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SportsNY
06-19-2012, 04:08 PM
NBA competition committee discusses postgame flopping penalties


To some NBA fans, flopping is a scourge upon the NBA. Like pump-faking or playing with other superstars, it degrades the ideals of competition on which sport is founded. If the NBA wants to be taken seriously and move beyond record ratings, they must do something drastic.

Luckily, David Stern and his handpicked competition committee are meeting this week to discuss potential fixes. On Monday, they talked specifically about how to hand out punishments after games. From Brian Mahoney for the Associated Press:


The NBA commissioner believes too many players are deceiving referees into calling fouls by falling down, or flopping. So he and the league's newly reformed competition committee met Monday for a discussion about how it can be prevented.

One option, Stern said, is a ''postgame analysis'' in which a player could be penalized if it was determined he flopped. The league retroactively upgrades or downgrades flagrant fouls after review, and along those lines he said that perhaps a player could receive a message from New York saying: ''Greetings from the league office. You have been assigned flopper status.''

''No, I'm joking, but something like that,'' Stern said. ''That sort of lets people know that it's not enough to say 'it's all part of the game.'''

My own joking aside, it would be good if the league could crack down on flopping. I'm not convinced that it's a major issue for the NBA, but it'd be best if it weren't so prevalent. On the other hand, the postgame plan helps underline exactly why it will be hard to stop flopping.

Under this proposal, one man (perhaps suspension/fine czar Stu Jackson) would have to assess all questionable flopping instances on any night. But if flopping is as common as some believe, then that would be a time-consuming process, particularly on nights with 10 or more games. Can a centralized situation do that much work? Would the league have to enforce selectively to make it manageable? Is that fair?

On top of that issue, the entire use of flopping is that it makes the intentional look unintentional. Even when divorced from the clamor of in-game officiating, assessing a charging or blocking foul for intent is a tricky task. Can we really know if a player meant to fall? What should we make of situations where there is legitimate foul-worthy contact and embellishment? Where do they draw the line? If players are allowed to appeal flopping rulings (which seems necessary, especially for this type of transgressions), then we could see arguments over intent usually kept to courtrooms and theological conferences.

In this case, the solution to the War on Flopping might prove much more controversial and difficult to rein in than the crime itself. The NBA and its fans have every right to cry foul over flopping, but they'd do well to consider the unintended consequences of enforcement.

Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/nba-competition-committee-discusses-post-game-flopping-penalties-002054016--nba.html

kenzo400
06-19-2012, 04:12 PM
I wonder if they will punish referees for calling obvious flops lol

HoodedSB
06-19-2012, 04:14 PM
Hold on a minute, pump faking?

SportsNY
06-19-2012, 04:14 PM
Flopping is ruining sports. I've even see it in hockey. It's pathetic, just play the ****ing game. Referees should be just as accountable.

Rivera
06-19-2012, 04:17 PM
this is a good step

then in the offseason fire every ref because there all crooked. make them do a lie detector test then tell them you have to train all offseason to brush up on your lack of officiating skills and if they dont like it to find another job!

Lakeshow24KB
06-19-2012, 04:28 PM
Hold on a minute, pump faking?

This. Pump faking is a fundamental that even my high school is begging us to use. How is it bad...?

amos1er
06-19-2012, 04:49 PM
lol @ post game penalties. Got to hand it to Stern he is a genius. By punishing players with fines after the game instead of addressing the issues during the game and holding the refs accountable, he is able to still maintain the influence that the officials have over the outcomes of games. Even better, now he will be able to make a little extra cash for the NBA through some nice fines...and the best part is he has found a way to not hold refs accountable at all. lol Nice one Stern don't blame the refs for calling the obvious BS, blame the players. LMAO!!! Stern is ridiculous. :rolleyes: :laugh2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flopping_(basketball)


Unlike the NBA, the penalty for "flopping" under FIBA rules is a technical foul. (FIBA rules state that would count as one of a player's five fouls (6 in a 48-minute game in some countries) towards being taken out of the game. In the NBA technical fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct count as one towards the two to ejection or seven to suspension.)

Why can't we have this here? Make perfect sense to me. Hold the refs accountable by giving them the power to make the call during the game and hold the players accountable by punishing their teams for calls that they shouldn't be getting in the first place. Of course Stern won't do it this way because then he wouldn't have as much control over the outcome of games. Seems pretty obvious to me.

SportsNY
06-19-2012, 10:42 PM
It's so annoying seeing players do this in the NBA Finals.

metsrock229
06-19-2012, 10:47 PM
How is flopping even being compared to pump-faking

I stopped reading after that.

HoodedSB
06-19-2012, 11:09 PM
lol @ post game penalties. Got to hand it to Stern he is a genius. By punishing players with fines after the game instead of addressing the issues during the game and holding the refs accountable, he is able to still maintain the influence that the officials have over the outcomes of games. Even better, now he will be able to make a little extra cash for the NBA through some nice fines...and the best part is he has found a way to not hold refs accountable at all. lol Nice one Stern don't blame the refs for calling the obvious BS, blame the players. LMAO!!! Stern is ridiculous. :rolleyes: :laugh2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flopping_(basketball)



Why can't we have this here? Make perfect sense to me. Hold the refs accountable by giving them the power to make the call during the game and hold the players accountable by punishing their teams for calls that they shouldn't be getting in the first place. Of course Stern won't do it this way because then he wouldn't have as much control over the outcome of games. Seems pretty obvious to me.

They do have the power to penalize flopping in game, it's called a no-call and a disadvantage to the team with the player who is laying on the floor looking at the refs.

Oh, and for the record, regarding your sig, the OWNERS vetoed the CP3 trade, which they were able to do because the hornets were owned by all of the teams owners collectively. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.

xnick5757
06-19-2012, 11:16 PM
How is flopping even being compared to pump-faking

I stopped reading after that.

Maybe they mean the pierce/wade move of pump faking then jumping into the guy when he is in the air?

SportsNY
06-19-2012, 11:19 PM
Maybe they mean the pierce/wade move of pump faking then jumping into the guy when he is in the air?

That's what I'm thinking too, why would a simple pump fake be ruining the game? Everyone automatically assumed that's what it was. But I think you're right.

Blitzbolt
06-19-2012, 11:44 PM
Cp3 and the clippers just poop their pants.:clap:

NBAFan2012
06-19-2012, 11:48 PM
Cp3 and the clippers just poop their pants.:clap:

Aww you are still mad the Clippers beat the Grizz?

j-bay
06-19-2012, 11:53 PM
Flopping is ruining sports. I've even see it in hockey. It's pathetic, just play the ****ing game. Referees should be just as accountable.

unlike Basketball they call it in hockey.

j-bay
06-19-2012, 11:55 PM
I'm hoping Stern starts punishing the main offenders coughLebroncough

Raps18-19 Champ
06-19-2012, 11:55 PM
It's a good idea, but who exactly is the NBA to decide if someone flopped or not.

Fans cry 'flop' when athletes get hit from behind.

THE MTL
06-20-2012, 12:01 AM
Seeing players fail and go flying off of the slightest push is getting out of hand. It looks like a joke out there. And im starting to notice that players are more focused on flopping so when the call doesnt go their way, their team is left a man down on the other end of the floor because you flew 25ft when someone touched you.

I think NBA needs to review this and also start allowing more contact in the game of basketball. It is hard to play defense because 90% of the calls dont go your way. This whole he touched me with his pinky finger is BS. This is grown men playing a game!

NYSPORTSALLDAY
06-20-2012, 01:00 AM
The NBA is straight up ***** now. What is considered a foul now a days is a joke as well as the flopping ********. The NBA is getting harder to watch.

SportsNY
06-20-2012, 12:29 PM
unlike Basketball they call it in hockey.

Watching the Rangers/Devils series, they did call it on the Rangers, but not the Devils. There was a play where a Rangers player's stick was near the face of a Devil, but didn't touch it. The Devils player then threw himself to the ice and laid there for a few minutes and went to the bench like he was bleeding. Once the Rangers were given a penalty, the player was fine. It was such a disgusting play for sports.

tht_one_guy
06-20-2012, 02:26 PM
if they really wanted to fix it they would just suspend players for it first time warning from the league second time 1 game suspension 3rd time 3 game suspension 4th time 7 games 5 time make it 20 games suspensions do not reset until after the playoffs next season u get a clean slate fining these guys does no good o wow a 10k fine on someone who makes 12million a year tht will hurt anyway i dont think fines benefit the nba dosent all the money go to charity