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Jetsguy
06-11-2012, 05:49 PM
this is something I was sitting around thinking today. Would you rather have the best 2/3/4 in the NBA on your team or the best 1/5 if you were looking to build a championship team?

obviously 3 players is better than 2 but most believe the 1 and the 5 are the most important positions on the floor. Let's assume the rest of your team is just league average players.

So depending on who you like something like

Wade/Kobe
Lebron
Love/Dirk

vs.

Paul/Rose
D12

Which option would you take and who would be your squad core?

LongIslandIcedZ
06-11-2012, 05:52 PM
Does the best 1/5 have more capspace

KnicksorBust
06-11-2012, 05:54 PM
You stacked the deck. Of course you'd rather have 3 top players than 2 top players. You'd have to change it to PG/C vs. Wing/Forward.

TylerSL
06-11-2012, 05:57 PM
so either

Wade/Lebron/Love

or

CP3/Howard

in that case, gimme Wade/Lebron/Love.

Wade>You
06-11-2012, 05:58 PM
Mathematically, 3 players are greater than 2.

Jetsguy
06-11-2012, 06:04 PM
I was thinking maybe the importance of a PG (has ball in his hands at all times) and a C (clogs the paint on both ends, runs P&R etc) is harder to guard for league average players than the 2/3/4 which can at times be played well by good versatile players.

There are more decent/good players at the 2/3/4 than the 1/5 it seems to me.

ManningToTyree
06-11-2012, 06:05 PM
3>2

Jetsguy
06-11-2012, 06:10 PM
maybe I am crazy, but I was thinking about it more in depth. The way people would play together, what the other players on the team could do.

IDK maybe it is to hard without adding in the league average players that fill out the rest of the lineup.

Devils05
06-11-2012, 06:20 PM
3 vs 2 makes it too easy. Duncan could take care of Dwight while LeBron/Kobe dealt with Paul or Rose or whichever PG you picked leaving some scrub to matchup with LeBron or Kobe

49GiantWarriors
06-11-2012, 06:23 PM
I voted before i even read the question. I thought that this was the mlb forum and someone was asking about starting pitching. Anyways my answer is the same so it doesnt matter

D-Leethal
06-11-2012, 06:28 PM
It really depends on the rest of the squad.

The 1-5 with a top 6th man and a deep, balanced roster vs a 'Big 3' filled out with vet mins and late draft picks?

Gimme the balanced attack revolved around a 1-5 superstar pick and roll game.

BTW, right here and now, Rondo is the best PG in the NBA.

D-Leethal
06-11-2012, 06:30 PM
3 vs 2 makes it too easy. Duncan could take care of Dwight while LeBron/Kobe dealt with Paul or Rose or whichever PG you picked leaving some scrub to matchup with LeBron or Kobe

Yea. Because thats how basketball works.

D-Leethal
06-11-2012, 06:30 PM
You gotta account for that 3rd superstar taking up the rest of the cap space and not allowing you to sign a top 6th man, defensive C, PG, or top role players.

TRF929
06-11-2012, 06:33 PM
easily 2-3-4, if there the best they can play multi positions. Duncan playing 4-5, but the rest of the team matters as well

topdog
06-11-2012, 06:49 PM
I think a better question is do you take the 2 and 4 or the 1 and 5. Taking the 3 out of the equation eliminates the quantity issue as well as the "Lebron is the best player on the planet" issue.

StinkEye
06-11-2012, 07:01 PM
I'd rather just have a great post player/defender and an elite wing. Throw in a 1 who can handle the ball and you're alright... obviously nothing is that simple though.

dodie53
06-11-2012, 09:10 PM
3 > 2

KB-Pau-DH2012
06-11-2012, 09:20 PM
3 > 2, unless the 2 are Shaq & Kobe, which is greater than any 3.

Wade>You
06-11-2012, 11:16 PM
LMAO that's the dumbest ish I've read today.

GoPacers33
06-11-2012, 11:24 PM
Depends on who your PG is with the 2/3/4

Sinestro
06-11-2012, 11:42 PM
Numbers wise 3 vs. 2 is easy if it was Elite 1 & 5 vs. All Star Level 2,3,4 it would be more interesting

King41
06-12-2012, 06:42 AM
2,3,4 !

theheatles
06-12-2012, 07:47 AM
LeBron > Dwight
Wade > Rose

and you want to give me a PF on top of that?

goose14741
06-12-2012, 01:39 PM
By far best 1/5, or ballhandling 2/5. Oscar and alcinder. West chamberlin. Magic kareem. Kobe shaq. Frazier Reed. The only succesful 2/3/4 was jordan pip and rodman because jordans talents were overwhelming and if he ever slacked then pip can save the day with even a 10% effort. For a championship level of basketball you need an offensive leader/controller and a defensiver leader/ go to in close finisher in order to win. History shows that.
As weird and ridiculous as it may seem, in a seven game series a team centered around prime magic and prime shaq and 3 shooters would beat a team centered around jordan lebron and duncan/malone because the second teams vet minimum pg wouldnt be able to control the ball between them and they would start chucking like the heat in the 4th quarter. A pg like magic can create for three shooters without breaking a sweat and shaq was the greatest go to interior presence of all time. Talent wise they dont match up but fundamentally and functionally they are superior.

dnewguy
06-12-2012, 02:11 PM
i'll rather have 2 and 5.

NYMetros
06-12-2012, 02:12 PM
Not even close. You easily should take the 3 best players at their position.

dh144498
06-12-2012, 02:49 PM
kobe lebron love easily.

greg_ory_2005
06-12-2012, 03:02 PM
Wade, Bron, Love by far.

RiLoc
06-12-2012, 03:21 PM
You cannot answer the question with certainty, too many variables. The biggest variables being:

Who are the role players? Cap space situation? Chemistry between 2/3/4 or 1/5.

I voted 1/5 envisioning Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, because:

Two players are likely easier on the salary cap than three. Love & LeBron's game are very compatible, just like CP3 & Howard. However, LeBron & Kobe would have difficulty because they are both ball dominant, hero ball, isolation players. I'm not sure if that skill redundancy would be worth the price tag.
Acquiring role players is easier for CP3/D12, because center is not a position you can get a quality player for with a mid level exception, unlike 2-4 when 4 doesn't need to be a great defensively.

RaiderKid318
06-12-2012, 03:46 PM
I would do the 2 vs 3 honestly. You have three studs to Max contracts and a bunch of scrubs. Or you have two max contracts a pretty decent 2/3/4 and potential a bench player or two that is actually worth a damn. Just my opinion though I mean look at last year.

celtNYpatsHeels
06-12-2012, 04:09 PM
PGs dont win championships.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-12-2012, 04:12 PM
3 players over 2.

Green_Monster
06-12-2012, 04:28 PM
How about 1-3-5 or 2-3-4? In this case I would choose 1-3-5. Rondo-James-Howard. (Yes, I said Rondo. I want a distributor.)

Raps18-19 Champ
06-12-2012, 04:30 PM
How about 1-3-5 or 2-3-4? In this case I would choose 1-3-5. Rondo-James-Howard. (Yes, I said Rondo. I want a distributor.)

If you wanted a distributor, there's Chris Paul, who can distribute as well as score.

TheGirth
06-12-2012, 04:40 PM
PGs dont win championships.


Yeah, I guess Magic, Isiah, Oscar, Cousy, and Tiny Nate don't count. Billups was the catalyst for the Pistons too. Don't forget about Tony Parker in '07.

strokeman
06-12-2012, 04:45 PM
D-Will
D12

i went with D-Will because he can flat out shoot the ball but is also a pass 1st pg, so he will keep the defense honest and make them meet him at the 3 point line.
you will have cap to sign good players and a solid bench around them, i'll get shooters to spread the floor so D12 will have room to go 1on1 in the post.
a SF or SG that can finish, slash, knock down the mid -range shots.
to me 1-3-5 is where ideal

JordansBulls
06-14-2012, 04:16 PM
I'd take the 1 and 5 personally now.

JasonJohnHorn
06-14-2012, 04:27 PM
Great question... in principle I would take the 1/5. Today? Not so much. Because the best 5 has the range of a yard stick (yes, I'm talking to you Howard).

Now if we are talking Stockon and Hakeem... or Magic and Robinson, then yeah... let's face.. the Heat may very well win the title this season, but they are struggling in the playoffs because of the holes they have at 1/5. They have been behind in every series after the first round, and we are not even talking about teams that have a great 1/5 combinations. Westbrook and Perkin? Rondo and ???? I mean the Celtics have been putting KG at center and he's a power forward. the Pacers have Collison and Hibbert? I mean, these guys don't dominate, but yet the Heat have struggle. Could you imagine if rather than Rondo and KG the Celtics had prime Stockton/Magic and Hakeem/Robinson? They would have been destroyed.

But there just isn't a center in the league right now that can compare to Robinson and Hakeem. So the Heat have been able to get by with practically nothing at the 5.

You have to assume though that if the 1/5 are the best at their positions, that the other players at 2, 3 and 4 are at least average, and if that is the case then Magic/Stockton + Robinson/Hakeem +3 average guys could beat the Miami Heat.

But right now in this league, the only PG in the conversation with Magic and Stockton is CP3 and Rose, and frankly there isn't a center in this league who is in the conversation with Hakeem and Robinson.

So yes... as a rule I would take 1/5 over 2/3/4, but not in today's league.

LAKERMANIA
06-14-2012, 04:31 PM
I'd go with 1 and 5 since 2-3-4 are all ballhogs..

LAKERMANIA
06-14-2012, 04:38 PM
PGs dont win championships.

Magic Johnson.