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creamed corn
05-22-2012, 01:55 AM
Once again, Gasol proved is is softer than a teddy bear against the thunder. He is a big 7 footer, and you can't score more than 14 points? Sure, Ibaka gets a lot of blocks, but that doesn't mean he's a spectacular man defender. Pau should have used his size to his advantage offensively. I don't know if Tempurpedic Gasol will ever shake the soft label from my mind, but he has some time to prove it.

TheJesus
05-22-2012, 01:57 AM
Blake Griffin thinks Pau is just fine.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-22-2012, 01:58 AM
Pau had 14 pts, 16 rebs and 3 blocks.

Bynum had 10 pts, 5 rebs, and ZERO blocks!

TheJesus
05-22-2012, 01:59 AM
Bynum is excused. Because, you know, close out games are so easy.

D12 fan
05-22-2012, 02:03 AM
Bynum I would play anywhere.lmao

LAOwnsAll15
05-22-2012, 02:07 AM
Bynum is one dimensional, Gasol is the one who has the other tools to throw off the defense. When Gasol plays well it normally leads to a good game for both big men.

Gasol being so passive leads to alot of awkwardness in the offense. Id rather him take 20 shots then him holding back the offense by always looking to pass.

thephoenixson28
05-22-2012, 02:16 AM
Thought he snooker it off when he won a championship. Guess not. Trade him to the suns

DaLakerz Rulz
05-22-2012, 04:04 AM
Bynum is one dimensional, Gasol is the one who has the other tools to throw off the defense. When Gasol plays well it normally leads to a good game for both big men.

Gasol being so passive leads to alot of awkwardness in the offense. Id rather him take 20 shots then him holding back the offense by always looking to pass.

When Gasol plays well, it also usually leads to championships. Look at the last few postseasons for Pau:

07-08: 16.9 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 0.146 ws/48 - lose in finals
08-09: 18.3 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 0.221 ws/48 - championship
09-10: 19.6 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 0.224 ws/48 - championship
10-11: 13.1 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 0.115 ws/48 - lose 2nd round
11-12: 12.4 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 0.100 ws/48 - lose 2nd round

I agree though - he was just too passive both this season and last year. The dude straight up choked and there is no excuse. After having been through so many playoff games and had championships under your belt, I would assume you actually know how to step your game up in the postseason. Kobe is not without fault, but at least he gives it is all every game. It seems as if Pau has just lost all his desire to win and his play reflects that. Oh well, hope he has fun on whatever team he gets traded to.

Hellcrooner
05-22-2012, 05:46 AM
No.

Refs wont allow it.

He gets fouled around 30 times a game, and refs usually only call 3 or 4 of them because " he is soft".

Hope some contender is wise enough to find a way to trick some bad team into a three way deal with lakers because he can still be the second option into a ring winner ( or a first option in a pistons 04 like team) and shut some mouths.

Six-8-TheWizard
05-22-2012, 06:05 AM
Blake Griffin thinks Pau is just fine.

Lol

bigbangclock
05-22-2012, 06:08 AM
i don't think he will ever shae the soft label but i do think the lakers are gonna trade him this summer and get good value.

StinkEye
05-22-2012, 06:12 AM
No.

Refs wont allow it.

He gets fouled around 30 times a game, and refs usually only call 3 or 4 of them because " he is soft".

Hope some contender is wise enough to find a way to trick some bad team into a three way deal with lakers because he can still be the second option into a ring winner ( or a first option in a pistons 04 like team) and shut some mouths.

:laugh:

Hellcrooner
05-22-2012, 09:16 AM
:laugh:

thats how stupid refs call game,s based on whos a star and who is not and based on reputation.

Just go check yesterdays flagran on artest, it wanst even a foul, you can be sure that if a goodie two shoes player or a star had made the same play they wouldnt even called a foul, but since it was artest that carries the nutcas/thug label they called a flagrant.

natelpete
05-22-2012, 09:33 AM
Remember earlier in the year when Laker fans thought they could get KLove for Pau straight up.. :down:

tcav701
05-22-2012, 09:42 AM
thats how stupid refs call game,s based on whos a star and who is not and based on reputation.

Just go check yesterdays flagran on artest, it wanst even a foul, you can be sure that if a goodie two shoes player or a star had made the same play they wouldnt even called a foul, but since it was artest that carries the nutcas/thug label they called a flagrant.

I agree with most of this here.

However saying that Pau gets fouls 30 times a game in your earlier post is absurd. nobody gets fould 30 times a game.

justinnum1
05-22-2012, 09:49 AM
Charmin soft

Lo Porto
05-22-2012, 09:50 AM
Let me start off by saying I hate the Lakers.

But the Lakers won titles on the shoulders of Kobe and Gasol. Pau Gasol was incredible and borderline unstoppable for those titles. When the Lakers started to shift the focus more on Bynum, something got lost for Gasol. He went back to being a complimentary player which happens when you get moved to 3rd option.

The Lakers should trade Bynum. He's got a terrible attitude, he doesn't move his feet on defense, and he's so one dimensional on offense. Ibaka and Perkins had to laugh on the inside every time Bynum got it last night because they knew exactly what he was going to do.

As a non-Lakers fan, I hope they trade Gasol because he's a more well rounded player, but Mitch would be smarter trading Bynum because he would net more in return and he's a worse player than Gasol.

celtNYpatsHeels
05-22-2012, 10:09 AM
No.

Refs wont allow it.

He gets fouled around 30 times a game, and refs usually only call 3 or 4 of them because " he is soft".

Hope some contender is wise enough to find a way to trick some bad team into a three way deal with lakers because he can still be the second option into a ring winner ( or a first option in a pistons 04 like team) and shut some mouths.

wow, i dont know how to respond to this. just because Gasol yells like he is getting raped everytime he touches the ball doesnt mean he is fouled. Van Gundy says it the best, Gasol is a master of the verbal flop. Sorry but Gasol has never been a number 1 option on a contender. Could he go to Charlotte or Toronto and be the 1 option, sure. Would they make the playoffs.... maybe as an 8 seed.

Face facts, Gasol is soft and a finesse player. He is easily intimidated.

JasonJohnHorn
05-22-2012, 10:31 AM
Pau not soft. People confuse finess with softness. Just because he is a finess player, doesn't make him soft.

He doesn't get as many shot attempts as he did in previous seasons because of Kobe ball-hogging and Bynum's development, but if he was on a team like Toronto he would be scoring 20+. LA's coaching staff was obviously more interested in developing Bynum than getting Pau shots, and it showed.

Pau is very similar to Duncan in many ways, and I'm surprised that Duncan isn't considered soft by more people, because he is also a finess player, but I think 'soft' is just a label people give European players because their style is different.

Pau is a great player and he would make any playoff team a contender if he was thrown on their roster. As for this series... LA could have easily been going into game five up 3-1 as down 3-1. Games 2, 3 and 4 were all close games and could have gone either way. LA may need an upgrade at SF and perhaps PG, but they got the talent they need to win it all. Their biggest problem is coaching and distributing the ball. Kobe should be looking to score between 20-25 points per game instead of 25-30. LA needs to share the ball more and get the other players looks. Roll players like Troy Murphy and Metta World-Peace have a hard time getting hitting shots because they don't get a lot of them. Kobe should be distributing more, or moving without the ball and let the PG hand the ball out.

Just my thoughts...

pacofunk64
05-22-2012, 10:48 AM
No because he is what he is. I don't care...it's not like he can just flip a switch at this point in his career.

tcav701
05-22-2012, 11:11 AM
Tough players are alpha males, they are simply born that way and have that mentality.

Pau is like an omega, his tail just hangs lower than the other wolves. Its nature.

JordansBulls
05-22-2012, 11:36 AM
He wasn't soft when he was leading the Lakers in win shares the past 4 years. What the hell is he supposed to do when one player takes more shots than him and Bynum combined for an entire series?

Hellcrooner
05-22-2012, 11:40 AM
He wasn't soft when he was leading the Lakers in win shares the past 4 years. What the hell is he supposed to do when one player takes more shots than him and Bynum combined for an entire series?

and he is also forced to play in the perimeter, out of position and take long jumpers in wich he isnot a specialist.


If Stupid brown wants to play that way lakers would be better of trading pau for Bargnani stright up, he would fit that role.

Lim
05-22-2012, 12:05 PM
kinda hard to be considered soft when hes averaged 10-11 RPG for the last 3-4 years. and as for offense.... he never gets any touches, idiot mamba over there averaging 24 shots per game..

Jumi
05-22-2012, 12:18 PM
I really don't think Pau is soft. The question for the Lakers is do they want to speed the game up or slow it down. They need to get younger, NOW! I'd go with Gragic, ship out Pau, get a stretch 4, and depend on Bynum to be my inside force. If they want to win in the next two years, go with Nash, keep Pau and Bynum, then blow it up after the next title. Just a thought. There are no easy answers for this team, because every year it's title or bust. They don't have the luxury of the Spurs to retool over a three year window while keeping the core together.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-22-2012, 12:39 PM
no never ever

RaiderLakersA's
05-22-2012, 01:48 PM
No, Paul is the scapegoat for the second straight year. He's done as a Laker.

John Walls Era
05-22-2012, 02:26 PM
Hes won 2 rings being called soft. Its about what you can do for the team, not who people think you are.