighted to call this a bad trade.

also the fact they get some good defense. The east is full of some of the best young players in the NBA, you got to keep up with them

Yunqn
06-20-2012, 06:13 PM
The wiz shouldve traded for ariza alone .. Okafor and nene is a horrible front court thats going to stuck together for a while.. Neiter guy is going to space te floor for eachoter or open lanes for wall..

Wall ariza nene and okafor all make the court smaller and all dont have 1 strength or a high ceiling but wall. Beal is nice but this is a draft of boom or bust .. ALOT of prospects noooooo Promises at all..

Vikingfan84
06-20-2012, 06:21 PM
He isn't, but the Wiz essentially just took his salary right back on for the 2013-14 season, when he would have been gone, by adding Okafor/Ariza. The Hornets cut a year of salary by taking Lewis.

Not sure why the Wiz make this trade.

The Wizards obviously are trying to hit a homerun quick. I think with a lineup of:

Wall
Beal
Ariza
Nene
Okafor

could essentially get them into the playoffs. And maybe new scenery will benefit both Ariza and Okafor.

Teeboy1487
06-20-2012, 06:21 PM
Wiz looking like a playoff team

Wall
Crawford
Ariza
Nene
Okafor

I agree. The Wizards are suddenly decent now. Decent trade imo.

Cubby
06-20-2012, 06:27 PM
also the fact they get some good defense. The east is full of some of the best young players in the NBA, you got to keep up with them

Exactly. They just need a good coach to put the pieces together.

Blazers#1Fan
06-20-2012, 06:29 PM
Okafor
NENE/blatche
MKG/Ariza
Crawford
Wall

legit team to me

KobeOwnSU
06-20-2012, 06:37 PM
Good, fair trade for both teams. I love when both teams can work out a deal that is beneficial to all parties.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 06:55 PM
Exactly. They just need a good coach to put the pieces together.

I think Wittman might be a good coach, but i think there were to many its all about me personalities, right now we got rid of most of them, except one.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 06:56 PM
Okafor
NENE/blatche
MKG/Ariza
Crawford
Wall

legit team to me

actually i would get Beal

Cano-Montero...
06-20-2012, 06:56 PM
I believe you can only amnesty players that were under contract for your team prior to the new cba. I don't think it applies to players traded. BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

nope... it applies to all players under contract when the cba was done..so no can amnesty lewis..

j-bay
06-20-2012, 07:01 PM
i would have to say a line up of

Wall
Beal
Ariza
Nene
Okafor

might make this one of the best all-around line-ups in the game. Got alittle of everything in there

greg_ory_2005
06-20-2012, 07:02 PM
Don't sleep on ma boy Vesely. :drool:

Bigbadmoffo
06-20-2012, 07:06 PM
NO making room for a big name. I think they will be scary in a couple years.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 07:07 PM
Don't sleep on ma boy Vesely. :drool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08rirsA8YaM

Cubby
06-20-2012, 07:17 PM
I think Wittman might be a good coach, but i think there were to many its all about me personalities, right now we got rid of most of them, except one.

Sloan and SVG would be good options.

GiantsSwaGG
06-20-2012, 07:18 PM
Who, who & who?

j-bay
06-20-2012, 07:23 PM
Sloan and SVG would be good options.

I know, but the players want Wittman to come back. I think with most of the troublemakers out of the way, Wittman can do his job. He didn't do to bad with the zards.

Cubby
06-20-2012, 07:30 PM
I know, but the players want Wittman to come back. I think with most of the troublemakers out of the way, Wittman can do his job. He didn't do to bad with the zards.

True. Just looking for bigger names is all. They might look to make a splash.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 07:31 PM
here's a letter from the Wizard's owner, Ted Leonsis



Wizards Make a Clever Trade

Posted on June 20, 2012

We added two vets to our team today in exchange for a late second round pick and a player who we were intending to buy out.

All in all, we will enter next season with possibly nine players on their rookie contract, as we have two picks in this coming draft – a high first and a high second round pick.

We will now have the opportunity to surround the young players with five to six seasoned vets. We added Nene last season, and now we have added Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza. All three will play in our rotation next season and are experienced, tough and talented. They are “team first” in attitude kinds of players that have had championship successes – one in college (UConn) and one in the pro ranks (Lakers).

They are all high character people as well and provide us a deep front line. They will also be able to mentor our young players in a positive fashion – and they are all happy to be in DC!

I also am happy that we were able to add these two players because their coming to our team is guaranteed, while playing free agency is a bit more of an unknown outcome. In free agency, you can bid on and recruit players, but since they are unrestricted free agents, they can choose to go wherever they feel is best for their careers and their family life. And to sign them, you must make a long term commitment that could affect your team in the out years of their deals.

These two new players are not signed for the long term – so we can manage our team, retain players and add players in the mid to long term the right way. We still have the draft coming up – and I bet we have some more moves to make before next season.

Stay tuned.
I am happy we were able to turn an expiring contract into very productive players for us next season. Two players with high character, high basketball IQ, winning attitudes and they are both still young players even though they are considered to be seasoned vets. Please help us to welcome them both to Washington, DC!

http://www.tedstake.com/2012/06/20/w...medium=twitter

Blazers#1Fan
06-20-2012, 07:39 PM
i would have to say a line up of

Wall
Beal
Ariza
Nene
Okafor

might make this one of the best all-around line-ups in the game. Got alittle of everything in there

then when ariza gets hurt your gonna use who at SF Jordan Crawford 14ppg and he is young and good cant ruin his growth now then get a SF/SG in MKG to switch out with ariza and Crawford this way you have depth,
a 6'4"-6'5" sg will only be able to play SG, MKG can play SF/SG Crawford cant play SG he's already six 4 six 5

i rather not stunt my young teams growth i'd rather build on it beal will stunt crawfords growth

Okafor
NENE/Blatche
MKG/Ariza
Crawford/MKG
Wall

DenButsu
06-20-2012, 07:40 PM
I'm kind of torn on this one.

The Wiz organization has a rep for being absolutely toxic, so a pretty good case could be made that even if they had cut Lewis and played the FA market they wouldn't have been able to land any talent much better than Okafor and Ariza anyhow. And next year they'll both be expirings which could be valuable trade assets (in other words meaning that ultimately they didn't lose Rashard for nothing).

Still, the name of the game for them seems to me to be doing everything possible to convince Wall to stick around when his rookie contract is up. I'm not sure that this move, as opposed to adding more youth for him to develop with and build the team's future together, accomplishes that goal.

In the end I don't think it'll be as bad as people are panning it for now, but at best it's probably a move that doesn't really accomplish much that benefits the team long term.

Great move for the Hornets, though. If they can keep Gordon around, they'll have a pretty nice young core and tons of flexibility moving forward.

SportsNY
06-20-2012, 07:46 PM
I feel like Washington always acquires good players like this, but once they go there, they suck. Washington i where NBA players go to have their career-lows.

97NYer
06-20-2012, 07:47 PM
This is a great trade for the Wizards in my opinion. I was actually hoping the knicks would trade Amar'e for Arize, Okafor and 10

Korman12
06-20-2012, 07:51 PM
then when ariza gets hurt your gonna use who at SF Jordan Crawford 14ppg and he is young and good cant ruin his growth now then get a SF/SG in MKG to switch out with ariza and Crawford this way you have depth,
a 6'4"-6'5" sg will only be able to play SG, MKG can play SF/SG Crawford cant play SG he's already six 4 six 5

i rather not stunt my young teams growth i'd rather build on it beal will stunt crawfords growth

Okafor
NENE/Blatche
MKG/Ariza
Crawford/MKG
Wall

Completely ignoring the fact that the team drafted, and likes, Jan Vesley last year. Chris Singleton as well.

flatbush knicks
06-20-2012, 07:52 PM
yea dum trade this is almost as bad as the nets trade for g force lmao

nolafan33
06-20-2012, 07:53 PM
Horrible deal for the Wizards.

flatbush knicks
06-20-2012, 07:55 PM
but i do have to say the hornets really shytted on the wizards big time great trade for them does stern still run that team cuz this trade seems a little fishy

DenButsu
06-20-2012, 07:57 PM
I feel like Washington always acquires good players like this, but once they go there, they suck. Washington i where NBA players go to have their career-lows.

Nene played well after the trade (better than he'd been playing for Denver), but we'll see if he sustains that through next season.

I do think the Nene/Okafor frontcourt should be formidable. I'm just not convinced that taking half measures - going from bad to mediocre, essentially - is the best approach for this team right now. After dumping JaVale and Turner, why not complete the blowup and start re-stocking the roster with young talent?

Again, I think it probably goes back to trying to keep Wall, creating a more stable and positive team environment for him in the short term. But for this to backfire would be pretty unsurprising, given Grunfeld's track record.

Welp. We shall see.

C-Wick925
06-20-2012, 08:02 PM
Why cant the pistons pull a two crappy players for one crappy player deal and then amnesty that player and we have 2 scrubs gone at once....

im Jealous hornets...

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-20-2012, 08:03 PM
I like the culture that Ernie Grunfeld is creating there in Washington. Okafor and Ariza are class A guys, and I've heard Nene is the same. Good for the young John Wall.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 08:05 PM
Nene played well after the trade (better than he'd been playing for Denver), but we'll see if he sustains that through next season.

I do think the Nene/Okafor frontcourt should be formidable. I'm just not convinced that taking half measures - going from bad to mediocre, essentially - is the best approach for this team right now. After dumping JaVale and Turner, why not complete the blowup and start re-stocking the roster with young talent?

Again, I think it probably goes back to trying to keep Wall, creating a more stable and positive team environment for him in the short term. But for this to backfire would be pretty unsurprising, given Grunfeld's track record.

Welp. We shall see.

point is
Rashard was on the bench counting his money
McGee was thinking about the 14 mill he thought he thought he should get
and Blatche was always whining and complaining about something

b@llhog24
06-20-2012, 08:12 PM
Point Guard
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

Steve Blake, L.A. Lakers – $4.0 million – Unrestricted
Rodney Stuckey, Detroit Pistons – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
Luke Ridnour, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Chris Duhon, Orlando Magic – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Isaiah Thomas, Sacramento Kings – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

Dwyane Wade, Miami HEAT – $18.5 million – Early Termination Option ($20.0 million)
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers – $30.5 million – Unrestricted
Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic – $6.2 million – Player Option ($6.6 million)
Vince Carter, Dallas Mavericks – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Rip Hamilton, Chicago Bulls – $5.0 million – Unrestricted
Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.9 million – Unrestricted
Josh Childress, Phoenix Suns – $7.2 million – Early Termination Option ($7.3 million)
Von Wafer, Orlando Magic – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Lance Stephenson, Indiana Pacers – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Malcolm Lee, Minnesota Timberwolves – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Travis Leslie, L.A. Clippers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Small Forward
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

LeBron James, Miami HEAT – $19.1 million – Early Termination Option ($20.6 million)
Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks – $21.3 million – Early Termination Option ($22.6 million)
Rudy Gay, Memphis Grizzlies – $17.9 million – Player Option ($19.3 million)
Danny Granger, Indiana Pacers – $14.0 million – Unrestricted
Luol Deng, Chicago Bulls – $14.3 million – Unrestricted
Caron Butler, L.A. Clippers – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics – $15.3 million – Unrestricted
Shane Battier, Miami HEAT – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Mike Miller, Miami HEAT – $6.2 million – Player Option ($6.6 million)
Hedo Turkoglu, Orlando Magic – $12.0 million – Unrestricted
Tyler Honeycutt, Sacramento Kings – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Trey Thompkins, L.A. Clippers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Power Forward
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

Chris Bosh, Miami HEAT – $19.1 million – Early Termination Option ($20.6 million)
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks – $22.7 million – Unrestricted
Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers – $19.3 million – Unrestricted
Amar’e Stoudemire, New York Knicks – $21.7 million – Early Termination Option ($23.4 million)
Zach Randolph, Memphis Grizzlies – $17.8 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors – $10.8 million – Early Termination Option ($11.5 million)
Udonis Haslem, Miami HEAT – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Jonas Jerebko, Detroit Pistons – $4.5 million – Player Option ($4.5 million)
Channing Frye, Phoenix Suns – $6.4 million – Early Termination Option ($6.8 million)
Chris Andersen, Denver Nuggets – $4.8 million – Unrestricted
Matt Bonner, San Antonio Spurs – $4.0 million – Unrestricted
Jeremy Tyler, Golden State Warriors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Jordan Williams, Brooklyn Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Ryan Reid, Oklahoma City Thunder – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Center
(name, team – 2013-14 salary – status)

Andrew Bogut, Golden State Warriors – $14.0 million – Unrestricted
Marcin Gortat, Phoenix Suns – $7.7 million – Unrestricted
Joel Anthony, Miami HEAT – $3.8 million – Player Option ($3.8 million)
Darko Milicic, Minnesota Timberwolves – $5.7 million – Unrestricted
Jason Smith, New Orleans Hornets – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Hassan Whiteside, Sacramento Kings – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

:whistle:

Good luck then.


The wiz shouldve traded for ariza alone .. Okafor and nene is a horrible front court thats going to stuck together for a while.. Neiter guy is going to space te floor for eachoter or open lanes for wall..

Wall ariza nene and okafor all make the court smaller and all dont have 1 strength or a high ceiling but wall. Beal is nice but this is a draft of boom or bust .. ALOT of prospects noooooo Promises at all..

Beal is probably the safest prospect with a high ceiling in this draft.

JeffG20
06-20-2012, 08:16 PM
but i do have to say the hornets really shytted on the wizards big time great trade for them does stern still run that team cuz this trade seems a little fishy

lol nah, sale went official a couple of days ago. no stern deal here

aussie
06-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Not sure if anyone posted this throughout the 14 pages but I just woke up and I'm happy :D

The Hornets will buyout Rashard costing them only 13.7M meaning we save 9M this year, potentially going to be a big FA signing either this year or next.

Most likely will draft Meyers Leonard/Tyler Zeller/Andre Drummond at #10 now, plus with Demps being previously at the Spurs I feel a foreign talent being picked at #46

JeffG20
06-20-2012, 08:29 PM
Not sure if anyone posted this throughout the 14 pages but I just woke up and I'm happy :D

The Hornets will buyout Rashard costing them only 13.7M meaning we save 9M this year, potentially going to be a big FA signing either this year or next.

Most likely will draft Meyers Leonard/Tyler Zeller/Andre Drummond at #10 now, plus with Demps being previously at the Spurs I feel a foreign talent being picked at #46

i'm hoping next. i dont like this FA crop this year

DR_1
06-20-2012, 08:41 PM
What is Washington thinking :facepalm:

Young and Stupid
06-20-2012, 08:51 PM
I really think the Hornets should take a run at teaming up Deron Williams and Dwight Howard. I know that sounds inconceivable -- these are the Hornets we're talking about -- but it's not that far-fetched. They could easily put together a trade package for Howard that doesn't include Eric Gordon (they have his bird rights) involving Anthony Davis and fillers. With some crafty maneuvering, they would be able to fit Deron Williams' max contract in with Gordon's cap-hold. The issue is that another team might float an offer sheet at Gordon to prevent the Hornets from managing all this. Timing would be crucial.

**Note: I'm a Nets fan. It is not in my best interest for the Hornets to get Williams and Howard.

JasonJohnHorn
06-20-2012, 08:52 PM
WTF would NO make this trade. They are giving away two talented players to take back a player they plan on buying out?

Look, I understand that they will be paying Lewis less money in one year than they would have paid Okafor and Arize in two years, but seriously? They are getting nothing back on this deal? A second round pick? Seriously? Okafor could have provided some mentoring to Davis and whoever they pick a 10, and he would also be an insurance policy incase either one is a bust. And Ariza, even if he's backing up a SF or SG, at least gives the team some depth, which they are sorely lacking.

This is what I hate about the NBA. Trade are more often than not about money. And coupled with that owners, who claim to have been losing money over the last five years, pay players to not play. Seriously? This guy just bought the team and the first thing he wants to do is pay somebody to not play?

FAWK!!!! I'm serious. There has to be somebody that would be willing to offer more than an expiring contract for Okafor. He'd be a great fit in Miami (though I'm not sure what they would have to offer in return, though NO wasn't asking for much obviously).

This $#!T seriously annoys the hell out of me.

DenButsu
06-20-2012, 08:58 PM
point is
Rashard was on the bench counting his money
McGee was thinking about the 14 mill he thought he thought he should get
and Blatche was always whining and complaining about something

That point really doesn't go against anything I said. And while it sports jettisoning Lewis, it doesn't explain taking on more salary longer term.

jimm120
06-20-2012, 08:59 PM
@draftexpress

Good trade by the hornets to rebuild. Lots of cap room after next year.

The Wizards are the worst run team in the league.

:eyebrow:

Really!?

I thing that's a HUGELY great trade for the Wizards (if they were competing).

Wow, two great, useful pieces for an expiring (maybe) and a 2nd rounder!

I would have loved to have gotten Okafor and Ariza for nothing but an expiring practically.

Ariza would be sg/sf that can score AND has great defense. Okafor would be the backup Center and Backup PF (yeah...he'd go in at different times) and would spell Amare and Tyson. Plus, it'd allow Jared Jeffries to be there as the backup PF (when okafor is at center).

I don't see how a contending team that doesn't mind adding in 2 year contracts (or whatever contract they have) on the team for free, if the players are good enough (which they are).


Unless it has to do with this new salary cap "curtain" or whatever its called that occurs at 72 million...

aussie
06-20-2012, 08:59 PM
Why cant the pistons pull a two crappy players for one crappy player deal and then amnesty that player and we have 2 scrubs gone at once....

im Jealous hornets...

the hornets forum wouldn't mind seeing some new fans :P

JayAllDay
06-20-2012, 09:04 PM
Great trade for the Wizards....

j-bay
06-20-2012, 09:05 PM
Also the Wizards filled in some needs. They didn't need Lewis, they went out and got two postions they needed. You then go out take Beal, and you got your shooter.

JayAllDay
06-20-2012, 09:05 PM
:eyebrow:

Really!?

I thing that's a HUGELY great trade for the Wizards (if they were competing).

Wow, two great, useful pieces for an expiring (maybe) and a 2nd rounder!

I would have loved to have gotten Okafor and Ariza for nothing but an expiring practically.

Ariza would be sg/sf that can score AND has great defense. Okafor would be the backup Center and Backup PF (yeah...he'd go in at different times) and would spell Amare and Tyson. Plus, it'd allow Jared Jeffries to be there as the backup PF (when okafor is at center).

I don't see how a contending team that doesn't mind adding in 2 year contracts (or whatever contract they have) on the team for free, if the players are good enough (which they are).


Unless it has to do with this new salary cap "curtain" or whatever its called that occurs at 72 million...

Expiring is very generous. Rashard Lewis is broken beyond repair.

Sixerlover
06-20-2012, 09:18 PM
What are the Wizards doing? What is the incentive here for them, gunning for the 8th seed?

The fact that the Hornets are able to dump two big contracts without giving up anything is a win for them.

Maybe it is. I mean they've been brutal for what 4 years now? With no real sign of improvement. Eventually you have to make the playoffs and at least show your fanbase that your dedicated to winning and not continuously picking up under achieving rooks.

I like this for both teams. The Wiz field a competitive starting 5 once they draft Beal, while the Hornets get to rebuild properly, and pick up a massive expiring while clearing space for A.Davis.

JeffG20
06-20-2012, 09:19 PM
WTF would NO make this trade. They are giving away two talented players to take back a player they plan on buying out?

Look, I understand that they will be paying Lewis less money in one year than they would have paid Okafor and Arize in two years, but seriously? They are getting nothing back on this deal? A second round pick? Seriously? Okafor could have provided some mentoring to Davis and whoever they pick a 10, and he would also be an insurance policy incase either one is a bust. And Ariza, even if he's backing up a SF or SG, at least gives the team some depth, which they are sorely lacking.

This is what I hate about the NBA. Trade are more often than not about money. And coupled with that owners, who claim to have been losing money over the last five years, pay players to not play. Seriously? This guy just bought the team and the first thing he wants to do is pay somebody to not play?

FAWK!!!! I'm serious. There has to be somebody that would be willing to offer more than an expiring contract for Okafor. He'd be a great fit in Miami (though I'm not sure what they would have to offer in return, though NO wasn't asking for much obviously).

This $#!T seriously annoys the hell out of me.

we are getting back a ton of Cap space to actually get talented players. you are grossly overestimating both Okafor and Ariza. we are not going to be winning anything so having 2 inflated contracts serves no purpose other then preventing us from getting some very solid players

Vinny642
06-20-2012, 09:29 PM
WTF would NO make this trade. They are giving away two talented players to take back a player they plan on buying out?

Look, I understand that they will be paying Lewis less money in one year than they would have paid Okafor and Arize in two years, but seriously? They are getting nothing back on this deal? A second round pick? Seriously? Okafor could have provided some mentoring to Davis and whoever they pick a 10, and he would also be an insurance policy incase either one is a bust. And Ariza, even if he's backing up a SF or SG, at least gives the team some depth, which they are sorely lacking.

This is what I hate about the NBA. Trade are more often than not about money. And coupled with that owners, who claim to have been losing money over the last five years, pay players to not play. Seriously? This guy just bought the team and the first thing he wants to do is pay somebody to not play?

FAWK!!!! I'm serious. There has to be somebody that would be willing to offer more than an expiring contract for Okafor. He'd be a great fit in Miami (though I'm not sure what they would have to offer in return, though NO wasn't asking for much obviously).

This $#!T seriously annoys the hell out of me.

We(the Hornets) set ourselves up for Free Agency...... so whats your deal? We have a chance at a BIG FA or a bunch of role players

aussie
06-20-2012, 09:30 PM
Ariza would be sg/sf that can score AND has great defense. Okafor would be the backup Center and Backup PF (yeah...he'd go in at different times) and would spell Amare and Tyson. Plus, it'd allow Jared Jeffries to be there as the backup PF (when okafor is at center).


LOL jks? right? surely you're taking the micky?

STL Don
06-20-2012, 09:51 PM
Washington still has the #3 pick and 2 2nd rounders.
They add Ariza, who in the right system can be a solid starter, he's athletic, good defender.. streaky shooter. Along with Okafor who also in the right system can be very effective as well.
They are good pieces too add with a high lottery draft pick and John Wall your starting point guard. Its a much big step moving forward right now.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 09:53 PM
I mean for those who think its a bad deal for the Wizards, its really not. The Wizards might have a shot to contend this year. We are better then the Magic without Dwight Howard. So the Wizards could at least get 3rd place with a shot at the 8th seed. The Wizards goal right now is get to the playoffs first, not win an NBA championship, i mean as much as they want to, but i'm pretty sure they know they need to make the playoffs 1st.

heyman321
06-20-2012, 09:54 PM
great trade for both teams.

flatbush knicks
06-20-2012, 09:58 PM
why does everybody on here think beal to the wiz is a lock what are they going to do if the bobcats take beal lmao

j-bay
06-20-2012, 10:07 PM
why does everybody on here think beal to the wiz is a lock what are they going to do if the bobcats take beal lmao

Steve Kyler: Hearing Thomas Robinson and Michael-Kidd Gilchrist are likely the two guys Charlotte considers at #2... Washington trade signals Beal #3 Twitter

jason17
06-20-2012, 10:12 PM
I like the trade. You don't know how bad of defense we need. NE NE -NE WILL move to Pf now.

StephenP
06-20-2012, 10:18 PM
I like the trade for the Wiz, but how could they not demand the #10 pick.

NO had already said they would be willing to give it up if someone took Okafor OR Ariza. They took both and didn't get it.

aussie
06-20-2012, 10:22 PM
I like the trade for the Wiz, but how could they not demand the #10 pick.

NO had already said they would be willing to give it up if someone took Okafor OR Ariza. They took both and didn't get it.

not sure if they could of offered anything with Mek, Ariza and #10

j-bay
06-20-2012, 10:22 PM
Assuming the trade goes through, here is the Wizards' salary data for next season:
1.Emeka Okafor: $13.5 million
2.Nene: $13 million
3.Trevor Ariza: $7.3 million
4. Andray Blatche*: $7.2 million
5. John Wall: $5.9 million
6. No. 3 pick**: $4.1 million
7. Jan Vesely: $3.2 million
8. Kevin Seraphin: $1.8 million
9. Chris Singleton: $1.6 million
10. Trevor Booker: $1.4 million
11. Jordan Crawford: $1.2 million
12. Shelvin Mack: $762,000
13. No. 32 pick**: 762,000

*=Likely Amnesty candidate.

**=Equal to the slotted first-year salary of the 2011 No. 3 and No. 32 picks. Those numbers are expected to stay the same this year.

TOTAL: $61.72 million

TOTAL WITHOUT BLATCHE: $54.52 million.

Federal Reserve
06-20-2012, 10:25 PM
Why did the Hornets trade their best player, Okafor? Any savvy NBA fan knows that Anthony Davis' game is almost as ugly as his looks. The guy will be a flat out bust. He's too slow, has no post moves and will get pushed around like a rag doll. Big guys are never good enough to carry a team in this league. The Hornets will regret making this trade.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 10:26 PM
Why did the Hornets trade their best player, Okafor? Any savvy NBA fan knows that Anthony Davis' game is almost as ugly as his looks. The guy will be a flat out bust. He's too slow, has no post moves and will get pushed around like a rag doll. Big guys are never good enough to carry a team in this league. The Hornets will regret making this trade.

Two words:Cap Space.

Federal Reserve
06-20-2012, 10:30 PM
Two words:Cap Space.

They could have used the amnesty on Okafur if they so liked. The problem is that they believe Davis will be the replacement. Rashard Lewis is good only for taking up space on the bench; he's pretty much worthless, except for the fact that his contract is expensive. I laugh at people thinking that this move was good. You have to look beyond the trade and see that the Hornets are doing this to set up the arrival of Davis. The trade itself is not too shabby but the vibe is sends is what is the major problem.

BSplaya2121
06-20-2012, 10:53 PM
the wizards honestly have 0 plan to the future. I'm not sure who their gm/president is but he should never be allowed to run a franchise again.

They are turning young players/ expiring deals into older mediocre players with long term contracts. that is basically the opposite of what any rebuilding team should be doing.

a complete joke of a franchise.

BREAKING NEWS **ISIAH THOMAS secretly took the wizards job about 2 or 3 years ago :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Certainly seems that way lol

j-bay
06-20-2012, 10:57 PM
BREAKING NEWS **ISIAH THOMAS secretly took the wizards job about 2 or 3 years ago :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Certainly seems that way lol

The wizards arn't a market for superstars like NY, but their making it with what they have

aussie
06-20-2012, 10:58 PM
They could have used the amnesty on Okafur if they so liked. The problem is that they believe Davis will be the replacement. Rashard Lewis is good only for taking up space on the bench; he's pretty much worthless, except for the fact that his contract is expensive. I laugh at people thinking that this move was good. You have to look beyond the trade and see that the Hornets are doing this to set up the arrival of Davis. The trade itself is not too shabby but the vibe is sends is what is the major problem.

wow? First of all Gordon is our best player, no debate...

next we plan on buying out Lewis and making a play in the FA, how stupid do you think Demps is? This is a good trade! For both teams

THE MTL
06-20-2012, 10:59 PM
I like the direction the Hornets are going. Dump everyone and build around Davis. I would actually try to trade Gordon for another high draft pick as well (his health is a huge liability) and plus his next contract could be like 12 million per year.

MonroeFAN
06-20-2012, 11:00 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned, I'm still on page 1. How are teams able to trade right now? The trade deadline put an end to all trades this season, I always thought.

Federal Reserve
06-20-2012, 11:04 PM
wow? First of all Gordon is our best player, no debate...

next we plan on buying out Lewis and making a play in the FA, how stupid do you think Demps is? This is a good trade! For both teams

You're wrong. You have seen Gordon play two games as a Hornet, so you're perspective of him is diluted. But that's okay, because I am here to help. The guy isn't as good as people make him out to be. He is also very injury prone. He will be cancer to the team if they give him a big contract. Just take my analysis and think about what I said. I have been watching basketball since the '05-'06 season and know what I am talking about.

aussie
06-20-2012, 11:07 PM
You're wrong. You have seen Gordon play two games as a Hornet, so you're perspective of him is diluted. But that's okay, because I am here to help. The guy isn't as good as people make him out to be. He is also very injury prone. He will be cancer to the team if they give him a big contract. Just take my analysis and think about what I said. I have been watching basketball since the '05-'06 season and know what I am talking about.

05-06 season? Is that all...I've been watching Gordon since he got drafted, and have always been high on him...Gordon is our best player, and yes this is a smart move by Dell Demps

JeffG20
06-20-2012, 11:07 PM
They could have used the amnesty on Okafur if they so liked. The problem is that they believe Davis will be the replacement. Rashard Lewis is good only for taking up space on the bench; he's pretty much worthless, except for the fact that his contract is expensive. I laugh at people thinking that this move was good. You have to look beyond the trade and see that the Hornets are doing this to set up the arrival of Davis. The trade itself is not too shabby but the vibe is sends is what is the major problem.

why use up the amnesty if we're able to unload him to another team? Lewis wont even put on a uniform as he's being bought out. this deal saved us 30 million.

Federal Reserve
06-20-2012, 11:09 PM
05-06 season? Is that all...I've been watching Gordon since he got drafted, and have always been high on him...Gordon is our best player, and yes this is a smart move by Dell Demps

You don't even live in the United States, so I can easily say that I have seen 10x more NBA games than you have. Just trust me when I tell you that he will not be worth what the Hornets want to pay him. He is not a winner and will never become one. He is the third best player on a very good team, and that's me being generous.

MonroeFAN
06-20-2012, 11:09 PM
I have been watching basketball since the '05-'06 season and know what I am talking about.

I wouldn't be proud of that on a basketball forum. A lot of people have been watching the NBA for 10-20 years on here.

But for the record, I agree with you about Gordon (he could be a fine 2nd option I think). Also, the chick in your signature is insanely hot.

Who?

Federal Reserve
06-20-2012, 11:10 PM
why use up the amnesty if we're able to unload him to another team? Lewis wont even put on a uniform as he's being bought out. this deal saved us 30 million.

Amnest can be used only on guys who were on the team before the CBA. Saving it for later will make it worthless.

JeffG20
06-20-2012, 11:11 PM
Amnest can be used only on guys who were on the team before the CBA. Saving it for later will make it worthless.

no worthless would be using it on a guy you can trade away and not be on the hook for the money. even if Oak got Amnestied they'd still be on the hook for it.

NastyRud
06-20-2012, 11:19 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned, I'm still on page 1. How are teams able to trade right now? The trade deadline put an end to all trades this season, I always thought.

You can start trading once your season is over.

STL Don
06-20-2012, 11:19 PM
Very good trade for both teams.
The Wiz still have 2 picks (no.3overall, late 2nd) to fill in around Wall, Ariza, Nene and Okafor. Not terrible assuming Wall progresses this season and starts going beast mode, right now they're looking at Beal to play sg, I think he'll be a great pick playing alongside Wall and Crawford coming off the bench..however, they still need a couple of other holes to fill including, one upgrade at starter over Ariza, Nene or Okafor, probably unlikely but that's what it would take for them to take a really big step up, nonetheless a backup pg, sf and c off the bench who can add production is certainly necessary.

NO unloads some contracts, also add another pick.
Now they got Davis and Landry at pf with Kaman at center.
You would assume they'd take a sf with the no. 10 pick

Vinylman
06-20-2012, 11:19 PM
we are getting back a ton of Cap space to actually get talented players. you are grossly overestimating both Okafor and Ariza. we are not going to be winning anything so having 2 inflated contracts serves no purpose other then preventing us from getting some very solid players

This is the same kind of guy who didn't understand the Lakers / Memphis
deal...

good deal for both teams... although i would rather be NO

Shareeb_omac2
06-20-2012, 11:22 PM
Wizards got a better deal than everyone is making it out to be.

They have Wall and will most likely draft Beal. THAT IS THEIR FUTURE, I don't get why people act like this ruins their future. The Wizards will be a solid team by next season.

greg_ory_2005
06-20-2012, 11:27 PM
I wouldn't be proud of that on a basketball forum. A lot of people have been watching the NBA for 10-20 years on here.

But for the record, I agree with you about Gordon (he could be a fine 2nd option I think). Also, the chick in your signature is insanely hot.

Who?

Looks like Cheryl Cole.

j-bay
06-20-2012, 11:27 PM
Very good trade for both teams.
The Wiz still have 2 picks (no.3overall, late 2nd) to fill in around Wall, Ariza, Nene and Okafor. Not terrible assuming Wall progresses this season and starts going beast mode, right now they're looking at Beal to play sg, I think he'll be a great pick playing alongside Wall and Crawford coming off the bench..however, they still need a couple of other holes to fill including, one upgrade at starter over Ariza, Nene or Okafor, probably unlikely but that's what it would take for them to take a really big step up, nonetheless a backup pg, sf and c off the bench who can add production is certainly necessary.

NO unloads some contracts, also add another pick.
Now they got Davis and Landry at pf with Kaman at center.
You would assume they'd take a sf with the no. 10 pick

early 2nd

MonroeFAN
06-20-2012, 11:29 PM
Looks like Cheryl Cole.

Thank you

j-bay
06-21-2012, 12:11 AM
Mike Prada: On why do this deal now, EG said he thinks he knows who the teams drafting ahead of the Wizards are taking

j-bay
06-21-2012, 12:11 AM
Craig Stouffer: Grunfeld said Ariza played with Wall in a pickup game in L.A. today.

Sssmush
06-21-2012, 12:17 AM
@draftexpress

Good trade by the hornets to rebuild. Lots of cap room after next year.

The Wizards are the worst run team in the league.

horrible trade by N.O.

wtf?