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JordansBulls
06-19-2012, 01:03 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/06/phil-jackson-talks-to-hbo-about-jim-buss-andrew-bynum-and-the-lakers/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomNba-TopStories+%28Sports+-+NBA+-+Top



Jackson explains how executive Jim Buss' appreciation for Andrew Bynum's game changed the tenor of the team.

"You know, Jim is a guy that, you know, saw Andrew as a kid-- and thought Bynum was gonna be a great pick for our team. But in the process, I think you know, he's wanted Andrew to have a bigger and bigger role. And I think he's hired his coach to have Andrew have a bigger and bigger role. And that kinda disjointed the symmetry of what the Lakers were really about this last year. You know, Andrew is All-Star center. He was-- did a wonderful job. But, you know, it-- what happened was, it took Pau out of his game. And it took the team away from some of their game. So they changed the style dramatically."

Badluck33
06-19-2012, 01:04 PM
Phil isn't making excuses, is he??

Hawkeye15
06-19-2012, 01:08 PM
that should be obvious. Despite Gasol being a more efficient post scorer, Bynum had almost double the opportunities.

Again, been saying it forever, what did you expect with a Mike Brown led team?

Chronz
06-19-2012, 01:17 PM
This is why I question if Bynum truly had his best season. I loved the Bynum that would dominate the offensive glass and put up monstrously efficient numbers alongside Pau. They never coexisted perfectly but never has Pau struggled this badly.

Still you cant deny that Pau has lost some of the quickness that made him a matchup nightmare at the 4.

As easy as it is to blame Bynum, Pau didnt really blow up when he wasnt on the court. The last 2 years have seen a negligible difference I think. Unlike in the years before that when it seemed he blew up without Bynum, could have something to do with Odoms shooting/passing ability.

LAKobeBryant
06-19-2012, 01:19 PM
i think this is pretty obvious how bynums development took pau out of his games. lakers this season rather post bynum than gasol and gasol is a post player not a zach randolph, chris bosh jump shooting type power forward.

thekmp211
06-19-2012, 01:29 PM
that should be obvious. Despite Gasol being a more efficient post scorer, Bynum had almost double the opportunities.

Again, been saying it forever, what did you expect with a Mike Brown led team?

see i do feel this way. the lakers panicked all season for no real reason.

but as long as kobe hangs around, he is going to want to contend. and i just don't see them flipping pau for someone who can compliment bynum well and provide a lot of what pau brought to the table.

kobe would win me over forever if he took the amnesty and allowed his team to rebuild properly, BUT..

KingPosey
06-19-2012, 01:31 PM
This might be stupid, but what do you guys think about this trade, if it even worked. Bynum and Sessions, to Bos for Rondo and KG, plus whatever fillers needed, if it even worked financially.

That might help LA and Bos imo.

KingPosey
06-19-2012, 01:36 PM
see i do feel this way. the lakers panicked all season for no real reason.

but as long as kobe hangs around, he is going to want to contend. and i just don't see them flipping pau for someone who can compliment bynum well and provide a lot of what pau brought to the table.

kobe would win me over forever if he took the amnesty and allowed his team to rebuild properly, BUT..

That would mean he would have to leave, neither he or LA wants that.

KingPosey
06-19-2012, 01:40 PM
This is why I question if Bynum truly had his best season. I loved the Bynum that would dominate the offensive glass and put up monstrously efficient numbers alongside Pau. They never coexisted perfectly but never has Pau struggled this badly.

Still you cant deny that Pau has lost some of the quickness that made him a matchup nightmare at the 4.

As easy as it is to blame Bynum, Pau didnt really blow up when he wasnt on the court. The last 2 years have seen a negligible difference I think. Unlike in the years before that when it seemed he blew up without Bynum, could have something to do with Odoms shooting/passing ability.

Ive never thought about it like that.

justinnum1
06-19-2012, 01:46 PM
jackson says "you know" a lot lol

sep11ie
06-19-2012, 01:48 PM
jackson says "you know" a lot lol

I was about to say that. He sounds like a 12 year old girl.

Sssmush
06-19-2012, 01:50 PM
This might be stupid, but what do you guys think about this trade, if it even worked. Bynum and Sessions, to Bos for Rondo and KG, plus whatever fillers needed, if it even worked financially.

That might help LA and Bos imo.

I'd take that deal, instantly. We'll throw in your choice of Barnes, Blake or Goudelock also.

Then Gasol to Atlanta, possibly? Minnesota?

I been seeing these new rumors though that Dwight is summering in Los Angeles and showing a lot of interest here...

KingPosey
06-19-2012, 01:54 PM
I'd take that deal, instantly. We'll throw in your choice of Barnes, Blake or Goudelock also.

Then Gasol to Atlanta, possibly? Minnesota?

I been seeing these new rumors though that Dwight is summering in Los Angeles and showing a lot of interest here...

lol IM not married to the trade. I just thought it gave Boston a premier center and a solid PG, and it gave LA a solid C in KG that still has some game and a distributing pg in Rondo that is young.It is what it is.

Sssmush
06-19-2012, 01:56 PM
This is why I question if Bynum truly had his best season. I loved the Bynum that would dominate the offensive glass and put up monstrously efficient numbers alongside Pau. They never coexisted perfectly but never has Pau struggled this badly.

Still you cant deny that Pau has lost some of the quickness that made him a matchup nightmare at the 4.

As easy as it is to blame Bynum, Pau didnt really blow up when he wasnt on the court. The last 2 years have seen a negligible difference I think. Unlike in the years before that when it seemed he blew up without Bynum, could have something to do with Odoms shooting/passing ability.

Yeah, Bynum was fairly consistent this year, but he didn't have his best "monster" dominating games like we've seen him have in years past occasionally. We've seen him have some dominant games with like 26 pts 20 rebounds 8 blocks on 12-15 shooting sometimes.

I've made the case that Bynum needs to take more shots and go at the hoop more aggressively, that if he's shooting 12-14 then he's being WAY to conservative, and he needs to take some of those more tougher or more difficult shots, rather than kick the ball out to Kobe with 4 on the shot clock constantly, so that Bynum can keep his FG% at 90% or whatever.

Optimally, Bynum should take as many shots as he can until his FG% starts to dip below 50%. Also, just in general, the offense didn't totally mesh this year... not sure if that's because such major changes, the strike, etc. Odom is a nonfactor I'm pretty sure, the Dallas experiment proved that beyond all reasonable doubt at this point. Odom looked like an inconsistent slug for years, and his gig in Dallas I think proved it in extra large letters for everyone to see.

thekmp211
06-19-2012, 01:57 PM
That would mean he would have to leave, neither he or LA wants that.

i mean you know what i am saying. a nod wink deal with the league that lets him go back the LAL.

what do you think would happen if the bobcats claimed kobe off of waivers? think he'd show?

i'm just musing.

Sssmush
06-19-2012, 01:59 PM
lol IM not married to the trade. I just thought it gave Boston a premier center and a solid PG, and it gave LA a solid C in KG that still has some game and a distributing pg in Rondo that is young.It is what it is.

I'm pretty sure the LA owners won't take that deal, but wow, Rando is amazing. Rando in LA would be incredible, especially with Kobe there and maybe Pau.

Sssmush
06-19-2012, 02:01 PM
i mean you know what i am saying. a nod wink deal with the league that lets him go back the LAL.

what do you think would happen if the bobcats claimed kobe off of waivers? think he'd show?

i'm just musing.

Kobe would show.

Kobe would show and start whipping that team into shape. And then he'd start publicly embarassing the **** out of Michael Jordan and exposing him as the biggest idiot owner in sports history until Jordan finally crawled out of the casino and cried "uncle" and traded Kobe to NY.

Citanoxeno
06-19-2012, 02:02 PM
that should be obvious. Despite Gasol being a more efficient post scorer, Bynum had almost double the opportunities.

Again, been saying it forever, what did you expect with a Mike Brown led team?

Where did you get those stats from? Pau had more attempts then Bynum
917 to 796. Pau at 50% to Bynum 55%. Having both bigs who can score inside was a luxury that wasn't utilised enough during the season and in the playoff. Someone was to busy playing hero ball shooting 43% percent from the field taking all the shots. No ball movent, no balanced attack, and making the offense one dimensional will cause the team an early playoff exit. But that's besides the point. The lakers dynamic duo at bigs was the best in the game but someone else felt that he should get his game off and f the rest. Please! Pau and Bynum wasn't the real problem.

KingPosey
06-19-2012, 02:13 PM
I'm pretty sure the LA owners won't take that deal, but wow, Rando is amazing. Rando in LA would be incredible, especially with Kobe there and maybe Pau.

I wonder if Rando is even better than Rondo? Maybe he is a better passer than Rondo, just like Sssmash is better than you at being sarcastic AND funny? But I dont have ALL the answers. Im just spit balling here.

thekmp211
06-19-2012, 02:31 PM
Kobe would show.

Kobe would show and start whipping that team into shape. And then he'd start publicly embarassing the **** out of Michael Jordan and exposing him as the biggest idiot owner in sports history until Jordan finally crawled out of the casino and cried "uncle" and traded Kobe to NY.

:clap:

ThunderousDemon
06-19-2012, 02:47 PM
Every body in the Lakers forum knew this from the get-go.

JasonJohnHorn
06-19-2012, 03:48 PM
Phil isn't making excuses, is he??

I think Phil is just trying to present himself as a viable coaching option to Brown... lol