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Fresno
06-16-2012, 09:53 PM
If every member would take the time to vote, it would give us an official vote on who most consider to be the worst HC in the NBA.



Note:

- Interim coaches who took over mid-season for their respective team are excluded(Randy Wittman, Keith Smart, Mike Woodson, & Kaleb Canales).

- Fired coaches who lost their job mid-season/post-season are excluded(Flip Saunders, Mike D'Antoni, Paul Westphal, Nate McMillan, Paul Silas,& Stan Van Gundy)

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 09:57 PM
woodson

b@llhog24
06-16-2012, 10:02 PM
Lawrence Frank.

CaptainClutch
06-16-2012, 10:03 PM
Lawrence Frank. Won 14 straight with the Nets......crickets ever since :D

b@llhog24
06-16-2012, 10:04 PM
Gentry, Johnson, Scott (Byron) are legit.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-16-2012, 10:04 PM
Why is Doug Collins on this list?

Hunter48MVP
06-16-2012, 10:06 PM
Vinny Del Negro

Bulls_fan90
06-16-2012, 10:09 PM
Vinny.

meloman1592
06-16-2012, 10:10 PM
woodson

>spoelstra

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:10 PM
Why is Doug Collins on this list?
Because he's been fired 3 times.

Up until he joined the TV fraternity as a play-by-play man, he was frequently acknowledged as an under-achiever with his teams. Mike Dunleavy Sr is another guy in the same situation who has been fired by nearly every team he's coached, but highly respected in the profession.

I dont think he's the worst coach in the NBA, but he deserves to be on this list of the bottom 12.

Giannis94
06-16-2012, 10:10 PM
someone create worst gm...I cant think of a list with 1 option: john hammond

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:15 PM
Shouldn't you put every NBA coach in the poll? Or are you suggesting every coach in this poll sucks? If so :facepalm:

CaptainClutch
06-16-2012, 10:15 PM
someone create worst gm...I cant think of a list with 1 option: john hammond

BILLY KING / anyone who becomes the Nets GM....its a curse

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:16 PM
Where's Silas with the Bobcats?

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:17 PM
Where's Silas with the Bobcats?

Read the OP.

He quit/retired.

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 10:18 PM
edit: i see why woodson is not an option, but he is the worst coach imo. Doesnt know what an adjustment is.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:18 PM
Isn't this Mark Jackson's first year as head coach?

DR_1
06-16-2012, 10:20 PM
In B4 fireworks.

Toss up between VDN, Brown, and Spo

Cal827
06-16-2012, 10:22 PM
someone create worst gm...I cant think of a list with 1 option: john hammond

haha, but Billy King makes trades that rival the NBA 2k gaming franchise in Stupidity!

Also, I would bet that we would put Paul Silas on this list, and he wouldn't get a ton of votes... I don't think Popovich could get more than 15 wins from that horrible squad :pity:

Worst coach: Del Negro

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:22 PM
Read the OP.

He quit/retired.

You need to put every coach in NBA. Otherwise this is just a poll of a group of coaches you deem insufficient. And 'Other' doesn't count. I could make a case for half these coaches succeeding with better talent.

joneill5611
06-16-2012, 10:23 PM
Take Doug off that list you scum what he did with the 76ers over the last two years is incredible, If the sixers would have won game 7 against Boston it would have been one of the best coaching jobs in the NBA in the last 10 years at least in this time of superstars and don't give me the bulls were hurt they still took the celtics to a 7th game who took the heat to a 7th game no one wants to give the sixers any credit for the year they had with a far less superior team he has shown the NBA that playing the right way is still important he is an absolute top ten coach and last year was a top 5 coach easy your trying to tell me guys like spoelstra and Brooks could do the job he did with the sixers over the past two years, not even close you moron

spreadeagle
06-16-2012, 10:25 PM
If every member would take the time to vote, it would give us an official vote on who most consider to be the worst HC in the NBA.

why u got Casey on there...he took the team from like last in every defensive category to top 15.....and got a team with 0 star players to get more wins in a short season then they had the previous year under a different coach :facepalm:

spreadeagle
06-16-2012, 10:25 PM
Take Doug off that list you scum what he did with the 76ers over the last two years is incredible, If the sixers would have won game 7 against Boston it would have been one of the best coaching jobs in the NBA in the last 10 years at least in this time of superstars and don't give me the bulls were hurt they still took the celtics to a 7th game who took the heat to a 7th game no one wants to give the sixers any credit for the year they had with a far less superior team he has shown the NBA that playing the right way is still important he is an absolute top ten coach and last year was a top 5 coach easy your trying to tell me guys like spoelstra and Brooks could do the job he did with the sixers over the past two years, not even close you moron
lmao

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:30 PM
Shouldn't you put every NBA coach in the poll? Or are you suggesting every coach in this poll sucks? If so :facepalm:

If you feel someone not in that poll should be there, you have the choice to pick "Other" and let it be known which guy not included is actually the worst coach in the NBA.

Not "one of the worst" but the actual worst coach in the NBA. There is no argument that can be made that anybody not in that poll is the absolute worst coach in the NBA.

cbreezy34
06-16-2012, 10:32 PM
This O.P. needs his head examined.... having Doug Collins on this list is a joke.

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:32 PM
You need to put every coach in NBA. Otherwise this is just a poll of a group of coaches you deem insufficient. And 'Other' doesn't count. I could make a case for half these coaches succeeding with better talent.

I could make a case half of these coaches have had "better talent" and failed.

Your point?

If you have an argument to be made, then make it for why you picked the "Other" option for a specific coach.

ManRam
06-16-2012, 10:33 PM
i used to think VDN got an unfair rep...

but that was a year ago. he deserves it.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:37 PM
If you feel someone not in that poll should be there, you have the choice to pick "Other" and let it be known which guy not included is actually the worst coach in the NBA.

Not "one of the worst" but the actual worst coach in the NBA. There is no argument that can be made that anybody not in that poll is the absolute worst coach in the NBA.

So you're proving my point? Then why have other?

thedfactor
06-16-2012, 10:37 PM
Coach Spo No Mo, but I voted Mike Brown

ball4reel
06-16-2012, 10:37 PM
edit: i see why woodson is not an option, but he is the worst coach imo. Doesnt know what an adjustment is.


Spo, is hanging on to his job by Lebrons jock strap..Worst coach out of a TO ive ever seen..:facepalm:

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:39 PM
I could make a case half of these coaches have had "better talent" and failed.

Your point?

If you have an argument to be made, then make it for why you picked the "Other" option for a specific coach.

Other is meaningless. Ladies and Gentlemen this year "other" was the worst coach in the league.

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:39 PM
Take Doug off that list you scum what he did with the 76ers over the last two years is incredible, If the sixers would have won game 7 against Boston it would have been one of the best coaching jobs in the NBA in the last 10 years at least in this time of superstars and don't give me the bulls were hurt they still took the celtics to a 7th game who took the heat to a 7th game no one wants to give the sixers any credit for the year they had with a far less superior team he has shown the NBA that playing the right way is still important he is an absolute top ten coach and last year was a top 5 coach easy your trying to tell me guys like spoelstra and Brooks could do the job he did with the sixers over the past two years, not even close you moron


This O.P. needs his head examined.... having Doug Collins on this list is a joke.

- Couldn't win with Jordan, twice. ✔
- Couldn't win with Grant Hill during Jordan's retirement ✔
- Been fired by every team he has coached ✔


When Philadelphia has a poor record next season, who is going to be the guy to be blamed & ultimately relieved of his duties? It follows a clear trajectory of Collins' career to this point. While he has seen levels of success that has earned him respect in the business, it doesn't change the reality of his career.

If Collins was doing such an amazing job that no other coach could do with the 8th seed 76ers, why did he not receive a single vote for Coach of the Year? His fellow coaches & basketball observers realize his exploits as a coach are often overrated by the TV commentary crews considering he's spent more time in the last 20 years on TV than on the sidelines.

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:41 PM
Other is meaningless. Ladies and Gentlemen this year "other" was the worst coach in the league.

"Other" means you name a guy and make an argument why he is the absolute worst coach in the NBA. The posts in this thread to discuss the topic are just as important as the anonymous votes being cast.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:41 PM
Let's change the title of this poll to "Fresno thinks this list of coaches suck. Which one is the worst?"

cbreezy34
06-16-2012, 10:43 PM
Based on your Sig im assuming you think Harrison Barnes is gonna be the next big thing to?

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:48 PM
Let's change the title of this poll to "Fresno thinks this list of coaches suck. Which one is the worst?"

You can only make an argument for why a guy should not be on this list, but you have gone back and forth and yet to give any reason for why somebody who I did not include is the worst coach in the NBA.

You have more posts than me in this thread.

If you picked "Other" as you've suggested than explain why you did.

Very simple.

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:49 PM
Based on your Sig im assuming you think Harrison Barnes is gonna be the next big thing to?

I think he's going to be a good RF for the Atlanta Braves.

Don't you agree?

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:49 PM
"Other" means you name a guy and make an argument why he is the absolute worst coach in the NBA. The posts in this thread to discuss the topic are just as important as the anonymous votes being cast.

Yep, but the poll says you feel these are the worst.

ManRam
06-16-2012, 10:49 PM
I think Doug Collins is actually a good coach. The "not winning with Jordan" thing is a bit unfair IMO.

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 10:50 PM
Spo, is hanging on to his job by Lebrons jock strap..Worst coach out of a TO ive ever seen..:facepalm:

And you would be wrong.

Ill21
06-16-2012, 10:50 PM
woodson

Come on bro. Sometimes it is just so clear how hard you troll. Most of the time you have solid posts but other times I just wonder why you are such an ***.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:51 PM
You can only make an argument for why a guy should not be on this list, but you have gone back and forth and yet to give any reason for why somebody who I did not include is the worst coach in the NBA.

You have more posts than me in this thread. Dude, obviously you're mad about something.

If you picked "Other" as you've suggested than explain why you did.

Definitely not mad! I just want you to explain why this list of coaches are the worst. So explain!

ball4reel
06-16-2012, 10:52 PM
And you would be wrong.

Your going to tell me when the heat were down 3-2 to the celtics, you were not 1 of the heat fans saying he should be fired???

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 10:53 PM
Come on bro. Sometimes it is just so clear how hard you troll. Most of the time you have solid posts but other times I just wonder why you are such an ***.

Cool story bro. Not liking someones opinion is not a good reason to name call. THe guy is just not a good coach. Offensively he is clueless, runs no plays, doesn't make adjustments, pretty sure the only reason he was resigned is to be a pawn for dolan.

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 10:53 PM
Your going to tell me when the heat were down 3-2 to the celtics, you were not 1 of the heat fans saying he should be fired???

Nope, and you can ask any heat fan that. I support spo, i usually blame the players when we lose.

Spo comes up with good game plans and puts the players in a position to win. Whether wade or bron wants to go hero mode and deviate from the plan is on them. Lebron cost us the ring last year, not spo. And wade almost cost us the ECF, but he showed up in game 7 thankfully.

When you have as much talent as miami does, blaming the coach is weak and pathetic imo.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 10:55 PM
Here's a list of all NBA coaches if anyone cares:


Note: Statistics are correct through April 27, 2012.
Head coach Team Division Conference Start date[a] GC W L Win% GC W L Win% Ref.
Current[b] Career[c]
Larry Drew Atlanta Hawks Southeast Eastern June 13, 2010 148 84 64 .570 148 84 64 .570 [9][10]
Doc Rivers Boston Celtics Atlantic Eastern April 29, 2004 640 375 265 .599 979 546 433 .572 [11][12]
Avery Johnson Brooklyn Nets Atlantic Eastern June 10, 2010 148 46 102 .322 412 240 172 .585 [13][14]
Vacant Charlotte Bobcats Southeast Eastern TBD
Tom Thibodeau Chicago Bulls Central Eastern June 23, 2010 148 112 36 .752 148 112 36 .752 [15][16]
Byron Scott Cleveland Cavaliers Central Eastern July 1, 2010 148 40 108 .277 855 392 463 .458 [17][18]
Rick Carlisle Dallas Mavericks Southwest Western May 9, 2008 312 198 114 .640 804 479 325 .590 [19][20]
George Karl Denver Nuggets Northwest Western January 27, 2005 598 366 232 .625 1,805 1,074 731 .602 [21][22]
Lawrence Frank Detroit Pistons Central Eastern August 3, 2011 66 25 41 .379 532 250 282 .465 [23][24]
Mark Jackson Golden State Warriors Pacific Western June 6, 2011 66 23 43 .339 66 23 43 .339 [25]
Kevin McHale Houston Rockets Southwest Western June 1, 2011 66 34 32 .505 160 71 89 .448 [26][27]
Frank Vogel Indiana Pacers Central Eastern January 30, 2011 104 61 43 .566 104 61 43 .566 [28][29]
Vinny Del Negro Los Angeles Clippers Pacific Western July 7, 2010 148 72 76 .486 312 154 158 .482 [30][31]
Mike Brown Los Angeles Lakers Pacific Western May 31, 2011 66 41 25 .621 476 313 163 .658 [32][33]
Lionel Hollins Memphis Grizzlies Southwest Western January 25, 2009 269[d] 140 129 .514 333 158 175 .469 [34][35]
Erik Spoelstra Miami Heat Southeast Eastern April 28, 2008 312 194 118 .644 312 194 118 .644 [36][37]
Scott Skiles Milwaukee Bucks Central Eastern April 21, 2008 312 146 166 .471 844 427 417 .505 [38][39]
Rick Adelman Minnesota Timberwolves Northwest Western September 28, 2011 66 26 40 .392 1,627 971 656 .588 [40][41]
Monty Williams New Orleans Hornets Southwest Western June 7, 2010 148 67 81 .487 148 67 81 .487 [42][43]
Mike Woodson New York Knicks Atlantic Eastern March 14, 2012 24 18 6 .750 516 224 292 .424 [7][44]
Scott Brooks Oklahoma City Thunder Northwest Western November 22, 2008 299 173 126 .581 299 173 126 .581 [45][46]
Vacant Orlando Magic Southeast Eastern TBD
Doug Collins Philadelphia 76ers Atlantic Eastern May 21, 2010 148 76 72 .514 767 408 359 .544 [47][48]
Alvin Gentry Phoenix Suns Pacific Western February 16, 2009 261 145 116 .556 664 322 342 .470 [49][50]
Kaleb Canales Portland Trail Blazers Northwest Western March 15, 2012 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 .000 [8]
Keith Smart Sacramento Kings Pacific Western January 5, 2012 59 20 39 .340 181 65 116 .352 [5][51]
Gregg Popovich San Antonio Spurs Southwest Western December 10, 1996 1,246 847 399 .683 1,246 847 399 .683 [52][53]
Dwane Casey Toronto Raptors Atlantic Eastern June 21, 2011 66 23 43 .341 188 76 112 .409 [54][55]
Tyrone Corbin Utah Jazz Northwest Western February 10, 2011 94 44 50 .481 94 44 50 .481 [56][57]
Randy Wittman Washington Wizards Southeast Eastern January 24, 2012 49 18 31 .349 356 118 238 .330 [6][58]

Gators123
06-16-2012, 10:55 PM
Lawrence Frank is actually a pretty good coach. I don't think the Pistons had a single problem in the locker room last year. The three previous years with Curry and Kuester the locker room was a complete mess.

He had the Pistons playing .500 basketball for the majority of the season.

ManningToTyree
06-16-2012, 10:56 PM
Woodson is not the worst coach. No one could honestly want Frank over him.

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 10:58 PM
i dont count coaches on bad teams(less than .500) because not that much is expected of them.

and there are very few good coaches on bad teams.

ball4reel
06-16-2012, 10:58 PM
Nope, and you can ask any heat fan that. I support spo, i usually blame the players when we lose.

Spo comes up with good game plans and puts the players in a position to win. Whether wade or bron wants to go hero mode and deviate from the plan is on them. Lebron cost us the ring last year, not spo. And wade almost cost us the ECF, but he showed up in game 7 thankfully.

When you have as much talent as miami does, blaming the coach is weak and pathetic imo.

Then i stand corrected...We can agree to disagree. You dont like woodson as a coach and I think Spro Sucks..

Fresno
06-16-2012, 10:59 PM
[/B]

Yep, but the poll says you feel these are the worst.

You still dont understand this.

The question isn't "Who are among the worst coaches in the NBA?"

The question is "Who is the worst coach in the NBA?" Pick one.

Its not an indictment on the guys in the poll to say that they are bad coaches, but rather a far more simple way to select from a group of 12.

All you have to do is say who the worst coach in the NBA is.

Why are you going through all of this?

NBA_Starter
06-16-2012, 10:59 PM
Paul Silas

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:04 PM
Then i stand corrected...We can agree to disagree. You dont like woodson as a coach and I think Spro Sucks..

A lot of people do, heat fans included, but like i said, with the talent miami has, i wont balem the coach unless its something crazy, like playing cole and anthony at the end of a game or something.

I was mad at spo for not calling the 2nd timeout at teh end of game 2 to get the ball over half court(wade rushed it across and turned it over)

but also, spos starting lineup(going small, battier at the 4) has paid off so far and miami now has home court.

From what i have seen in woodsons career, i think he is awful, Never has gotten out of the 2nd round with all that talent in atlanta. A full training camp in NY will help and maybe he improves next season. Atlanta got swept by orlando in 2010, then with drew in 2011, they beat orlando in 5.

Also, you say spo sucks, why?

Fresno
06-16-2012, 11:05 PM
Definitely not mad! I just want you to explain why this list of coaches are the worst. So explain!

I never said this group of coaches are "bad coaches".

Its a group of 12.

The "other" 12 are Doc Rivers, Tom Thibodeau, Greg Popovich, Lionel Hollins, Erik Spoelstra, George Karl, Rick Adelman, Monty Williams, Rick Carlisle, Frank Vogel, Monty Williams, & the 2 current NBA finalists in Erik Spoelstra & Scott Brooks.

I split it in 1/2 for a reason.

Only 8 coaches have even received a vote as being the "worst coach in the NBA", but if I singled those guys out then you'd still have a problem.

TylerSL
06-16-2012, 11:07 PM
>spoelstra

no

seikou8
06-16-2012, 11:08 PM
tim tebow

Fresno
06-16-2012, 11:11 PM
A lot of people do, heat fans included, but like i said, with the talent miami has, i wont balem the coach unless its something crazy, like playing cole and anthony at the end of a game or something.

I was mad at spo for not calling the 2nd timeout at teh end of game 2 to get the ball over half court(wade rushed it across and turned it over)

but also, spos starting lineup(going small, battier at the 4) has paid off so far and miami now has home court.

From what i have seen in woodsons career, i think he is awful, Never has gotten out of the 2nd round with all that talent in atlanta. A full training camp in NY will help and maybe he improves next season.

Also, you say spo sucks, why?
Spo isn't a bad coach at all, its just that people think that trying to blame Spo for the Heat not winning a Championship will bring Pat Riley out of retirement to coach them.

I dont think people truly believe Spo is a bad coach, but they would much rather see Riley coaching LeBron/Wade/Bosh for whatever reason.

TylerSL
06-16-2012, 11:11 PM
Vdn

DeRaptor95
06-16-2012, 11:12 PM
LOL 2 ppl voted for dwane casey??? #TROLLS :facepalm:

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 11:14 PM
You still dont understand this.

The question isn't "Who are among the worst coaches in the NBA?"

The question is "Who is the worst coach in the NBA?" Pick one.

Its not an indictment on the guys in the poll to say that they are bad coaches, but rather a far more simple way to select from a group of 12.

All you have to do is say who the worst coach in the NBA is.

Why are you going through all of this?

Am I talking to a wall?
Do you understand how a poll works?
Nothing against Mike Woodson... But what if a group of people think Woodson is the worst coach? So they enter 'other'. But then another group think Spo (nothing against Spo) is the worst... So the enter 'other'.
You get it?
Otherwise it's SUBJECTIVE.
Please never go into journalism.

ball4reel
06-16-2012, 11:15 PM
A lot of people do, heat fans included, but like i said, with the talent miami has, i wont balem the coach unless its something crazy, like playing cole and anthony at the end of a game or something.

I was mad at spo for not calling the 2nd timeout at teh end of game 2 to get the ball over half court(wade rushed it across and turned it over)

but also, spos starting lineup(going small, battier at the 4) has paid off so far and miami now has home court.

From what i have seen in woodsons career, i think he is awful, Never has gotten out of the 2nd round with all that talent in atlanta. A full training camp in NY will help and maybe he improves next season. Atlanta got swept by orlando in 2010, then with drew in 2011, they beat orlando in 5.

Also, you say spo sucks, why?

I will get back to you on Woodson, give him full training camp and lets see what he can do.. As far as SPO goes,All i see from him is iso at the end of games and bad play calling out of time-outs.Maybe is lebron and wade just doing there on thing at the end of games and not running his plays. But the the star power on the heat it seems like 2/3 of your end of game plays land in the lap of your 4th or 5th option players.But i am not saying he is the worst..just bad

DR_1
06-16-2012, 11:16 PM
Spolstera is clearly the worst coach in the NBA.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 11:18 PM
I never said this group of coaches are "bad coaches".

Its a group of 12.

The "other" 12 are Doc Rivers, Tom Thibodeau, Greg Popovich, Lionel Hollins, Erik Spoelstra, George Karl, Rick Adelman, Monty Williams, Rick Carlisle, Frank Vogel, Monty Williams, & the 2 current NBA finalists in Erik Spoelstra & Scott Brooks.

I split it in 1/2 for a reason.

Only 8 coaches have even received a vote as being the "worst coach in the NBA", but if I singled those guys out then you'd still have a problem.

I don't have a problem. I just want to know why you selected those coaches. Which you have still yet to explain. You split it for a reason... Why?

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:27 PM
Spolstera is clearly the worst coach in the NBA.

lmao, to obvious.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 11:31 PM
lmao, to obvious.

Don't worry Spoelstra is part of "other" and doesn't really count.

DR_1
06-16-2012, 11:31 PM
Don't worry Spoelstra is part of "other" and doesn't really count.

:laugh:

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:32 PM
drose is just a heat hater and will say anything as long as its about the heat lol

TylerSL
06-16-2012, 11:32 PM
Spolstera is clearly the worst coach in the NBA.

fail troll

enjoy your offseason, kid.

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:34 PM
fail troll

enjoy your offseason, kid.

His anger is understandable

DR_1
06-16-2012, 11:34 PM
lmao, to obvious.

I know right!

Iceman_9
06-16-2012, 11:35 PM
Brown sucks. He has a talented lineup but can't seem to put it together.

TylerSL
06-16-2012, 11:35 PM
His anger is understandable

yea I know, he must have a bad life, if he feels the need to come talk crap on an internet forum....

DR_1
06-16-2012, 11:36 PM
drose is just a heat hater and will say anything as long as its about the heat lol

Says the guy that is in the Bulls forum every day. :laugh2:

Fresno
06-16-2012, 11:37 PM
Spolstera is clearly the worst coach in the NBA.

How's that ACL doing?

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:37 PM
Says the guy that is in the Bulls forum every day. :laugh2:

Havent been in there since rose's accident. And probably wont be in there for a long time, or at least until they are a threat to miami again.




How's that ACL doing?

lol, rose will probably lose some of his explosion but he will make a good recovery and the bulls will be back to contending in 2014.

DR_1
06-16-2012, 11:37 PM
yea I know, he must have a bad life, if he feels the need to come talk crap on an internet forum....

Pot, meet kettle

TylerSL
06-16-2012, 11:38 PM
Pot, meet kettle

I'm not talking ****, just stating what I see, nice try tho..

Fresno
06-16-2012, 11:39 PM
Don't worry Spoelstra is part of "other" and doesn't really count.

Why would I put him in the poll?

He's been to 2 consecutive NBA Finals.

DR_1
06-16-2012, 11:39 PM
How's that ACL doing?

Troll fail. I can't express my beliefs? :facepalm:

ChitownBears22
06-16-2012, 11:40 PM
Why would I put him in the poll?

He's been to 2 consecutive NBA Finals.

Because Spo is a horrible coach. He gets paid to sit courtside and watch basketball. He has no influence on the game.

DR_1
06-16-2012, 11:41 PM
I'm not talking ****, just stating what I see, nice try tho..

:laugh:

TylerSL
06-16-2012, 11:41 PM
Because Spo is a horrible coach. He gets paid to sit courtside and watch basketball. He has no influence on the game.

this is wrong.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 11:41 PM
DRose, JustinNumm, and Tyler SL let's put our differences aside for a moment and focus our attention on the biased thread. We don't see Spo or Thibs on the poll for you to even argue over (I'm making assumptions on Bulls and Heat) who is worse. So in a sense for the moment you're on the same team... 'Other'. Other can't argue with other.

ChitownBears22
06-16-2012, 11:42 PM
this is wrong.

Ok. He has some influence on the defense. He is a bad coach though. Any team that scores 9% of the time after a timeout has a coaching problem.

DR_1
06-16-2012, 11:42 PM
Arch Stanton for prez!

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:42 PM
of the options available i say VDN

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:43 PM
Ok. He has some influence on the defense. He is a bad coach though. Any team that scores 9% of the time after a timeout has a coaching problem.

where did you find that stat?

TylerSL
06-16-2012, 11:44 PM
Ok. He has some influence on the defense. He is a bad coach though. Any team that scores 9% of the time after a timeout has a coaching problem.

I do agree that he needs to work on his offensive capabilities.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 11:45 PM
Why would I put him in the poll?

He's been to 2 consecutive NBA Finals.

So has Byron Scott... And I believe Mike Brown has been there once.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 11:45 PM
Why would I put him in the poll?

He's been to 2 consecutive NBA Finals.

Also Avery had been there once.

ChitownBears22
06-16-2012, 11:47 PM
where did you find that stat?

Let me try to find the link real quick. It was on ESPN the other day. It was the second lowest in the NBA, only team worse was NJ.

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 11:49 PM
Why would I put him in the poll?

He's been to 2 consecutive NBA Finals.

Here's a note on Alvin Gentry:

Gentry’s Suns have compiled a 112-83 (.574) record, giving him the sixth-highest win percentage among coaches in franchise history.

lavell12
06-16-2012, 11:52 PM
Based on your Sig im assuming you think Harrison Barnes is gonna be the next big thing to?

maybe he has Collins on the list and mentioned Dunleavy Sr b/c he hates them b/c he is a UNC fan and their son's went to Duke.

ChitownBears22
06-16-2012, 11:52 PM
where did you find that stat?

Also just realized it said 9%. It should be 39%. Dont know why the 3 was left off. Whoops.

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:53 PM
ok
It's a scenario that repeats itself over and over. The details change but the concept remains the same: NBA teams aim to grab quick buckets on the possessions immediately following timeouts (also known as ATO plays), usually exploiting a mismatch or defensive liability. The coach diagrams a play, his team runs it, two points. "Scoring out of timeouts is important because it's pretty much the only situation where the head coach has complete control of what everyone is doing. So if the coach sees something or sees a mismatch, he can direct his guys to do that right out of the timeout," says Sebastian Pruiti, who founded NBAPlaybook.com and spent a season coaching with the D-League's Fort Wayne Mad Ants.

"We had a sheet with plays that we liked and that we could run coming out of timeouts. Then as the timeout called we take the situation, personnel, and what the defense is doing into consideration and then we drew up one of the plays we had. Sometimes it could be a counter, too. If a team's running one play over and over, maybe draw up the same play, but with a backdoor cut to trick the defense."

Some coaches are, of course, better than others at drawing plays. Pruiti and Kevin Pelton, who covers the sport for Basketball Prospectus (and sometimes for The Classical), both cited Popovich and Doc Rivers as two of the best—"in a league of their own, in my opinion," Pruiti says. Pelton also singled out the coach of the upstart Philadelphia 76ers for praise. "Doug Collins has always had a great reputation for ATO plays," Pelton says. "There was a line in Michael Leahy's Jordan book quoting an assistant on how the Wizards could have won every game if Collins got to draw up a play every time down the court."

The worst, according to Pruiti and Pelton—and pretty much everyone else paying attention—were the Los Angeles Clippers. Vinny Del Negro and Atlanta Hawks head coach Larry Drew. "Check out this [Hawks] huddle from their game against Boston," Pruiti says. "That's a terrible huddle. You got guys not knowing what play is being run, Larry Drew isn't drawing anything, and you got a bunch of different guys talking at once. Exactly what you don't want to happen."

But do the numbers back up the anecdotal observations? Yes and no. Synergy Sports provided some offensive efficiency numbers and a few stats stuck out. Only four teams scored more points per possession immediately following timeouts than they did on their overall half-court sets. On average, teams score 0.878 points per possession in half-court sets but only 0.849 points per possession in the first half-court possession after a timeout. Pruiti hypothesizes that while timeouts give coaches an opportunity to call a play, they also ensure the defense is set, which makes scoring more difficult.

The four teams who are better immediately following timeouts: The Memphis Grizzles (0.866 ATO PPP; 0.85 overall PPP), the Los Angeles Lakers (0.914; 0.894), the Miami Heat (0.92; 0.909) and, surprisingly, the Los Angeles Clippers (0.933; 0.912). In fact, only the San Antonio Spurs had a higher ATO PPP (0.939) than the Clippers. Del Negro might call terrible plays—everyone seems to think so, at least—but Chris Paul makes up for a lot.

Miami is #3 in out of timeout ...
http://theclassical.org/articles/the-nba-out-of-timeouts

i will try to find some more stats

Arch Stanton
06-16-2012, 11:55 PM
I'd honestly like to know how one would measure coaching? Other than team record...

ChitownBears22
06-16-2012, 11:56 PM
ok

Miami is #3 in out of timeout ...
http://theclassical.org/articles/the-nba-out-of-timeouts

i will try to find some more stats

I have no idea what ESPN was talking about then. Maybe in the playoffs, or maybe it was just talking about shooting percentage coming out of timeouts. Not really sure.

meloman1592
06-16-2012, 11:56 PM
edit: i see why woodson is not an option, but he is the worst coach imo. Doesnt know what an adjustment is.

At least he doen't get yelled at by his star player

ThunderousDemon
06-16-2012, 11:58 PM
At least he doen't get yelled at by his star player

That's true. +1

Hawkeye15
06-16-2012, 11:58 PM
If Randy Whittman has a head coaching job, he is the right answer.

BigBlueCrew
06-16-2012, 11:59 PM
Cool story bro. Not liking someones opinion is not a good reason to name call. THe guy is just not a good coach. Offensively he is clueless, runs no plays, doesn't make adjustments, pretty sure the only reason he was resigned is to be a pawn for dolan.

haha, If you didn't you mention Dolan I could have sworn would were talking about Eric Spoelstra

Spo is the worst coach in the NBA in case someone didn't pick up on it.

justinnum1
06-16-2012, 11:59 PM
I have no idea what ESPN was talking about then. Maybe in the playoffs, or maybe it was just talking about shooting percentage coming out of timeouts. Not really sure.
Yea, that looks like playoffs, but i know for a fact miami is one of the better teams coming out of the time out, biggest problem is wade and bron like to break out of the play and go hero mode some times.

At least he doen't get yelled at by his star player

lmao, try harder. Spo is a much better coach that woodson, thats not close.



haha, If you didn't you mention Dolan I could have sworn would were talking about Eric Spoelstra

Spo is the worst coach in the NBA in case someone didn't pick up on it.

except miami ranks high in all those areas, knicks offense is atrocious even tho they have melo and amare

ChitownBears22
06-16-2012, 11:59 PM
At least he doen't get yelled at by his star player

Yeah Jordan and Kobe never yelled at Phil.......haha Knicks fans and their delusion. what does a player yelling at you have to do with talents as a coach. SVG got fired by Dwight basically, do you think he is a bad coach?

justinnum1
06-17-2012, 12:02 AM
Yeah Jordan and Kobe never yelled at Phil.......haha Knicks fans and their delusion. what does a player yelling at you have to do with talents as a coach. SVG got fired by Dwight basically, do you think he is a bad coach?

Damn, take it easy on him. lol

ThunderousDemon
06-17-2012, 12:02 AM
Yeah Jordan and Kobe never yelled at Phil.......haha Knicks fans and their delusion. what does a player yelling at you have to do with talents as a coach. SVG got fired by Dwight basically, do you think he is a bad coach?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boddPCVtUgo

I never saw Kobe get in Phil's face like Wade did to Coach Spoelstra.

ChitownBears22
06-17-2012, 12:03 AM
Damn, take it easy on him. lol

I would but Knicks fans in general have gotten on my nerves lately. After they got booted from the playoffs they have gone on 100% troll mode.

BigBlueCrew
06-17-2012, 12:03 AM
Yea, that looks like playoffs, but i know for a fact miami is one of the better teams coming out of the time out, biggest problem is wade and bron like to break out of the play and go hero mode some times.


lmao, try harder. Spo is a much better coach that woodson, thats not close.




except miami ranks high in all those areas, knicks offense is atrocious even tho they have melo and amare

I thought you said melo and amare dont work well together?

ChitownBears22
06-17-2012, 12:08 AM
I thought you said melo and amare dont work well together?

They don't. Enjoy the perenial round 1 oust from the playoffs.

justinnum1
06-17-2012, 12:09 AM
I thought you said melo and amare dont work well together?

That doesnt mean a good coach can't get something out of them. They wont be winning a rings together but they should be a top 4 seed.

TylerSL
06-17-2012, 12:09 AM
haha, If you didn't you mention Dolan I could have sworn would were talking about Eric Spoelstra

Spo is the worst coach in the NBA in case someone didn't pick up on it.

Spoelstra>Woodson

get over it..

ChitownBears22
06-17-2012, 12:11 AM
Spoelstra>Woodson

get over it..

Proof: Spo is in the Finals, Woodson is fishing.

TylerSL
06-17-2012, 12:11 AM
I would but Knicks fans in general have gotten on my nerves lately. After they got booted from the playoffs they have gone on 100% troll mode.

and they think their team is comparable to Miami, which I find frustrating.

ChitownBears22
06-17-2012, 12:12 AM
and they think their team is comparable to Miami, which I find frustrating.

They are comparable in the sense they are both NBA teams. If you look at talent it is laughable. Ask round 1 of the playoffs.

TylerSL
06-17-2012, 12:13 AM
They are comparable in the sense they are both NBA teams. If you look at talent it is laughable. Ask round 1 of the playoffs.

yea thats what I mean, this Knicks team as is will never make it out of Round 1.

clutchski
06-17-2012, 12:14 AM
Whoever picked Dwayne Casey is a ****ing ******* and has no idea what kind of culture he's trying to build.

rhino17
06-17-2012, 12:15 AM
toss up between Mike Brown and Kevin McHale for me

BigBlueCrew
06-17-2012, 12:18 AM
That doesnt mean a good coach can't get something out of them. They wont be winning a rings together but they should be a top 4 seed.

what a spin doctor! The chemistry sux, but the coach should be able to work a miracle anyways in half a season worth of coaching.

Ok whatever guy.

Here something more believable. Miami's coach has three of the top ten players in the league and hasn't won anything yet. To top it all off Miami fans wanna pass it off to the rest of us that he has some kind of effect of the outcome of the game.

Wake me up when your ready to rejoin reality.

ChitownBears22
06-17-2012, 12:21 AM
what a spin doctor! The chemistry sux, but the coach should be able to work a miracle anyways in half a season worth of coaching.

Ok whatever guy.

Here something more believable. Miami's coach has three of the top ten players in the league and hasn't won anything yet. To top it all off Miami fans wanna pass it off to the rest of us that he has some kind of effect of the outcome of the game.

Wake me up when your ready to rejoin reality.

How did your playoffs go this year?

justinnum1
06-17-2012, 12:22 AM
what a spin doctor! The chemistry sux, but the coach should be able to work a miracle anyways in half a season worth of coaching.

Ok whatever guy.

Here something more believable. Miami's coach has three of the top ten players in the league and hasn't won anything yet. To top it all off Miami fans wanna pass it off to the rest of us that he has some kind of effect of the outcome of the game.

Wake me up when your ready to rejoin reality.
you blame the coach for them not winning anything, does that mean you dont think lebron chocked in the finals? actually, dont even answer, you already contradicted yourself.

TylerSL
06-17-2012, 12:22 AM
what a spin doctor! The chemistry sux, but the coach should be able to work a miracle anyways in half a season worth of coaching.

Ok whatever guy.

Here something more believable. Miami's coach has three of the top ten players in the league and hasn't won anything yet. To top it all off Miami fans wanna pass it off to the rest of us that he has some kind of effect of the outcome of the game.

Wake me up when your ready to rejoin reality.

start talking crap when the Knicks win a playoff series

Arch Stanton
06-17-2012, 12:26 AM
I love how this thread has turned into an argument btw the Heat, Knicks, and maybe Chicago coaches that aren't even included in the poll.

BigBlueCrew
06-17-2012, 12:27 AM
you blame the coach for them not winning anything, does that mean you dont think lebron chocked in the finals? actually, dont even answer, you already contradicted yourself.

can I not divide the blame? whether it be 50/50, 60/40,80/20, whatever....

I know a less than complex mind cannot handle these concepts, but it is possible.

justinnum1
06-17-2012, 12:29 AM
start talking crap when the Knicks win a playoff series

It's easy to talk **** when your team isn't good

ChitownBears22
06-17-2012, 12:32 AM
It's easy to talk **** when your team has never been good

fixed

TylerSL
06-17-2012, 12:38 AM
It's easy to talk **** when your team isn't good

yea but then you just look like a loser and it isnt flattering.

Six-8-TheWizard
06-17-2012, 12:57 AM
Why the hell does Dwayne Casey have so many votes?

Gram
06-17-2012, 10:15 AM
John Kuester. There's a reason we didn't extend him. ;)

Gram
06-17-2012, 10:18 AM
I would but Knicks fans in general have gotten on my nerves lately. After they got booted from the playoffs they have gone on 100% troll mode.

Lol Knick fans.

fadedmario
06-17-2012, 11:02 AM
How does Mark Jackson have only two votes? He's the worst and the biggest clown.

CB29
06-17-2012, 11:17 AM
:facepalm: Dwayne Casey got 5 votes... 5 people are just haters... Turned the worst defensive team in the nba last year to a top 10 defensive team with virtually the same roster... GTFO dumbass voters...

Bob_at_york
06-17-2012, 11:19 AM
How does Mark Jackson have only two votes? He's the worst and the biggest clown.

probably because people don't think it is fair to vote for him because he was a rookie head coach.

xxplayerxx23
06-17-2012, 11:46 AM
Lol Heat fans jump on spo when there down 3-2 in the Cs series, they will do they same if he loses this finals. I personally dont think he is anywhere near the worst coach in the NBA, But i find it funny we could dig up 1000 posts fire spo in the heat celtics series

BlinkManJan02
06-17-2012, 12:28 PM
someone create worst gm...I cant think of a list with 1 option: john hammond

haha, the Bucks are just cursed. Every move they make doesn't do much to help them.

GoPacers33
06-17-2012, 12:37 PM
Vinny D

BALLER R
06-17-2012, 12:45 PM
Why is Casey on this list?

BALLER R
06-17-2012, 12:46 PM
:facepalm: Dwayne Casey got 5 votes... 5 people are just haters... Turned the worst defensive team in the nba last year to a top 10 defensive team with virtually the same roster... GTFO dumbass voters...

Goes to show the knowledge of some people on here.

Stuckey#3
06-17-2012, 12:58 PM
Lawrence Frank. Won 14 straight with the Nets......crickets ever since :D

Frank did well for what he had to work with last year. Three mid-level veterans (Prince, Stuckey and Gordon), one top-ten position player (Greg Monroe), and an inconsistent but highly skilled rookie point guard (Brandon Knight) and a good role player recovering from injury (Jerebko). Everyone else on the Pistons roster are scrubs (Maxiell, Charlie V, Bynum, Daye.) For stretches of the year Damien Wilkens was playing starter minutes.

With all of this Frank still pulled out 25 wins and kept the team within 4-6 games out of the playoffs until the last two weeks of the season. If you look at the preseason scouting reports the Pistons were often ranked as the worst team in the league. Not to mention his players actually like him.

Lawrence Frank will lead the Pistons to the playoffs next year.

Stuckey#3
06-17-2012, 01:04 PM
I vote Casey. I blame him for Derozan's failure to improve. This guy has a team stocked with young prospects whose potential he is wasting. Davis, Bayless and Amir Johnson could all be starters on a playoff team if they had a decent coach to work with. You can talk about defense all day but 23 wins is 23 wins.

Hawkeye15
06-17-2012, 02:20 PM
haha, I didn't even read the exclusions, but just for the record, I think Randy Whittman is the worst coach.

Of the available candidates, Mike Brown probably. I just can't throw a rookie HC under the bus, so Jackson gets a pass this year. VDN was arguably #2.

justinnum1
06-17-2012, 02:24 PM
haha, I didn't even read the exclusions, but just for the record, I think Randy Whittman is the worst coach.

Of the available candidates, Mike Brown probably. I just can't throw a rookie HC under the bus, so Jackson gets a pass this year. VDN was arguably #2.

VDN would have looked much worse if not for CP3 running the show.

Hawkeye15
06-17-2012, 02:25 PM
VDN would have looked much worse if not for CP3 running the show.

Yep.

nirvana235
06-17-2012, 02:35 PM
I vote Casey. I blame him for Derozan's failure to improve. This guy has a team stocked with young prospects whose potential he is wasting. Davis, Bayless and Amir Johnson could all be starters on a playoff team if they had a decent coach to work with. You can talk about defense all day but 23 wins is 23 wins.

What? lolololol

WadeKobe
06-17-2012, 02:48 PM
>spoelstra

I think so.

WadeKobe
06-17-2012, 02:53 PM
woodson

You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking...

I hope you realize that every team he has coached has gotten better immediately after he became the coach, and continued to get better every year under him.

It is not a coincidence. Woodson is a very, very good coach. I'd love to have him over Spo, personally. He makes more adjustments than Spo does.

Or, you might not have watched last year's finals, or game 1 of this year's finals?

justinnum1
06-17-2012, 02:58 PM
You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking...

I hope you realize that every team he has coached has gotten better immediately after he became the coach, and continued to get better every year under him.

It is not a coincidence. Woodson is a very, very good coach. I'd love to have him over Spo, personally. He makes more adjustments than Spo does.

Or, you might not have watched last year's finals, or game 1 of this year's finals?
You mean when lebron choked last year? Couldn't even score on barea...

I do find it amusing that you like woodson over spo tho.

And woodson is a very very good coach? lol, sure thing pal.

You thinking woodson makes adjustment says it all lol.

Woodson with the hawks in 2010 got killed by the magic, swept, in 2011 larry drew with the hawks beat the magic 4-2.

And thats also why he was working as an assistant coach, did any team offer him head coaching job?

xxplayerxx23
06-17-2012, 06:06 PM
You mean when lebron choked last year? Couldn't even score on barea...

I do find it amusing that you like woodson over spo tho.

And woodson is a very very good coach? lol, sure thing pal.

You thinking woodson makes adjustment says it all lol.

Woodson with the hawks in 2010 got killed by the magic, swept, in 2011 larry drew with the hawks beat the magic 4-2.

And thats also why he was working as an assistant coach, did any team offer him head coaching job?

Lol. Come on man, Im not saying woodson is good or better then spo, but he has improved every year. He isnt the worst coach out there, he isnt great but not the worst. The hawks are always that way, how many times have they past the first round?

LA_Raiders
06-17-2012, 06:22 PM
Spo and Brown...

SeoulBeatz
06-17-2012, 06:39 PM
Although I hate his rotations and some of his late game decisions have been questionable, Doug Collins is still one of the better coaches in the NBA.

He is like a father to this young Sixers squad (apparently he sends EVERY player text messages EVERY night just to check up on how they're doing)

He understands the game like few others and I'm positive NO other coach (aside from maybe Doc, Pop, and Thibs) could have done more with that roster. He develops a relationship with the players and he's just a great leader and mentor to have around.

He earns player's respect, while other coach's just don't have the leadership/authoritative qualities to do so...

Bruno
06-17-2012, 08:19 PM
brown. terrible rotations, terrible offensive x's and o's, poor minute distributions, lack-luster personality, has been seen taking up two chairs at once on the bench. can't manage superstar talent, is the ultimate ownership yes man. dude is totally incapable of recognizing mismatches on the floor, and putting together the proper lineups to exploit them. his defensive schemes are overrated as well.

dalton749
06-17-2012, 08:23 PM
people saying dwayne casey are clearly ignorant to what was going on in toronto this past season

SeoulBeatz
06-17-2012, 09:01 PM
people saying dwayne casey are clearly ignorant to what was going on in toronto this past season

Agreed.
Dwane Casey hasn't proven much in the NBA as a coach, but he's had success elsewhere and I think he's a hard-nosed/player's coach and that's a good fit for a rebuilding situation like Toronto.

You can't blame him for struggling to turn Minny and the Raptors around. He's in a good rebuilding situation in Toronto, give him a few years to make it happen.

Beltrans Mole
06-17-2012, 09:07 PM
Doug Collins shouldn't even sniff this list. He accomplished a lot with a young, unproven Sixers team and got them to play hard every single night. Great team defense and very athletic team.