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SportsNY
06-13-2012, 06:52 PM
Ruslan Fedotenko is a free agent. At 33, he might not have much left, but does anyone else feel that he earned the right to be brought back with his play during the playoffs?

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Isca92
06-13-2012, 08:31 PM
I have no problem bringing back Feds for a bottom 6 role. Hes a guy that can kill pks if a normal killer is in the box or hurt. If hes not back I wouldnt be surprised for a deadline depth move of bringing back the tan man. Part of why NJ to the finals was because they had options come playoff time, kept guys hungry, gave the team a different look in then the previous game.

bsi
06-13-2012, 09:25 PM
I'd rather spend the money on Steve Sullivan or Ray Whitney guys that can put the puck in the net. I'd prefer Sullivan with his powerplay skills, but Whitney would be good too. Fedotenko couldn't put a puck in a soccer net and he's only around because he had a good run 8 years ago with Tampa. The only way he comes back if I'm GM is if he plays exclusively on the 4th line and gets paid accordingly and never sees 2nd line duties.

YankeeFanAlways
06-14-2012, 08:06 AM
I'd rather spend the money on Steve Sullivan or Ray Whitney guys that can put the puck in the net. I'd prefer Sullivan with his powerplay skills, but Whitney would be good too. Fedotenko couldn't put a puck in a soccer net and he's only around because he had a good run 8 years ago with Tampa. The only way he comes back if I'm GM is if he plays exclusively on the 4th line and gets paid accordingly and never sees 2nd line duties.

While I agree with you, Torts seems to love this guy & will probably have a say in how much he plays &, in the end whether or not we retain him.

bsi
06-14-2012, 10:11 AM
While I agree with you, Torts seems to love this guy & will probably have a say in how much he plays &, in the end whether or not we retain him.

I totally agree....I think Feds has bad pictures of Torts from Tampa that he doesn't want to get out hahaha.

NYY09
06-14-2012, 11:01 AM
Dont see where he fits going forward. The only place he really should play, on a cup contender, is the 4th line and he doesnt really fit the bill of a 4th liner, more like a 3rd liner on an average team.

Anyway, plenty of prospects in the minors that need to fight it out for a roster spot. Thank for the memories Ruslan, albeit the few that there were....

MJL80
06-14-2012, 11:16 AM
I totally agree....I think Feds has bad pictures of Torts from Tampa that he doesn't want to get out hahaha.

Haha yeah I agree!

commonsense12
06-14-2012, 12:14 PM
Ruslan Fedotenko is a free agent. At 33, he might not have much left, but does anyone else feel that he earned the right to be brought back with his play during the playoffs?

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We need more scoring and frankly i think he was invisible almost all of the season. I Wouldnt want him back and I think we need to upgrade his spot anyways.

Isca92
06-14-2012, 02:24 PM
Feds is a role player, who gets paid as a role player. What fourth line guy is going to be brought in to play that role and score significantly more? A team should not rely on the bottom lines to contribute, when they do its a bonus. BlueSeatBlogs, has Mitchell as starting less then half his shifts starting in the offensive zone but more then half finishing in the offensive zone, which is what you need from bottom line players.

But back to Feds. He was a + 7 in the playoffs, which only 11 players were better in that stat in the league. 6 were Kings, 4 were Devils and Roman Hamrik. 2 Kings and 1 Devil were tied with him and Francis Bouillon. The Next Ranger was Dan Girardi with +6 and then Cally, Dubi, Mcdonagh with +2, Straalman and Arti were +1. While most people discredit +/-, look at Jack Johnson. Going into this season, he was a combined -73 for the last 4 years, played 61 games as a King this year was a -12, the Kings trade him and 4 months later win the cup.

Feds had 7 even strength points, only Gabs and Girardi had 1 more. They scored 28 (27 5 on 5, 1 4 on 4) even strength goals in the playoffs, which is a point on 1/4 of our even strength goals, and wasnt on the ice for an even strength goal against, what more could you ask for from a bottom line player?

bsi
06-14-2012, 04:17 PM
Feds is a role player, who gets paid as a role player. What fourth line guy is going to be brought in to play that role and score significantly more? A team should not rely on the bottom lines to contribute, when they do its a bonus. BlueSeatBlogs, has Mitchell as starting less then half his shifts starting in the offensive zone but more then half finishing in the offensive zone, which is what you need from bottom line players.

But back to Feds. He was a + 7 in the playoffs, which only 11 players were better in that stat in the league. 6 were Kings, 4 were Devils and Roman Hamrik. 2 Kings and 1 Devil were tied with him and Francis Bouillon. The Next Ranger was Dan Girardi with +6 and then Cally, Dubi, Mcdonagh with +2, Straalman and Arti were +1. While most people discredit +/-, look at Jack Johnson. Going into this season, he was a combined -73 for the last 4 years, played 61 games as a King this year was a -12, the Kings trade him and 4 months later win the cup.

Feds had 7 even strength points, only Gabs and Girardi had 1 more. They scored 28 (27 5 on 5, 1 4 on 4) even strength goals in the playoffs, which is a point on 1/4 of our even strength goals, and wasnt on the ice for an even strength goal against, what more could you ask for from a bottom line player?

Feds got 1.4 mill this year...not really 4th line pay.

Isca92
06-14-2012, 04:30 PM
Mike Rupp gets 1.5, Drurys cap hit was 3.7 not to play.

bsi
06-14-2012, 05:29 PM
Mike Rupp gets 1.5, Drurys cap hit was 3.7 not to play.

Rupp fights...Drury was a mistake. Fedotenko shouldn't be over a million at this point. I guess I don't as much think he's a bad player but I just think Torts puts too much value in him and he ends up wasting time on the top lines from time to time and that's what bothers me. If we're spending money I'd rather spend it on Sullivan.

Isca92
06-14-2012, 05:47 PM
Yeah, but when he was playing bad Torts also benched him for Zuke until he broke his arm.

commonsense12
06-14-2012, 08:25 PM
Feds is a role player, who gets paid as a role player. What fourth line guy is going to be brought in to play that role and score significantly more? A team should not rely on the bottom lines to contribute, when they do its a bonus. BlueSeatBlogs, has Mitchell as starting less then half his shifts starting in the offensive zone but more then half finishing in the offensive zone, which is what you need from bottom line players.

But back to Feds. He was a + 7 in the playoffs, which only 11 players were better in that stat in the league. 6 were Kings, 4 were Devils and Roman Hamrik. 2 Kings and 1 Devil were tied with him and Francis Bouillon. The Next Ranger was Dan Girardi with +6 and then Cally, Dubi, Mcdonagh with +2, Straalman and Arti were +1. While most people discredit +/-, look at Jack Johnson. Going into this season, he was a combined -73 for the last 4 years, played 61 games as a King this year was a -12, the Kings trade him and 4 months later win the cup.

Feds had 7 even strength points, only Gabs and Girardi had 1 more. They scored 28 (27 5 on 5, 1 4 on 4) even strength goals in the playoffs, which is a point on 1/4 of our even strength goals, and wasnt on the ice for an even strength goal against, what more could you ask for from a bottom line player?

Ok if you want to talk +/- Feds was a -7 on the year. He was tied for 2nd worst on the entire team for the regular season. He was terrible and had a whole 20 pts the entire year. Plus he had 1 pt in the Ottawa series and 1 pt in the Wash series. If it wasnt for the last 3 games against the Devils he wouldnt have had a goal in the entire playoffs. Take it further if it wasnt for the Devils series (2 G 3 A) not a single person on this forum would want to keep him.

Bottom line was he was terrible and not worth anywhere near the 1.4 mill he got paid. Replace him with anyone that either is better or potential to be better.

Isca92
06-15-2012, 02:23 AM
Commonsense, whats better a guy who disappears in the playoffs after a good year or a vet who steps it up in the playoff? Its not like were talking a chunk of the cap or for any extended period of time.

commonsense12
06-15-2012, 09:33 AM
Commonsense, whats better a guy who disappears in the playoffs after a good year or a vet who steps it up in the playoff? Its not like were talking a chunk of the cap or for any extended period of time.

I go with option C, a guy who plays well in both.

Can we also please stop saying he stepped it up in the playoffs, he was invisible for the first 14 games and only found the net in 2 of the last 3 games. I hardly consider that stepping up in the playoffs. Lets stop this crap about him being so good in the playoffs for us because where was he in the Ott series or the Wash series? Maybe if he stepped up in those serieses we would of had some juice left for the Devs, but we didnt and we played like a tired team.

Can we also please stop pretending he is some great playoff performer. In his career he has had 2 great playoff runs 03-04 and 08-09 other then that he has been horrible.

00-01 6 games 1 pt
01-02 5 games 1 pt
02-03 11 games 1 pt
05-06 5 games 0 pts
06-07 4 games 0 pts
09-10 6 games 0 pts
10-11 5 games 2 pts
11-12 20 games 7 pts (5 in Devils series 2 G 3 A)

Thats every year he has seen the playoffs except those 2 ridiculous years in TB and Pitts. Sorry he is not that good and there are just way too many better options.

bsi
06-15-2012, 10:33 AM
Common I agree, he's been surviving on his repuation from 2004 since forever. I have no idea how the guy misses on so many opportunities every year, it's mind blowing and it drives me nuts when he gets chances on the top two lines and can't hit the net. Thanks Feds, you were a great fill in while we found our way, and you were probably good with the young guys but we need scoring, and you aren't gonna do it for us,and now that you aren't good defensively either it's time to move on to a ****** team that needs ya.

Isca92
06-15-2012, 12:09 PM
His job shouldnt be to put the puck in the net but to keep it out which if your bottom lines arent giving up goals when they are on the ice then they are doing their job. When a forward blocks a meaningless shot in game 70 of the regular season and who gets hurt, who would you rather have out there a random call up that the coach wont play or a player who he knows exactly what he can get out of him.

commonsense12
06-15-2012, 02:52 PM
Common I agree, he's been surviving on his repuation from 2004 since forever. I have no idea how the guy misses on so many opportunities every year, it's mind blowing and it drives me nuts when he gets chances on the top two lines and can't hit the net. Thanks Feds, you were a great fill in while we found our way, and you were probably good with the young guys but we need scoring, and you aren't gonna do it for us,and now that you aren't good defensively either it's time to move on to a ****** team that needs ya.

Amen

commonsense12
06-15-2012, 02:59 PM
His job shouldnt be to put the puck in the net but to keep it out which if your bottom lines arent giving up goals when they are on the ice then they are doing their job. When a forward blocks a meaningless shot in game 70 of the regular season and who gets hurt, who would you rather have out there a random call up that the coach wont play or a player who he knows exactly what he can get out of him.

What i bolded is a fail. He was one of our worst +/- guys in the regular season. He didnt keep the puck out of the net.

This team dosnt need anymore of those guys. We need guys to put the puck in the net. We have plenty of 3rd and 4th line players. If he is not on this team its no loss whatsoever. Plus who says we cant get another guy who will block shots but give us some scoring?

Again way too many better options out there then Feds.

I understand you like the guy but your arguemenst just dont hold up. First he was good defensive guy because look at his +/-. Thats wrong then it was he is a great playoff performer. That was incorrect. Now its he is a veteran who blocks shots.......who cares, thats not what this team needs. We need 3 lines that can put the puck in the net so our good young dmen and top goalie can carry us to victory.

Isca92
06-15-2012, 03:44 PM
Commonsense, your right his what is bolded is a fail when you only look at that statement, but when its talking about playoffs which was my last comment. Every good team has role players and thats what he is. If your relying on a player who is not on an ELC at that contract level to produce then that is a problem. If they want to get better with the weak UFA class, there has to be trades. Richards, Gabby, Cally, Kreider, are the only forwards that are truely safe, mostly likely Stepan and Boyle. If Dubi (as most expect him to be packaged) goes and Prust doesnt resign theres 2 penalty killers and 2 of the top 4. Now if Boyle or Cally take a penalty, now their down 3 of their killers.

In a perfect world sure I'd love to have 3 scoring lines, but they are far from that. 2 good scoring lines and a shut down line is alot more realistic in what the Rangers will have along with a fourth line of role players.

As for your I like the guy comments, thats just absurd. Actually, its based on how the coach runs his bench and his players. Kreider is going to be a rookie with the weight of MDZ's sophmore year on his shoulders, which means he will be in the dog house and parked on the bench at times of the season. I never said he was a great playoff performer, I said he did his role in the playoffs. Last season we were unable to carry an extra forward due to the Drury cap hit, this year its about 2 million less, giving the option to not play Rupp or Feds every game. Plus, when someone goes down they don't have to run to the AHL to get a player.

commonsense12
06-16-2012, 03:53 AM
Commonsense, your right his what is bolded is a fail when you only look at that statement, but when its talking about playoffs which was my last comment. Every good team has role players and thats what he is. If your relying on a player who is not on an ELC at that contract level to produce then that is a problem. If they want to get better with the weak UFA class, there has to be trades. Richards, Gabby, Cally, Kreider, are the only forwards that are truely safe, mostly likely Stepan and Boyle. If Dubi (as most expect him to be packaged) goes and Prust doesnt resign theres 2 penalty killers and 2 of the top 4. Now if Boyle or Cally take a penalty, now their down 3 of their killers.

In a perfect world sure I'd love to have 3 scoring lines, but they are far from that. 2 good scoring lines and a shut down line is alot more realistic in what the Rangers will have along with a fourth line of role players.

As for your I like the guy comments, thats just absurd. Actually, its based on how the coach runs his bench and his players. Kreider is going to be a rookie with the weight of MDZ's sophmore year on his shoulders, which means he will be in the dog house and parked on the bench at times of the season. I never said he was a great playoff performer, I said he did his role in the playoffs. Last season we were unable to carry an extra forward due to the Drury cap hit, this year its about 2 million less, giving the option to not play Rupp or Feds every game. Plus, when someone goes down they don't have to run to the AHL to get a player.

Mitchell was better then Feds and for almost a mill less. Sorry i dont see your point to keep him because he is a role player. Its way to easy to get them in this league.

NYRFan76
06-16-2012, 07:07 AM
He won't hurt the team, but at the same time I think we should focus again on finding a goal scorer who can contribute not only with a 5 on 5 but help quarterback the powerplay. Defense is fine, but if we lose anyone due to the free market pool I say we go after Ryan Suter???

Isca92
06-16-2012, 01:07 PM
Commonsense, we clearly wont change each others mind. So the last thing that i will add is I keep Mitchell also and thats my Fourth line Feds Mitchell Rupp, when Gabs come back one of them is my 13th Forward.

commonsense12
06-16-2012, 07:29 PM
Commonsense, we clearly wont change each others mind. So the last thing that i will add is I keep Mitchell also and thats my Fourth line Feds Mitchell Rupp, when Gabs come back one of them is my 13th Forward.

Thats fine but what do you see our 3rd line as?

Isca92
06-16-2012, 08:04 PM
Thats a tough question only because whos survives the trade because I think they go out and get a first line player. So its hard to say exactly who is left. Id like to see Nash or Ryan added. I think adding them cost Hagelin/Dubinsky/Prospect depends on who its for.

While Gaborik is out, I say give one of the remaining Rookies a shot to play flip between a line with Richards and that Winger and with Boyle and Prust. Flipping with him would be Anisimov. When Gaborik returns who ever played better with Boyle and Prust stay there and then the other player to the fourth. Making one of Feds, Mitchell, Rupp the 13th forward. Keeping Kreider Stepan Cally together.

This ofcourse all goes out the window when Torts puts someone on timeout or the line flipping cause things have gone stale.

Hockey4Life
06-17-2012, 09:46 AM
we have 4 good prospects in yogan, st croix, thomas and miller id rather give one of them a shot then bring back feds he's getting old and slow and doesn't really fit in the team style anymore if we get Nash he kills penalties so does haglin and kreider truthfully i would like to see them get cally of pk because i think its taking alot out of him (getting nagging injuries slowing him down) i believe he'd be a 40 goal scorer.
When you get gabby back lines could look like
Nash Richards Gaborik
Kreider Stephen Callahan
Haglin Boyle prust
Rupp (prospect) mitchel or another prospect

Isca92
06-17-2012, 01:09 PM
Hockey4Life, how do you get Nash, considering you have Stepan, Kreider, and Hagelin all on there. I obviously see no Anisimov and Dubinsky but its going to take more than that. Plus putting 2 prospects on the 4th line stunts their growth by playing minimal minutes.

SportsNY
06-17-2012, 03:05 PM
Hockey4Life, how do you get Nash, considering you have Stepan, Kreider, and Hagelin all on there. I obviously see no Anisimov and Dubinsky but its going to take more than that. Plus putting 2 prospects on the 4th line stunts their growth by playing minimal minutes.

It's good to have an excess of talent. I'd love to have Nash here, especially if Gaborik isn't healthy by the start of the season.

Nash/Richards/Gaborik
Hagelin/Stepan/Callahan
Kreider/Boyle/Prust
Fedotenko/Rupp/ ?

commonsense12
06-17-2012, 03:21 PM
Thats a tough question only because whos survives the trade because I think they go out and get a first line player. So its hard to say exactly who is left. Id like to see Nash or Ryan added. I think adding them cost Hagelin/Dubinsky/Prospect depends on who its for.

While Gaborik is out, I say give one of the remaining Rookies a shot to play flip between a line with Richards and that Winger and with Boyle and Prust. Flipping with him would be Anisimov. When Gaborik returns who ever played better with Boyle and Prust stay there and then the other player to the fourth. Making one of Feds, Mitchell, Rupp the 13th forward. Keeping Kreider Stepan Cally together.

This ofcourse all goes out the window when Torts puts someone on timeout or the line flipping cause things have gone stale.

So You have Boyle and Prust on the 3rd line? I think i see why we disagree on Feds. You have Boyle and Prust on the 3rd line while i have them on the 4th line. I just dont think thats even remotely close enough to enough offense for us. Last year Boyle and Prust only gave us 16 total goals between them and while i know you are going to point to last year as more scoring, last year remains a isolated incident rather then the norm from them.

Basically i think we need at least 2 more impact scorers to make us a cup contender. A 1st or 2nd liner and a 3rd. I would think that unless we are making a trade we are looking at lines of:

Hags Rich Gabs
Kreider Step Cally
Dubi AA ????
Rupp Boyle Prust

Now i know we need someone to replace Gabs for awhile and we may trade Dubi for an upgrade but i still dont see us winning the cup with Boyle and Prust on the 3rd line. We simply cant score and in the playoffs when defenses tighten up we were horrible. 2 goals or less in 15 of 20 playoff games and only once did we score 4 goals. Sather needs to make upgrades.

bsi
06-17-2012, 07:11 PM
So You have Boyle and Prust on the 3rd line? I think i see why we disagree on Feds. You have Boyle and Prust on the 3rd line while i have them on the 4th line. I just dont think thats even remotely close enough to enough offense for us. Last year Boyle and Prust only gave us 16 total goals between them and while i know you are going to point to last year as more scoring, last year remains a isolated incident rather then the norm from them.

Basically i think we need at least 2 more impact scorers to make us a cup contender. A 1st or 2nd liner and a 3rd. I would think that unless we are making a trade we are looking at lines of:

Hags Rich Gabs
Kreider Step Cally
Dubi AA ????
Rupp Boyle Prust

Now i know we need someone to replace Gabs for awhile and we may trade Dubi for an upgrade but i still dont see us winning the cup with Boyle and Prust on the 3rd line. We simply cant score and in the playoffs when defenses tighten up we were horrible. 2 goals or less in 15 of 20 playoff games and only once did we score 4 goals. Sather needs to make upgrades.

I keep mentioning him but Steve Sullivan would fit perfectly on your #3 line, and he'd be really useful on our powerplay as well. Having said that, I'm not comfortable with going next year with Hagelin on our #1 line. I think Kreider moves up there, and maybe Dubi moves back with Step n Cally and then Hags, AA and Sully become the #3. I really do think that Dubinsky needs to play consistantly on the #2 line. If he's gonna be on this team next year, he needs to get back to where he was the year before and he's more physical than Hags. Bottom line is if we have the same team next year, Dubinsky needs to be a lot better, he needs to be on the second line as our top two lines lack size and grit, with the exception of Callys grit ofcourse. However if there is a deal in the works for Nash I expect Dubinsky to be going the other way.

commonsense12
06-17-2012, 07:52 PM
I keep mentioning him but Steve Sullivan would fit perfectly on your #3 line, and he'd be really useful on our powerplay as well. Having said that, I'm not comfortable with going next year with Hagelin on our #1 line. I think Kreider moves up there, and maybe Dubi moves back with Step n Cally and then Hags, AA and Sully become the #3. I really do think that Dubinsky needs to play consistantly on the #2 line. If he's gonna be on this team next year, he needs to get back to where he was the year before and he's more physical than Hags. Bottom line is if we have the same team next year, Dubinsky needs to be a lot better, he needs to be on the second line as our top two lines lack size and grit, with the exception of Callys grit ofcourse. However if there is a deal in the works for Nash I expect Dubinsky to be going the other way.

I like Sullivan but i dont think he would fit in with Torts. He is too small for our style just like MZA was, well thats how Torts sees it lol. I do also agree that Hags isnt a top talent guy but he fits in well with Gabs style. He adds another dynamic to that line.

I am also not one of those people who believe in having all of your most talented players on the 1st line and then the next set of guys talentwise on the 2nd and so on and so forth. I think in todays NHL it is better to have 3 solid lines that can all score. Defenses are built to stop a teams top line or two depending how deep they are on defense. How about make it harder for them by having 3 lines that can score? The 4th line is always your 4th line and it will always have your fighters that probably wont change. Their are grinders on all lines nowadays so no need to just have them on the 3rd line. I think thats why i support more scoring on the 3rd line rather then have guys like Feds, Boyle and Prust on it. I think whatever you get from them or your 4th line is gravy.

Isca92
06-17-2012, 09:15 PM
Commonsense, I see your point but Id rather go for a true top line players, thats why i say give up some middle to get a top. You can add middle along the way without disrupting the locker room. I also think that Boyle and Prust have played third line minutes wont hurt us just wont help us. Same theory with the 5-7 minutes the fourth line player.

commonsense12
06-17-2012, 10:45 PM
Commonsense, I see your point but Id rather go for a true top line players, thats why i say give up some middle to get a top. You can add middle along the way without disrupting the locker room. I also think that Boyle and Prust have played third line minutes wont hurt us just wont help us. Same theory with the 5-7 minutes the fourth line player.

Agree to disagree then. As stated before we lost because we couldnt score. I agree i dont mind Prust and boyle on the ice when we have the lead but when we need a goal they shouldnt be out there, hence IMO they are 4th line players.

Either way hopes Sather gets more offense.

freddy686
06-17-2012, 11:03 PM
when will you guys wake up !!! rupp sucks maybe had 2 fights all year .. and skates like a slug.. avery was way better than him in every aspect of the game .. dump.. rupp, feds, and dubinsky ... and in order to win the cup one of our core guys has to go like stall or stephan .. just like neil smith did back in the day by parting ways with gartner .. we cant expect teams to give us good players for nothing .. so its either that or hold your cards and try to sign some role players.... 50 goal scorers dont fall out of the sky, i say sign a veteran play maker and make kreider a 50 goal scorer

nyr1980
06-18-2012, 12:56 AM
Another top-6 forward is a must. Also, depth and versatility on the bottom-6 has to come. They need a little more offense there, but out of a guy who can play in their system and do all the things you need a 3rd liner to do.

I don't think Sullivan works for their style and system. Too small, 38 next month, and much more of a straight offensive guy, except there is not enough there anymore to consistently give him top-6 minutes. And he doesn't being quite enough in those 3rd line points to be effective.

They need to add a forward into the top-6. The group of Gaborik, Richards, Callahan, Stepan, and Kreider looks nice moving forward, especially when Gaborik gets healthy and hoping Kreider's development goes well. But I don't see another guy on this roster who really is a certainty as a top-6 guy.

AA has yet to get to that level and after 250 games, we've seen his ceiling.
Dubi had a terrible year offensively, so his consistency in that area is a question.
Boyle's 20-goals in 10-11 looks like the exception, not the rule.
Hags is nice and may get to be a top-6 guy, but he's yet to show that level of production and was awful in the postseason.

I love those 4 for the bottom-6, but theyre not right for the top-6 at this point. Throw Gaustad into that group in with those 4 and they may really have something.

commonsense12
06-18-2012, 11:44 AM
when will you guys wake up !!! rupp sucks maybe had 2 fights all year .. and skates like a slug.. avery was way better than him in every aspect of the game .. dump.. rupp, feds, and dubinsky ... and in order to win the cup one of our core guys has to go like stall or stephan .. just like neil smith did back in the day by parting ways with gartner .. we cant expect teams to give us good players for nothing .. so its either that or hold your cards and try to sign some role players.... 50 goal scorers dont fall out of the sky, i say sign a veteran play maker and make kreider a 50 goal scorer

Seriously? First Rupp was in 13 fights for the year. 2nd Rupp is not going anywhere. The rangers led the league in fights last year and Rupp is our heavyweight. Sather will probably not trade him just because of that. The bolded comment is just stupid. You dont have to trade anyone to win a cup and the arguement against Neil Smith's moves is did it cost us more cups? He gave up Amonte and Weight who went on to have great careers. I believe Zubov was also under his watch. Also settle down with Kreider he should be good but asking 50 goals is asking a bit too much.

commonsense12
06-18-2012, 11:47 AM
Another top-6 forward is a must. Also, depth and versatility on the bottom-6 has to come. They need a little more offense there, but out of a guy who can play in their system and do all the things you need a 3rd liner to do.

I don't think Sullivan works for their style and system. Too small, 38 next month, and much more of a straight offensive guy, except there is not enough there anymore to consistently give him top-6 minutes. And he doesn't being quite enough in those 3rd line points to be effective.

They need to add a forward into the top-6. The group of Gaborik, Richards, Callahan, Stepan, and Kreider looks nice moving forward, especially when Gaborik gets healthy and hoping Kreider's development goes well. But I don't see another guy on this roster who really is a certainty as a top-6 guy.

AA has yet to get to that level and after 250 games, we've seen his ceiling.
Dubi had a terrible year offensively, so his consistency in that area is a question.
Boyle's 20-goals in 10-11 looks like the exception, not the rule.
Hags is nice and may get to be a top-6 guy, but he's yet to show that level of production and was awful in the postseason.

I love those 4 for the bottom-6, but theyre not right for the top-6 at this point. Throw Gaustad into that group in with those 4 and they may really have something.

gaustad and his 7 goals 21 pts doesnt really help us. Plus he will sign for way more then hes worth. NO thx

SportsNY
06-18-2012, 12:56 PM
So what's a reasonable contract to bring him back?

commonsense12
06-18-2012, 05:38 PM
So what's a reasonable contract to bring him back?

If anyone signs feds i wouldnt go more then a mill.

Isca92
06-18-2012, 08:23 PM
Commonsense, gotta agree to disagree, we agree on the problem just not the solution. I think Feds shouldnt get more then he got last year, but can go slightly over a million and not be considered a bad contract.

bsi
06-18-2012, 09:04 PM
Feds is past his prime, it's time to stop wasting money on him, let's spend some money on a younger player or atleast an older player that can contribute.

commonsense12
06-19-2012, 04:07 AM
Commonsense, gotta agree to disagree, we agree on the problem just not the solution. I think Feds shouldnt get more then he got last year, but can go slightly over a million and not be considered a bad contract.

He made 1.4 last year. So you think less then 1.4 but more then a mill, getting pretty specific arent you lol

commonsense12
06-19-2012, 04:07 AM
Feds is past his prime, it's time to stop wasting money on him, let's spend some money on a younger player or atleast an older player that can contribute.

Agreed

Isca92
06-19-2012, 10:36 PM
Commonsense, had to be specific cause if I said from 1-1.5, Id get "you want him to be paid more then this year" lol.

dashripdot
06-20-2012, 08:48 AM
On a team where one big need is another legitimate scorer on the first line (moving Hagelin down the LW depth chart), and where it's more likely than not that they will pair Kreider with Stepan due to their past success together, there's no place for Fedotenko, unless AA is moved in a trade. Rusty's roster spot would have been better used in the 2011-2012season by signing a face-off specialist, instead.

commonsense12
06-20-2012, 06:29 PM
Commonsense, had to be specific cause if I said from 1-1.5, Id get "you want him to be paid more then this year" lol.

I am not that specific. A 100-200k isnt going to break us. 500k tho on a mill contract is a lot though.

SportsNY
07-05-2012, 05:03 PM
To end this discussion, he signed with Philly 1-year $1.75 million.