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Jeffy25
06-14-2012, 10:12 AM
Jeter is arguably the worst defensive shortstops (when you accumulate the stats) of all time, and Ripken is in the top 5 defensively.

Jeter is better offensively though, and they both hit in fairly offensive friendly ball parks.


I'm saying Ripken, but Jeter isn't too terribly far behind.

Don of NY23
06-14-2012, 10:33 AM
Cal really only has HRs on Jeter, Jeter will pass him in hits by the all star break, and at 38 Jeter is far better than Ripken, I'll give you fielding, but career OBP OPS are quite a bit better that the iron man's and by the looks of it Jeter has a few more good years left in him. It is pretty close. oh yeah HOMER HOMER HOMER so yes I am biased

STL Don
06-14-2012, 10:35 AM
At this point a very good comparison, just outta love I'll give it to my boy Jeter.

flips333
06-14-2012, 01:12 PM
I hate Jeter... But I will say his defense is underrated by many folks here, and over rated by the idiots giving away Golden gloves. I would say Jeter by a nose.

Jeffy25
06-14-2012, 07:00 PM
Cal really only has HRs on Jeter, Jeter will pass him in hits by the all star break, and at 38 Jeter is far better than Ripken, I'll give you fielding, but career OBP OPS are quite a bit better that the iron man's and by the looks of it Jeter has a few more good years left in him. It is pretty close. oh yeah HOMER HOMER HOMER so yes I am biased

Jeter
.313/.383/.448, .369 wOBA, 124 wRC+, 117 OPS+ 89.1 oWAR 11439 PA
-8.1 dWAR (worst all-time), -131.6 UZR (worst all-time), -134 DRS (they have only been keeping track since 2003, and that is the worst of all time), 67.8 rWAR, 75.3 fWAR


Ripken
.276/.340/.447, .345 wOBA, 111 wRC+, 112 OPS+ 72.8 oWAR, 12883 PA
34.5 dWAR, 181 UZR, 90.9 rWAR, 99.7 fWAR

Funny, Ripken made 70 million in his career, Jeter 220+



Jeter would have been horrible defensively at second even. He will probably go down as the worst defensive shortstop of all time, and he was given gold gloves there, which is laughable. Ripken was one of the better defensive shortstops of all time, but his offense lacks behind Jeter's.

It's hard not to give the vasty superior defender the nod here, especially when their offensive production difference is only about 10%. You don't have to agree with the fielding metrics, but even from my eyes. I remember how good defensively Cal was, and how awful Jeter has been.

yankeefan54
06-14-2012, 09:15 PM
Jeter is mr november

The X
06-14-2012, 09:59 PM
Jeter for sure

Jeffy25
06-14-2012, 10:08 PM
400 plus run differential defensively, sheesh


60 run differential offensively.

Ripken 340+ runs better than Jeter in their respective careers.

todu82
06-15-2012, 09:30 PM
Ripken

sportzkid1503
06-16-2012, 11:07 AM
Ripken

Pinstripe pride
06-18-2012, 04:06 PM
clearly jeter. this is PSD and jeter has 5 rings, so he is obviously the better choice...............

yankeefan54
06-18-2012, 07:41 PM
Idk why i just never really liked cal.

Wrigheyes4MVP
06-21-2012, 02:38 PM
Cal

Twinke Masta
06-21-2012, 11:22 PM
Luis Castillo

sexicano31
06-22-2012, 10:54 AM
Well Jeter is one of the best, if not the best, offensive SS of all time. Cal was great with the glove. While his stats arent great compared to Jeter, I believe back when he was in his prime he actually had good batting stats for a SS since offense from the position was down then

Jeffy25
06-22-2012, 07:30 PM
From 81-01 (all of Cal's years)

Only Yount (didn't stay at short), Trammel, and Larkin were park adjusted better hitters than Cal, and none of them were as good as Ripken, and only Ozzie was better defensively. (ARod and Nomar and Jeter but not that many plate appearances)

The average shortstop was a sub .300 wOBA, and an 80 wRC+ Other than a few stars, it was an offensively anemic position big time.

Offensively, the position has improved during Jeter's years.

bagwell368
06-22-2012, 08:52 PM
but career OBP OPS are quite a bit better that the iron man's and by the looks of it Jeter has a few more good years left in him.

Try era adjusting the stats for era/park:

DJ: .307/.376/.440/.816
CR: .278/.343/.451/.795

Jeez, looks pretty close to me, but Ripken played well into his decline and Jeter is just entering his.

What about peak? Top 8 years any order rWAR:


CR: - DJ:

11.3 - 7.8
9.8 - 7.3
8.0 - 6.4
7.3 - 5.4
6.4 - 4.9
6.3 - 4.8
5.5 - 4.8
5.4 - 4.1

CR 60.0 > DJ 45.5

There is no argument. Ripken is clearly better.

Jeffy25
06-29-2012, 03:13 AM
They now have the same number of career base hits :)

WadeKobe
06-29-2012, 12:15 PM
Well Jeter is one of the best, if not the best, offensive SS of all time.

:confused: Alex Rodriguez says "hi."

Mr Haha
06-29-2012, 12:19 PM
:confused: Alex Rodriguez says "hi."

Alex Rodriguez's syringe also says hello.

Fly
06-29-2012, 01:56 PM
Alex Rodriguez's syringe also says hello.

That doesn't change the fact that ARod is quite possibly the best offensive and overall SS of the last 100 years.

Mr Haha
06-29-2012, 08:47 PM
That doesn't change the fact that ARod is quite possibly the best offensive and overall SS of the last 100 years.

In my eyes it does, but I understand if it doesn't in yours.

yankeefan54
06-30-2012, 03:28 PM
Arod playing ss is the greatest of alltime.

Jeffy25
06-30-2012, 03:42 PM
Arod playing ss is the greatest of alltime.

yup.

But the greatest shortstop of all time, moved to third because 'that was Jeter's place'


Which was the wrong guy to move off of short.

A-Rod could probably handle third better, and they needed a third basemen. But they sacrificed the wrong position when A-Rod was acquired. Jeter should have moved to second once they could move him over there.

ichitownclowni
07-08-2012, 10:11 PM
I'll take DJ

Bos_Sports4Life
07-09-2012, 03:16 PM
Arod playing ss is the greatest of alltime.

Wagner>AROD

From ages 26-34 Wagner had a line of .353/.416/.510/.963 with an OPS+ of 175. Arods single BEST season ops+ at SS was 163

BEST 5 SEASONS AT SS (WAR)

Arod Wagner
10.1 11.3
9.2 10.0
8.6 9.1
8.3 9.0
8.1 8.7

WadeKobe
07-18-2012, 08:34 PM
Alex Rodriguez's syringe also says hello.

We could talk about steroids seriously and honestly if you want to. This, however, doesn't seem to be a good start. My position has always been that you'll have a hard time convincing me that with the ridiculous load of dietary supplements and weight training available to modern athletes that we want to draw a line at steroids, as though somehow that is suddenly what made it unfair.

It just isn't a logical position. it might be a moral high-ground, but it is not a logical positon.

The X
07-18-2012, 10:06 PM
Wait until Jeters career is over before comparing him to others. For all we know if he plays 6 more years we could see a new hit king.