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creamed corn
05-22-2012, 07:52 PM
Just wondering about what you all think. Should a point guard look to pass the ball first, like steve nash and CP3, or does it not matter if they are scorers like Rose and Westbrook?

Baller1
05-22-2012, 07:55 PM
Doesn't matter. Maybe you can argue that it depends on the team, situation, personnel, etc., but it doesn't matter.

Blitzbolt
05-22-2012, 07:55 PM
I prefer Nash and CP3 because they are true Point guards Rose and Westbrick are Combo guards.

Deron W to me is right in between and the best.

blastmasta26
05-22-2012, 08:00 PM
It doesn't matter what the mentality of a PG is, but the talents of a PG matter. A PG has to be able to run an offense, even if they aren't necessarily looking to pass first. However, there are exceptions when you have great ball handlers like a LeBron for example that negate this requirement. So, it really is just dependent on the team.

5ass
05-22-2012, 08:01 PM
it depends on the teammates and coaching style, but ill vote pass first.

rhino17
05-22-2012, 08:02 PM
doesn't matter, a PG is like any other player on the court. A PG that only looks to pass is much easier to defend

MrfadeawayJB
05-22-2012, 08:03 PM
The game is changing to point guards who look to score just as much as set people up. I dont think it really matters, just as long as they are effective at whatever they do

yankeesown69
05-22-2012, 08:04 PM
The PG's role is to make plays that result in as efficient of offense as possible. So whatever that may be depending on the player's surrounding team is the right approach.

kdspurman
05-22-2012, 08:04 PM
Doesn't matter. Maybe you can argue that it depends on the team, situation, personnel, etc., but it doesn't matter.

Pretty much this.

kubernetes
05-22-2012, 08:11 PM
The game is changing to point guards who look to score just as much as set people up. I dont think it really matters, just as long as they are effective at whatever they do

Yep. This is why I find it difficult to compare PGs, because the position isn't nearly as uniform in terms of skillsets as C or PF. How do you compare Rose vs. Nash? They're both PGs but they play entirely different games. What matters is that they bring the right skills for their team. Rondo would probably suck on the Bulls; Westbrook would be superfluous on the Heat.

Ezio
05-22-2012, 08:31 PM
Yep. This is why I find it difficult to compare PGs, because the position isn't nearly as uniform in terms of skillsets as C or PF. How do you compare Rose vs. Nash? They're both PGs but they play entirely different games. What matters is that they bring the right skills for their team. Rondo would probably suck on the Bulls; Westbrook would be superfluous on the Heat.

Lol the C's and Bulls are built the same.

topdog
05-22-2012, 08:35 PM
Depends upon the player. I feel like Randy Foye's game and confidence were ruined because he was told he had to be a pass-first pg. His natural game was to look for his shot and make passes off of the defense reacting to his scoring.

I just Love Nash's game though because he balances them so well and lets the defense dictate how he hurts them. It's a simple as when he drives to the rim whether or not the help steps up dictates whether he assists the dunk or shoots the floater/layup.

ackar
05-22-2012, 08:38 PM
I believe when you get caught up in a players position and what roles they have to play only meaning pg pass first. you are doing a disservice to the player and the team. Why do Nash and CP3 pass first because quite frankly that's what they are best at. When you have the ball in your hands to me it comes down to making a smart basketball play. If that is hitting a cutter to the basket or scoring the ball it does not matter make the smart play.

I guess centers should only rebound and block shots and not look to score!

AB1984
05-22-2012, 08:40 PM
Doesn't matter, a pg's job is the same as any other athlete. Do whatever gives your team the best chance to win.

torocan
05-22-2012, 09:04 PM
It doesn't matter as long as it fits the team, the offense, and it helps the team win.

This whole traditional vs scoring PG is a load of bunk.

It doesn't matter where the scoring comes from as long as it's contributes to winning.

LA_Raiders
05-22-2012, 09:08 PM
pass first, get all players involved...

Kashmir13579
05-22-2012, 09:14 PM
lmfao he's supposed to make the right play..

KNICKS R BACK
05-22-2012, 09:32 PM
pass first without question...thats a point guards job, to make plays and make his teammates better...thats why the greatest point guards of all time are all pure pass first point guards...Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, John Stockton, etc...all this ghetto ballhog combo guard BS doesnt win championships...Iverson got close but when it came down to it he got cracked in the finals by the lakers because that BS doesnt win against good teams...Rose and Westbrick won't win until they learn to play the right way...to rose's credit he doesnt have anybody to pass to but thats beside the point

KNICKS R BACK
05-22-2012, 09:33 PM
all that ghetto combo guard ballhog BS is detrimental to the league, now every point guard coming up wants to be a ballhog, its dispicable

flatbush knicks
05-22-2012, 09:52 PM
depends on the team

Swashcuff
05-22-2012, 10:37 PM
A point guard #1 duty is to run the most effective/efficient offense and get the most out of his team. The top 5 offenses this season were in order 1. The Spurs 2. The Thunder 3. The Nuggets 4. The Clippers and 5. The Bulls.

That's all you need to know. Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook (often called an SG by those know don't know what they are talking about), Ty Lawson, Chris Paul and Derrick Rose (they were at their best offensively with Rose on the floor) are all point guards who do what they need to do to ensure that their offense is ran as effectively.

IT DOESN'T matter.

Swashcuff
05-22-2012, 10:43 PM
pass first without question...thats a point guards job, to make plays and make his teammates better...thats why the greatest point guards of all time are all pure pass first point guards...Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, John Stockton, etc...all this ghetto ballhog combo guard BS doesnt win championships...Iverson got close but when it came down to it he got cracked in the finals by the lakers because that BS doesnt win against good teams...Rose and Westbrick won't win until they learn to play the right way...to rose's credit he doesnt have anybody to pass to but thats beside the point

What do the names Gus Williams, Isiah Thomas, Jerry West, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and Walt Frazier mean to you?

You do know that Iverson wasn't a PG right?

Also you say Rose and Westbrook won't win until the play the right way? What garbage is that. Steve Nash, Jason Kidd and John Stockton were never able to win a title in their prime. This playing the game the right way is garbage as league history has proven to us.

b@llhog24
05-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Run the offense.

Wade>You
05-22-2012, 10:58 PM
Both. The important part is that the PG knows what is the right decision to make at the given moment. And that's what the great PGs in the NBA do.

LJEATON26
05-22-2012, 11:06 PM
Who cares if they score or pass firstas long as you win and as long as you can build a team and gameplan around them

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-22-2012, 11:09 PM
Depends.

If they're extremely gifted offensively like Westbrook or Rose, score first.

If they aren't like Rondo, pass first. (Not saying Rondo isnt an extremely talented player).

LJEATON26
05-22-2012, 11:45 PM
pass first without question...thats a point guards job, to make plays and make his teammates better...thats why the greatest point guards of all time are all pure pass first point guards...Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, John Stockton, etc...all this ghetto ballhog combo guard BS doesnt win championships...Iverson got close but when it came down to it he got cracked in the finals by the lakers because that BS doesnt win against good teams...Rose and Westbrick won't win until they learn to play the right way...to rose's credit he doesnt have anybody to pass to but thats beside the point

Since they have 1 championship between the three of them (Kidd last year), maybe its a good think Rose and Westbrook play a different style.

justjames
05-23-2012, 02:19 AM
The correct answer is that a PG creates offense for others. Most of the time, that's through passing but if you're scoring you create offensive opportunities for your team when the double team or help defender comes.

Its neither one nor the other.

LongWayFromHome
05-23-2012, 03:14 AM
All players at every position should try and get their team the best shot opportunity on each possession. Sometimes that means keeping it for yourself. Sometimes its means creating and then giving it up.

bagwell368
05-23-2012, 09:01 AM
Doesn't matter. Maybe you can argue that it depends on the team, situation, personnel, etc., but it doesn't matter.

Right.

What matters is executing against what the D gives you. Doesn't matter if it's dribble, drive, pass, shoot. It matters if its the right thing at the right time. If you are great enough, you can even dictate to the D regularly.

For instance defenses give Rondo the outside shot, but he has to avoid it because he's so bloody inefficient at it. So it's drive, pass, or dribble around - and try again. That makes it easier on the D, and hard on the other 4 O players.

Look at Larry Bird, he could do any of those things and do them very well. D had to basically play him vanilla. Any PG that can do everything well like Paul is what you want. The whole stylish pass mostly PG's like Rondo is an adaptation to what he doesn't do well - which is a critical hole in his game: shoot outside of 10 feet. You are falling for a shell game if you think that sort of PG is superior.

bagwell368
05-23-2012, 09:05 AM
Both. The important part is that the PG knows what is the right decision to make at the given moment. And that's what the great PGs in the NBA do.

True as far as it goes, but other players outside of PG's have the ability to do that as well.

ManRam
05-23-2012, 10:20 AM
Doesn't matter. For some teams a traditional pass first PG isnt necessary for an offensive systems...for others it's crucial. Late in games, however, the great PGs usually get it done by scoring...and if they have that ability they have to do so.

Too general of a question to answer absolutely.

People do need to get over the notion that you need a traditional pass-first PG to win. Besides Rondo, who's the last of the stereotypical passing PG to win a ring? The whole position is over-valued in today's NBA. Scoring wings ans Bigs FTW!

Gimme a team that moves the ball as a whole over a team that relies on one PG to create for everyone. That's where today's NBA is going...and that's where the best offenses are.

celtNYpatsHeels
05-23-2012, 10:31 AM
Im not sure what this means in terms of the poll question, but the in the last 30 years only 2 PGs have won rings being the best on his team. Isiah and Magic... and they had pretty damn good teams around them.

So I guess what Im saying is that PGs like Rose, Westbrook, Williams etc have the odds stacked against them in terms of winning the finals if they are the best player on their teams

JasonJohnHorn
05-23-2012, 12:37 PM
PG liked Nash and CP3 are great PGs because they CAN score. What a PG needs is to be able to score, but look to creat shots for others. You have to be enough of an offensive threat that defences have to work hard, but the goal of the PG should be setting up plays for others. Sometimes the situation calls for them to shoot or drive. It depends on the situation of the game. If defences are giving the PG space, the PG needs to take advantage and make the defence pay. If the defence is taking the lane away and playing close, then they need to look for other teammates.

I voted for pass first, but obviously there are situations where you need to score. I'd say, as far a pure PG goes, Stockton was the best example. He did what a PG should do... shoot well and pass better.