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Ilovetosuckdip
06-18-2012, 01:32 PM
http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/06/18/celtics.considering.strong.offer.omer.asik.houston .rockets.could.take.look.too


Omer Asik is a restricted free agent, giving the Chicago Bulls the ability to match any offer sheet he signs. The Bulls are deep at the big man position and could choose to decline the proposition with Carlos Boozer, Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah on the roster.

According to veteran NBA writer Sam Smith, the Boston Celtics are considering making a legitimate run at the big man. The Houston Rockets could also get in the mix. Reports over the past few months have linked the Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers to the pursuit of Asik.

how much do yall think he is worth? id give up 8-9 per year for this kid, he has butter fingers, and is an inconsistent rebounder, but is talented and a great defender

blams
06-18-2012, 01:33 PM
Bulls sign and trade! Please! And no...:laugh2: Omer is not worth over 8 mil a year.

justinnum1
06-18-2012, 01:39 PM
lol, celtics will just sign him outright, no need to give the bulls a player.

Chacarron
06-18-2012, 01:43 PM
5-6 million but will probably get an 8 million offer.

MiamiWadeCounty
06-18-2012, 01:43 PM
I wouldn't give more than 5-6 mill for him. His post defense is very good, but he isn't athletic enough to swat shots and finish near the rim like a DeAndre Jordan who is making 10 mill.

edit: wizard ^^

Pierzynski4Prez
06-18-2012, 01:51 PM
lol, celtics will just sign him outright, no need to give the bulls a player.

Do you know what Restricted means? And I don't believe he is allowed to earn that much on his next contract, similar to Lin.

justinnum1
06-18-2012, 01:55 PM
Do you know what Restricted means? And I don't believe he is allowed to earn that much on his next contract, similar to Lin.

Yea, i beleive its the gilbert arenas rule, cant give him more than 5mil


This loophole was addressed starting with the 2005 CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25). Limiting the first-year salary in this way enables the player's original team to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 25), or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (provided they have it and haven't used it already)1.

The second-year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 4.5% raise. The third-year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first-year salary not been limited by this rule to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception2. The salary in the fourth season may increase (or decrease) by up to 4.1% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the highest salary allowed in the first two seasons, it is fully guaranteed, and it contains no bonuses of any kind.

If the raise in the third season exceeds the standard raise (4.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract), then an additional restriction exists. In order to determine how large the offer can be, the team doesn't just have to fit the first-year salary under the cap. Instead, they must fit the average salary in the entire contract under the cap. So a team $8 million under the cap is limited to offering a total of $24 million over three years, or $32 million over four years. If the offer sheet does not contain a third-season raise larger than 4.5% of the first-season salary, then they only have to fit the first season salary under the cap.

Putting this all together, if a team that is $9 million under the cap in 2011-12 wants to submit a four-year offer sheet, and wants to provide a large raise in the third season, they can offer a total of $36 million over four years. The first-year salary is limited to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or $5 million. The second-year salary will be $5.225 million (4.5% raise). This leaves $25.775 million to be distributed over the final two seasons of the contract, with a 4.1% raise from year three to year four. So the entire contract looks like this:

so boston can give him a 4 year 36mil deal, but the first 2 years would be 5mil per the cap.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-18-2012, 01:55 PM
Danny don't give him more than 5 million.

AWC713
06-18-2012, 02:01 PM
good high energy big....but not worth 8 mil....maybe 7, maybe

Pierzynski4Prez
06-18-2012, 02:05 PM
so boston can give him a 4 year 36mil deal, but the first 2 years would be 5mil per the cap.

So basically its a 2/10 deal followed up by a 2/26 deal. Not sure if people are going to want to risk that much money for those final 2 years. But the 1st 2 years would be just fine. But I doubt anyone offers him 36 million to begin with.

BcEuAbRsS
06-18-2012, 02:11 PM
He can't get more than the mid-level... which the Bulls will match... no team can offer him more than the mid-level...

HouRealCoach
06-18-2012, 02:56 PM
Rasho Nesterovic 2.0

He is hella overrated

Corey
06-18-2012, 03:01 PM
Rasho Nesterovic 2.0

He is hella overratedhe's nothing like Rasho.

Strong comparison of two white European players.

GiantsSwaGG
06-18-2012, 03:04 PM
Don't the Rockets have Sam Dalembert?

Eagles4Lyfe
06-18-2012, 03:05 PM
energy guy?? wttf lmao
This guy was one of the top defensive centers and thrived in Thibs system.

So then Gortat shouldn't have gotten the big raise he got then since he was a backup high energy guy??? Give me a break the dude has legit potential and has been in the league only 3 years and is improving each year.
I'd give him 5-7M a year but my damn raptors aren't smart enough

Edit: He's not worth over 8M but the Bulls will probably match any offer anyways since it cant go high

shep33
06-18-2012, 03:24 PM
I like Omer...8 mill is a lot, but probably right considering how overpaid bigs are these days

TopsyTurvy
06-18-2012, 03:28 PM
He can't get more than the mid-level... which the Bulls will match... no team can offer him more than the mid-level...

They absolutely can give him more than the MLE, it simply gets back loaded so the Bulls have a chance to match his offer sheet. On top of that, it's not even particularly a bad idea considering how much Asik has grown though it could result in one of the most bloated contracts in the league come years 3/4.

Here is some of my dodgy maths from a long time back when the Bulls forum discussed whether or not the team could retain Asik:

PSD Link (http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showpost.php?p=20631431&postcount=70)


So the Arenas exception numbers would look like this if Asik is looking for MAXIMUM payment:

12/13: ~$5.75 mil (or whatever the average salary league wide is)
13/14: ~$6.21 mil (8% over year one)
14-x: the split of the remaining money spread across the duration of the contract with the appropriate yearly raises.

So hypothetically, if the Bulls have ~$10 million in cap space next year (not likely but it made calculations simple), this is what a 4 year / $40 mil offer sheet deal will look like:

12/13: $5.75 mil (~ average salary)
13/14: $6.21 mil (~ avg salary + 8%)
14/15: $13.55 mil (the rest of the total contractual term due, with 6.9% increases per season)
15/16: $14.48 mil

Those numbers may seem a bit large now (we overvalued Asik for argument's sake) but that's what the contract could look like.

jp611
06-18-2012, 03:53 PM
If anyone is dumb enough to give Asik 13+ million a year after the first 2 seasons just to pry him away from the bulls, they can have him

TopsyTurvy
06-18-2012, 04:10 PM
If anyone is dumb enough to give Asik 13+ million a year after the first 2 seasons just to pry him away from the bulls, they can have him

With an $8 million per year contract, the final two years would be around $11-12 million respectively... Still tough to swallow unless Asik develops offensively.

popo85
06-18-2012, 04:13 PM
Worth 10 mill no way he could be good but let him play up to that money first, D.Jordan didn't deserve it either.

JasonJohnHorn
06-18-2012, 04:33 PM
i haven't gotten to watch him play much, but when it comes to young centers, they often get contracts the size of their potential and not their actual productivity. So yeah... he may end up getting more than he's worth.

LTBaByyy
06-18-2012, 04:36 PM
Rockets try to get everybody haha

Toxeryll
06-18-2012, 04:42 PM
lol this guy is so overrated

LGhost
06-18-2012, 04:45 PM
lol this guy is so overrated

lol i don't like the color lavender

justinnum1
06-18-2012, 04:46 PM
lol this guy is so overrated

He is a top 5 defesnive big imo. worth 7mil currently, if he can develop some kind of offensive game(catching the ball) then i think he can be worth 10mil per

bbcmillionaire
06-18-2012, 04:54 PM
Lol back off Houston and Boston, he's ours*pulls out knife*

Eagles4Lyfe
06-18-2012, 04:55 PM
If D'andre Jordan got the contract he got and can't even hit the rim on the free throw how can you guys even criticize this??

John Walls Era
06-18-2012, 05:02 PM
Depends how its structured. If its 8 million per year (starting at 8) for 5 years, hell no. Maybe starting at 5 million and slowly increases and finally to 8 million in his last year (5 year contract).

TheNumber37
06-18-2012, 05:18 PM
Asik would be a nice additions for the celtics. Really helps their rebounding and rim protection woes when KG is not on the floor.... I'm assuming they resign KG.

King41
06-18-2012, 05:32 PM
8mil?? lol never
i would gief him 5-6

kozelkid
06-18-2012, 06:46 PM
Non story. Bulls will match and I doubt a trade will even happen until at least year two of his contact. Taj is the one I'd be a little more concerned about ATM even though he claims he doesn't want to leave.

ImDaBaron
06-18-2012, 07:02 PM
They can make whatever offers they want. I think its going to have to be a pretty ridiculous offer for us not to match.

DeRaptor95
06-18-2012, 07:08 PM
I hope his dirty *** goes to the d-league

ImDaBaron
06-18-2012, 07:09 PM
^^^ lol what?

theheatles
06-18-2012, 09:47 PM
What's the most the bulls can afford to pay asik?

Pierzynski4Prez
06-18-2012, 09:53 PM
What's the most the bulls can afford to pay asik?

They can match whatever a team offers, which they will. But with the luxury tax, its assumed they'll be looking to move other contracts, i.e. deng and/or boozer if possible. A big if possible though.

Ezio
06-18-2012, 09:54 PM
What's the most the bulls can afford to pay asik?

5 mil is the max for the 1st year so yeah.

smiddy012
06-18-2012, 11:00 PM
Inconsistent rebounder? Am I missing something? He's arguably the Bulls best rebounder... the only reason I suppose he is inconsistent in his rebounding is because his minutes are often inconsistent.

Celtics would start Asik and put KG at PF, no doubt in my mind. That would be pretty sick IMO. Asik has shown potential offensively but at this point he's nothing but a dunker, KG's range would work well with Asik's current lack of shooting.

smiddy012
06-18-2012, 11:02 PM
I hope his dirty *** goes to the d-league

Asik continually gets beat up by opponents and pissed on by refs, I don't know what you're smokin.

JordansBulls
06-19-2012, 01:27 AM
I wouldn't give this guy more than 3 million a year honestly.

Bigbadmoffo
06-19-2012, 02:22 AM
The bulls should rip it ip for short rebuild while rose is hurt.

Chronz
06-19-2012, 04:07 AM
I wouldn't give this guy more than 3 million a year honestly.

LOL, if this was 2K and you offered him that deal he would never do business with your team again.

BSardogan
06-19-2012, 09:25 AM
I wouldn't give this guy more than 3 million a year honestly.

In a league where Kwame Brown makes 7m a year, Biedrins makes 9m, McGee wants a max deal (and might even get something like that), you pay Asik 3 million?

:bs:

pacofunk64
06-19-2012, 09:36 AM
Asik is not worth 8million. Yes he is talented but I don't think he can be anything more than a 20-25 minutes per game guy.

I Rock Shaqs
06-19-2012, 09:45 AM
LOL at the OP saying i'd give him 8-9 mil, he has butter fingers, and an inconsistent rebounder... why is he worth that again?

nycericanguy
06-19-2012, 10:01 AM
Listen I like Asik, I think he's a solid player, but he is really starting to get ridiculously overrated. He's a career 3ppg 4rpg guy. And he's going to be 26 so this is PRIME years for him. He's a very solid defender but he also plays for a coach and system that absolutely DEMANDS that. So you wonder if he'd be the same defender elsewhere.

$8-9m per? Thats insane... His worth is right around $4m-5m. But if BOS or someone else wants to steal him from CHI they would have to offer at least $7m I imagine in a backloaded contract.

And if I'm CHI, I let him go at that price. I mean I don't want to look too far ahead, but in 2014 CHI has a chance to have a TON of cap space if they amnesty Boozer in that final year. A backup center making $7-9m could kill that for them. Right now CHI is so limited in what they can do, they just might have to wait until 2014 to build a title team.

Brink182
06-19-2012, 10:39 AM
Omer Asik Per 36 -

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2010-11 24 CHI NBA 82 0 989 2.8 5.1 .553 0.0 0.0 2.7 5.3 .503 4.1 7.1 11.1 1.2 0.7 2.0 2.3 5.6 8.3
2011-12 25 CHI NBA 66 2 971 2.9 5.8 .506 0.0 0.0 1.7 3.8 .456 4.7 8.3 13.0 1.2 1.1 2.5 2.5 4.5 7.6

Inconsistent rebounder? right.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-19-2012, 11:30 AM
oh jesus

thekmp211
06-19-2012, 12:33 PM
lol, celtics will just sign him outright, no need to give the bulls a player.


Do you know what Restricted means? And I don't believe he is allowed to earn that much on his next contract, similar to Lin.

either way its a smart move for boston to throw some money at him. best case we get a great young defensive center. worst case, the bulls overpay for a guy who will be a backup for them.

reminds me a lot of the gortat situation, i do hope we get him.

xabial
06-19-2012, 12:49 PM
Don't the Rockets have Sam Dalembert?

Do you know why Dalemburt was given a One year Contract, with a Team Option for a Second Year?

Thats about as team friendly contract you can Get, for a Center.

Dalemburts OK but Definitely Not a Long Term Answer.

I see Rockets Exercising their $6.3M Team Option on Dalemburt for 2013, but then he'll leave them because Some Center Desperate Team will overpaying him.

Maybe The Rockets Can See That Happening?

smiddy012
06-19-2012, 02:36 PM
Omer Asik Per 36 -

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2010-11 24 CHI NBA 82 0 989 2.8 5.1 .553 0.0 0.0 2.7 5.3 .503 4.1 7.1 11.1 1.2 0.7 2.0 2.3 5.6 8.3
2011-12 25 CHI NBA 66 2 971 2.9 5.8 .506 0.0 0.0 1.7 3.8 .456 4.7 8.3 13.0 1.2 1.1 2.5 2.5 4.5 7.6

Inconsistent rebounder? right.

This.

sep11ie
06-19-2012, 02:42 PM
I wouldn't give this guy more than 3 million a year honestly.

That's cause YOU don't have 3 million dollars.

smiddy012
06-19-2012, 02:44 PM
Listen I like Asik, I think he's a solid player, but he is really starting to get ridiculously overrated. He's a career 3ppg 4rpg guy. And he's going to be 26 so this is PRIME years for him. He's a very solid defender but he also plays for a coach and system that absolutely DEMANDS that. So you wonder if he'd be the same defender elsewhere.

He's started a hand-full of games his whole career. In those he has done well. He is not simply a "very solid" defender he is a great defender. He's had a whole 2 seasons of play in the best basketball environment in the world, now do me a favor and compare our competition with that of Turkeys. No one even expected him to play his first season here, absolutely no one, yet he earned playing time.

The argument that he's already hit his prime is ridiculous, he's had an entire two years of development in the US. It's not like his body is going to deteriorate anytime soon, and his skills (his primary weakness) will only get better like they have with another year in the US. The dude is a freak athletically, DH is the only center in the league who surely has a better combination of strength, agility, and speed. Asik can run very well, very naturally, and is extremely agile for a center.