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Chronz
06-19-2012, 04:20 AM
The reason I ask is because Im so sick of seeing JB measure talent in this fashion.

Let me give you a quick rundown. In 1989 Scottie Pippen made his first All-Star team while averaging 14.4-6.1-3.5 (PER: 16.3, WS.087). The very next year he increases that production to 16.5-6.7-5.4 (PER: 20.6, WS.179) but fails to make the All-Star team (though he made his first All-Defensive Team). Now are you the kind to see the improvement across the board, or are you the kind to say it was a lesser season?

JB has a habit of propping up MJ by saying he won the title without a single All-Star next to him, neglecting to mention that Pippen was an All-Star the year prior and had IMPROVED as a player the very next year and was CLEARLY putting up All-Star caliber production.


So, can a player improve even though his recognition decreased? Are you willing to look past that or are you a robot?

Raps18-19 Champ
06-19-2012, 04:34 AM
You just gave an example. So clearly, JB is wrong.

LakersMaster24
06-19-2012, 05:04 AM
JordanBulls is just a Jordan fanboy...cant argue with him.

thenaj17
06-19-2012, 06:41 AM
Did Pippen make that All Star team by fan vote or coaches? How many minutes more did Pippen play to get those extra bumps in stats across the board? Only PER isn't related to minutes of the stats you gave so it's important to know.

It's probably just that other players played even better in that 2nd year you gave so Pippen didn't stand out as much. Most probably a homer being biased as usual on here

Bulls_fan90
06-19-2012, 06:53 AM
Both you and JB are annoying.

/Thread.

b@llhog24
06-19-2012, 07:01 AM
Deng had a better year previous to making the all star team this year.

knickfan33
06-19-2012, 07:03 AM
who cares.... all star game is a joke

dh144498
06-19-2012, 10:20 AM
Kobe
1998 season: 15.4/3.1/2.5 42.8% all star
1999 season: 19.9/5.3/3.8 46.5% no all star

Rivera
06-19-2012, 10:32 AM
Both you and JB are annoying.

/Thread.

Basically this

Da Knicks
06-19-2012, 10:37 AM
Both you and JB are annoying.

/Thread.

:clap: funny he calls jb out calling him a robot when all he does is use stats himself...:rolleyes:

willabeast77
06-19-2012, 10:41 AM
Kobe
1998 season: 15.4/3.1/2.5 42.8% all star
1999 season: 19.9/5.3/3.8 46.5% no all star

1999 was a lock-out season. There were no all-star game that year.

Kashmir13579
06-19-2012, 10:45 AM
Chronz vs JB... GO!

willabeast77
06-19-2012, 10:46 AM
The reason I ask is because Im so sick of seeing JB measure talent in this fashion.

Let me give you a quick rundown. In 1989 Scottie Pippen made his first All-Star team while averaging 14.4-6.1-3.5 (PER: 16.3, WS.087). The very next year he increases that production to 16.5-6.7-5.4 (PER: 20.6, WS.179) but fails to make the All-Star team (though he made his first All-Defensive Team). Now are you the kind to see the improvement across the board, or are you the kind to say it was a lesser season?

JB has a habit of propping up MJ by saying he won the title without a single All-Star next to him, neglecting to mention that Pippen was an All-Star the year prior and had IMPROVED as a player the very next year and was CLEARLY putting up All-Star caliber production.


So, can a player improve even though his recognition decreased? Are you willing to look past that or are you a robot?


Pippen didn't make the allstar team in 91' or 98' so technically Jordan won both his first and last ring without an all-star. In 98', he didn't make it because he missed too many games with injuries. He still ended up making all-defense/all-nba teams though.

dh144498
06-19-2012, 10:52 AM
1999 was a lock-out season. There were no all-star game that year.

shame on me. :(

JordansBulls
06-19-2012, 10:57 AM
The reason I ask is because Im so sick of seeing JB measure talent in this fashion.

Let me give you a quick rundown. In 1989 Scottie Pippen made his first All-Star team while averaging 14.4-6.1-3.5 (PER: 16.3, WS.087). The very next year he increases that production to 16.5-6.7-5.4 (PER: 20.6, WS.179) but fails to make the All-Star team (though he made his first All-Defensive Team). Now are you the kind to see the improvement across the board, or are you the kind to say it was a lesser season?

JB has a habit of propping up MJ by saying he won the title without a single All-Star next to him, neglecting to mention that Pippen was an All-Star the year prior and had IMPROVED as a player the very next year and was CLEARLY putting up All-Star caliber production.


So, can a player improve even though his recognition decreased? Are you willing to look past that or are you a robot?

It's not propping up Jordan it is saying what actually happened. Jordan won 2 titles as the only allstar on his team. I never said Pippen wasn't allstar caliber, I said he wasn't an allstar when the Bulls won there first title nor last title.
It's just like Parker was allstar caliber when the Spurs won it all in 2005 or Manu in 2007 when the Spurs won it all or how Drexler was allstar caliber in 1995 when the Rockets won or Thorpe in 1994 (even though he made the allstar team in 1992).

b@llhog24
06-19-2012, 11:09 AM
:clap: funny he calls jb out calling him a robot when all he does is use stats himself...:rolleyes:

Honestly after you said this
As far as talent goes, without a doubt Melo is the best player the knicks have ever had. I think Melo is the best player in the league right now so i think after he wins us a ring this year he would have to be considered the best knick ever. Melo will become the new Jordan of the league we are so lucky to have him!!! I don't think you have the most credibility on these boards.


Chronz vs JB... GO!

:jumpy:

Chronz
06-19-2012, 01:03 PM
Did Pippen make that All Star team by fan vote or coaches? How many minutes more did Pippen play to get those extra bumps in stats across the board? Only PER isn't related to minutes of the stats you gave so it's important to know.
He played 2 less MPG. Thats partly why his PER jumped up so much.


It's probably just that other players played even better in that 2nd year you gave so Pippen didn't stand out as much. Most probably a homer being biased as usual on here
Definitely possible, but you agree hes played MUCH better tho.



Deng had a better year previous to making the all star team this year.
Good comp.



It's not propping up Jordan it is saying what actually happened. Jordan won 2 titles as the only allstar on his team. I never said Pippen wasn't allstar caliber, I said he wasn't an allstar when the Bulls won there first title nor last title.
So then you agree that the technical term is irrelevant. Whats more important is that hes an actual all-star player in production and worth than it is to get recognized as one.


It's just like Parker was allstar caliber when the Spurs won it all in 2005 or Manu in 2007 when the Spurs won it all or how Drexler was allstar caliber in 1995 when the Rockets won or Thorpe in 1994 (even though he made the allstar team in 1992).
I would never make the claim that Hakeem won it without an All-Star. Looking at Drexler its clear he was an All-Star even if he didnt make the team.

Chronz
06-19-2012, 01:05 PM
:clap: funny he calls jb out calling him a robot when all he does is use stats himself...:rolleyes:
Would you agree to that that you NEVER use stats?

blastmasta26
06-19-2012, 01:08 PM
:clap: funny he calls jb out calling him a robot when all he does is use stats himself...:rolleyes:

Chronz knows what he's talking about though. And even if he didn't, I'd much rather be a stats only guy than a biased homer. (see sig)