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B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-23-2012, 01:52 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
LeBron James received the most votes for the NBA's All-Defensive first-team. Serge Ibaka, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Tony Allen joined him.

Jessica Camerato ‏@JCameratoNBA
Garnett and Rondo named to #NBA All-Defensive Second Team with Deng, Chandler, Bryant

As an FYI, coaches voted on this.

justinnum1
05-23-2012, 01:53 PM
paul
allen
bron
ibaka
howard


Chandler gets second team

woj
LeBron James received the most votes for the NBA's All-Defensive first-team. Serge Ibaka, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Tony Allen joined him.

and boozer got a vote lol

JordansBulls
05-23-2012, 01:54 PM
This **** makes no sense. Chandler won DPOY and can't even get on First Team.:confused:

kntresistheheat
05-23-2012, 01:55 PM
The funny part is that Tyson was named DPOY but did not make it all first defensive! Lol!

Gram
05-23-2012, 01:55 PM
Lol Chandler.

pebloemer
05-23-2012, 01:55 PM
Surprised Iggy was omitted here.


The funny part is that Tyson was named DPOY but did not make it all first defensive! Lol!

Also, interesting point...

B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-23-2012, 01:56 PM
Westbrook got more votes than Thabo and Kobe made it over Iggy:laugh2:

John Hollinger ‏@johnhollinger
Also likely outsourced: the seven(!) votes for Westbrook. He finished ahead of Thabo.

black1605
05-23-2012, 01:56 PM
The funny part is that Tyson was named DPOY but did not make it all first defensive! Lol!

Yeah, that really doesn't make any sense.

Rivera
05-23-2012, 01:58 PM
How does chandler win DPOY but not make the nba all defense first team?

Avenged
05-23-2012, 01:59 PM
Damn, that sucks about Tyson.

Big Zo
05-23-2012, 01:59 PM
LeBron should have been DPOY.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
The is a ****ing joke. The NBA is a ****ing joke. **** the NBA. Andre Iguodala not making the team but Kobe's there again. **** the NBA this is utter garbage. I'm over this for real now.

flea
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
The Chandler 1st team snub and Iguodala snub altogether are stupid.

willabeast77
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Pretty much shows that Chandler should not have received DPOY. Good for LeBron getting the most votes. He should have been DPOY.

JasonJohnHorn
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
So Chandler wins the DPOY and doesn't make the first team? Or am I reading this wrong. It wouldnt be the first time this has happened... I think the same thing happened to Alvin Roberston in 86.

Iron24th
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Dwight instead of Chandler?
Loool

kdspurman
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Different voters than the DPOY voters...

2-ONE-5
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Where is Iggy? woooooow

B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-23-2012, 02:00 PM
Also, how the hell did Rondo get more votes than Bradley?:laugh2:

LTBaByyy
05-23-2012, 02:01 PM
This is a ****innnnn joke!!!!!

1) The defensive player of the year is on the second team, stop sucking up to Howard!

2) Iggy didn't make it?

3) Marion didn't make it?

A freaking joke.

Hawkeye15
05-23-2012, 02:01 PM
well, the teams continue to have a joke or two each year.

Chandler wins DPOY, doesn't make 1st team.

Kobe makes 2nd team over Iggy.

whatever. These teams produce a couple of jokes every year.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-23-2012, 02:01 PM
what a joke

Avenged
05-23-2012, 02:02 PM
The is a ****ing joke. The NBA is a ****ing joke. **** the NBA. Andre Iguodala not making the team but Kobe's there again. **** the NBA this is utter garbage. I'm over this for real now.

I read that Iggy was only considered at Forward, Kobe is a shooting guard. If that's true then point fingers at Deng or KG.

JasonJohnHorn
05-23-2012, 02:02 PM
How does chandler win DPOY but not make the nba all defense first team?

The media votes for one, coaches vote for the other. Media and coaches don't always agree... as I mentioned, the same thing happened in 86 to Alvin Robertson.

willabeast77
05-23-2012, 02:03 PM
Deng making it over Iguodala is questionable.

Avenged
05-23-2012, 02:03 PM
(Far more deserving) Andre Iguodala had more vote points (19) than Kobe (17) but was apparently only considered at forward.

Iggy got more votes than Kobe but they are listed at different positions.

JordansBulls
05-23-2012, 02:03 PM
1995 Mutombo was DPOY and Robinson made 1st team over him.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:06 PM
I honestly think in terms of the worst NBA teams selections this have been the worst. I mean seriously Kobe wasn't even better than Artest this season. The NBA award voting system is a ****ing joke. I really hope that a player can one day come out and say how big of a joke it is.

Longhornfan1234
05-23-2012, 02:06 PM
Kobe made the all defensive team.............................................. .

Slug3
05-23-2012, 02:08 PM
Why is Kobe still getting it ahead of more deserving players?

SaimuKala
05-23-2012, 02:08 PM
Kobe made the second team :laugh: :laugh:

Wade>You
05-23-2012, 02:08 PM
Another season that Wade doesn't make the all-defensive team. Some guys live purely off a reputation while others go out there every game and make things happen.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:09 PM
How does chandler win DPOY but not make the nba all defense first team?

Journalists made him DPOY
Coaches didnt think as highly of him

cheaptrikz
05-23-2012, 02:09 PM
did chandler bogus

Super.
05-23-2012, 02:10 PM
This list is dildos

Super.
05-23-2012, 02:10 PM
Another season that Wade doesn't make the all-defensive team. Some guys live purely off a reputation while others go out there every game and make things happen.

There are plenty of other guards that are far better on defense that Wade.

lakers24win
05-23-2012, 02:11 PM
Kobe shouldve made first team over Chris Paul. This list is a joke :mad:

JordansBulls
05-23-2012, 02:11 PM
Something no one is talking about is that Chris Paul made 1st team???

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-23-2012, 02:11 PM
Another season that Wade doesn't make the all-defensive team. Some guys live purely off a reputation while others go out there every game and make things happen.

wade is a lazy defender, dont let the blocked shots fool ya

xnick5757
05-23-2012, 02:13 PM
Something no one is talking about is that Chris Paul made 1st team???

:confused:

the only other candidates would be rondo or bradley - neither of them are as complete as CP3



bradley should have won it though

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:13 PM
I read that Iggy was only considered at Forward, Kobe is a shooting guard. If that's true then point fingers at Deng or KG.

My beef isn't with Kobe making it over Iggy you know. My beef is with Kobe making it PERIOD. He wasn't even the best defensive perimeter player on his team and he still got more votes than Artest. Among guards he wasn't even more deserving than Kyle Lowry, Thabo, Avery Bradley, Dwyane Wade, Iman Shumpert, etc etc

Baller1
05-23-2012, 02:14 PM
:laugh:

Kobe... How ****ing pathetic.

lakers24win
05-23-2012, 02:14 PM
My beef isn't with Kobe making it over Iggy you know. My beef is with Kobe making it PERIOD. He wasn't even the best defensive perimeter player on his team and he still got more votes than Artest. Among guards he wasn't even more deserving than Kyle Lowry, Thabo, Avery Bradley, Dwyane Wade, Iman Shumpert, etc etc

:laugh2:

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:15 PM
wade is a lazy defender, dont let the blocked shots fool ya

And Kobe was even more lazy than Wade this season.

JordansBulls
05-23-2012, 02:15 PM
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/05/23/nba-all-defensive-team-2011-2012/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:16 PM
and to be fair. Dwight had more blocks, steals, almost twice as many defensive rebounds, a better defensive win share%, and defensive rating than Chandler

justinnum1
05-23-2012, 02:18 PM
So, if coaches voted on DPOY, would lebron have won?

infernoscurse
05-23-2012, 02:18 PM
do these awards even matter? id be like man i make millions who cares

5ass
05-23-2012, 02:19 PM
Now they wake up and realize Howard is a better defensive player than Chandler? Like i said a million times before Howard should've had his 4th DPOY.

ManningToTyree
05-23-2012, 02:20 PM
lol how ridiculous.

heattiltheend94
05-23-2012, 02:20 PM
change howard for chandler, iggy over kobe, and then change paul for rondo.

dee279
05-23-2012, 02:21 PM
The NBA is looking so stupid. How can you be voted the best defensive player of the year but make it on the defensive 2ND team?! Thats like Lebron(MVP) making it on the All NBA 2nd team. That is a Joke. And Kobe over Iggy?! Really. This is just stupid.

Hustlenomics
05-23-2012, 02:21 PM
rondo should have made it first team over Paul for forcing all the top point guards to struggle against him this season

dee279
05-23-2012, 02:23 PM
So, if coaches voted on DPOY, would lebron have won?

I would believe so. And Dwight Howard would have probably came in 2nd.

Jint.
05-23-2012, 02:23 PM
stupid.. No Tyson..?!?!?!

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:24 PM
stupid.. No Tyson..?!?!?!

he shouldve played better

Carey
05-23-2012, 02:26 PM
I think Bradley should have made first team, Iggy definetely at least 2nd team, an argument can be made for Marion on the 2nd team. I'd argue Thabo as well but he missed too many games.

JordansBulls
05-23-2012, 02:26 PM
So, if coaches voted on DPOY, would lebron have won?

Probably so. But it reminds of 1993 when MJ finished 2nd in the voting for the media but 1st in the coaches, but Hakeem won the award, which I have no problem with.

dee279
05-23-2012, 02:28 PM
The media should not be allowed to vote. The coaches fcked it up too but they did a better job then the media voting for Tyson Chandler being DPOY. NY and all its hype with the media always hyping up certain players.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:29 PM
Okay instead of ***ing I'd give my D teams instead.

G- Avery Bradley
G- Tony Allen
F- LeBron James (Iggy was way better individually but LeBron's overall worth to his team should not be overlooked tho Iggy is my favourite player in the league)
F- Kevin Garnett
C- Tyson Chandler

G- Ricky Rubio (if you're going to say he was too injured then Paul, Rondo, Holiday etc would all be in the running)
G- Thabo Sefolosha
F- Andre Iguodala
F- TAJ GIBSON
C- Dwight Howard

Hustlenomics
05-23-2012, 02:29 PM
kg's defense is underrated

Chronz
05-23-2012, 02:30 PM
Iggy got more votes than Kobe but they are listed at different positions.

That makes no sense, they have ignored this rule before to field the best possible team. Iggy should have been a first teamer.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:31 PM
Okay instead of ***ing I'd give my D teams instead.

G- Avery Bradley
G- Tony Allen
F- LeBron James (Iggy was way better individually but LeBron's overall worth to his team should not be overlooked tho Iggy is my favourite player in the league)
F- Kevin Garnett
C- Tyson Chandler

G- Ricky Rubio (if you're going to say he was too injured then Paul, Rondo, Holiday etc would all be in the running)
G- Thabo Sefolosha
F- Andre Iguodala
F- TAJ GIBSON
C- Dwight Howard

Damn...ricky can play D? i wouldnt have thought him to be much on Defense.

dnewguy
05-23-2012, 02:32 PM
Pure joke....what defense does Kobe play again? Like Durrant dropping 4th quarter point on him/Westbrook dominating him kind of defense? So let me get this straight, Wade is the best shot blocking guard in NBA history but somehow he's not good enough to ever be on the 1st or 2nd best defense team? So many haters....keep honoring Kobe, we had enough already.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:32 PM
Dwight Howard over Tyson really isn't THAT big of a deal since Dwight is indeed the better defensive player than Tyson. I believe individual D is more rewarded in All Team D selections than it is in DPOY selection. Individually Dwight is better than Tyson and I think everyone of us could admit that. However Tyson deserved the DPOY because of the impact he had on such a piss poor defensive team.

davids22
05-23-2012, 02:33 PM
I like how everyone is an expert on these boards when it was the coaches who voted on these teams. They clearly known something we all don't. Quit whining about Chandler. The media voted him DPOY. The Coaches voted him 2nd team.

kmo429
05-23-2012, 02:33 PM
Pretty much shows that Chandler should not have received DPOY. Good for LeBron getting the most votes. He should have been DPOY.

Um no, not at all. This says more about Tyson being underappreciated than being overrated. He deserved the DPOY and should have been on the 1st team, easily

Chronz
05-23-2012, 02:33 PM
kg's defense is underrated

He shouldve made it, I dont even think the coaches do these, they prolly hand them off to their assistants.

dee279
05-23-2012, 02:33 PM
I think they need to find a better solution when selecting players for awards. Theyre is no way in hell the voted defensive player of the year should be voted on the defensive 2nd team. There is no logical explanation behind that other then someone fcked up.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:34 PM
Damn...ricky can play D? i wouldnt have thought him to be much on Defense.

Rubio was the Wolves best defensive player this season and when he was on the floor they were actually a respectable team defensively. That says A LOT when you consider he was a PG guarding bigger/stronger SGs a lot of the time. He deserves his recognition.

Hawkeye15
05-23-2012, 02:35 PM
kg's defense is underrated

at this stage of his career, yes it is. I don't think he is a 1st team defender, but I wouldn't have a gripe if he made it. He is still capable of having a major effect on the outcome of games with his defense.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:35 PM
Um no, not at all. This says more about Tyson being underappreciated than being overrated. He deserved the DPOY and should have been on the 1st team, easily

based off what?

Hawkeye15
05-23-2012, 02:36 PM
Damn...ricky can play D? i wouldnt have thought him to be much on Defense.

That was his huge worth. Hollinger had him 2nd team as well. Rubio is a very, very good defender, and may end up being one of the top perimeter defensive players over the next decade if his knee is 100%.

Raph12
05-23-2012, 02:36 PM
Everyone asking why Tyson didn't get in over Dwight for the first team needs to understand, the media votes for the awards, while the coaches for for the All-NBA teams... The coaches value Dwight's defense more than Tyson's and rightfully so.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:36 PM
Rubio was the Wolves best defensive player this season and when he was on the floor they were actually a respectable team defensively. That says A LOT when you consider he was a PG guarding bigger/stronger SGs a lot of the time. He deserves his recognition.

probably cuz when they played us it was still early in the season when he was coming off the bench.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:38 PM
IMO Kevin Garnett is still the cream of the crop of PFs when it comes to defense. I'm a huge Ibaka fan but Garnett should have made the first team ahead of him.

MintBerryCrunch
05-23-2012, 02:38 PM
Kobe best defensive player of all time

Gators123
05-23-2012, 02:38 PM
Boozer received a vote for the all-defensive 2nd team :pity:

Hawkeye15
05-23-2012, 02:39 PM
probably cuz when they played us it was still early in the season when he was coming off the bench.

On top of that, Chalmers doesn't do much, and Rubio would struggle trying to guard Wade, especially that early in the season. But yes, he turned into by far and away our best defender, and a disruptive defender this year. He will be a league leader in steals, charges taken, and deflections for years to come. He pressures the ball well, and gets dribble drivers to turn, turn, turn, so his bigs don't ever have guards coming straight at them.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:40 PM
On top of that, Chalmers doesn't do much, and Rubio would struggle trying to guard Wade, especially that early in the season. But yes, he turned into by far and away our best defender, and a disruptive defender this year. He will be a league leader in steals, charges taken, and deflections for years to come. He pressures the ball well, and gets dribble drivers to turn, turn, turn, so his bigs don't ever have guards coming straight at them.

i dont know about all that taking charges stuff, he doesnt look like the sturdiest young man in the world.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:41 PM
Everyone asking why Tyson didn't get in over Dwight for the first team needs to understand, the media votes for the awards, while the coaches for for the All-NBA teams... The coaches value Dwight's defense more than Tyson's and rightfully so.

Honestly. I don't give a flying **** about what the coaches value.

CARLOS BOOZER got a All-Defensive Team vote while Taj Gibson didn't one. Don't make it seem as if the coaches voting is any better.

Hawkeye15
05-23-2012, 02:42 PM
IMO Kevin Garnett is still the cream of the crop of PFs when it comes to defense. I'm a huge Ibaka fan but Garnett should have made the first team ahead of him.

I agree. Obviously bringing up one player, my guy, but Love shredded OKC for nearly 37 ppg in 2 games, but couldn't do **** against KG, who clamped him down and made him shoot in uncomfortable areas.

Hawkeye15
05-23-2012, 02:43 PM
i dont know about all that taking charges stuff, he doesnt look like the sturdiest young man in the world.

at the time he went down, he was top 3 in the NBA in steals and charges taken I believe.

Cal827
05-23-2012, 02:43 PM
Such a fail by the NBA... Chandler won it and is on the second team :pity:

Rain City
05-23-2012, 02:43 PM
The is a ****ing joke. The NBA is a ****ing joke. **** the NBA. Andre Iguodala not making the team but Kobe's there again. **** the NBA this is utter garbage. I'm over this for real now.

i feel you, i wouldnt say the league is a joke but the nba awards sure are, but think about it, the media are voters and they have all kinds of agendas in who they want to recognize.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:44 PM
at the time he went down, he was top 3 in the NBA in steals and charges taken.


naw, what i mean is he might not want to take that approach. he doesnt have alot of meat on him and he IS the point gaurd

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:46 PM
i feel you, i wouldnt say the league is a joke but the nba awards sure are, but think about it, the media are voters and they have all kinds of agendas in who they want to recognize.

Well that's cool but the Media aren't the ones choosing NBA teams.

Hawkeye15
05-23-2012, 02:47 PM
naw, what i mean is he might not want to take that approach. he doesnt have alot of meat on him and he IS the point gaurd

He doesn't take the mow you over ones. He is basically always in your personal space, so he creates a lot of pushoffs, and constantly beats guys to spots, so he draws them on picks, etc. Just an irritating defender who pisses people off, so he draws contact. And he has the hair dude. The hair. That is how you sell it :)

meloman1592
05-23-2012, 02:47 PM
How the **** did Chandler not make 1st team????? And Kobe made 2nd team over iggy and Shump? FOH

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:48 PM
naw, what i mean is he might not want to take that approach. he doesnt have alot of meat on him and he IS the point gaurd

Not having a lot of meat on you really doesn't mean anything. One if the greatest perimeter defenders of all time Michael Cooper was even skinner than Rubio.

Rubio is going to bulk up as the years go by however.

Korman12
05-23-2012, 02:50 PM
The defensive-teams are now as believable as Gold Glove awards in baseball. Coaches are horribly non-objective, rarely acknowledge players who aren't well-known names. I don't ever trust this award, and never will again.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:51 PM
Not having a lot of meat on you really doesn't mean anything. One if the greatest perimeter defenders of all time Michael Cooper was even skinner than Rubio.

Rubio is going to bulk up as the years go by however.

i didnt mean defense. i meant soley taking charges. ive seen plenty players get injured taking charges like q-rich when he was down here. but like hawk said, its more perimeter d than anything. i just hadnt seen him play all that much.

5ass
05-23-2012, 02:52 PM
Such a fail by the NBA... Chandler won it and is on the second team :pity:

the media voted for chandler, they didnt want to write a 4th Dwight for DPOY article. Chandler would make for a better story.

still1ballin
05-23-2012, 02:52 PM
Kobe ftw :dance:

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:52 PM
i didnt mean defense. i meant soley taking charges. ive seen plenty players get injured taking charges like q-rich when he was down here. but like hawk said, its more perimeter d than anything. i just hadnt seen him play all that much.

My bad. :laugh2: I understand your point.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 02:53 PM
Kobe ftw :dance:

im with you, these people just dont value the stopping power of a good hard stare.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 02:54 PM
the media voted for chandler, they didnt want to write a 4th Dwight for DPOY article. Chandler would make for a better story.

And Chandler was also more deserving of the DPOY (going by historical voting) than Dwight. Dwight however is better defensively than Tyson is so its the reason why he made the first team over Ty.

Raph12
05-23-2012, 02:54 PM
Honestly. I don't give a flying **** about what the coaches value.

CARLOS BOOZER got a All-Defensive Team vote while Taj Gibson didn't one. Don't make it seem as if the coaches voting is any better.

Any voting system will be flawed, there will never be a system where there won't be debate about the winners... You have to take it for what it is.

PS: My post was not meant to justify the winners, but to point out that Dwight over Tyson isn't farfetched even in the slightest. Dwight is revered by most of the players and coaches as the best defensive force in the league, and deservedly so.

5ass
05-23-2012, 02:54 PM
And Chandler was also more deserving of the DPOY (going by historical voting) than Dwight. Dwight however is better defensively than Tyson is so its the reason why he made the first team over Ty.

so ur saying the better defensive player didnt deserve to win the DPOY? What do u mean historical voting? please explain.

still1ballin
05-23-2012, 02:56 PM
Kobe bryant!!! well deserved!! :clap:

QueensG
05-23-2012, 02:59 PM
im getting fed up with the NBA...rigging going on everywhere..how the **** didn't Chandler make the first team when he won dpoy?! wow

Korman12
05-23-2012, 03:02 PM
I like how everyone is an expert on these boards when it was the coaches who voted on these teams. They clearly known something we all don't. Quit whining about Chandler. The media voted him DPOY. The Coaches voted him 2nd team.

That logic sucks. That's simply giving them the benefit of the doubt because they're professional's than they must know better than the media etc.

It's the same thing as Gold Glove awards. Coaches recognize those who are known for supposed defensive prowess, but often over-reward it. Derek Jeter, who won in 2010, despite being a below-average defender, continually got recognized because of his name; a comparable example to Kobe, who keeps getting in because of his reputation.

The fact is that coaches aren't objective personas, and aren't paid to be. When they're asked to vote on awards like this, they aren't studying defensive analyses, the media is.

Punk
05-23-2012, 03:06 PM
This **** makes no sense. Chandler won DPOY and can't even get on First Team.:confused:

Exactly. Makes no damn sense. They just want to give Howard another achievement.

What's the big deal with Howard in the 2nd team and Chandler in the 1st? The facts are that Chandler made his team better defensively than Howard's team THIS year. So why give Howard 1st team because he's a better defender.

macc
05-23-2012, 03:08 PM
This **** makes no sense. Chandler won DPOY and can't even get on First Team.:confused:



The same thing happened with David Robinson. One year he was DPOY and didn't make the first team.

Chronz
05-23-2012, 03:11 PM
Why are you guys discussing a clearly debatable position (Chandler vs Dwight), the only real injustice is Iggy being behind CP3/Kobe

Its obvious they just wanted to keep Kobe on there for historical purposes.

VCaintdead17
05-23-2012, 03:12 PM
Lol Kobe got on there.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 03:13 PM
so ur saying the better defensive player didnt deserve to win the DPOY? What do u mean historical voting? please explain.

Every DPOY with the exception of Alvin Robertson and Marcus Camby (played for the team that really didn't have a defensive philosophy) has played for a team that has ranked in the top 10 in defense.

The Magic were not. In the upper 3rd this season. Of the 30 DPOY awards only two of the winners have played for a team not ranked in the top 10 in defense. The Magic weren't even in the upper third this season. Historically that has been the precedent which has been set.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 03:16 PM
Exactly. Makes no damn sense. They just want to give Howard another achievement.

What's the big deal with Howard in the 2nd team and Chandler in the 1st? The facts are that Chandler made his team better defensively than Howard's team THIS year. So why give Howard 1st team because he's a better defender.

because dwight played better D.

Just because chandlers team sucked at D last year doesnt mean he outplayed Dwight defensively. Dwight was better in every defensive category.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-23-2012, 03:17 PM
Ty is on the second team?

No Bradley? No Shumpert?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-23-2012, 03:19 PM
because dwight played better D.

Just because chandlers team sucked at D last year doesnt mean he outplayed Dwight defensively. Dwight was better in every defensive category.

Dwight played better D then the DPOY...
Knicks sucked on D, means Chandler didnt play better D
Dwight was better in every defensive category...

Then why didn't Dwight win the DPOY?

smiddy012
05-23-2012, 03:19 PM
Boozer received a vote for the all-defensive 2nd team :pity:

I'd pay money to know which coach voted for Boozer... cuz it had to be a joke.

kozelkid
05-23-2012, 03:19 PM
The is a ****ing joke. The NBA is a ****ing joke. **** the NBA. Andre Iguodala not making the team but Kobe's there again. **** the NBA this is utter garbage. I'm over this for real now.

You must not watch baseball. MLB's gold gloves is even worse.

But ya, this is ********. I love how Boozer has received a vote. :laugh:

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 03:21 PM
Any voting system will be flawed, there will never be a system where there won't be debate about the winners... You have to take it for what it is.

Dude I agree. I've always been someone who defends the voting in the NBA with this very definition but c'mon dude anyone can admit that this voting system loses even more credibility (the last thing they could afford to do) by giving CARLOS BOOZER a second team vote.


PS: My post was not meant to justify the winners, but to point out that Dwight over Tyson isn't farfetched even in the slightest. Dwight is revered by most of the players and coaches as the best defensive force in the league, and deservedly so.

I've already agreed to this and give my reasons why.

5ass
05-23-2012, 03:24 PM
Every DPOY with the exception of Alvin Robertson and Marcus Camby (played for the team that really didn't have a defensive philosophy) has played for a team that has ranked in the top 10 in defense.

The Magic were not. In the upper 3rd this season. Of the 30 DPOY awards only two of the winners have played for a team not ranked in the top 10 in defense. The Magic weren't even in the upper third this season. Historically that has been the precedent which has been set.

I see, but they were like 7-9th defensively before Howard stopped playing. They were so bad without dwight, they had a much worse opponent FG% than the worst in NBA history.

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2012, 03:25 PM
The is a ****ing joke. The NBA is a ****ing joke. **** the NBA. Andre Iguodala not making the team but Kobe's there again. **** the NBA this is utter garbage. I'm over this for real now.

Isn't iggy a sf?

UPRock
05-23-2012, 03:25 PM
WTF is Kobe doing there, SMH.

kozelkid
05-23-2012, 03:25 PM
You know what, I'm gonna take the glass half full approach. At least Tony Allen made it over Kobe for first team as opposed to last season.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-23-2012, 03:26 PM
Okay instead of ***ing I'd give my D teams instead.

G- Avery Bradley
G- Tony Allen
F- LeBron James (Iggy was way better individually but LeBron's overall worth to his team should not be overlooked tho Iggy is my favourite player in the league)
F- Kevin Garnett
C- Tyson Chandler

G- Ricky Rubio (if you're going to say he was too injured then Paul, Rondo, Holiday etc would all be in the running)
G- Thabo Sefolosha
F- Andre Iguodala
F- TAJ GIBSON
C- Dwight Howard

This is such a perfect list.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 03:26 PM
You must not watch baseball. MLB's gold gloves is even worse.

But ya, this is ********. I love how Boozer has received a vote. :laugh:

Trust me I do and always say that as bad as the NBA's is its not as bad and the MLB's but with Boozer getting a vote is absolutely ridiculous. I mean how much more underappreciation can Taj Gibson get.

That coach that gave Boozer a second team vote should have his voting privileges taken back with immediate effect. A blind uni-cycling elephant in a circus in Malaysia could see that Carlos Boozer shouldn't EVER be a part of the All-Defensive Team ballots.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 03:28 PM
I see, but they were like 7-9th defensively before Howard stopped playing. They were so bad without dwight, they had a much worse opponent FG% than the worst in NBA history.

Actually I think you could be wrong on that one. I remembered routinely checking the ranks (to see where my 76ers ranked) and I remember that even when Dwight was playing the Magic weren't in the top 10.

Hawkeye15
05-23-2012, 03:29 PM
Swashcuff, didn't you say you were done 5 pages ago hahaha.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 03:29 PM
Isn't iggy a sf?

Like I said before my beef isn't with Kobe over Iggy. My beef the fact that Kobe didn't deserve to be anywhere near there and Iggy deserved to make at least the 2nd team.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 03:31 PM
Swashcuff, didn't you say you were done 5 pages ago hahaha.

Hahahaha.... :hide:

5ass
05-23-2012, 03:33 PM
Actually I think you could be wrong on that one. I remembered routinely checking the ranks (to see where my 76ers ranked) and I remember that even when Dwight was playing the Magic weren't in the top 10.

not sure where or if its possible to get that information, but i was saying they're 7th-9th in defensive efficiency not opp fg%. I was just referring to that because i remember reading an article saying they let opposing teams shoot like 50% as opposed to 43% when howard was healthy.

Swashcuff
05-23-2012, 03:42 PM
not sure where or if its possible to get that information, but i was saying they're 7th-9th in defensive efficiency not opp fg%. I was just referring to that because i remember reading an article saying they let opposing teams shoot like 50% as opposed to 43% when howard was healthy.

Yeah that's what I was talking about as well. IMO if we're going based on stats and defensive reputation/ability/impact/etc Dwight is better than Tyson Chandler but that doesn't mean he's always going to win the award at least according to the trend of voting in which we have seen throughout league history and not the fact that Tyson winning would make for the better story.

kozelkid
05-23-2012, 03:43 PM
Trust me I do and always say that as bad as the NBA's is its not as bad and the MLB's but with Boozer getting a vote is absolutely ridiculous. I mean how much more underappreciation can Taj Gibson get.

That coach that gave Boozer a second team vote should have his voting privileges taken back with immediate effect. A blind uni-cycling elephant in a circus in Malaysia could see that Carlos Boozer shouldn't EVER be a part of the All-Defensive Team ballots.

I'm convinced the coach who voted for Boozer has a great sense of humor.

Honestly, I agree with your assessment as far as the "power foward" spots go. KG (1st) with Taj on the second team. I'd also move Iggy to the guard position so Deng makes it on second. :D

By the way, Paul has no business on either team. He's starting to become very overrated on that end. He's good, but dude has struggled WAY too often against some of the top point guards (Deron, Rose, Parker).

justinnum1
05-23-2012, 03:53 PM
booz got a vote and taj didn't? lol

ManRam
05-23-2012, 03:54 PM
No Iggy :(

sixers247
05-23-2012, 03:54 PM
Kobe obvioulsy should make it. He doesn't pass the ball so he severly limits his teammates offense....see what i did here :rimshot:

ManRam
05-23-2012, 03:59 PM
Yeah. They need to stop putting Kobe on these teams. It's no different than Derek Jeter still winning gold gloves. Granted, Kobe still plays good defense, but he's not one of the 10 best, not even close.

The coaches vote for this, right? Hell, I bet most of them don't even fill it out themselves. I'd rather the media handle this as well...

DaLyingofJungl3
05-23-2012, 04:02 PM
Like I said before my beef isn't with Kobe over Iggy. My beef the fact that Kobe didn't deserve to be anywhere near there and Iggy deserved to make at least the 2nd team.

yea & Iggy guards 1-4 Position


booz got a vote and taj didn't? lol
thats pathetic

colinskik
05-23-2012, 04:10 PM
Iggy really got screwed in the bum on this one.

And I want to hear an explanation from either Stern or coaches as to why the DPOY isn't on the first team.

Lakers + Giants
05-23-2012, 04:14 PM
Kobe 2nd team? Didn't deserve it.

ManRam
05-23-2012, 04:14 PM
Iggy really got screwed in the bum on this one.

And I want to hear an explanation from either Stern or coaches as to why the DPOY isn't on the first team.

Why is everything Stern's fault? ;) He's got no control over either of these voting processes.

It's simple why there's that obvious inconsistency: different parties voting. Coaches vote for this, media votes for DPOY. They think differently, and have no obligation to collude.

Heatcheck
05-23-2012, 04:15 PM
Dwight played better D then the DPOY...
Knicks sucked on D, means Chandler didnt play better D
Dwight was better in every defensive category...

Then why didn't Dwight win the DPOY?

Like i said before, howard had more blocks, steals, TWICE as many defensive boards, a higher defensive win share%, a higher Defensive rating, and without him his team is equally as crappy defensively, if not more than the knicks.

Youll have to ask the journalists why they picked chandler over howard.

kozelkid
05-23-2012, 04:15 PM
Iggy really got screwed in the bum on this one.

And I want to hear an explanation from either Stern or coaches as to why the DPOY isn't on the first team.

Media votes for defensive player of the year and coaches vote for teams.

colinskik
05-23-2012, 04:19 PM
Why is everything Stern's fault? ;) He's got no control over either of these voting processes.

It's simple why there's that obvious inconsistency: different parties voting. Coaches vote for this, media votes for DPOY. They think differently, and have no obligation to collude.
Did I say it was Stern's fault or anyone's fault for that matter? Read more carefully next time.

Stern in the commish, and as such he should answer any and all questions dealing with inconsistencies.

I can't truly believe that coaches and the basketball-covering media differ that greatly on who was the best defensive C this year.

smiddy012
05-23-2012, 04:21 PM
Like i said before, howard had more blocks, steals, TWICE as many defensive boards, a higher defensive win share%, a higher Defensive rating, and without him his team is equally as crappy defensively, if not more than the knicks.

Youll have to ask the journalists why they picked chandler over howard.

Howard's a dick-head, Chandler isn't. Ditto.

basketfan4life
05-23-2012, 04:39 PM
i watched almost every lakers game this year and Kobe was nowhere near the All-defensive team...

That being said, and the people who *****es about Kobe being selected, i wonder how many of you actually watched lakers games to come to a conclusion, a lot of you are going by common knowledge.

Raph12
05-23-2012, 04:39 PM
Howard's a dick-head, Chandler isn't. Ditto.

That "dick-head" was a better player as a rookie than Tyson ever was or will be... The Knicks management would do unspeakable things to get that "dick-head" on their crappy team.

KingPosey
05-23-2012, 04:44 PM
So Chandler wins the DPOY and doesn't make the first team? Or am I reading this wrong. It wouldnt be the first time this has happened... I think the same thing happened to Alvin Roberston in 86.

You just happened to sorta remember the 86 DPOY scandal, or you checked this on google after it came up lol?

ManRam
05-23-2012, 04:52 PM
Did I say it was Stern's fault or anyone's fault for that matter? Read more carefully next time.

Stern in the commish, and as such he should answer any and all questions dealing with inconsistencies.

I can't truly believe that coaches and the basketball-covering media differ that greatly on who was the best defensive C this year.

I threw a wink, insinuating my comment was a bit light-hearted. I didn't say you said it's his fault...merely just making a harmless joke about how everything comes back to him.

However,

It's not an inconsistency that needs explaining...whether it be from him, the coahces or the media. These are two different accolades/awards handed out by two completely different parties. They're not always going to line up. It's not an atrocity, far from it...if anything it just says what so many people assumed: how narrow the gap is at top. There is really no reason to say that just because someone won DPOY they HAVE to be on the first team...especially since, again, they are completely unrelated awards/honors.

Do you get upset when the Golden Globes and the Oscars differ? It's no different than that really. Just two different voting parties...

topdog
05-23-2012, 05:13 PM
It's not an inconsistency that needs explaining...whether it be from him, the coahces or the media. These are two different accolades/awards handed out by two completely different parties. They're not always going to line up. It's not an atrocity, far from it...if anything it just says what so many people assumed: how narrow the gap is at top. There is really no reason to say that just because someone won DPOY they HAVE to be on the first team...especially since, again, they are completely unrelated awards/honors.

Do you get upset when the Golden Globes and the Oscars differ? It's no different than that really. Just two different voting parties...

We also must remember the voting format. DPOY ask you to rate players regardless of position while NBA 1st Team has you pick players by position meaning Chandler was the most agreed upon top defensive force in DPOY while some voters favored a SF named Lebron and others split votes on Howard. Further, coaches are less inclined to factor in the drama surrounding Howard vs. the media which can't get away from it.

Regardless, Chandler deserved the award for the collective worth of his defense he has shown over the last 2 years.

Chronz
05-23-2012, 05:18 PM
Isn't iggy a sf?

Wasnt Noah a Center?

PatsSoxKnicks
05-23-2012, 05:27 PM
What a lot of fail on these selections. Kobe on 2nd team? Seriously? He shouldn't have even sniffed 2nd team. But I'm sure all the Kobephiles are happy LOL. Iggy doesn't make it? wtf? Ibaka on 1st team over KG? Wrong. Carlos Boozer gets a vote? LMAO. Westbrook gets more votes than Thabo :laugh:

NoahH
05-23-2012, 05:47 PM
Someone explain how Chandler won but made second team

DoMeFavors
05-23-2012, 05:51 PM
LMFAO Tyson Chandler is the worst DPOY of all time, couldnt even make 1st team..shows that NYs media is biased. This is why the league sucks.

Blitzbolt
05-23-2012, 05:56 PM
Last year Kobe got first team over Tony Allen I'm just glad the coaches didn't screw him(Allen)again.

Longhornfan1234
05-23-2012, 06:04 PM
What a lot of fail on these selections. Kobe on 2nd team? Seriously? He shouldn't have even sniffed 2nd team. But I'm sure all the Kobephiles are happy LOL. Iggy doesn't make it? wtf? Ibaka on 1st team over KG? Wrong. Carlos Boozer gets a vote? LMAO. Westbrook gets more votes than Thabo :laugh:

:facepalm:


You're an idiot. Who should be picked over Kobe?


Bradley? Did not play enough games.


Shumpert? Not enough minutes.


Thabo? Hurt most of the season.


Wade? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Chronz
05-23-2012, 06:15 PM
:facepalm:


You're an idiot. Who should be picked over Kobe?


Bradley? Did not play enough games.


Shumpert? Not enough minutes.


Thabo? Hurt most of the season.


Wade? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Iggy

Bruno
05-23-2012, 06:18 PM
stupid.

theheatles
05-23-2012, 06:28 PM
lol spiteful voters not wanting to give lebron dpoy made these teams look like a sham

KB24PG16
05-23-2012, 06:37 PM
well, the teams continue to have a joke or two each year.

Chandler wins DPOY, doesn't make 1st team.

Kobe makes 2nd team over Iggy.

whatever. These teams produce a couple of jokes every year.

Iggy had more votes (17) than kobe (13) but was only considered as a forward thus did not make it.

theLgndKllr35
05-23-2012, 06:46 PM
Kobe. Wow. :laugh:

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-23-2012, 06:57 PM
This is definitely the very last yr Kobe gets selected to any defensive team.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-23-2012, 06:59 PM
lol spiteful voters not wanting to give lebron dpoy made these teams look like a sham
Media votes DPOY. Coaches vote defensive teams
You're Welcome.

theheatles
05-23-2012, 07:36 PM
Media votes DPOY. Coaches vote defensive teams
You're Welcome.

either way, it's a joke, media voting is beyond ridiculous, they tend to be the most petty and arrogant human beings on the planet

D-Leethal
05-23-2012, 07:39 PM
Shump got a shitload more votes than Avery Bradley. Just sayin :smoking:

Korman12
05-23-2012, 07:39 PM
This is definitely the very last yr Kobe gets selected to any defensive team.

Despite the fact that he shouldn't have been on last year's either, we keep saying this. If he gets it again next year I won't be shocked at all. The coaches (again, just like Gold Gloves) don't seem to ever learn - or appear that they care to understand why.

The goods
05-23-2012, 07:44 PM
Hahahahaha Kobe made it? Even I didn't think he would, good job Kobe.

Chronz
05-23-2012, 08:20 PM
Iggy had more votes (17) than kobe (13) but was only considered as a forward thus did not make it.
Thus? Sounds like BS to me

bagwell368
05-23-2012, 08:31 PM
I think Bradley should have made first team

The guy played 21.4 MPG....

JohnnyOutcast
05-23-2012, 08:38 PM
I want to know which NBA coach thought that Carlos Boozer was one of the best defenders in the NBA this year........................

RC3
05-23-2012, 08:58 PM
I want to know which NBA coach thought that Carlos Boozer was one of the best defenders in the NBA this year........................

Mike d'antoni

b@llhog24
05-23-2012, 09:28 PM
The is a ****ing joke. The NBA is a ****ing joke. **** the NBA. Andre Iguodala not making the team but Kobe's there again. **** the NBA this is utter garbage. I'm over this for real now.

+1


You know what, I'm gonna take the glass half full approach. At least Tony Allen made it over Kobe for first team as opposed to last season.

I was just thinking of this, everybody *****ing that Kobe made 2nd team should be happy he didn't make the first.

b@llhog24
05-23-2012, 09:29 PM
Mike d'antoni

He would have voted for Amare. :pity:

THE GIPPER
05-23-2012, 09:52 PM
Kobe over Iggy :facepalm:

TylerSL
05-23-2012, 10:00 PM
......... at no Iggy ............

amos1er
05-24-2012, 01:16 AM
Why are you guys discussing a clearly debatable position (Chandler vs Dwight), the only real injustice is Iggy being behind CP3/Kobe

Its obvious they just wanted to keep Kobe on there for historical purposes.

Iggy got more votes than Kobe, but was listed as a forward. I agree that Kobe's defense has fallen off though. Probly should have been 3rd team.

Sadds The Gr8
05-24-2012, 01:20 AM
People still take all defense teams seriously?

LakersIn5
05-24-2012, 01:39 AM
How does chandler win DPOY but not make the nba all defense first team?

media voted for DPOY. coaches voted for the defensive teams. coaches>>>>media, psd

SeoulBeatz
05-24-2012, 01:40 AM
WTF? Where is Iguodala???

Kobe? Really?

3 years ago, absolutely, but this year? Are you kidding me?

lol all I can do is smile, cause that's just ********.

sharqstealth
05-24-2012, 01:54 AM
I want to know which NBA coach thought that Carlos Boozer was one of the best defenders in the NBA this year........................

Thibodeau?

sharqstealth
05-24-2012, 02:00 AM
LMFAO Tyson Chandler is the worst DPOY of all time, couldnt even make 1st team..shows that NYs media is biased. This is why the league sucks.

THIS IS WHY NO ONE RESPECTS YOUR KNOWLEDGE, AND EVERYONE TAKES YOU AS A JOKE.:facepalm:

Chronz
05-24-2012, 11:29 AM
Iggy got more votes than Kobe, but was listed as a forward. I agree that Kobe's defense has fallen off though. Probly should have been 3rd team.

Thats why its ******** that somehow they allowed Kobe to be on the team but Iggy was allegedly "illegible"

Chronz
05-24-2012, 11:30 AM
Thibodeau?
Coaches arent allowed to vote for their own players


THIS IS WHY NO ONE RESPECTS YOUR KNOWLEDGE, AND EVERYONE TAKES YOU AS A JOKE.:facepalm:
Thats cute

willabeast77
05-24-2012, 11:38 AM
Iggy got more votes than Kobe, but was listed as a forward. I agree that Kobe's defense has fallen off though. Probly should have been 3rd team.

Iguodala should have been able to make it as a guard. If Kevin Garnett was able to make the 2nd team as a forward even though he ended up playing as a centre for the last few while of the regular season (and into the playoffs), then why couldn't they adjust Iguodala as being listed as a guard? (and he has played guard this season so it isn't much of a stretch).

Da Knicks
05-24-2012, 12:20 PM
Im glad Tyson got disrespected that way, gives him the fire to put all those teams to shame next season. Kobe getting on the second team is just well:facepalm:

Corey
05-24-2012, 12:21 PM
lol @ Shumpert getting more votes than Bradley.

Heatcheck
05-24-2012, 12:40 PM
lol @ Shumpert getting more votes than Bradley.

y is that?

Their advanced defensive stats are almost the same. Shumpert plays almost 30 min/pg compared to avery's 20. and Shumpert gets 1.7 steals compared to the .5 avery gets.

not exactly a travesty

Blitzbolt
05-24-2012, 01:12 PM
Chandler was not the DOPY and we all know it.

D12 got injured and Lebron got the MVP so voters did not vote for him,