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lmallia
06-06-2012, 02:06 AM
Since I did this last year, figured I might as well do it this year also. When the draft ends tomorrow I will add the remainder of the players. If anyone has any linked proof of signings I will update them.

PICK PLAYER SCHOOL POS B/T CLASS PLAYER INFO
17 Davis, D.J. Stone County HS, MS OF L/L HS 6'01" 180lbs DOB: 06/27/93 - $1,750,000
22 Stroman, Marcus Duke, NC RHP R/R JR 5'09" 185lbs DOB: 05/01/91 - $1,800,000
50 Smoral, Matt Solon HS, OH LHP L/L HS 6'08" 220lbs DOB: 03/18/94 - $2,000,000
58 Nay, Mitch Hamilton HS, AZ 3B R/R HS 6'03" 195lbs DOB: 09/20/93 - $1,000,000
60 Gonzales, Tyler James Madison HS, TX RHP R/R HS 6'02" 175lbs DOB: 01/22/93 - $750,000
81 DeJong, Chase Woodrow Wilson HS, CA RHP L/R HS 6'04" 185lbs DOB: 12/29/93- $860,000
112 Alford, Anthony Petal HS, MS CF R/R HS 6'01" 205lbs DOB: 07/20/94 - $750,000
145 Donahue, Tucker Stetson University, FL RHP R/R SR 6'02" 200lbs DOB: 08/27/90 - $5,000
175 Delatte, Brad Nicholls St U, LA LHP L/L SR 6'00" 175lbs DOB: 01/13/90 - $5,000
205 Phillips, Eric Georgia Southern, GA 3B R/R SR 6'02" lbs DOB: 07/16/90 - $5,000
235 Parmley, Ian Liberty University, VA OF L/L SR 5'11" lbs DOB: 12/19/89 - $5,000
265 Frawley, Harrison Coastal Carolina U, SC C R/R 5S 6'01" 195lbs DOB: 06/01/89- $5,000
295 Leyland, Jordan Azusa Pacific University, CA 1B R/R SR 6'04" 205lbs DOB: 09/06/89 - $5,000
325 Azor, Alex United States Naval Academy, MD CF L/L SR 5'11" 190lbs DOB: 11/21/88 - $1,000
355 Heyman, Grant Pittsford Sutherland HS, NY OF L/R HS 6'04" 185lbs DOB: 11/07/93
385 Kellogg, Ryan Henry Street HS, LHP R/L HS 6'05" 215lbs DOB: 02/04/94
415 Silviano, John Summit Christian School, FL C L/R HS 5'11" 190lbs DOB: 07/11/94 - TENTATIVE
445 Wasilewski, Zakery Tazewell HS, VA LHP L/L HS 6'01" 190lbs DOB: 06/16/93 - TENTATIVE
475 Borucki, Ryan Mundelein HS, IL LHP L/L HS 6'04" 175lbs DOB: 03/31/94 - $426,000
505 Dupont, Will Lafayette HS, MO 2B L/R HS 6'00" 170lbs DOB: 12/01/93
535 Dawson, Shane Lethbridge CC, LHP R/L J1 6'01" 180lbs DOB: 09/09/93 - $90,000
565 Gonzalez, Alonzo Glendale Col, CA LHP L/L J1 6'05" 200lbs DOB: 01/15/92 - TENTATIVE
595 Flores, Jorge Central Arizona Col, AZ SS R/R J2 5'05" 165lbs DOB: 11/25/91 - TENTATIVE
625 Jones, Dennis Hillsborough CC, FL CF R/R J1 6'03" 185lbs DOB: 09/04/92 - TENTATIVE
655 Turner, Colton Texas State, TX LHP L/L JR 6'03" 185lbs DOB: 01/17/91 - TENTATIVE
685 Almonte, Josh Long Island City HS, NY RF R/R HS 6'03" 193lbs DOB: 01/28/94
715 Pascazi, Trey East Rochester HS, NY SS S/R HS 6'01" 175lbs DOB: 08/07/93 - TENTATIVE
745 Rose, Matt Palm Bay HS, FL RHP R/R HS 6'04" 195lbs DOB: 08/12/94
775 Leblebijian, Jason Bradley University, IL SS R/R JR 6'01" 190lbs DOB: 05/13/91 - TENTATIVE
805 Desouza, Nathan E.C. Drury HS, RF L/R HS 5'11" 175lbs DOB: 07/13/94 - $100,000
835 Zamora, Daniel Bishop Amat HS, CA LHP L/L HS 6'02" 185lbs DOB: 04/15/93
865 Klein, Dan Kansas St U, KS C R/R SR 5'10" 185lbs DOB: 08/29/90 - TENTATIVE
895 Irvin, Cole Servite HS, CA LHP L/L HS 6'04" 180lbs DOB: 01/31/94
925 Pearson, Devin Carmel HS, CA OF R/R HS 5'10" 175lbs DOB: 01/10/94
955 Chung, Derrick Cal St Sacramento, CA SS R/R 5S 5'11" 180lbs DOB: 02/23/88 - TENTATIVE
985 Saez, Jorge Lee U, TN C R/R JR 5'10" 185lbs DOB: 08/28/90 - TENTATIVE
1015 Harris, Jonathan Hazelwood Central HS, MO RHP R/R HS 6'03" lbs DOB: 10/16/93
1045 Lopez, Brandon American Heritage School, FL SS R/R HS 6'01" 175lbs DOB: 09/09/93
1075 Rivera, Devyn California Baptist University, CA RHP R/R SR 6'03" 195lbs DOB: 06/13/90 - TENTATIVE
1105 Cruz, Brian Galveston Col, TX SS R/R J1 5'10" 175lbs DOB: 10/12/91
1135 Devonshire, Daniel Colby CC, KS 1B L/R J1 6'01" 220lbs DOB: 03/30/92 - TENTATIVE
1165 Lovullo, Nick Newbury Park HS, CA SS R/R HS 6'00" 175lbs DOB: 12/01/93
1195 Valeriote, Shaun Brock U, 3B R/R JR 6'01" 200lbs DOB: 01/22/90 - TENTATIVE
1225 Cuas, Jose Grand Street Campus, NY SS R/R HS 6'02" 167lbs DOB: 06/28/94

Money Allocated For Top 10 Rounds Remaining : -$430,200

Undrafted Signings:

Kyle Anderson LHP Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
Justin James RHP Ave Maria University
Justin D’Alessandro RHP University of America
Robert Joseph Brosnahan RHP University of Michigan
Charles Ghysels RHP Truett McConnell College
Tim Nicolas Brechbuehler RHP Louisburg Community College
Joseph Spano LHP University of Notre Dame

North Yorker
06-06-2012, 03:02 PM
Gammons saying we signed Smoral? Seems a bit early but here's the tweet:


Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo

Katie Dannemiller was in Cleve. BBOps w/John Farrell. She's now Greensboro CEO , and her nephew Matt Smoral agreed w/Farrell's Jays
https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/210437408896987139

bomber0104
06-06-2012, 03:03 PM
whaaa... that would be ****ing sick

time for aa to work his magic

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 03:05 PM
Like I said, If AA can pull some crazy **** like he is capable of doing and signing his first 7 picks ... Then it would be hard to argue against the Jays as the winners of the Draft. A most definate top 3.

MrForever
06-06-2012, 03:06 PM
That's sick

North Yorker
06-06-2012, 03:08 PM
Did AA just get him for $1M???????


Mike Cormack ‏@MikeCormack

Score for ‪#jays‬, slot: $1M RT @pgammo: Katie Dannemiller was in Cleve. BBOps w/John Farrell. her nephew Matt Smoral agreed w/Farrell's Jays

https://twitter.com/MikeCormack/status/210446480773890048

wagnall
06-06-2012, 03:09 PM
I heard yesterday that of the top guys , Smoral might be the toughest guy to sign. I may be wrong but I thought I heard Davidi mention that.

MrForever
06-06-2012, 03:10 PM
If he does sign does he go right to A ball?

wagnall
06-06-2012, 03:12 PM
A 5'9" pitcher and one thats 6'8". Going to be tough to get a photo of them together. :)

Johann
06-06-2012, 03:12 PM
This is Katie Dannemiller's twitter

https://twitter.com/#!/kddannemiller

The person who she's with in the picture looks to be tall... 6'8" tall... Could be legit.

North Yorker
06-06-2012, 03:12 PM
If we really got Smoral for slot and we go underslot on DJ, we could throw a lot of $$$ at Alford...

wagnall
06-06-2012, 03:14 PM
Since I did this last year, figured I might as well do it this year also. When the draft ends tomorrow I will add the remainder of the players. If anyone has any linked proof of signings I will update them.

PICK PLAYER SCHOOL POS B/T CLASS PLAYER INFO
17 Davis, D.J. Stone County HS, MS OF L/L HS 6'01" 180lbs DOB: 06/27/93
22 Stroman, Marcus Duke, NC RHP R/R JR 5'09" 185lbs DOB: 05/01/91
50 Smoral, Matt Solon HS, OH LHP L/L HS 6'08" 220lbs DOB: 03/18/94
58 Nay, Mitch Hamilton HS, AZ 3B R/R HS 6'03" 195lbs DOB: 09/20/93
60 Gonzales, Tyler James Madison HS, TX RHP R/R HS 6'02" 175lbs DOB: 01/22/93
81 DeJong, Chase Woodrow Wilson HS, CA RHP L/R HS 6'04" 185lbs DOB: 12/29/93
112 Alford, Anthony Petal HS, MS CF R/R HS 6'01" 205lbs DOB: 07/20/94
145 Donahue, Tucker Stetson University, FL RHP R/R SR 6'02" 200lbs DOB: 08/27/90
175 Delatte, Brad Nicholls St U, LA LHP L/L SR 6'00" 175lbs DOB: 01/13/90
205 Phillips, Eric Georgia Southern, GA 3B R/R SR 6'02" lbs DOB: 07/16/90
235 Parmley, Ian Liberty University, VA OF L/L SR 5'11" lbs DOB: 12/19/89
265 Frawley, Harrison Coastal Carolina U, SC C R/R 5S 6'01" 195lbs DOB: 06/01/89
295 Leyland, Jordan Azusa Pacific University, CA 1B R/R SR 6'04" 205lbs DOB: 09/06/89
325 Azor, Alex United States Naval Academy, MD CF L/L SR 5'11" 190lbs DOB: 11/21/88
355 Heyman, Grant Pittsford Sutherland HS, NY OF L/R HS 6'04" 185lbs DOB: 11/07/93
385 Kellogg, Ryan Henry Street HS, LHP R/L HS 6'05" 215lbs DOB: 02/04/94
415 Silviano, John Summit Christian School, FL C L/R HS 5'11" 190lbs DOB: 07/11/94
445 Wasilewski, Zakery Tazewell HS, VA LHP L/L HS 6'01" 190lbs DOB: 06/16/93
475 Borucki, Ryan Mundelein HS, IL LHP L/L HS 6'04" 175lbs DOB: 03/31/94


Nice job, sure helps. :cheers:

Johann
06-06-2012, 03:14 PM
I want to hold my excitement for until the signing becomes mainstream.

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 03:15 PM
Thats what I'm talkin about!! Go all in on these 7 guys!!


And we could still find some hidden gems in these lower rounds

the_jon
06-06-2012, 03:17 PM
Stroman should be an easy sign right?

the_jon
06-06-2012, 03:20 PM
Funny how everyone thought AA was gonna come way out of left field with the first pick and then he ended up drafting a guy who many had going to us. Ironically, that is the most surprising thing he could have done.

North Yorker
06-06-2012, 03:20 PM
I dont see why theres any reason why AA would sign Smoral now unless it's for slot money ($1M), which is half what he was originally asking for iirc.

Johann
06-06-2012, 03:22 PM
Stroman should be an easy sign right?

We hope.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-06-2012, 03:43 PM
Is Katie his agent??

phillipmike
06-06-2012, 03:49 PM
Is Katie his agent??

She is his aunt.

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 03:51 PM
Man, AA again looking like such a genious ....

Played this draft perfectly

phillipmike
06-06-2012, 03:51 PM
Stroman should be an easy sign right?

I would be shocked if the Jays cant sign Stroman at slot or slightly under. If they sign him i think they will go the Chris Sale route for him and i think that can be very attractive for him to get signed.

Johann
06-06-2012, 03:53 PM
Man, AA again looking like such a genious ....

Played this draft perfectly

AA isn't the only one doing the drafting. The Jays have a scouting director and a scouting team.

Tinnish is doing a heck of a job.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-06-2012, 03:54 PM
Norris+Smoral that's just not fair for the AL East.
I know we get jealous of other teams but just imagine what red sox and Yankees and Rays fans are thinking looking at that.
2 massive lefties with #2 or 3 starter capabilities lmao good luck

Eagles4Lyfe
06-06-2012, 03:55 PM
AA isn't the only one doing the drafting. The Jays have a scouting director and a scouting team.

Tinnish is doing a heck of a job.

The product of Brock University boo ya

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 03:55 PM
AA isn't the only one doing the drafting. The Jays have a scouting director and a scouting team.

Tinnish is doing a heck of a job.

Your absolutely right man!

phillipmike
06-06-2012, 04:15 PM
Its still a report at the moment... The number has not been decided on yet.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2012/06/06/blue_jays_smoral_tough_sign_mlb_draft/

phillipmike
06-06-2012, 04:17 PM
Zak Wasilewski


Wasilewski chooses Blue Jays over Gamecocks

By BRIAN WOODSON Bluefield Daily Telegraph

BLUEFIELD — It took about as long as it takes to spell his last name for Zak Wasilewski to decide on his future.

According to Karen Wasilewski, Zak’s mother, her son is going to pass on playing college baseball and head to Florida next week as part of the Toronto Blue Jays organization.

Wasilewski, the standout Tazewell left-handed pitcher, was drafted by the Blue Jays in the 14th round of the Major League Amateur Draft on Tuesday. He was the 445th overall selection in a process that goes for 50 rounds.

He had previously signed to play at two-time defending NCAA champion South Carolina, but baseball, not school, was his first choice.

lmallia
06-06-2012, 04:23 PM
If Smoral signs this early, and for slot, I'd be extremely impressed.

Toxeryll
06-06-2012, 04:38 PM
John Lott ‏@LottOnBaseball

Also talked to Tyler Gonzales, another 1A pick. Says he will sign at “close to” slot ($857,200). Both he & Smoral off to Dunedin 4 physicals

Gonzales, a RHP from Texas: "The money they have offered … it’s enough for me. I’m ready to play. I’m ready to start my career."

Johann
06-06-2012, 04:44 PM
John Lott ‏@LottOnBaseball

Really great news.

phillipmike
06-06-2012, 04:45 PM
The site that cannot be named is reporting Smoral signed but the price has not been reported yet.

phillipmike
06-06-2012, 04:49 PM
Two of Blue Jays’ top draft picks appear close to signing

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/06/06/two-of-blue-jays-top-draft-picks-appear-close-to-signing/

JaysFan87
06-06-2012, 05:08 PM
Did AA just get him for $1M???????



https://twitter.com/MikeCormack/status/210446480773890048

no...$1M is slot

JaysFan87
06-06-2012, 05:09 PM
Stroman should be an easy sign right?

Him and davis should prolly sigh just below slot more so stroman

jackstar
06-06-2012, 05:10 PM
The 17th rounder, Shane Dawson should also be a very easy signing. The minute they offer him a contract he will sign it

bomber0104
06-06-2012, 05:28 PM
so gonzalez is pretty much a lock to sign.. getting him and Smoral this early is probably a good indication that we are gonna enjoy this signing period

MrForever
06-06-2012, 06:07 PM
This is looking like an incredible draft

MrForever
06-06-2012, 06:12 PM
What does slot mean?

Johann
06-06-2012, 06:13 PM
In order

Mike Wilner ‏@Wilnerness590
Congrats to @MSmoral23 - The #Bluejays Pre-Game Show would love to have you as a guest one of the next 3 nights, Matthew! What say you?


Matthew Smoral ‏@MSmoral23
@Wilnerness590 Would love to! Sometime in the next couple days would be fine, excited about this opportunity with #bluejays!!

Looks like Smoral's a Jay! :D

Krylian
06-06-2012, 06:20 PM
Tucker Donahue has signed a 4-digit bonus as per BA.

After a strong junior season at Stetson, righthander Tucker Donahue had several second-day draft offers in 2011. However, the finance major didn’t get the signing-bonus offer he was looking for and fell to the 38th round. He decided to return for his senior season and earned his degree; on the field, a disastrous opening weekend helped inflate his numbers. He finished 2-1, 5.20 with 27 strikeouts and 19 walks in 28 innings.

That’s not usually a recipe for moving up 34 draft rounds. But Donahue, whose fastball at times sits in the 92-95 mph range with boring action, was the Blue Jays’ fourth-round pick in 2012. He’s already signed for a four-digit bonus; Donahue declined to give the exact amount.

Welcome to the new draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/06/talking-with-seniors-who-signed-cheap/

North Yorker
06-06-2012, 06:23 PM
MOAR money to throw at Alford nom nom nom!!

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 06:24 PM
Tucker Donahue has signed a 4-digit bonus as per BA.

After a strong junior season at Stetson, righthander Tucker Donahue had several second-day draft offers in 2011. However, the finance major didnít get the signing-bonus offer he was looking for and fell to the 38th round. He decided to return for his senior season and earned his degree; on the field, a disastrous opening weekend helped inflate his numbers. He finished 2-1, 5.20 with 27 strikeouts and 19 walks in 28 innings.

Thatís not usually a recipe for moving up 34 draft rounds. But Donahue, whose fastball at times sits in the 92-95 mph range with boring action, was the Blue Jaysí fourth-round pick in 2012. Heís already signed for a four-digit bonus; Donahue declined to give the exact amount.

Welcome to the new draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/06/talking-with-seniors-who-signed-cheap/

4 DIGITS!!??

Are we talkin like 5000 dollers???

Wow

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 06:25 PM
MOAR money to throw at Alford nom nom nom!!

Ya. By the sounds of it they should have a lot of extra money to entice Alford

Johann
06-06-2012, 06:30 PM
Ya. By the sounds of it they should have a lot of extra money to entice Alford

Pretty sure by signing a 4th rounder for 4 digits is saving a lot of dough.

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 06:32 PM
apparently most of these college seniors drafted in the first 10 rounds are gonna sign for around 5 grand ...

Korac
06-06-2012, 06:32 PM
Wow, four digits...I'm glad he has the degree to fall back on... :p

Really though, these seniors don't have much of a choice if they want the chance to play pro ball.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-06-2012, 06:32 PM
:laugh: AA and Co continuing to show how dominant they are when it comes to building and drafting a farm.
Thank you hopefully no more Cordero signings will be needed in the future

Krylian
06-06-2012, 06:51 PM
Pretty sure by signing a 4th rounder for 4 digits is saving a lot of dough.

Recommended slot for that pick is $308,700...to keep things clean and simple, let's say he got $8,700. That's $300K they have to play with just with that signing.

Tremendous start to the signing season.

...and Donahue can actually get his fastball up to 96. Imagine the deals they'll do with the barista's and gas attendants they drafted from 5-10.

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 06:55 PM
Recommended slot for that pick is $308,700...to keep things clean and simple, let's say he got $8,700. That's $300K they have to play with just with that signing.

Tremendous start to the signing season.

...and Donahue can actually get his fastball up to 96. Imagine the deals they'll do with the barista's and gas attendants they drafted from 5-10.

Lol cmon dude.

These guys all have their degrees now. Lets at least give them some credit

Krylian
06-06-2012, 06:56 PM
Lol cmon dude.

These guys all have their degrees now. Lets at least give them some credit

The job market isn't that great right now. haha

DeRozan10
06-06-2012, 06:57 PM
keithlaw ‏@keithlaw
Yes, around $2MM. RT @AZivkovic74: @keithlaw Have you heard anything about this supposed deal between the Jays and Smoral? #mlbdraft

alistar
06-06-2012, 07:14 PM
I don't understand why their taking so little. They actually have quite a bit of leverage. Say give me at least 5 figures or I won't sign and you lose the amount allotted to me from your draft budget. Thats a pretty strong BATNA which I'm surprised more aren't using unless they already agreed beforehand

Krylian
06-06-2012, 07:25 PM
I don't understand why their taking so little. They actually have quite a bit of leverage. Say give me at least 5 figures or I won't sign and you lose the amount allotted to me from your draft budget. Thats a pretty strong BATNA which I'm surprised more aren't using unless they already agreed beforehand

Because if the Jays asked you before they draft you would you sign for $5K and you say yes, then you're a scumbag if you don't. And if you say no, then you run the risk of not being drafted.

Krylian
06-06-2012, 07:28 PM
keithlaw ‏@keithlaw
Yes, around $2MM. RT @AZivkovic74: @keithlaw Have you heard anything about this supposed deal between the Jays and Smoral? #mlbdraft

I think $2M is what most of us thought it would take heading in to this.

I like that they're going after him first rather than going the other way which is what many people were thinking. Sign the easy guys first and use the excess cash for the big boys. Instead, they're signing one of the tough signs, then turning to Davis, Stroman, Nay, etc... and saying...that takes us down to $6.8+M. Get in now if you want some...not sure how much will be left for you if you wait.

Toxeryll
06-06-2012, 08:01 PM
Tucker Donahue has signed a 4-digit bonus as per BA.

After a strong junior season at Stetson, righthander Tucker Donahue had several second-day draft offers in 2011. However, the finance major didnít get the signing-bonus offer he was looking for and fell to the 38th round. He decided to return for his senior season and earned his degree; on the field, a disastrous opening weekend helped inflate his numbers. He finished 2-1, 5.20 with 27 strikeouts and 19 walks in 28 innings.

Thatís not usually a recipe for moving up 34 draft rounds. But Donahue, whose fastball at times sits in the 92-95 mph range with boring action, was the Blue Jaysí fourth-round pick in 2012. Heís already signed for a four-digit bonus; Donahue declined to give the exact amount.

Welcome to the new draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/06/talking-with-seniors-who-signed-cheap/

hmm 4 digits, $99.99 :D

jaysforever
06-06-2012, 08:08 PM
I don't understand why their taking so little. They actually have quite a bit of leverage. Say give me at least 5 figures or I won't sign and you lose the amount allotted to me from your draft budget. Thats a pretty strong BATNA which I'm surprised more aren't using unless they already agreed beforehand

I think they all agreed befor the draft. Tucker is proud to be a 4th rounder:


ďI talked to a good amount of teams, probably 15 teams, and I knew this was a possible play; it was pretty cut and dried,Ē Donahue said. ďIíd say 10 of the 15 all asked if I would sign for something like that. As a senior, I knew it could happen. I figured the high draft round sticks with you. I thought it was worth trading a few grand to be a higher-round pick. Money disappears, but I will forever be a fourth-round pick.Ē



full article:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/06/talking-with-seniors-who-signed-cheap/

wings
06-07-2012, 07:26 AM
Mr Boras is not too happy about how the draft rules are playing out, because well I guess it used to be his job to make a mockery of the draft. Appel, McCullers and I believe Marrero all his "advisees" and all dropped big time losing some coin. Most of Boras tactics are out the door and his comments about the Nationals not currently having Strasburg or Harper if this system were in place are just stupid. Where else would they have gone to gain extra leverage or coin?

I cannot stand Boras and think he has damaged a lot of careers of 18 year olds with all his gamesmanship.

I think the new system is a little silly, but Boras is never the voice of "the best interest in baseball".

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/06/scott-boras-mlb-draft-a-mockery/1#.T9AnXNVYvdx

bartron_44
06-07-2012, 08:06 AM
Man, it is looking more and more like we may sign all of our top guys (except maybe Alford as he may just love Football more then any amount of money). Someone may talk some sense into him if he is really as good as his coach makes him sound, but i won't be surprised at all if we don't get Alford. Getting the rest of the top 7 though would still be a pretty effin sweet draft.

phillipmike
06-07-2012, 09:24 AM
RE: Alford

I cannot remember who said it but an insider said that Alford is allowed to sign with us AND play college football. It maybe the only way to get him to sign and sign for a reasonable deal.

Signs with us plays baseball in the summer and college football in the fall. If i am not mistaken he will be drafted as a senior in 4 years and by that time he should be MLB ready if he is a legit player. So he would decide NFL or MLB and if legit he would be ready for the pro leagues in either sport.

phillipmike
06-07-2012, 09:28 AM
Looks like the Jays will have a large amount of cash to work with.


Sixth-rounder Eric Phillips was among those taken between Rounds 4-10 on Tuesday to settle, accepting $5,000 (all figures US), and if the six others end up in a similar range, amateur scouting director Andrew Tinnish would free up the vast majority of the $1,244,800 allotted for those picks.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 09:50 AM
Looks like the Jays will have a large amount of cash to work with.

Phillips had said that a lot of seniors will only be getting about $1000 so he's very grateful. Not sure if it was in this interview or another I read.

It's slowly coming together, folks.

sheps88
06-07-2012, 10:27 AM
I believe if Alford signs he is ineligible for Football as he would then be classified as a Pro is that correct...

So Alford may need to make his decision.

Maybe Alford is the last one we try and sign and show him the rest of the vault if they can get some other kids cheap.

craigerlee
06-07-2012, 10:33 AM
RE: Alford

I cannot remember who said it but an insider said that Alford is allowed to sign with us AND play college football. It maybe the only way to get him to sign and sign for a reasonable deal.

Signs with us plays baseball in the summer and college football in the fall. If i am not mistaken he will be drafted as a senior in 4 years and by that time he should be MLB ready if he is a legit player. So he would decide NFL or MLB and if legit he would be ready for the pro leagues in either sport.

I don't think this can be true. Pretty sure you can't accept money or take a job that pays significantly more than your scholarship. Pretty sure a 2M signing bonus will be significantly more than his scholarship.

heusy_79
06-07-2012, 10:53 AM
Can we call the Smoral signing a done deal yet or is it not official? Seems like he's agreed to sign for roughly $2MM and that would be just fine with me.

phillipmike
06-07-2012, 10:55 AM
I believe if Alford signs he is ineligible for Football as he would then be classified as a Pro is that correct...

So Alford may need to make his decision.

Maybe Alford is the last one we try and sign and show him the rest of the vault if they can get some other kids cheap.


I don't think this can be true. Pretty sure you can't accept money or take a job that pays significantly more than your scholarship. Pretty sure a 2M signing bonus will be significantly more than his scholarship.

I cant find the actual insider who said it but this is all i can find.

http://jaysjournal.com/hub/could-alford-play-college-football-and-sign-with-the-jays/


Yes. @mnath999: Is it possible for Alford to play college football and still sign with the #BlueJays? #mlbdraft

Rules are very different now but historically playing both sports is not out of the question. Re: Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders.

My perspective is that it gives Alford some flexibility so he does not have to pick one or the other. It sounds like if he HAS to pick one then it will be football. If it is possible, by leaving both doors open it still gives him a pathway to hone both skills and see what path is best for him. In about 3-4 years he could develop into a legit player and could be MLB ready and at that time the Jays could be a legit year-in and year-out contender and that maybe more appealing to him if he isnt seen as a sure-fire legit QB prospect picked in the 1st or 2nd round 3-4 years from now.

Also to keep in mind that he isnt expected to be named the starting QB for Southern Miss and if he is not it may act as a deterring factor against a football career.

He has a lot of options and flexibility would be key for him at such a young age.

North Yorker
06-07-2012, 11:08 AM
KLaw:


Toronto Blue Jays
Summary: The Blue Jays pounded high-ceiling guys early, then went after a slew of college seniors through the 10th round to create room under the bonus pool cap so they can go over slot to sign those earlier picks. D.J. Davis (1) is a raw, high-risk outfielder, an 80 runner who did do a lot of work to clean up his swing and improve his contact rates this spring. Marcus Stroman (1) shouldn't have gotten that far in the draft; he is 5-foot-9 but has everything else you want in a starter, including three pitches (one plus), fastball command and great competitiveness on the mound. As a reliever, he's big league ready. Matt Smoral (1A), who is close to signing with the Jays for about $2 million, would have gone in the top 10-15 overall had he not broken his foot in March. He's a power lefty with a low 3/4 slot who has hit 96 and shows a plus slider. Mitch Nay (1A) is a third baseman now but will play right field or first base in pro ball; he has plus-plus raw power but was getting out front all spring and popping a lot of pitches up. He should sign very soon. Tyler Gonzales (1A) is up to 98 and flashes a plus slider, but it's a violent delivery and his command is poor. Chase DeJong (2) is a projectable right-hander up to 92 with four pitches, none of them plus, and is aggressive with the fastball. Anthony Alford (3) would have been a first-rounder but told teams to stop scouting him because he was fully committed to going to Southern Miss to play football, regardless of the financial offers. We'll see how serious he was about it. The Blue Jays took a few backup tough-sign options after the 10th round, such as left-hander/Oregon commit Cole Irvin (29) and shortstop/Miami commit Brandon Lopez (33), in case they don't get any of the top seven signed. I thought this was the most obvious strategy to employ in the current system if you had extra picks, and the Jays executed it extremely well.

LuckyLuke2
06-07-2012, 11:12 AM
KLaw:

Amazing. Love this article... it's true too.

Apprently Smoral was signed?

Krylian
06-07-2012, 11:23 AM
Apparently Beede has signed for $3M with the Jays too.

And that Darvish kid. He's looking great as our #2 guy between Romero and Morrow.

It probably is a done deal.....but we've been burned before...and recently enough that I'm not counting my chickens.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 11:38 AM
9th rounder. Jordan Leyland...sounds done.

Leyland: Talked to them yesterday and I’m ready to go right away. Leaving for Vancouver at the end of the week to start getting ready to begin my career.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 11:39 AM
7th rounder. Ian Parmley...also sounds just about done.

Parmley: Definitely, I’ll be in contact with them during the week and I plan on leaving here for camp this week and getting things started.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 11:40 AM
5th rounder. Brad Delatte...

Delatte: It wasn't a surprise, because I had been talking to them previously. What is a surprise is that they took me this early. I'm ready to rock as soon as they're ready to rock.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 11:41 AM
We also already know about Donahue and Phillips.

Only ones I haven't heard about are Frawley and Azor yet.

es0terik
06-07-2012, 12:22 PM
4 DIGITS!!??

Are we talkin like 5000 dollers???

Wow

It's good news but this also probably means that he's total crap, as are the rest of the guys drafted in that area lol. There's a reason they weren't ranked Top-500. I'm pretty sure AA and Tinnish used 40 picks on about 8 or 9 guys.


John Lott ‏@LottOnBaseball

Oh fook yes!

craigerlee
06-07-2012, 12:33 PM
I cant find the actual insider who said it but this is all i can find.

http://jaysjournal.com/hub/could-alford-play-college-football-and-sign-with-the-jays/



Rules are very different now but historically playing both sports is not out of the question. Re: Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders.

My perspective is that it gives Alford some flexibility so he does not have to pick one or the other. It sounds like if he HAS to pick one then it will be football. If it is possible, by leaving both doors open it still gives him a pathway to hone both skills and see what path is best for him. In about 3-4 years he could develop into a legit player and could be MLB ready and at that time the Jays could be a legit year-in and year-out contender and that maybe more appealing to him if he isnt seen as a sure-fire legit QB prospect picked in the 1st or 2nd round 3-4 years from now.

Also to keep in mind that he isnt expected to be named the starting QB for Southern Miss and if he is not it may act as a deterring factor against a football career.

He has a lot of options and flexibility would be key for him at such a young age.

Bo Jackson and Deon Sanders played baseball and football in college and later played pro football and pro baseball, neither played pro ball and college football simultaneously so I don't see how these guys apply to this situation.

Can't speak to the person who tweeted that they can, as I have no clue who he is. However I'm pretty sure there's a rule in place where NCAA athletes can't except lucrative jobs, which is why Spurrier is advocating for NCAA football players to get an extra stipend for playing college football.

es0terik
06-07-2012, 12:36 PM
Bo Jackson and Deon Sanders played baseball and football in college and later played pro football and pro baseball, neither played pro ball and college football simultaneously so I don't see how these guys apply to this situation.

Can't speak to the person who tweeted that they can, as I have no clue who he is. However I'm pretty sure there's a rule in place where NCAA athletes can't except lucrative jobs, which is why Spurrier is advocating for NCAA football players to get an extra stipend for playing college football.

The only reason I'd put even a little stock into that tweet is because it was from Jim Callis (the guy who does most of the stuff for Baseball America). I still don't like the thought of Alford playing football at the same time though, not even a little bit. If he wants to do that, he should just go sit in the truck. I'd happily accept the compensation pick next year.

alistar
06-07-2012, 12:38 PM
Bo Jackson and Deon Sanders played baseball and football in college and later played pro football and pro baseball, neither played pro ball and college football simultaneously so I don't see how these guys apply to this situation.

Can't speak to the person who tweeted that they can, as I have no clue who he is. However I'm pretty sure there's a rule in place where NCAA athletes can't except lucrative jobs, which is why Spurrier is advocating for NCAA football players to get an extra stipend for playing college football.

Kyle Parker signed a deal with the Rockies where he could play football at Clemson

Krylian
06-07-2012, 12:51 PM
10 rounder. Alex Azor.....

Azor: I sign this contract that they are going to bring to me and no questions asked. I go wherever I need to go to get a physical and then start doing workouts. We're just moving forward one step at a time.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 12:53 PM
It's good news but this also probably means that he's total crap, as are the rest of the guys drafted in that area lol. There's a reason they weren't ranked Top-500. I'm pretty sure AA and Tinnish used 40 picks on about 8 or 9 guys.


They are absolute crap (ok...Donahue has gotten up to 98 with his FB), but that's the point and it's understood. You don't get the cap space needed if you draft guys that are marginal or mediocre...you need rancid here.

Quality or Quantity every day of the week.

craigerlee
06-07-2012, 01:02 PM
The only reason I'd put even a little stock into that tweet is because it was from Jim Callis (the guy who does most of the stuff for Baseball America). I still don't like the thought of Alford playing football at the same time though, not even a little bit. If he wants to do that, he should just go sit in the truck. I'd happily accept the compensation pick next year.
Didn't realize that was Callis, maybe it is possible.

Kyle Parker signed a deal with the Rockies where he could play football at Clemson

Interesting, I didn't know this was possible. Its crazy that Reggie Bush gets punished for making money outside of football yet if your playing professional baseball its okay.

He must not be able use an agent when negotiating his signing bonus then, right?

wings
06-07-2012, 01:02 PM
Quote from Jim Callis regarding Jamie Winston that can also be applied to Alford


He can play professionally in baseball and be eligible for NCAA football. Essentially, he can get $100,000 (or whatever the bonus is--it won't be huge) for a summer job with no long-term commitment to baseball. The Rangers get to control his rights if he decides to play baseball, and can try to entice him with more money down the road.

So could we even go underslot let him play football next season and then go big after him after a year or 2. Could we even bank more pool money for picks 11 on? Wow

Krylian
06-07-2012, 01:12 PM
Quote from Jim Callis regarding Jamie Winston that can also be applied to Alford



So could we even go underslot let him play football next season and then go big after him after a year or 2. Could we even bank more pool money for picks 11 on? Wow

I was just reading that as well. Certainly sounds that way.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 02:38 PM
Being selected in the 30th round of Major League Baseball's Amateur draft would seem like a no brainer for Carmel graduate Devin Pearson to go to college instead. But hold on. The Blue Jays are likely going to offer Pearson more money than any other 30th round pick. Remember, they wanted to draft him in the first 10 rounds, but he wouldn't commit to signing. Plus Pearson is undecided on where he's going to college. While I think college would be a better choice, a potential six-figure signing bonus plus a paid education might be hard to pass up.

http://prepnation.blogspot.ca/2012/06/devin-pearson_07.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Eagles4Lyfe
06-07-2012, 02:45 PM
Think of it like this your getting 5, 000 right of the bat and if baseball doesn't work out then you just got $5000 to travel and get to know future major league stars.
If I got offered 5K right now straight up I'd do that.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 02:54 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/grand-street-campus-shortstop-demands-500-000-signing-bonus-blue-jays-pass-10th-40th-article-1.1091188

Cuas' asking price is $500K.

lmallia
06-07-2012, 02:54 PM
Ok for the sake of updating the board, can anyone post official confirmed signings with $$? Thanks.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 03:04 PM
Ok for the sake of updating the board, can anyone post official confirmed signings with $$? Thanks.

There are only 2 confirmed signings (one with a $ amount). Everything else is speculation.

Tucker Donahue signed...all we know is 4-figures.
Eric Phillips has signed for $5000.

lmallia
06-07-2012, 03:07 PM
There are only 2 confirmed signings (one with a $ amount). Everything else is speculation.

Tucker Donahue signed...all we know is 4-figures.
Eric Phillips has signed for $5000.

Cheers.

I'm pretty certain if you have remaining money from your top 10 rounds pool you can throw it into bumping up Rounds 11+ from 100k per slot, correct?

Krylian
06-07-2012, 03:11 PM
Cheers.

I'm pretty certain if you have remaining money from your top 10 rounds pool you can throw it into bumping up Rounds 11+ from 100k per slot, correct?


Yes. If Alford doesn't sign I'm sure the Jays will have excess money that they can dangle in front of some of the 11th - 40th round guys.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-07-2012, 03:18 PM
If Alford passes up 2-3M straight up for a chance at a sport don't get wrong is great to play and watch but that doesn't give you nearly as much guaranteed money as baseball, he's insane.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 03:45 PM
If Alford passes up 2-3M straight up for a chance at a sport don't get wrong is great to play and watch but that doesn't give you nearly as much guaranteed money as baseball, he's insane.

I can't see any way the Jays find enough scratch to offer him $2-3M. My guess is $1-1.3M.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 04:01 PM
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/6/7/3070964/toronto-blue-jays-sign-matt-smoral

Smoral is official.

lmallia
06-07-2012, 04:12 PM
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/6/7/3070964/toronto-blue-jays-sign-matt-smoral

Smoral is official.

Great job signing him, 2m is decent for a guy who would have probably commanded more if it wasn't for the foot injury.

DeRozan10
06-07-2012, 04:14 PM
I can't see any way the Jays find enough scratch to offer him $2-3M. My guess is $1-1.3M.

It depends too on weather they work something out, allowing him to play football while he's in the system ....

I could potentially see him signing for around the slot and have something worked out to do both ...

It's a risk for the Jays, but they have so much outfield depth in the minors as is, that it is definitely a risk that could be worth making .....

Dol-Fan
06-07-2012, 04:23 PM
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/6/7/3070964/toronto-blue-jays-sign-matt-smoral

Smoral is official.

Wow. One of the tougher signs is the first big ticket signing. Great stuff.

DeRozan10
06-07-2012, 04:25 PM
Its crazy the Jays may have gotten 4 first round talents(Davis, Stroman, Smoral, Alford), and 2 of them (Stroman, Smoral) may even be in the 10-15 range

DeRozan10
06-07-2012, 04:26 PM
Im interested to hear more about some of the high ceiling, tough signs they got in rounds 11+ ......

DeRozan10
06-07-2012, 04:30 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
Keith Law says Marcus Stroman would rank as Toronto's fourth-best prospect right now #BlueJays

thats pretty crazy considering our farm system ....

According to how we here at PSD ranked the prospects, that would put him as the top pitcher

DeRozan10
06-07-2012, 04:32 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
#BlueJays 10th rounder, Alex Azor, who signed for $1,000: "I told them I will sign for a hot dog."

DeRozan10
06-07-2012, 04:34 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
Slot value for Azor's pick is actually $125,000, saving the #BlueJays $124,000 to throw at others.

lmallia
06-07-2012, 04:47 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
#BlueJays 10th rounder, Alex Azor, who signed for $1,000: "I told them I will sign for a hot dog."

That is the best quote ever.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-07-2012, 04:48 PM
wttf lmao I make that in a month :laugh:

Bob_at_york
06-07-2012, 04:49 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
#BlueJays 10th rounder, Alex Azor, who signed for $1,000: "I told them I will sign for a hot dog."

I now want a hot dog.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-07-2012, 04:50 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
Keith Law says Marcus Stroman would rank as Toronto's fourth-best prospect right now #BlueJays

thats pretty crazy considering our farm system ....

According to how we here at PSD ranked the prospects, that would put him as the top pitcher

Well who is the top ranked pitcher right now. There all kinda far away he'd be the closest one of the top of my head. Hutch, Drabek, Hendo are already up and I'm not high on Deck to begin with. Who else is there??

MrForever
06-07-2012, 04:50 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
Slot value for Azor's pick is actually $125,000, saving the #BlueJays $124,000 to throw at others.

He's listed to join the military this fall apparently

Spiderdan22
06-07-2012, 04:50 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
#BlueJays 10th rounder, Alex Azor, who signed for $1,000: "I told them I will sign for a hot dog."

For this player to sign for so little considering slot was $125,000, has AA already found a loophole in the new drafting system?

jaysforever
06-07-2012, 05:17 PM
Here's BA's take on our draft. No mention of hot dog bonus's:


TORONTO BLUE JAYS
Did any team play the board like Toronto? Six of their first seven picks ranked in the top 45 on the BA 500, and slugging high schooler Mitch Nay ranked 101. Then they went senior after senior from the fourth round on, going back for upside in rounds 11-16. Canadian lefty Ryan Kellogg (12) may give them a home-country discount. If they get outfielderAnthony Alford (3) done in the third round, they'll have landed the draft's best athlete with the 112th selection, and Duke righty Marcus Stroman (1) gives them a safe hedge against all their upside picks. Well played, Blue Jays.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 05:26 PM
He's listed to join the military this fall apparently

Minimum 2 years, Maximum 5 years.

Johann
06-07-2012, 05:39 PM
Well who is the top ranked pitcher right now. There all kinda far away he'd be the closest one of the top of my head. Hutch, Drabek, Hendo are already up and I'm not high on Deck to begin with. Who else is there??

Daniel Norris, Nicolino, etc.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 05:43 PM
Sanchez is the #1 pitcher.

alistar
06-07-2012, 06:38 PM
For this player to sign for so little considering slot was $125,000, has AA already found a loophole in the new drafting system?

How is this a loophole? 5-6 other teams(Texas, Houston) were doing the exact same thing.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 07:56 PM
How is this a loophole? 5-6 other teams(Texas, Houston) were doing the exact same thing.

The defintion of a loophole isn't that one person/organization found a way of circumventing a system...it's that the circumvention of a system exists...and in this case, many teams are using this loophole.

jaysforever
06-07-2012, 08:17 PM
Per BA: (all underslot deals)

Roache, Brewers Agree On $1,525,000
Correa’s Bonus From Astros: $4.8 Million
Royals Sign Zimmer For $3 Million

DwayneMVPwade
06-07-2012, 08:31 PM
Well who is the top ranked pitcher right now. There all kinda far away he'd be the closest one of the top of my head. Hutch, Drabek, Hendo are already up and I'm not high on Deck to begin with. Who else is there??

Noah Syndergaard

13Lawrie13
06-07-2012, 08:51 PM
Noah Syndergaard

No, Aaron Sanchez, at this point, is likely the Jays best pitching prospect.

He's always had extremely good stuff, and this year it's showing in the results.

Krylian
06-07-2012, 09:39 PM
Noah Syndergaard

Nope. Noah is likely 4th right now behind Sanchez, Norris, Nicolino.

DeRozan10
06-07-2012, 10:48 PM
Q+A with Duke pitching coach on Marcus Stroman
TORONTO — Duke pitching coach Sean Snedeker spoke with MLB.com about right-hander Marcus Stroman, who the Blue Jays selected at No. 22 overall in the First-Year Player Draft on Monday.

Below are some of the highlights.

On whether he thinks Stroman should start or come out of the bullpen:

“Here’s the thing with Marcus, and I would not have said this prior to this year — he can literally do whatever the Blue Jays would like him to do. He is capable and equipped to be a starter or reliever. I think he projects more as a back of the bullpen-type of guy because his velocity will increase and he will be more aggressive.”

On his pitching arsenal:

“The quality of his pitches are Major League ready. Stroman has the complete package. He has four pitches that he throws all for strikes, with plus velocity. If you are grading these pitches out, they are all Major League average to plus pitches. To find that in one package is extremely rare, when you are talking about being able to do it and do it consistently in the strike zone. He showed all season long that he was capable of doing that.”

On Stroman’s progression over his three years in college:

“He had good stuff coming into Duke. The thing we really worked on was to be able to command a fastball, number one. When he came in he was used to overpowering guys with a fastball without much thought to command and locate. That, obviously, evolved and the emphasis was put on him right away to be down in the zone.”

On where he stacks up to others he has coached:

“I think the Blue Jays are in for quite a treat. The kid competes, he’s athletic and he’s as close to Major League ready right now as anybody I’ve ever had his age, and I’ve had roughly 40 Major League pitchers on my pitching staff in one shape or form. He’s a good one. He has a huge heart. He is singularly focused on playing in the big leagues.”

Snedeker thought Stroman would be taken higher in the Draft and believes a potential stigma exists in baseball about smaller guys. Stroman is listed at 5-foot-9, 185 pounds.

“The thing that drives him is, he wants to show that he can do it despite his size. His stuff will so overshadow his size. If you doubt the guy, it fuels his fire. I’m very confident he can make a rapid rise to the big leagues.

“I couldn’t be happier for him, personally. I’m extremely proud of him, a very good worker and he was an unbelievably consistent performer. He’s a special kid.”

– Chris Toman

JaysFan87
06-08-2012, 12:54 AM
Noah Syndergaard

right now? Sanchez and easily sanchez.

Billyen
06-08-2012, 01:05 AM
The Toronto Blue Jays and first-round draft pick Tyler Gonzales are close to a deal, according to John Lott of the National Post. Lott says Tyler Gonzales will sign close to slot and is off to Dunedin for his physical. The recommended slot for Gonzales, the 60th and final first-round draft pick is $857,200.

Gonzalez wasn't on ESPN's Keith Law's big board, but he did write about Gonzales in his evaluations...noting Gonzales throws 98 MPH but with poor command a violent delivery. The 6'2'', 165 lbs Texas high-school pitcher was also a University of Texas commit. He'll obviously forego college now that he's signing the bonus to play in the Jays farm system.

Billyen
06-08-2012, 01:07 AM
There are signing them hard and fast.

lmallia....Time for a update.

lmallia
06-08-2012, 01:12 AM
There are signing them hard and fast.

lmallia....Time for a update.

I dont have the $$$. When I do I'll update, until then I don't really think they are official, no?

Billyen
06-08-2012, 01:13 AM
So they've spent under 37% of the 8.8M on 4 players but they are high picks. Nice.

So if the can sign Davis & Stroman both for 3M or under that gives them almost 3M to sign the rest. Which with these under 100k deals seems like we'll sign most of them.

Billyen
06-08-2012, 01:13 AM
Dp.

Billyen
06-08-2012, 01:16 AM
I dont have the $$$. When I do I'll update, until then I don't really think they are official, no?

What does $$$ mean?

lmallia
06-08-2012, 01:17 AM
What does $$$ mean?

I dont have the exact amount they have signed for. Unless that is posted somewhere I'm not aware of?

Billyen
06-08-2012, 01:19 AM
What does $$$ mean?

Sorry...I got you. Maybe just bold them and fill the amounts later. Sometimes they don't release the amount.

I just like seeing them bolded. :)

lmallia
06-08-2012, 01:22 AM
Sorry...I got you. Maybe just bold them and fill the amounts later. Sometimes they don't release the amount.

I just like seeing them bolded. :)

Haha ok.. Just trying to get a gauge of what money is left for the remainder of the picks.

Billyen
06-08-2012, 01:22 AM
I'm using this for now.
www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/6/7/3069759/mlb-draft-first-round-picks-signing-tracker

MLBTR had a update page but not this year...very slack of them. Smoral confirmed at 2M.

lmallia
06-08-2012, 01:33 AM
I'm using this for now.
www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/6/7/3069759/mlb-draft-first-round-picks-signing-tracker

MLBTR had a update page but not this year...very slack of them. Smoral confirmed at 2M.

Confirmed at exactly 2M? I can't find that anywhere..

MrForever
06-08-2012, 01:41 AM
Is it legit that stroman is good enough that he could be up with the jays by September if he signs?

Billyen
06-08-2012, 01:47 AM
Confirmed at exactly 2M? I can't find that anywhere..

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/6/7/3070964/toronto-blue-jays-sign-matt-smoral

The Toronto Blue Jays and first-round draft pick Matt Smoral have agreed to a deal, as first reported by Peter Gammons of MLB.com. Keith Law of ESPN later confirmed the deal, noting it's worth around $2 million which is double the recommended slot (via Baseball America).

lmallia
06-08-2012, 01:52 AM
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/6/7/3070964/toronto-blue-jays-sign-matt-smoral

The Toronto Blue Jays and first-round draft pick Matt Smoral have agreed to a deal, as first reported by Peter Gammons of MLB.com. Keith Law of ESPN later confirmed the deal, noting it's worth around $2 million which is double the recommended slot (via Baseball America).

;)

Toxeryll
06-08-2012, 02:05 AM
Is it legit that stroman is good enough that he could be up with the jays by September if he signs?

any live arm that can take over cordero is good enough

fatkev78
06-08-2012, 02:34 AM
With the rumoured amounts out there for Smoral, Gonzales & DeJong I don't see how Alford gets done - unless he takes significantly less to play both sports. If that's what it takes to get a deal done (cheap), do it.

It's starting to look really good to get the top 6 done though.

DukesRocks
06-08-2012, 02:35 AM
This site is stating Tyler Gonzales 60th Comp Round pick has signed for the recommended slot dollar amount:clap:

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/6/7/3069759/mlb-draft-first-round-picks-signing-tracker

es0terik
06-08-2012, 04:49 AM
I really wouldn't use MLBDailyDash. They don't have any super credible sources and aren't using and rock-solid information. Smoral hasn't even signed yet. Though there is this:


Mike Wilner ‏@Wilnerness590
Great to talk to @MSmoral23 at the end of tonight's #Bluejays Talk. Not signed yet, but he's agreed to terms and is rarin' to go! #jays

Which Smoral himself basically confirms in a response to Wilner's tweet (given that he doesn't deny it)


Matthew Smoral ‏@MSmoral23
Big thanks to @Wilnerness590 for having me on the show tonight!! #BlueJaysNation

So it looks like hasn't signed the dotted line but has agreed to terms. The exact figure will probably be released soon enough.

alistar
06-08-2012, 08:41 AM
According to Alford, the Blue Jays are trying to make it possible for him to play both football for the University of Southern Mississippi and baseball for Toronto.

es0terik
06-08-2012, 11:43 AM
According to Alford, the Blue Jays are trying to make it possible for him to play both football for the University of Southern Mississippi and baseball for Toronto.

I'd rather not sign him this way and would take the compensation pick next year. Kid's acting like he was a top 5, top 10 talent. Reminds me too much of Beede and I hate guys like that.

Dol-Fan
06-08-2012, 11:45 AM
According to Alford, the Blue Jays are trying to make it possible for him to play both football for the University of Southern Mississippi and baseball for Toronto.

This would be optimal. Sounds to me like he's got more of a future in baseball than he does in football, hopefully the Jays can convince him that's the case.

ILDD
06-08-2012, 12:13 PM
This would be optimal. Sounds to me like he's got more of a future in baseball than he does in football, hopefully the Jays can convince him that's the case.

I agree - get him in the system, let him figure out that he wants to play baseball rather than get concussed day after day in the nfl.

blujaysrock
06-08-2012, 12:18 PM
This would be optimal. Sounds to me like he's got more of a future in baseball than he does in football, hopefully the Jays can convince him that's the case.

I may be wrong, but this guy is/was a top recruit in the country for QB. Let me get an article right quick... alright here it is http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&pid=10&yr=2012 had him ranked #10 for QBs and I read earlier that he was top 100 football recruit overall (different scouting service). He's going to a school where he has the chance to start at QB as a freshman, which is pretty impressive. He's certainly got a decent chance to succeed in football as well.

But it would be optimal for him to pursue baseball in the summer, and still play football as he would then have a thing to fall back on if he fails at football.

If he can play both baseball and football at S. Miss, I don't think he'll sign, though. That was he can still get drafted in the MLB draft in 3-4 years or whatever it is. Hope he signs with us, though.

Dol-Fan
06-08-2012, 12:28 PM
I may be wrong, but this guy is/was a top recruit in the country for QB. Let me get an article right quick... alright here it is http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&pid=10&yr=2012 had him ranked #10 for QBs and I read earlier that he was top 100 football recruit overall (different scouting service). He's going to a school where he has the chance to start at QB as a freshman, which is pretty impressive. He's certainly got a decent chance to succeed in football as well.

But it would be optimal for him to pursue baseball in the summer, and still play football as he would then have a thing to fall back on if he fails at football.

If he can play both baseball and football at S. Miss, I don't think he'll sign, though. That was he can still get drafted in the MLB draft in 3-4 years or whatever it is. Hope he signs with us, though.

I'm not saying he has no future, I'm sure he'll have a solid college career if he plays, but #10 QB recruit makes him very unlikely to make the NFL. IIRC, he's also very unlikely to get the starter job this coming year.

Dol-Fan
06-08-2012, 12:34 PM
Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisBA
Two sources tell me #BlueJays will sign 3rd-rder Anthony Alford & let him continue to play football. Working to confirm bonus. #mlbdraft
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Dol-Fan
06-08-2012, 12:35 PM
Could Smoral and Alford already be down? Wow. If so, kudos AA and co.!

alistar
06-08-2012, 12:37 PM
I'd rather not sign him this way and would take the compensation pick next year. Kid's acting like he was a top 5, top 10 talent. Reminds me too much of Beede and I hate guys like that.

Other than the fact he told teams to stop scouting him and that he intended to play football regardless of where he was drafted or how much $ he was offered. It's not his fault the Jays decided to pick him. If he doesn't sign, its all on them. Not like he didn't give fair warning.

Bob_at_york
06-08-2012, 12:38 PM
Could Smoral and Alford already be down? Wow. If so, kudos AA and co.!

the draft is looking like a success! :clap:

KaiserSose
06-08-2012, 01:07 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/06/jays-to-sign-alford/

bomber0104
06-08-2012, 01:12 PM
yeah i have no issue with him signing and playing football.. unless he becomes a superstar in College which is highly unlikely at a program like South Miss, I think AA will have no problem convincing him to join us in 3 years.

As for the compensation pick next year... who cares since the system is gonna be exactly the same and chances are we will be picking one of those crappy seniors with that pick. We're definitely not getting a talent like Alford thats for sure

DeRozan10
06-08-2012, 01:13 PM
Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisBA
More details on the #BlueJays & Anthony Alford: http://ht.ly/bshI2. I thought he'd unsignable. A coup for the Jays. #mlbdraft

Eagles4Lyfe
06-08-2012, 01:13 PM
I'm not saying he has no future, I'm sure he'll have a solid college career if he plays, but #10 QB recruit makes him very unlikely to make the NFL. IIRC, he's also very unlikely to get the starter job this coming year.

Again even if he makes the NFL, with the new CBA he won't get a high salary like they used to give rookies he'd be given a set amount. Not to mention even if he gets a significant raise and proves himself 2 or 3 years into his rookie year most he'll get is anywhere from 10-25M guaranteed money throughout a whole contract ranging from 4-5 years. That's not that good compared to where If he picks the MLB he can easily get that 10-25M by the age of 25-26 and then some.
Money isn't that great in the NFL anymore and although its a great sport to get your name out in, you can be awful in baseball and still get a great contract. He's projected as Carl Crawford look at how much Carl is earning nowadays and not living up to it.

DeRozan10
06-08-2012, 01:14 PM
Other than the fact he told teams to stop scouting him and that he intended to play football regardless of where he was drafted or how much $ he was offered. It's not his fault the Jays decided to pick him. If he doesn't sign, its all on them. Not like he didn't give fair warning.

hahaha this x100000

couldnt believe he actually said that

bomber0104
06-08-2012, 01:14 PM
This is turning into some kind of draft.. the rest of the players will sign no problem.. Nay is probably the most likely to give us problems but he'll probably sign no problem

DeRozan10
06-08-2012, 01:16 PM
This is turning into some kind of draft.. the rest of the players will sign no problem.. Nay is probably the most likely to give us problems but he'll probably sign no problem

ya itll be very intresting when reports start coming out on the guys we got after the 10th round too.

havent heard too much about many of them

lexecutioner
06-08-2012, 01:18 PM
This is turning into some kind of draft.. the rest of the players will sign no problem.. Nay is probably the most likely to give us problems but he'll probably sign no problem

yeah if Alford signs Jays took out 2 of the biggest hurdles in Smoral and Alford which is just Wow. If the top picks are signed this will undoubtedly be a huge successful draft just by judging the amount of talent, where we got them how much and how brilliant AA and the jays played it. extremely exciting indeed.:clap:

DeRozan10
06-08-2012, 01:18 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
Just spoke with Anthony Alford and can confirm Baseball America report that he will sign with Toronto: http://gregorchisholm.mlblogs.com/ #BlueJays

DeRozan10
06-08-2012, 01:19 PM
Chris Toman ‏@Chris_Toman
Alford will continue playing football at Southern Mississippi, but confirmed he will be signing. Heading to Florida on Saturday #BlueJays

DeRozan10
06-08-2012, 01:21 PM
wow .. good for the jays

blujaysrock
06-08-2012, 01:22 PM
:dance: That's great!

What are the chances we sign our 1st pick? The CF?

lexecutioner
06-08-2012, 01:24 PM
:dance: That's great!

What are the chances we sign our 1st pick? The CF?

great chances. as Bomber mentioned probly Nay is the tough sign

bomber0104
06-08-2012, 01:24 PM
:dance: That's great!

What are the chances we sign our 1st pick? The CF?

should be high although either him or stromann will have to go underslot

blujaysrock
06-08-2012, 01:25 PM
So of our first 10 picks, Nay may be the only one not to sign? I could live with that.

DeRozan10
06-08-2012, 01:32 PM
Gregor Chisholm ‏@gregorMLB
Big move by the #BlueJays to get Alford under contract. He was considered unsignable, which was the only reason he dropped to third round.

DeRozan10
06-08-2012, 01:33 PM
Gregor Chisholm ‏@gregorMLB
The move isn't without risk as Alford could eventually choose football over baseball but it's an interesting gamble. #BlueJays

the_jon
06-08-2012, 01:55 PM
So I don't understand, Alford will play football but he's still signed with us? How does that work? :confused:

bartron_44
06-08-2012, 02:10 PM
So I don't understand, Alford will play football but he's still signed with us? How does that work? :confused:

I imagine he will simply play baseball in the summer , then go to school and play football, then come back and play baseball. If he gets to sit out for 2 or 3 years and play nothing but football, the Jays just paid for this kid to have the time of his life at college for nothing......

As long as we sign everyone else in the top 7 I am cool with this. If we took more money from the pot then simply losing the picks value, then this would be kind of aggravating. If AA still gets all the top guys though and doesn't run out of cash, I don't mind him playing a game of high risk/high reward for a first round talent. We saved a boat load later in the draft by signing guys to next to nothing, so I think he should still have enough to get it done.

bomber0104
06-08-2012, 02:16 PM
I imagine he will simply play baseball in the summer , then go to school and play football, then come back and play baseball. If he gets to sit out for 2 or 3 years and play nothing but football, the Jays just paid for this kid to have the time of his life at college for nothing......

As long as we sign everyone else in the top 7 I am cool with this. If we took more money from the pot then simply losing the picks value, then this would be kind of aggravating. If AA still gets all the top guys though and doesn't run out of cash, I don't mind him playing a game of high risk/high reward for a first round talent. We saved a boat load later in the draft by signing guys to next to nothing, so I think he should still have enough to get it done.

yeah.. pretty sick to be Alford right now.. gets to go to college as a millionaire

es0terik
06-08-2012, 02:24 PM
Basically, the Jays now have about $5.1M to throw at DJ Davis, Marcus Stroman, Mitch Nay and Chase DeJong.

YUMYUM
06-08-2012, 02:27 PM
If AA convinced him to sign, I'm sure he can convince him to play Baseball. Baseball players have guaranteed contracts and longer careers. Only the top 10 QB's in the league make more than a solid major leaguer. This guy was a great high school football player because he was a man playing against boys. In the NFL, and College to a degree, he will be playing with men. There are 30 starting QB's in the NFL against 90 starting outfielders in the MLB. NFL is all about passing and if anything that will increase as running QB's continue to get injured, can't remember the last time a running QB won a Superbowl.

I think he has a higher ceiling as baseball player, in terms of skills and financials.

DukesRocks
06-08-2012, 02:52 PM
I believe the Jays would not pay Alford the full slot amount to sign, if he's playing football. Alford gets what he wants plus come cash. The Jays kill two birds with one stone, they get a signing that could one day play baseball and save slot money.

bomber0104
06-08-2012, 02:55 PM
Basically, the Jays now have about $5.1M to throw at DJ Davis, Marcus Stroman, Mitch Nay and Chase DeJong.

well then we should probably be fine..

assuming Davis and Stroman get paid in the 1.6-2 million range each.. Nay and DeJong should be ask for less than a million

JMac4PM
06-08-2012, 03:08 PM
anybody know anything bout college football? Does USM have a history of developing a lot of NFL players?

blujaysrock
06-08-2012, 03:14 PM
anybody know anything bout college football? Does USM have a history of developing a lot of NFL players?


Brett Favre!


they've had lots of NFLers and quite a few MLB players, actually.

edit: they have 14 players active in the NFL right now, not including the 2012 draftees, if there were any.

jaysforever
06-08-2012, 03:15 PM
well then we should probably be fine..

assuming Davis and Stroman get paid in the 1.6-2 million range each.. Nay and DeJong should be ask for less than a million

I find it easier to think in terms of over/under slot.

We're underslot about $1.2mm from rounds 4 thru 10 plus we have $400k draft overage, so this gives us $1.6mm to spread around above slot. Sounds like Smoral took $1mm (to be confirmed), and now Alford will take about $400k so this leaves only about $200k left for the later round guys.

Hopefully they could add to this by signing Stroman and Davis to underslot deals as i had suggested before. I expect Nay, Gonzalez and Dejong to be close to slot.

MrForever
06-08-2012, 03:28 PM
Brett Favre!


they've had lots of NFLers and quite a few MLB players, actually.

edit: they have 14 players active in the NFL right now, not including the 2012 draftees, if there were any.

I love your sig hahah

jackstar
06-08-2012, 03:32 PM
17th rounder, Shane Dawson has signed for $90,000
http://www.macmedia.ca/index.php/news/news-and-events/1061-shane-june-6.html

fatkev78
06-08-2012, 03:33 PM
I find it easier to think in terms of over/under slot.

We're underslot about $1.2mm from rounds 4 thru 10 plus we have $400k draft overage, so this gives us $1.6mm to spread around above slot. Sounds like Smoral took $1mm (to be confirmed), and now Alford will take about $400k so this leaves only about $200k left for the later round guys.

Hopefully they could add to this by signing Stroman and Davis to underslot deals as i had suggested before. I expect Nay, Gonzalez and Dejong to be close to slot.

Sounds like Smoral took $2mm.
Alford is expected to get about double that ($800-$900k).
DeJong is going for over slot, 1st rd comp $ ($850k-$1mm).

It's going to be tight, but you gotta figure they had something worked out ahead of time.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-08-2012, 03:34 PM
**** this, I'm going to join my university baseball team if they have and tell AA draft me next year and I'll sign for 10K

jaysforever
06-08-2012, 03:57 PM
Sounds like Smoral took $2mm.
Alford is expected to get about double that ($800-$900k).
DeJong is going for over slot, 1st rd comp $ ($850k-$1mm).

It's going to be tight, but you gotta figure they had something worked out ahead of time.

My numbers are the overslot amounts! Dejong could cost a bit more than slot, which would use up all our underslot pool.

fatkev78
06-08-2012, 04:02 PM
My numbers are the overslot amounts! Dejong could cost a bit more than slot, which would use up all our underslot pool.

Ah, ok, makes sense.
But yeah, it's so close that I think it's already a done deal with the top 7.

blujaysrock
06-08-2012, 04:07 PM
**** this, I'm going to join my university baseball team if they have and tell AA draft me next year and I'll sign for 10K

:laugh: If my uni had a team, I'd do it :laugh2: Tell him i'll sign for the minimum, if it's $1, then i'll sign for that.

or, i'll just play on some random senior league and tell them to draft me out of that.

bomber0104
06-08-2012, 04:17 PM
so not getting Gallito might have worked out in our favour.. i'm sure with him in the fold, it wouldn't have been possible to get either alford or Smoral

es0terik
06-08-2012, 04:18 PM
well then we should probably be fine..

assuming Davis and Stroman get paid in the 1.6-2 million range each.. Nay and DeJong should be ask for less than a million

This is how I see it:

Blue Jays Total Pool: $8,830,800

Picks from first 10 rounds:

DJ Davis, Marcus Stroman, Matt Smoral, Mitch Nay, Tyler Gonzales, Chase DeJong, Anthony Alford, Tucker Donahue, Brad Delatte, Eric Phillips, Ian Parmley, Harrison Frawley, Jordan Leyland, Alex Azor

I've allocated $200,000 to the bottom seven on that list (Donahue, Delatte, Phillips, Parmley, Frawley, Leyland, Azor) which puts the average cost of each of those picks at about $28,570. I feel this is being incredibly generous given that Azor has already signed for $1,000 and a few others have signed for 4-5K each it seems. I've only accounted for maybe one of them costing a decent amount of change, though it likely won't be necessary.

This leaves an estimate remaining pool of: $8,630,800

to be spent on:

DJ Davis, Marcus Stroman, Matt Smoral, Mitch Nay, Tyler Gonzales, Chase DeJong, Anthony Alford

Assuming Gonzales signed "close to slot" and Alford signed for "around double the amount valued to his slot" I deduct 800K for Gonzales and 900K for Alford. Then assuming the reports are true and Smoral signed for 2M, that brings the total of these three picks to 3.7M

This leaves an estimate remaining pool of: $4,930,800

to be spent on:

DJ Davis, Marcus Stroman, Mitch Nay, Chase DeJong

I feel like it's possible to get all four of them and still have maybe 400-500K to throw at the good late round guys like Cole Irvin, Brandon Lopez and Ryan Kellogg. I mean I really doubt it'll take 200K to sign those seven guys in the back of the Top 10 rounds, it could even cost us less than 70K. I just put that amount for anything unforeseen.

13Lawrie13
06-08-2012, 04:25 PM
I believe the Jays would not pay Alford the full slot amount to sign, if he's playing football. Alford gets what he wants plus come cash. The Jays kill two birds with one stone, they get a signing that could one day play baseball and save slot money.

Not a chance in h-e-double hockey sticks he signs under-slot.

I'd be stunned if he signed at the alloted slot value.

Krylian
06-08-2012, 04:36 PM
The deal will be close to twice slot (for Alford) from what I'm reading. Some are saying $1M...I'm hoping maybe $750K or so.

bomber0104
06-08-2012, 04:38 PM
keithlaw ‏@keithlaw

If you're a Jays fan, you have to hope Alford gives up football sooner rather than later, so he gets more reps in pro ball.
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keithlaw ‏@keithlaw

Not good for either side. “@DGJaxon: @keithlaw what do you think of the Jays deal with Alford to continue to play FB?”

yeah its not ideal but if it was the only way to get a talent like that to commit, i dont see how this is bad for the Jays.. it cant possibly cost them much in terms of other prospects who could have been selected had we not picked Alford. Only negative is that Alford won't focus on his development as a baseball p[layer

es0terik
06-08-2012, 04:40 PM
Keith Law talks out of his *** and says some pretty dumbass things sometimes.

Though I kinda have to agree with the fact that I've hated giving Alford the option of doing both things at once for a while. You're basically giving a guy money for nothing if he chooses football and they were being so damn conservative of 500K-1M on Beede.

the_jon
06-08-2012, 05:17 PM
Alford has a much better chance to end up playing pro baseball than football. I don't think it's quite as risky as people think it is. He's a business major so he should know how much more he'd get paid as a pro in MLB and also probably realizes he stands to have a much longer career.

I don't know a damn thing about the kid or how passionate he is about football so I could be dead wrong but I'm sure AA and Tinnish did their homework and got a good profile on him. I'm not that worried.

es0terik
06-08-2012, 05:22 PM
Well I'm going off the fact that he actually told baseball guys to stop scouting him because he was fully focused on college football.

Then again, when real dollars are being dangled in front of them, people forget how much they love their mothers, let alone a sport in college.

Krylian
06-08-2012, 05:24 PM
Keith Law talks out of his *** and says some pretty dumbass things sometimes.

Though I kinda have to agree with the fact that I've hated giving Alford the option of doing both things at once for a while. You're basically giving a guy money for nothing if he chooses football and they were being so damn conservative of 500K-1M on Beede.

I'm assuming he's talking about it not being great for his baseball development since he's limiting his play time, instructional time, etc. Plus, there's always the injury factor.

As Jays fans, all we can do it hope he's a flop on the gridiron and decides to quit and go all baseball, all the time.

es0terik
06-08-2012, 05:25 PM
Well I'm not necessarily hoping he's a flop on the gridiron because success in one sport can also lead to success in another. I'm just hoping he realizes he loves money much more than he loves football.

Btw I thought we were moving fast...


- The Astros announced the signing of eight selections, including fifth rounder Andrew Aplin.
- The A's announced that they agreed to terms with 13 players, including their fourth round selection, high school center fielder B.J. Boyd.

I'm jelly bro.

Billyen
06-08-2012, 07:13 PM
Keith Law talks out of his *** and says some pretty dumbass things sometimes.

Though I kinda have to agree with the fact that I've hated giving Alford the option of doing both things at once for a while. You're basically giving a guy money for nothing if he chooses football and they were being so damn conservative of 500K-1M on Beede.

That's a very good point. After seeing and hearing so much about how important it is to get talent in your farm...I still can't get over AA playing chicken with Beede over a 1M or less. Especially with the new CBA coming and AA knowing more of the details than we did.

There was so much talk about the Jays not giving in to the kids/agents demands the past few years. Now with the new CBA it means nothing. Paxston and Beede and a few other would be nice to have in the system for under 2M. Yet, we roll the dice freely on this kid.

Seriously, he may have no intention of every playing and his advisers just told him to take the 800k and buy mum a nice house. I hope this "kid" has character.

fatkev78
06-08-2012, 07:23 PM
That's a very good point. After seeing and hearing so much about how important it is to get talent in your farm...I still can't get over AA playing chicken with Beede over a 1M or less. Especially with the new CBA coming and AA knowing more of the details than we did.

Law stated the Jays and Beede disagreed about his health following a medical. If the Jays doubted his health I'm glad they held out (and got Stroman as a result).

There is no doubt the Jays have been one of the most agressive teams in the draft the past couple years.

2009mvp
06-08-2012, 07:24 PM
Well since we're talking KLaw, he was the one who said the Jays saw something they didn't like with Beede's arm. Too lazy to find the tweet, but I believe he said the two sides disagreed on the health of his arm. Wasn't necessarily just a money thing. Of course that begs the question of why they'd draft him in the first place but that's neither here nor there.

fatkev78
06-08-2012, 07:27 PM
Well since we're talking KLaw, he was the one who said the Jays saw something they didn't like with Beede's arm. Too lazy to find the tweet, but I believe he said the two sides disagreed on the health of his arm. Wasn't necessarily just a money thing. Of course that begs the question of why they'd draft him in the first place but that's neither here nor there.

I'm sure they discovered it at his medical in Dunedin following the draft.

Billyen
06-08-2012, 08:39 PM
Law stated the Jays and Beede disagreed about his health following a medical. If the Jays doubted his health I'm glad they held out (and got Stroman as a result).

There is no doubt the Jays have been one of the most agressive teams in the draft the past couple years.

This is the first I've heard about health issues with Beede. With that said...the Jays seem to draft nothing but, injury players in the draft so they drop.

Does anyone know how Beede pitch in school this year? That would be interesting.

fatkev78
06-08-2012, 09:00 PM
This is the first I've heard about health issues with Beede. With that said...the Jays seem to draft nothing but, injury players in the draft so they drop.
Does anyone know how Beede pitch in school this year? That would be interesting.

That's simply not true.

As for Beede I only know he got rocked in his 1st start.

ah nuts
06-08-2012, 09:14 PM
Keith Law talks out of his *** and says some pretty dumbass things sometimes.

Though I kinda have to agree with the fact that I've hated giving Alford the option of doing both things at once for a while. You're basically giving a guy money for nothing if he chooses football and they were being so damn conservative of 500K-1M on Beede.

wasnt law the one who said the jays and beede had a deal already done before the draft?

T.O.Bombinators
06-08-2012, 10:37 PM
This is the first I've heard about health issues with Beede. With that said...the Jays seem to draft nothing but, injury players in the draft so they drop.

Does anyone know how Beede pitch in school this year? That would be interesting.

http://www.vucommodores.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html

1-5 W/L 4.52ERA 71.2IP 78H 32BB 68K

rapsjaysfan88
06-08-2012, 11:24 PM
Ha beede should have signed, lost millions being stupid

es0terik
06-09-2012, 12:05 AM
I hope he's crying right now.

Billyen
06-09-2012, 12:35 AM
http://www.vucommodores.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html

1-5 W/L 4.52ERA 71.2IP 78H 32BB 68K

That is the best thing i've seen all year! Thanks.

Toxeryll
06-09-2012, 01:06 AM
http://www.vucommodores.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html

1-5 W/L 4.52ERA 71.2IP 78H 32BB 68K

lol i hope hes another Eliopoulus

jaysfan46
06-09-2012, 01:26 AM
Should Nay and DeJong be relatively easy signs?

Toxeryll
06-09-2012, 01:46 AM
Should Nay and DeJong be relatively easy signs?

Dejong should be overslot, Nay should be around the slot. i think they can get it done.

es0terik
06-09-2012, 02:50 AM
-bumped-

BlueJayFanDan
06-09-2012, 05:27 AM
I may just be optimistic, but I think everyone in the first 10 rounds will sign. I felt Alford was the toughest sign, and he has agreed to a deal. Only other one I could see being an issue is Nay, but I really think he will sign.

Sanyo
06-09-2012, 06:40 AM
It would be absolutely dirty if a guy like Alex Azor ended up actually being a productive major leaguer (doubt it, but one of these guys will eventually turn out to be a feel good story...)

Sanyo
06-09-2012, 06:42 AM
Ha beede should have signed, lost millions being stupid

whoever advised beede not to take the money should be swimming with the fishies in the east river ...

13Lawrie13
06-09-2012, 08:13 AM
It would be absolutely dirty if a guy like Alex Azor ended up actually being a productive major leaguer (doubt it, but one of these guys will eventually turn out to be a feel good story...)

Yeah, this.

I can't wait until one of these 4-digit seniors turns out to be a productive major leaguer.

blujaysrock
06-09-2012, 08:22 AM
whoever advised beede not to take the money should be swimming with the fishies in the east river ...

But he'd feel creepy walking around campus as a mid-late 20's millionaire. :laugh2:

blujaysrock
06-09-2012, 08:23 AM
Yeah, this.

I can't wait until one of these 4-digit seniors turns out to be a productive major leaguer.

I'm sure one of them will turn out that way. These guys have nothing to lose as they obviously aren't doing it for the money. They'll just go out there, compete and have fun and that's usually when you play your best.

JaysFan87
06-09-2012, 10:34 AM
Anthony Alford Jr. ‏@anthonyalfordjr


Florida, here I come

-Twitter

Sanyo
06-09-2012, 01:18 PM
But he'd feel creepy walking around campus as a mid-late 20's millionaire. :laugh2:

Meh at $2.5 million he could live a nice lifestyle, even if he never made it to the Majors. And he could have asked to kick in a free education like some others do with their signings -- now with the new rules and his doing poorly, if he keeps it up he'll be lucky to get a $1000 now...

Krylian
06-09-2012, 01:46 PM
Meh at $2.5 million he could live a nice lifestyle, even if he never made it to the Majors. And he could have asked to kick in a free education like some others do with their signings -- now with the new rules and his doing poorly, if he keeps it up he'll be lucky to get a $1000 now...

I still think he'll be a 1st rounder.

DeRozan10
06-09-2012, 02:06 PM
Apparently Callis was on the fan590 a little earlier to talk jays draft ...

if anyone can post a link of the audio or give a little rundown that would be amazing!!

fatkev78
06-09-2012, 02:18 PM
^ he didn't really say anything we don't already know, but he did call Stroman the steal of the draft.

DeRozan10
06-09-2012, 02:46 PM
^ he didn't really say anything we don't already know, but he did call Stroman the steal of the draft.

Ya he's super high on Stroman.

ChongInc.
06-09-2012, 02:54 PM
Ya he's super high on Stroman.

Banging Stroman strait into his blood stream.

Dol-Fan
06-09-2012, 03:11 PM
^ he didn't really say anything we don't already know, but he did call Stroman the steal of the draft.

Yeah, it was pretty basic, but the questions weren't great either.

D.J. Davis is fast, Blue Jays were looking at him all along
Stroman steal of the draft

They then started talking about the new draft rules. I stopped listening because it was just recapping old info.

es0terik
06-09-2012, 03:32 PM
^ he didn't really say anything we don't already know, but he did call Stroman the steal of the draft.

Then he lied because in his chat he said Lance McCullers and Tanner Rahier were the steals of the draft.

Krylian
06-09-2012, 03:43 PM
20th rounder Dennis Jones says he's on his way to Dunedin to join the Jays camp, sihn, and play for Bluefield. This per an interview with him on a pay site.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-09-2012, 05:21 PM
Thank god Beeded would've turned into another Deck McGuire chump

wings
06-09-2012, 09:02 PM
Here's a compiled list on twitter of many our draftees Twitter feeds.
Sounds like shortstops Trey Pascazi and Jorge Flores and catchers John Silviano and Daniel Klein have signed and Nay is close. Zak Wasilewski as well but I think we already knew that

Maybe Colton Turner as he says he is all moved out his apartment and Florida bound

https://twitter.com/#!/iainsut/blue-jays-2012-draft/members

es0terik
06-09-2012, 09:22 PM
Here's a compiled list on twitter of many our draftees Twitter feeds.
Sounds like shortstops Trey Pascazi and Jorge Flores and catchers John Silviano and Daniel Klein have signed and Nay is close. Zak Wasilewski as well but I think we already knew that

Maybe Colton Turner as he says he is all moved out his apartment and Florida bound

https://twitter.com/#!/iainsut/blue-jays-2012-draft/members

Really great stuff, thanks a LOT man. :clap:

wings
06-09-2012, 09:28 PM
Really great stuff, thanks a LOT man. :clap:

Don't want to take credit for compiling the list; I just came across it in twitter.

es0terik
06-09-2012, 10:02 PM
Don't want to take credit for compiling the list; I just came across it in twitter.

I know that, it's still nice that you posted it because most people aren't going to come across this on their own :)

es0terik
06-09-2012, 10:02 PM
Trey Pascazi ‏@livinItBig7
Can't wait to start my career with #bluejays


Daniel Klein ‏@Kleinsteiger
Thank you everyone for the support! I am now a Toronto Blue Jay and couldn't be more excited.


Zak Wasilewski ‏@WASZE
Last time I'll be sleeping in my bed for a while:( but it's time to start my life!! #baseballislife #baseballswag


Silviano @JohnSilviano
Professional Baseball player with the Toronto Bluejays. Trying to make my Dreams a Reality.


Matt Pagnozzi ‏@MattPagnozzi
@jflow2222 hey bro congrats on signing, now your not semi-pro! #CAC

Jorge Flores ‏@jflow2222
@MattPagnozzi thanks man I appreciate that !! And hahahaha I know not anymore!

Caught red-handed.

Sanyo
06-10-2012, 06:37 AM
As long as the Jays can sign Smoral, Stromen and Davis I'll be happy.

Bigred91
06-10-2012, 09:28 AM
As long as the Jays can sign Smoral, Stromen and Davis I'll be happy.

Yeah, I haven't really heard anything about Davis and Stroman.

Monkefied
06-10-2012, 11:37 AM
Just a thought;

If other teams are leaving first to fourth round talent on the board because of signability issues and also cap, then given the money is there, I think drafting all high ceiling high bonus players through all forty rounds of the draft, and incurring the money penalty and the two 1st round pick penalty would actually make a whole lot of sense.

Draft high ceiling HS players sign thirty of them incur the penalties but still get a ton of great talent.

Instead of picking 2-4 high ceiling players and then 6 college seniors. In order to stay under the signing cap.

Just a though.

bomber0104
06-10-2012, 01:08 PM
Just a thought;

If other teams are leaving first to fourth round talent on the board because of signability issues and also cap, then given the money is there, I think drafting all high ceiling high bonus players through all forty rounds of the draft, and incurring the money penalty and the two 1st round pick penalty would actually make a whole lot of sense.

Draft high ceiling HS players sign thirty of them incur the penalties but still get a ton of great talent.

Instead of picking 2-4 high ceiling players and then 6 college seniors. In order to stay under the signing cap.

Just a though.

without 1st round picks, you budget will be even smaller next year

Monkefied
06-10-2012, 01:49 PM
without 1st round picks, you budget will be even smaller next year

If you resign yourself to pay the penalties, then who cares what your cap budget is, it is a moot point.

Toxeryll
06-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Just a thought;

If other teams are leaving first to fourth round talent on the board because of signability issues and also cap, then given the money is there, I think drafting all high ceiling high bonus players through all forty rounds of the draft, and incurring the money penalty and the two 1st round pick penalty would actually make a whole lot of sense.

Draft high ceiling HS players sign thirty of them incur the penalties but still get a ton of great talent.

Instead of picking 2-4 high ceiling players and then 6 college seniors. In order to stay under the signing cap.

Just a though.

not gonna happen with rogers, theyre cheap as hell

Krylian
06-10-2012, 02:03 PM
not gonna happen with rogers, theyre cheap as hell

Jays have been one of the hiest draft and IFA spenders wince AA took over. Calling Rogers cheap is fine...but there's no evidence to supoort that with the draft or IFA's...and that's what's being discussed here.

Toxeryll
06-10-2012, 02:13 PM
Jays have been one of the hiest draft and IFA spenders wince AA took over. Calling Rogers cheap is fine...but there's no evidence to supoort that with the draft or IFA's...and that's what's being discussed here.

lol look at what hes proposing. if we spend close to what we spent the last year's draft, rogers will be on hook for double that. i cant imagine rogers doing that. thats the point im trying to make.

Krylian
06-10-2012, 03:20 PM
lol look at what hes proposing. if we spend close to what we spent the last year's draft, rogers will be on hook for double that. i cant imagine rogers doing that. thats the point im trying to make.

I don't think any team will do that. I guess they're all cheap.

Toxeryll
06-10-2012, 03:37 PM
I don't think any team will do that. I guess they're all cheap.

rogers is easily one of the richest owners in the league.

es0terik
06-10-2012, 04:02 PM
This current discussion literally means nothing. You guys are wasting your time.

Krylian
06-10-2012, 04:12 PM
rogers is easily one of the richest owners in the league.

And they didn't get to that point by making dumb decisions.

Toxeryll
06-10-2012, 04:30 PM
23rd highest payroll by one of the richest owners in baseball. ya theyre not cheap

alistar
06-10-2012, 04:35 PM
23rd highest payroll by one of the richest owners in baseball. ya theyre not cheap

Right, I guess that's why Rogers and Paul Beeston gave Anthopoulos the funds to sign FA's like Lackey, Bay etc etc and he said no.

Krylian
06-10-2012, 04:36 PM
23rd highest payroll by one of the richest owners in baseball. ya theyre not cheap

Why are you unable to read?

Both for the draft and IFA's the Jays have been one of the highest spenders. This cannot be debated. It is fact. This is a draft thread. What is being proposed is draft related.

As I said in my first post, you can call them cheap but not regarding the draft and IFA's. You're just one of those people that want to fit a square peg into a round hole. The Major League roster is under funded...that's not what we're talking about here.

Lavy16
06-10-2012, 04:42 PM
Why are you unable to read?

Both for the draft and IFA's the Jays have been one of the highest spenders. This cannot be debated. It is fact. This is a draft thread. What is being proposed is draft related.

As I said in my first post, you can call them cheap but not regarding the draft and IFA's. You're just one of those people that want to fit a square peg into a round hole. The Major League roster is under funded...that's not what we're talking about here.

Is there anywhere to find how the Jays compare with others teams as far as draft signings and IFA's. I'm not doubting what you are saying, just curious to see the kind of money they have spent on IFAs

Toxeryll
06-10-2012, 04:42 PM
Why are you unable to read?

Both for the draft and IFA's the Jays have been one of the highest spenders. This cannot be debated. It is fact. This is a draft thread. What is being proposed is draft related.

As I said in my first post, you can call them cheap but not regarding the draft and IFA's. You're just one of those people that want to fit a square peg into a round hole. The Major League roster is under funded...that's not what we're talking about here.

haha sorry got carried away.. no need to get mad, its just a forum

es0terik
06-10-2012, 06:29 PM
haha sorry got carried away.. no need to get mad, its just a forum

Nothing in his post sounds like he's upset at all. You did the mature thing by admitting you were wrong, you didn't have to use "you mad" as a cop out.

Krylian
06-10-2012, 08:02 PM
Is there anywhere to find how the Jays compare with others teams as far as draft signings and IFA's. I'm not doubting what you are saying, just curious to see the kind of money they have spent on IFAs

Baseball America posts lists for both every year. They're likely in their archives.

Krylian
06-10-2012, 08:03 PM
haha sorry got carried away.. no need to get mad, its just a forum

Not angry at all. Just wanted to stress my point as it was missed the first time around.

nithanyo
06-11-2012, 07:54 AM
Right, I guess that's why Rogers and Paul Beeston gave Anthopoulos the funds to sign FA's like Lackey, Bay etc etc and he said no.

i dont kno if youre joking or being serious, but just incase you are I dont think thats true.

I dont think rogers gave us big money to sign a big name free agent since Frank Thomas back in 2006 and that was like 20 million. Even than Riccardi pulled some snake movements and benched Thomas so he doesnt get enough at bats for the option to kick in

We dont even kno how much AA put on Darvish. Rogers hasnt shown much financial commitment at the major league level in several years now

JaysFan87
06-11-2012, 08:04 AM
not gonna happen with rogers, theyre cheap as hell

Its about having money or not having money. But no team is going to just break the rules year over year and suffer the penalties.

StayOnBoard
06-11-2012, 08:33 AM
i dont kno if youre joking or being serious, but just incase you are I dont think thats true.

I dont think rogers gave us big money to sign a big name free agent since Frank Thomas back in 2006 and that was like 20 million. Even than Riccardi pulled some snake movements and benched Thomas so he doesnt get enough at bats for the option to kick in

We dont even kno how much AA put on Darvish. Rogers hasnt shown much financial commitment at the major league level in several years now

I don't have a link but I remember it being in an interview that Rogers asked him flat out if he "wanted to sign Bay or Lackey" and AA said no, they're not the players that fit with this ballclub at this time. I'll try to find the link, as right now I can't remember if it was a 3rd party source or if it was a direct interview with AA. I believe it was the latter....

Obviously worked out ok, but I admit I would have loved to sign Jason Bay at the time. He's been a huge, huge bust with the Mets though, so I guess I'm glad we didn't :)

EDIT:

Here's the closest thing I can find... but it says it was directly from AA - and that lines up with what I have read as well.


And Anthopoulos revealed that in his first off-season as GM, Beeston asked him what he needed – did he want to go after free-agents Jason Bay and John Lackey? His response was that it “didn’t make sense” given where the team was.

Source: http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/anthopoulos-goes-fishing-for-another-starter/article554716/?service=mobile