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droalex
05-21-2012, 03:27 PM
#Orlando #Magic fire coach Stan Van Gundy, part ways with GM Otis Smith! Read http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=10022


http://t.co/mhi7JXKH

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 03:27 PM
:speechless:

Dwight wins!!!

haggis
05-21-2012, 03:27 PM
Dwight Wins!

LTBaByyy
05-21-2012, 03:27 PM
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/magic_part_ways_with_van_gundy_smith_052112.html

Where do you think he ends up next season?

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 03:29 PM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=722125

You're Welcome. :D

gocubs2118
05-21-2012, 03:29 PM
I can't wait until Dwight STILL doesn't want to play in Orlando.

29$JerZ
05-21-2012, 03:29 PM
Please sign him NY :pray:

LTBaByyy
05-21-2012, 03:29 PM
The Clippers need to hire this man

LTBaByyy
05-21-2012, 03:30 PM
SVG also is a great fit for Knicks but I think they like Woodson

justinnum1
05-21-2012, 03:30 PM
SVG is the best coach on the market not named phil jackson

B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-21-2012, 03:30 PM
Clippers and Knicks are calling for you Mr. Van Gundy.

0nekhmer
05-21-2012, 03:31 PM
Wow.

Dade County
05-21-2012, 03:31 PM
and it begins

king4day
05-21-2012, 03:31 PM
Clips or Knicks do both make sense. Clippers maybe more so. I think they have better defensive talent. Orlando might lose them as well as Howard this offseason.
Leaves the door for D'Antoni though.

29$JerZ
05-21-2012, 03:32 PM
Orlando will regret this decision imo.

Dade County
05-21-2012, 03:32 PM
Clippers and Knicks are calling for you Mr. Van Gundy.

NOOOOO!!!! Van Gundies in NY please. Nightmares :mad:

celtNYpatsHeels
05-21-2012, 03:32 PM
the inmate has gained control of the asylum.

i do actually agree with firing Smith, but not VG

jam
05-21-2012, 03:33 PM
Embarrassing, spineless collapse by Orlando.

Jays Claw
05-21-2012, 03:33 PM
SVG will either coach the Clips or Knicks for next season IMO. I still can't believe Dwight made this all happen... :facepalm:

GunFactor187
05-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Would be funny though if the Magic performs a troll move retaining Howard and signs Jeff Van Gundy haha!

29$JerZ
05-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Watch Dwight not even stay.

mjt20mik
05-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Silly Silly move by Orlando

netsgiantsyanks
05-21-2012, 03:34 PM
i seriously thought that this was going to be some ******** spam. guess not...

GiantsSwaGG
05-21-2012, 03:35 PM
Please sign him NY :pray:

Stan + Dolan + NY Media + Melo will not work

kdspurman
05-21-2012, 03:36 PM
SVG needs to do some playoff commentary with JVG. That's be pretty entertaining

BigBlueCrew
05-21-2012, 03:36 PM
what a bunch of dopes pacifying that big baby. Oh well someone is gonna get themselves a good coach

srfr4life
05-21-2012, 03:38 PM
Personally as a Magic fan, I wanted Van Gundy to be our coach. Otis needed to go.

BSardogan
05-21-2012, 03:39 PM
Oh boy...

And now..? :rolleyes:

justinnum1
05-21-2012, 03:39 PM
why would SVG work for sterling?

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 03:39 PM
Either Lakers will fire Mike Brown and/or Clippers will fire VDN.

Stan Van Gundy will be coaching of these two LA teams next season (I guarantee it), and I hope it's the Lakers.

Rivera
05-21-2012, 03:39 PM
Im ok with otis getting the boot but i am sad and upset that SVG is officially gone (though it was expected)

Dwight won but dwight is still gonna get traded. Just a mess for Orlando right now :sigh:

29$JerZ
05-21-2012, 03:39 PM
NY cannot blow this chance. I don't see him going to LAC. Come to NY!
Lakers are a possibility too sadly.

Lakers + Giants
05-21-2012, 03:41 PM
Dwight has lost all my respect. . . . this proves dwight didn't want him there despite him saying he never said ****. . haha. Fire Brown Hire SVG or demote brown to assistant coach and Hire SVG! Boom! Do it jim!

gatkins11
05-21-2012, 03:42 PM
Otis made some stupid decisions, but it's a shame that two people lost their jobs for the Magic to have a chance to keep Dwight.

AnalyzeNShoot
05-21-2012, 03:42 PM
ORLANDO Orlando Magic Chief Executive Officer Alex Martins announced today that Stan Van Gundy has been relieved of his duties as head coach. In addition President of Basketball Operations and General Manager Otis Smith and the organization have mutually agreed to part ways.

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/magic_part_ways_with_van_gundy_smith_052112.html

Bravo95
05-21-2012, 03:42 PM
Get Stan on the ABC's studio panel in place of Broussard, Barry and Wilbon.

Master Mind
05-21-2012, 03:42 PM
So does that mean Dwight stays?

Rivera
05-21-2012, 03:43 PM
Get Stan on the ABC's studio panel in place of Broussard, Barry and Wilbon.

Or join your brother on commentary :pray:

AnalyzeNShoot
05-21-2012, 03:43 PM
please close already posted sorry.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 03:44 PM
Dwight has lost all my respect. . . . this proves dwight didn't want him there despite him saying he never said ****. . haha. Fire Brown Hire SVG or demote brown to assistant coach and Hire SVG! Boom! Do it jim!

Nothing against Brown, he just doesn't mesh well with Kobe. Need to fire him and hire SVG. And hire JVG as the assistant.


SVG = offense

JVG = defense


Championship. :drool:

Wade>You
05-21-2012, 03:44 PM
delete

Wade>You
05-21-2012, 03:44 PM
If the Heat don't win the title, I hope they go after SVG. I think things would be better now that Shaq is gone.

Wade>You
05-21-2012, 03:45 PM
Dwight has lost all my respect. . . . this proves dwight didn't want him there despite him saying he never said ****. . haha. Fire Brown Hire SVG or demote brown to assistant coach and Hire SVG! Boom! Do it jim!I wonder how that'll change if the Lakers were to trade for Howard....

kdspurman
05-21-2012, 03:47 PM
I wonder how that'll change if the Lakers were to trade for Howard....

Well they'd go from 1 immature big to another. Don't see it changing much tbh...

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 03:47 PM
I wonder how that'll change if the Lakers were to trade for Howard....

I don't think the Lakers trade for him as he doesn't want to come to LA.

Bravo95
05-21-2012, 03:47 PM
Or join your brother on commentary :pray:
Let Stan replace Boring Breen, I'll take that also.

NYY 26 to 7
05-21-2012, 03:47 PM
So fire coach and GM and Howard will still leave after next year.

pd1dish
05-21-2012, 03:47 PM
I can't wait until Dwight STILL doesn't want to play in Orlando.

this. Orlando gets rid of GM and Coach to please Dwight, but that selfish bastard still wont stay there.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 03:48 PM
If the Heat don't win the title, I hope they go after SVG. I think things would be better now that Shaq is gone.

SVG is not going to crawl back to Riles. You know, since SVG had to take time off to spend time with his family. Just like this summer, Spo will have to spend time with his family.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 03:48 PM
I think this is more of a sign that Dwight will leave than he will stay.

justinnum1
05-21-2012, 03:49 PM
why can SVG without a long term commitment from Dwight? Devos is totally ****ing this thing up. Old man will never see a ring at this rate.

CityofTreez
05-21-2012, 03:50 PM
Nothing against Brown, he just doesn't mesh well with Kobe. Need to fire him and hire SVG. And hire JVG as the assistant.


SVG = offense

JVG = defense


Championship. :drool:


And the Lakers most likely still lose to the Thunder!

Mike Brown was this "supposed" defensive minded coach, but the Lakers can barely guard a pick-and-roll.

justinnum1
05-21-2012, 03:50 PM
If the Heat don't win the title, I hope they go after SVG. I think things would be better now that Shaq is gone.

:facepalm:

pd1dish
05-21-2012, 03:50 PM
If the Heat don't win the title, I hope they go after SVG. I think things would be better now that Shaq is gone.

if Spoelstra is fired, you dont think Pat Riley will give it a shot instead of hiring a new coach?

thephoenixson28
05-21-2012, 03:50 PM
Dwight wins, but still leaving

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 03:50 PM
And the Lakers most likely still lose to the Thunder!

Mike Brown was this "supposed" defensive minded coach, but the Lakers still can barely guard a pick-and-roll.

Mike Brown doesn't have the respect of his players unfortunately.

5ass
05-21-2012, 03:50 PM
Dwight has lost all my respect. . . . this proves dwight didn't want him there despite him saying he never said ****. . haha. Fire Brown Hire SVG or demote brown to assistant coach and Hire SVG! Boom! Do it jim!

you people fail to understand that saying he wanted SVG fired a few days before the play offs would've been even worse. Dwight tried to downplay the rumors for the good of his team and organization.

BKLYNpigeon
05-21-2012, 03:51 PM
now they need to trade Dwight.

Lakers + Giants
05-21-2012, 03:51 PM
I wonder how that'll change if the Lakers were to trade for Howard....

I'll support him as a player but still not be a big fan of his. . .

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 03:51 PM
I'll support him as a player but still not be a big fan of his. . .

Trust me, you start winning championships again, and all of the past will be forgotten. :laugh2:

5ass
05-21-2012, 03:52 PM
Anyway im very happy that Otis is gone. Im not too happy about letting SVG go, but we'll see what happens.

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 03:53 PM
Dwight and Deron belong together

justinnum1
05-21-2012, 03:54 PM
The new big 3

JVG, SVG, breen

:pray:

The Final Boss
05-21-2012, 03:55 PM
SVG is the best coach on the market not named phil jackson

Jerry Sloan, anyone?

Btw lmao @ the NBA Forum.

MagicBucsSox
05-21-2012, 03:55 PM
Like I said in our forum. He got a raw deal . Hated he wouldn't play young guys. Top5 coach. Screwed by the GM. Should have a new deal within 2hrs


Otis smith gone its a holiday

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 03:55 PM
Like I said in my previous post, I think this is more of a sign that Dwight will leave.

Orlando is probably looking to start over completely. Trade Dwight for picks and promising players, hire a new coach, Gm, and start over.

still1ballin
05-21-2012, 03:55 PM
Come to the lakers!!!!

The Jokemaker
05-21-2012, 03:56 PM
I'd rather take the combo of Smith and Van Gundy than Dwight any day of the week. But I guess this saves the Magic money since they can hire the genius Dwight Howard to be coach, GM, and player.

justinnum1
05-21-2012, 03:57 PM
no way, otis was trash, he needed to go, but firing SVG was a mistake. And sets a poor precedent.

5ass
05-21-2012, 03:59 PM
I'd rather take the combo of Smith and Van Gundy than Dwight any day of the week. But I guess this saves the Magic money since they can hire the genius Dwight Howard to be coach, GM, and player.

haha. In all honesty SVG is overrated by some here. He doesnt have a good offense, he doesnt have the respect of his players, he doesnt play young guys...
Im not saying SVG is a bad coach, i just think he's a bit overrated.
Otis will make ur owner broke in 2 years.

popo85
05-21-2012, 04:00 PM
what a bunch of dopes pacifying that big baby. Oh well someone is gonna get themselves a good coach

Which one Glen or Dwight :D

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 04:02 PM
Mike Brown doesn't have the respect of his players unfortunately.

Respect? They're getting paid millions of dollars and you're talking about respect? :laugh2: :badidea:

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 04:03 PM
Respect? They're getting paid millions of dollars and you're talking about respect? :laugh2: :badidea:

Meaning Phil was a successful guy when he came to the Lakers and he was no pushover.

Brown lost in the finals and was a pushover before coming to the lakers.

oak2455
05-21-2012, 04:03 PM
Whats funny ppl think Dwight is going to the nets for exactly what?? Beyonce's ***?

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Whats funny ppl think Dwight is going to the nets for exactly what?? Beyonce's ***?

If I was the owner or GM, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd amnesty Kobe's *** if it guaranteed Beyonce's ***! I'd go 50 mil over the luxury tax just fo dat booty! :drool:

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Meaning Phil was a successful guy when he came to the Lakers and he was no pushover.

Brown lost in the finals and was a pushover before coming to the lakers.

It has to do that he's just not that good of a coach.

greg_ory_2005
05-21-2012, 04:05 PM
Dwight is still not gonna stay lol.

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 04:06 PM
If I was the owner or GM, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd amnesty Kobe's *** if it guaranteed Beyonce's ***! I'd go 50 mil over the luxury tax just fo dat booty! :drool:

That *** is torn up from having a baby and sleeping with Camel face.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 04:07 PM
Whats funny ppl think Dwight is going to the nets for exactly what?? Beyonce's ***?

Here we go....Knicks fans getting nervous...

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 04:08 PM
That *** is torn up from having a baby and sleeping with Camel face.

Aight sorry, I was thinking pre-Camel face. You're probably right. :puke:

Corey
05-21-2012, 04:09 PM
Van Gundy to the Knicks?!


Lol, Dwight wins.

bunky01
05-21-2012, 04:09 PM
I guess the coaching position was next considering all the new players they've brought in over the past couple of seasons that didn't work out. I'm glad they did in the GM Otis Smith too. They need a fresh start.

naps
05-21-2012, 04:09 PM
WoW! Stop feeding the baby anymore! I genuinely feel bad for SVG. Good guy, good coach. He overachieved with the magic teams last 4 years. They should have fired Otis "the stupid" Smith years ago. He created all the mess along with Dwight. Dwight agreed to Smith for deals like Arenas, Hedo, Vince etc. So Magic should have got rid of both Otis and Dwight instead of scapegoating Stan. Wait when the Magic lose everything. It would look so funny when Dwight leaves.

macc
05-21-2012, 04:09 PM
SVG was the best coach our team has ever had. It's a shame our superstar didn't get along with him. The only thing SVG has done is win since he got here. It's to bad to see him leave. I liked Otis but he gambled one to many times and it cost him his job. So I can understand him getting let go.

Now i'm just waiting for Dwight to say he won't sign and extension so our FO looks like a bunch of fools.

Corey
05-21-2012, 04:10 PM
A Van Gundy announcing tandem next season? Dun Dun Dunnnnnnnnnn

smith&wesson
05-21-2012, 04:10 PM
otis i can understand.

stan van is a good coach. good luck replacing him.

Corey
05-21-2012, 04:11 PM
SVG was the best coach our team has ever had. It's a shame our superstar didn't get along with him. The only thing SVG has done is win since he got here. It's to bad to see him leave. I liked Otis but he gambled one to many times and it cost him his job. So I can understand him getting let go.

Now i'm just waiting for Dwight to say he won't sign and extension so our FO looks like a bunch of fools.

Doc Rivers > Van Gundy

justinnum1
05-21-2012, 04:11 PM
who is to say dwight gets along with the next coach? dwight ruined his image this year. totally ruined it

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 04:11 PM
WoW! Stop feeding the baby anymore! I genuinely feel bad for SVG. Good guy, good coach. He overachieved with the magic teams last 4 years. They should have fired Otis "the stupid" Smith years ago. He created all the mess along with Dwight. Dwight agreed to Smith for deals like Arenas, Hedo, Vince etc. So Magic should have got rid of both Otis and Dwight instead of scapegoating Stan. Wait when the Magic lose everything. It would look so funny when Dwight leaves.

Shaq, Penny, Dwight, SVG.

Orlando Magic ownership is ****! :laugh2:

Lakers + Giants
05-21-2012, 04:12 PM
Trust me, you start winning championships again, and all of the past will be forgotten. :laugh2:

Dwight a lone wouldn't make a difference. I don't see an improvement with kobe gasol and dwight. If we traded gasol for a PG then yea, that would be great, i doubt that though.

jrm2054
05-21-2012, 04:13 PM
I think Dwight is still gone they ate just cleaning house

Donuts365
05-21-2012, 04:14 PM
**** no brooklyn for dwight facepalm

BigCityofDreams
05-21-2012, 04:15 PM
Either Lakers will fire Mike Brown and/or Clippers will fire VDN.

Stan Van Gundy will be coaching of these two LA teams next season (I guarantee it), and I hope it's the Lakers.

It won't be the Lakers. They aren't going to fire Brown and eat the contract.

JordansBulls
05-21-2012, 04:18 PM
Jerry Sloan should go back to coaching.

TheNumber37
05-21-2012, 04:19 PM
Clippers need the coaching upgrade more desperately.

Rain 816
05-21-2012, 04:20 PM
I can't wait until Dwight STILL doesn't want to play in Orlando.

this times 1 million:laugh::laugh::laugh:

tbomlad
05-21-2012, 04:21 PM
I'm really surprised by all the SVG lovers in this forum. Do you really think this Magic team would have made the playoffs in any year without Dwight?!! Sports Illustrated just did a poll of 134 NBA players and asked which HC would you least like to play for and SVG easily finished first. He doesn't get the most out of players and they hate playing for him so for you Lakers, Knicks and other fans who want him be careful what you wish for. Again, Dwight made him look a lot better than he is just ask Riley and the Heat who also dismissed him.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 04:22 PM
Seems as though they're targeting Donnie Walsh to be their next GM.

A guy who dumps contracts and rebuilds....

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 04:23 PM
Whats funny ppl think Dwight is going to the nets for exactly what?? Beyonce's ***?

Uhh cuz he wants to go there. You should know this being a Knicks fan. You went through it with Melo. Players ultimately get what they want.

tbomlad
05-21-2012, 04:24 PM
And yes this means Dwight is staying because most likely they'll hire someone like Brian Shaw which will definitely keep Dwight in ORL.

Donuts365
05-21-2012, 04:26 PM
now lets ask ourselves a serious question will dwight be at the podium in this news conference?

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 04:27 PM
Uhh cuz he wants to go there. You should know this being a Knicks fan. You went through it with Melo. Players ultimately get what they want.

Dwight wanting to be a Net is all rumors, he'll be a Laker or should be traded to the Knicks for Chandler and Amare (He'd love MSG).

/anytypicalKnicksfanresponse.

Jarvo
05-21-2012, 04:28 PM
They need to clean house anyway, Get what you can for him and rebuild. Should've kept SVG though.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 04:29 PM
And yes this means Dwight is staying because most likely they'll hire someone like Brian Shaw which will definitely keep Dwight in ORL.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH AHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH


Oh thats just wonderful.

Jarvo
05-21-2012, 04:30 PM
Sucks SVG lost his job again because of a player smh

SportsAndrew25
05-21-2012, 04:31 PM
Mission Accomplished.

-Dwight Howard

oak2455
05-21-2012, 04:37 PM
Here we go....Knicks fans getting nervous...

answer the question , a lot of teams have much better pieces :eyebrow: soooooooo?

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 04:38 PM
Why does Dwight want to go to the Nets so badly, it baffles me. :confused:

oak2455
05-21-2012, 04:39 PM
Uhh cuz he wants to go there. You should know this being a Knicks fan. You went through it with Melo. Players ultimately get what they want.

I'm still not convinced, but you could be correct

justinnum1
05-21-2012, 04:40 PM
Why does Dwight want to go to the Nets so badly, it baffles me. :confused:

Why not?


Why did melo want to go to NY?

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 04:40 PM
answer the question , a lot of teams have much better pieces :eyebrow: soooooooo?

I guess you just pick and choose what you want to respond to but okay, I'll give in.

Like Chill Will said, Dwight wants to be a Net, he wants to play in Brooklyn with Deron. Just like Melo wanted to be a Knick. It doesnt matter what other teams have to offer, Dwight wont sign long term with them, which then takes other teams completely out of the equation.

Giving up Lopez, GForce, and picks would be PLENTY for a guy who already wants to play on this team. If not the Nets can wait and simply sign him in free agency, but I think Orlando would be smart to start the rebuilding process now.

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 04:41 PM
Why not?


Why did melo want to go to NY?

You can't answer my question with questions.

macc
05-21-2012, 04:43 PM
Doc Rivers > Van Gundy



Nope, what are you basing that off of. SVG has done more with less. Plus Doc wasn't in Orlando that long

oak2455
05-21-2012, 04:45 PM
I guess you just pick and choose what you want to respond to but okay, I'll give in.

Like Chill Will said, Dwight wants to be a Net, he wants to play in Brooklyn with Deron. Just like Melo wanted to be a Knick. It doesnt matter what other teams have to offer, Dwight wont sign long term with them, which then takes other teams completely out of the equation.

Giving up Lopez, GForce, and picks would be PLENTY for a guy who already wants to play on this team. If not the Nets can wait and simply sign him in free agency, but I think Orlando should be smart and start the rebuilding process.

picks which ones?? and Gforce he's a FA why would he reup to be traded to Orlando? and Lopez isn't even running just yet.......also New Gm means hes gonna wanna make his mark......not saying he wont go just you don't have the trade chips as you might think

Bravo95
05-21-2012, 04:45 PM
Best fit is obviously the Clippers, then maybe Portland. LAC can put up points but don't have what it takes on the defensive end, especially Griffin and Jordan. CP3 is all-business and wants to see serious moves to become a contender. Makes too much sense, so of course it won't happen.

Losoway
05-21-2012, 04:46 PM
FINALLY! SVG is the worst

now watch dwight howard magically start playing better

jam
05-21-2012, 04:48 PM
SVG will have the last laugh 8 years from now when Dwight is hobbling with a busted back and no money, and begging Sasha Vujacic for a roster spot in Turkey.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-21-2012, 04:49 PM
So now Orlando is out a good headcoach, and will be without Dwight by Feb.?

MagicHero3
05-21-2012, 04:49 PM
alot of ppl giving props to SVG

defensively, and the way he handles his players is awesome.
so did none of you watch the Magics offensive gameplan with him as coach?
it was pretty bad.
"pass to dwight in post, cut under, camp at 3pt line"

EVERY PLAY

seriously, any coach that gives Hedo the ball when he wants a score is ********.
SVG should be a def coordinator somewhere. Head coaching wise, i dont think he can do as much as people are saying.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-21-2012, 04:52 PM
Why not?


Why did melo want to go to NY?

It's like asking a little kid... Who do you wanna play for the Chicago Bull's or the Milwaukee Bucks?

It's every athletes dream to play for a franchise like the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, etc... I don't understand the Net's thing either. Is it because they moved to Brooklyn?

Lakeshow24KB
05-21-2012, 04:53 PM
Lakers?

cubbybear2290
05-21-2012, 04:53 PM
Looks like dwight is apparently getting what he wants.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 04:53 PM
picks which ones?? and Gforce he's a FA why would he reup to be traded to Orlando? and Lopez isn't even running just yet.......also New Gm means hes gonna wanna make his mark......not saying he wont go just you don't have the trade chips as you might think

Hahaha you're funny. Lopez will be fine by training camp, as reported by multiple sources, GForce can be traded mid season after he signs an extension (like Nene), and last but certainly not least, you completely skipped over the point that Dwight WANTS TO BE A NET. I'll repeat that just in case you decide to skip that major point again, DWIGHT WANTS TO BE A NET.

The Nets had a better offer than the Knicks did when the Melodrama was going on but the Knicks still acquired Melo because thats where he wanted to be and wanted to sign. The same will go for Dwight.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 04:56 PM
It's like asking a little kid... Who do you wanna play for the Chicago Bull's or the Milwaukee Bucks?

It's every athletes dream to play for a franchise like the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, etc... I don't understand the Net's thing either. Is it because they moved to Brooklyn?

Deron and Dwight are best friends, Brooklyn and its new arena is very attractive, and the chance to become the next big powerhouse in a new/popular city is extremely enticing.

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 04:59 PM
The Magic want nothing to do with any of the nets assets so it's a loss if the Magic trade him to the nets or if they let him walk.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 05:04 PM
The Magic want nothing to do with any of the nets assets so it's a loss if the Magic trade him to the nets or if they let him walk.

So a franchise that looks like it is going into a rebuilding process would want nothing to do with a top 5 center who is only 24, a defense veteran in Gerald Wallace, and oh a few 1st round selections? When Dwight could just walk and they end up with zero? Right...very smart.

championships
05-21-2012, 05:07 PM
No surprise.

KnickFanSince91
05-21-2012, 05:10 PM
So a franchise that looks like it is going into a rebuilding process would want nothing to do with a top 5 center who is only 24, a defense veteran in Gerald Wallace, and oh a few 1st round selections? When Dwight could just walk and they end up with zero? Right...very smart.

Brook Lopez isn't even a Top 5 center in the Eastern Conference. Dude rebounds like a guard.

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 05:12 PM
So a franchise that looks like it is going into a rebuilding process would want nothing to do with a top 5 center who is only 24, a defense veteran in Gerald Wallace, and oh a few 1st round selections? When Dwight could just walk and they end up with zero? Right...very smart.

lol Keep dreaming about that top 5 center in Brook Lopez. The only attractive asset is the Pick, so don't exaggerate anymore.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 05:12 PM
Brook Lopez isn't even a Top 5 center in the Eastern Conference. Dude rebounds like a guard.

:facepalm:

I would respond, but honestly, talking to Knicks fans on PSD gets you nowhere.

LakersA's49ers
05-21-2012, 05:13 PM
Terribly ran organization with an *** of a "superstar" himand D-Will are perfect for each other

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 05:13 PM
I remember at the beginning of the season when everybody here on PSD said Brook Lopez was better than Bynum :laugh:

NYYCowboys
05-21-2012, 05:14 PM
Lakers aren't firing Mike Brown..... He will probably coach the Clippers next year, because the Knicks probably will resign Woodson.

knicks4life33
05-21-2012, 05:14 PM
how is this breaking news ? This is the worst kept secret lol smh change the title

NYYCowboys
05-21-2012, 05:16 PM
Deron and Dwight are best friends, Brooklyn and its new arena is very attractive, and the chance to become the next big powerhouse in a new/popular city is extremely enticing.

Oh please. They moved to Brooklyn and 4 people showed up. I live in the NYC area and am originally from Brooklyn and no one at all cares about the Nets, nor did they ever.

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 05:17 PM
Oh please. They moved to Brooklyn and 4 people showed up. I live in the NYC area and am originally from Brooklyn and no one at all cares about the Nets, nor did they ever.

:ouch:

oak2455
05-21-2012, 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by oak2455
picks which ones?? and Gforce he's a FA why would he reup to be traded to Orlando? and Lopez isn't even running just yet.......also New Gm means hes gonna wanna make his mark......not saying he wont go just you don't have the trade chips as you might think


Hahaha you're funny. Lopez will be fine by
training camp, as reported by multiple sources, GForce can be traded mid season after he signs an extension (like Nene), and last but certainly not least, you completely skipped over the point that Dwight WANTS TO BE A NET. I'll repeat that just in case you decide to skip that major point again, DWIGHT WANTS TO BE A NET.

The Nets had a better offer than the Knicks did when the Melodrama was going on but the Knicks still acquired Melo because thats where he wanted to be and wanted to sign. The same will go for Dwight.
dude your funny you never answered my question......Picks?? where are all these picks?? GForce he will leave if he even thinks that the Nets would deal him....and as for Lopez...... George Lopez is a player than him :D

KnickFanSince91
05-21-2012, 05:22 PM
:facepalm:

I would respond, but honestly, talking to Knicks fans on PSD gets you nowhere.

You can stereotype and :facepalm: all you want but there is easily 5 Centers in the East that are better than Lopez right now:

Howard
Hibbert
Chandler
Horford
Noah

If he was truly a Top 5 guy, D12 would be in brooklyn right now and this thread wouldn't be made since SVG would still have his job.

In 2010-11, Lopez pulled down less rebounds than Wilson Chandler and barely averaged 8 boards the year before. Stop it.

ManRam
05-21-2012, 05:26 PM
Viva La Stan!


Be FREE little bird!! Spread your wings and fly off too a happier and more prosperous place! You deserve it :nod:

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by oak2455
picks which ones?? and Gforce he's a FA why would he reup to be traded to Orlando? and Lopez isn't even running just yet.......also New Gm means hes gonna wanna make his mark......not saying he wont go just you don't have the trade chips as you might think


dude your funny you never answered my question......Picks?? where are all these picks?? GForce he will leave if he even thinks that the Nets would deal him....and as for Lopez...... George Lopez is a player than him :D

Christ... and you still skip the part where I stated that it doesnt matter if teams are offering that much better, he wants to be a Net, just like Melo wanted to be a Knicks, How many ****ing times to I have to repeat that?

Kashmir13579
05-21-2012, 05:28 PM
Please sign him NY :pray:

This would be incredible.

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 05:30 PM
I wonder if Howard was still adamant about being traded to the Nets if the Nets lose Deron in free agency

netsgiantsyanks
05-21-2012, 05:30 PM
Brook Lopez isn't even a Top 5 center in the Eastern Conference. Dude rebounds like a guard.

really? i mean, i can understand that he's over-hyped by some, but his offensive game makes up for him being so inept defensively, in his case.

EDIT: please, let's not make this into a knicks-nets bashing thread. no out of hand ********. plus, given your list, i can agree, he's top 7 at best.

ManRam
05-21-2012, 05:31 PM
Even though I dislike each and everyone of these teams, I hope he lands in LA (either team), NYK or Miami. Miami isn't happening (that would be funny, wouldn't it)...but I think he'd be a great fit for all 4. He deserves the best job available (so long as Phil, or Jerry I guess, don't come out of retirement). He'd improve all 4 teams.

JayW_1023
05-21-2012, 05:34 PM
He could probably start on the Bobcats. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21cE2aUbWB0

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 05:35 PM
You can stereotype and :facepalm: all you want but there is easily 5 Centers in the East that are better than Lopez right now:

Howard
Hibbert
Chandler
Horford
Noah

If he was truly a Top 5 guy, D12 would be in brooklyn right now and this thread wouldn't be made since SVG would still have his job.

In 2010-11, Lopez pulled down less rebounds than Wilson Chandler and barely averaged 8 boards the year before. Stop it.

Lopez had a bad 2010-2011 and last year he was hurt, now all of a sudden he is one of the worst starting centers? Its amazing to me.

While I admit his defense is lacking, his offense is superb, and for a guy who cant rebound its funny how he averaged 8.4 rebounds his first two years, and for his career 7.5. I still think he needs to improve in that department but hasnt had a full year with a consistent team to do so.

Calling him a top 5 center isnt that far off, he averages 17.4 points per game career wise, and is #2 to Bynum (as of now) offensively. Keep in mind he is still 24 and has even more time to round out his game.

I truly believe he can be a 20 point per game and 9-10 rebound per game player, hes not even that far off. Thats certainly someone I'd want on my team if I was rebuilding.

KnickFanSince91
05-21-2012, 05:37 PM
really? i mean, i can understand that he's over-hyped by some, but his offensive game makes up for him being so inept defensively, in his case.

It's not even his defense...it's the fact that he's weak and doesn't hit the boards at all. That's why the Magic balked at any package pitched around him. Dude didn't even have 10 double doubles in his last full season. You have to do at least one other thing besides score if you wanna be in the discussion of Top centers. He can put the ball in the hoop but doesn't give you much else.

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 05:37 PM
really? i mean, i can understand that he's over-hyped by some, but his offensive game makes up for him being so inept defensively, in his case.

EDIT: please, let's not make this into a knicks-nets bashing thread. no out of hand ********.

He's way over hyped by Nets fans, remember at the beginning of the season when Dwight was almost traded to the Lakers or Nets and you Nets fans were saying Brook Lopez was better than Bynum :laugh:

netsgiantsyanks
05-21-2012, 05:38 PM
^basically what this guy is saying. he's not the best center in the world, but let's not discredit him because of his somewhat inept rebounding abilities, the kid is a stud.

Sadds The Gr8
05-21-2012, 05:38 PM
really? i mean, i can understand that he's over-hyped by some, but his offensive game makes up for him being so inept defensively, in his case.

EDIT: please, let's not make this into a knicks-nets bashing thread. no out of hand ********. plus, given your list, i can agree, he's top 7 at best.

I wouldn't say Lopez is top 5...

Howard
Noah
Chandler
Hibbert
Horford
Monroe
Nene
KG? (if u wanna put him as a C now.)

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 05:42 PM
^basically what this guy is saying. he's not the best center in the world, but let's not discredit him because of his somewhat inept rebounding abilities, the kid is a stud.

Who wants a center who rebounds like a guard.

1978JETS
05-21-2012, 05:42 PM
Christ... and you still skip the part where I stated that it doesnt matter if teams are offering that much better, he wants to be a Net, just like Melo wanted to be a Knicks, How many ****ing times to I have to repeat that?

Wait...Why did he sign an extension in Orlando if he wants to play for the Nets so badly?

netsgiantsyanks
05-21-2012, 05:43 PM
It's not even his defense...it's the fact that he's weak and doesn't hit the boards at all. That's why the Magic balked at any package pitched around him. Dude didn't even have 10 double doubles in his last full season. You have to do at least one other thing besides score if you wanna be in the discussion of Top centers. He can put the ball in the hoop but doesn't give you much else.

i can understand where you're coming from, but this is from a guy who watches him every game. his last full season, he lost 30 pounds because of mono and seemed a bit weaker out there, yet was still doing pretty decent. he has a full off-season to rebuild himself and get a little bit better, plus he's going to come back next year hungry. he's going to be a great center when he reaches his peak, barring any injuries.

P.S. he also doesn't try sometimes, because he is mentally fragile, and that **** definitely needs to change.

netsgiantsyanks
05-21-2012, 05:44 PM
Who wants a center who rebounds like a guard.

yes, let's ignore everything i said and go straight to bashing.

ThunderousDemon
05-21-2012, 05:46 PM
yes, let's ignore everything i said and go straight to bashing.

We'll see if he turns out to be any good next season as some of you nets fans claim.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 05:47 PM
Wait...Why did he sign an extension in Orlando if he wants to play for the Nets so badly?

Since when did he sign an extension? If you mean opt in, probably to save face.

Lets not all try and act like he wants nothing to do with the Nets.

KnickFanSince91
05-21-2012, 05:47 PM
Lopez had a bad 2010-2011 and last year he was hurt, now all of a sudden he is one of the worst starting centers? Its amazing to me.

While I admit his defense is lacking, his offense is superb, and for a guy who cant rebound its funny how he averaged 8.4 rebounds his first two years. I still think he needs to improve in that department but hasnt had a full year with a consistent team to do so.

Calling him a top 5 center isnt that far off, he averages 17.4 points per game career wise, and is #2 to Bynum (as of now) offensively. Keep in mind he is still 24 and has even more time to round out his game.

I truly believe he can be a 20 point per game and 9-10 rebound per game player, hes not even that far off. Thats certainly someone I'd want on my team if I was rebuilding.


Why so sensitive? Who said he was one of the worst? I said he wasn't Top 5 in the east and I stand by it. The other 5 guys are legitimately better. Don't front like the scouting report on Lopez coming out wasn't "pro-ready, but not much upside". He's a good player, nothing special and certainly not anything to consider trading somebody like Dwight Howard for. I'm not sure you would even trade David Lee for him right now.

uprightciti
05-21-2012, 05:47 PM
he will head out west to the clippers for sure

iam brett favre
05-21-2012, 05:48 PM
At least they shed the spineless part of the team. Now when get rid of the heartless player, Dwight Howard, they can move forward.

KnickFanSince91
05-21-2012, 05:52 PM
i can understand where you're coming from, but this is from a guy who watches him every game. his last full season, he lost 30 pounds because of mono and seemed a bit weaker out there, yet was still doing pretty decent. he has a full off-season to rebuild himself and get a little bit better, plus he's going to come back next year hungry. he's going to be a great center when he reaches his peak, barring any injuries.

P.S. he also doesn't try sometimes, because he is mentally fragile, and that **** definitely needs to change.

I get YES too and watch a lot of Nets game on replay. He only rebounds when he really has to and it just doesn't seem interesting to him. Since Hump came over, Brook doesn't even try to hit the glass. He's not the most athletic guy but the way he boxes out makes Amare look like Barkley.

netsgiantsyanks
05-21-2012, 05:53 PM
I get YES too and watch a lot of Nets game on replay. He only rebounds when he really has to and it just doesn't seem interesting to him. Since Hump came over, Brook doesn't even try to hit the glass. He's not the most athletic guy but the way he boxes out makes Amare look like Barkley.

that was what the PS was for, i don't disagree in that aspect.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 05:55 PM
Why so sensitive? Who said he was one of the worst? I said he wasn't Top 5 in the east and I stand by it. The other 5 guys are legitimately better. Don't front like the scouting report on Lopez coming out wasn't "pro-ready, but not much upside". He's a good player, nothing special and certainly not anything to consider trading somebody like Dwight Howard for. I'm not sure you would even trade David Lee for him right now.

I'm not sensitive on the issue, more so dumbfounded as to how people hate on Lopez.

What it all comes down to is this, and I will just have to keep repeating it I guess. Dwight wants to be a Net and the Magic want something for the better of both teams, I dont see how its so outlandish to get a package of Brook Lopez, (I'll even take out Wallace) Marshon Brooks, and picks for someone who might just leave in the off-season anyway. I dont think Orlando wants to go through another Shaq incident.

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 06:09 PM
Who wants a center who rebounds like a guard.

Who wants the best C in the league if he wont sign there?

5ass
05-21-2012, 06:10 PM
Dwight is only using his trade demand so that he can light a fire under management's *** like Kobe did when the lakers traded for Pau. :p

:clap: thank you dwight.

KnickFanSince91
05-21-2012, 06:12 PM
I'm not sensitive on the issue, more so dumbfounded as to how people hate on Lopez.

What it all comes down to is this, and I will just have to keep repeating it I guess. Dwight wants to be a Net and the Magic want something for the better of both teams, I dont see how its so outlandish to get a package of Brook Lopez, (I'll even take out Wallace) Marshon Brooks, and picks for someone who might just leave in the off-season anyway. I dont think Orlando wants to go through another Shaq incident.

Because you're only looking at it from a Nets fan's perspective. How does that help Orlando? If they give you Dwight and the Nets become a playoff team, those picks become low first rounders and less valuable to a team that's rebuilding.

They have him under contract for next year so they have some options. With the new CBA, $19 million in cap relief is much better for a rebuilding squad than taking back contracts and players just to say they got something.

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 06:14 PM
It's like asking a little kid... Who do you wanna play for the Chicago Bull's or the Milwaukee Bucks?

It's every athletes dream to play for a franchise like the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, etc... I don't understand the Net's thing either. Is it because they moved to Brooklyn?

Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner. Pat yourself on the back...

Seriously does ANYONE think we would even be having this conversation if the Nets werent moving to Brooklyn?

RaiderLakersA's
05-21-2012, 06:17 PM
We all knew SVG was a goner. The question is where will he coach next year.

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 06:18 PM
So a franchise that looks like it is going into a rebuilding process would want nothing to do with a top 5 center who is only 24, a defense veteran in Gerald Wallace, and oh a few 1st round selections? When Dwight could just walk and they end up with zero? Right...very smart.

Lopez is NOT a top 5 C, and the Nets only have the 57th pick in the draft as of now..

Irrelevant because Lopez is better than letting Dwight just walk regardless of what fans think.

JOhnnyTHaJet
05-21-2012, 06:20 PM
Because you're only looking at it from a Nets fan's perspective. How does that help Orlando? If they give you Dwight and the Nets become a playoff team, those picks become low first rounders and less valuable to a team that's rebuilding.

They have him under contract for next year so they have some options. With the new CBA, $19 million in cap relief is much better for a rebuilding squad than taking back contracts and players just to say they got something.

I get all that, and 19 million is great, but who are they attracting? Who would want to sign with Orlando with basically Glen Davis and Ryan Anderson headlining their roster? I'm not sure anyone.

Getting a young up and coming Center and Shooting Guard is a lot better than courting some sub 500 team with cap space.

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 06:22 PM
Oh please. They moved to Brooklyn and 4 people showed up. I live in the NYC area and am originally from Brooklyn and no one at all cares about the Nets, nor did they ever.

Your stating this with your Knicks fans shades on, not as a Brooklynite. Every person that ive spoken from Brooklyn except maybe one say that Brooklyn will absolutely love the Nets

ManRam
05-21-2012, 06:25 PM
Remind me why we're talking about Brook Lopez? Couldn't we repeat that tired story somewhere else?

Last I checked the topic of this thread was Orlando, Stan and Otis...not Brook Lopez...

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 06:29 PM
I wonder if Howard was still adamant about being traded to the Nets if the Nets lose Deron in free agency

Thats kind of the point. They want to and likely have agreed to play together. If Deron doesnt resign (there is no indication this will happen as everything he has done to this point suggests he will resign) Dwight to the Nets wouldnt even be discussed.

BobbyHillSwag
05-21-2012, 06:32 PM
damn orlando got hit with that 2 for 1 special

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 06:32 PM
It's not even his defense...it's the fact that he's weak and doesn't hit the boards at all. That's why the Magic balked at any package pitched around him. Dude didn't even have 10 double doubles in his last full season. You have to do at least one other thing besides score if you wanna be in the discussion of Top centers. He can put the ball in the hoop but doesn't give you much else.

The Magic didnt balk at anything. What is your source? Dwight Howard extended his contract cuz at that point the Nets were unlikely to make the playoffs. Stop spewing garbage.

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 06:35 PM
Dwight is only using his trade demand so that he can light a fire under management's *** like Kobe did when the lakers traded for Pau. :p

:clap: thank you dwight.

Not sure if serious...

WaltonSystem
05-21-2012, 06:38 PM
How exactly does losing a coach & gm help the matters at all?
Now Orlando goes into the offseason without a Gm or a coaching system to base their free agency/draft on?
Smart. :clap:

Super.
05-21-2012, 06:39 PM
Dwight wins. It'll be a real shame when he leaves

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 06:41 PM
Remind me why we're talking about Brook Lopez? Couldn't we repeat that tired story somewhere else?

Last I checked the topic of this thread was Orlando, Stan and Otis...not Brook Lopez...

Here is why:

1. Dwight wanting out of ORL is the obvious elephant in the room in this discussion and it would only be logical that people would discuss it.

2. Dwight wants to be a Net per almost every respectable writer.

3. For whatever reason, this seems to get Lakers, Bulls, and especially Knicks fans riled up for some reason which prompts them to quickly bring up Brook Lopez and his deficiencies.

4. Nets fans then feel the need to defend him for whatever reason.

Cause and effect, sadly.

D12 fan
05-21-2012, 06:51 PM
At least we don't have to see Orlando 3pt chucking system,the next coach will feed the ball to Dwight if he's still in Orlando.

IversonIsKrazy
05-21-2012, 06:55 PM
This was dumb. Dwight leaving regardless, why give up one of the better coaches u can get?

Gram
05-21-2012, 06:56 PM
Please sign him NY :pray:

With what money?

Punk
05-21-2012, 06:57 PM
It's like asking a little kid... Who do you wanna play for the Chicago Bull's or the Milwaukee Bucks?

It's every athletes dream to play for a franchise like the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, etc... I don't understand the Net's thing either. Is it because they moved to Brooklyn?

Dwight wants to be what Ewing is to the Knicks and what MJ is to the Bulls and what Kareem is to the Lakers. He wants to be face of a franchise in a major market.

I'm pretty sure he's thinking he could win championships in NY and be bigger than anyone.

I'm also sure he saw what Paul did for the Clippers and figures him and Deron can do it for the Nets.

daboywonder2002
05-21-2012, 06:58 PM
i know its florida and all. but what coach would want to deal with all this headache. last thing i would want as a coach is another byron scott situation. not knowing if your star player is in or out.

Punk
05-21-2012, 07:02 PM
D'antoni will enjoy coaching Brook Lopez and Marshon Brooks. Both don't defend or rebound.

oak2455
05-21-2012, 07:07 PM
With what money?

SVG I think they can sign him:D

Chill_Will_24
05-21-2012, 07:12 PM
D'antoni will enjoy coaching Brook Lopez and Marshon Brooks. Both don't defend or rebound.

Quite clever of you sir...

Punk
05-21-2012, 07:14 PM
SVG is a good coach but no thanks. Don't want any new coaches in NY until proven otherwise.

Corey
05-21-2012, 07:17 PM
Nope, what are you basing that off of. SVG has done more with less. Plus Doc wasn't in Orlando that long

Common sense.

Doc Rivers is a better coach than Van Gundy.

onlythisfar41
05-21-2012, 07:20 PM
Not smart but had to be done if you wanted to keep Dwight.


Dwight you are a big dick hole moron, just incase you read this forum and were curious about what I think of you.

heattiltheend94
05-21-2012, 07:25 PM
this is so stupid. Van gundy was one of the best coaches in the league (well atleast top 5 imo). they will regret this.

MagicHero3
05-21-2012, 07:59 PM
has it occurred to any of u that stan isn't THAT good of a coach? sure, he preaches defense and is witty with the media... but I've said it once ill say it again... horrible offensive game plan. never plays the young guys. as shaq said, "prisoner of chaos"... in the clutch, who was getting the ball? oh, HEDO?? please. you guys will see wherever he goes he'll be overrated. he's an awesome guy, but he's not a top 10 coach.

D12 fan
05-21-2012, 08:01 PM
LMAO why is everybody praising SVG as a great coach,the reason the had success was because of Dwight,if he was so great of a coach he would have led the Magic past the 1rd in the playoffs,he had success because of Dwight,take Dwight off the Magic they wouldn't have made the playoffs this year.

ManRam
05-21-2012, 08:27 PM
LMAO why is everybody praising SVG as a great coach,the reason the had success was because of Dwight,if he was so great of a coach he would have led the Magic past the 1rd in the playoffs,he had success because of Dwight,take Dwight off the Magic they wouldn't have made the playoffs this year.

Ignorance, it is bliss.


You're a Magic fan...right? I mean, I know you're a Dwight fan first and foremost...and that's probably skewing your ability to reason. But I don't know how it's possible to watch that team the past 5 years and no just be in love with his coaching.

No **** Dwight helped a TON. Is Phil Jackson a bad coach because MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe and Pau made him look so good? Is Doc Rivers a bad coach because he never really had success until Boston got the Big 3-4? You gotta coach what you got, and he did a great job with that.

Knocking him for not beating this Indy team without Dwight is a joke. It does show how important Dwight it, but you're expecting something to happen that I don't think any coach in the league could have made happen.

MagicBucsSox
05-21-2012, 08:50 PM
Common sense.

Doc Rivers is a better coach than Van Gundy.

No the hell he is not. It's funny how ppl forget prior to kg & ray went to Boston that stadium was empty and Doc was on the chop block. They had the 5th pick in that draft FOR A REASON.
SVG built up Dwight and th boys, he wasn't given anything

LOOTERX9
05-21-2012, 08:51 PM
Not smart but had to be done if you wanted to keep Dwight.


Dwight you are a big dick hole moron, just incase you read this forum and were curious about what I think of you.


They should have let Howard go instead. He's a big baby and does not want to be in orlando. If his heart is not in it to play hard and go all out than why would orlando want him to stay and half *** it out there?

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 08:53 PM
Got Miami within 1 win of the NBA Finals in their first season with Shaq and Dwade (and this was with the supporting cast of Eddie Jones, Damon Jones and Udonis Haslem). That was before they got Zo back along with GP, Toine, Posey and Kapono.


Then got Orlando to the NBA finals, overing the Cleveland LeBron (who had the best record that season and league MVP) without their starting PG Jameer Nelson and got that team to the NBA Finals, Also helped win a game 7 on the road @ Boston in the semis.


I'd say SVG has done a pretty good job that most coaches.

MagicBucsSox
05-21-2012, 08:56 PM
Got Miami within 1 win of the NBA Finals in their first season with Shaq and Dwade (and this was with the supporting cast of Eddie Jones, Damon Jones and Udonis Haslem). That was before they got Zo back along with GP, Toine, Posey and Kapono.


Then got Orlando to the NBA finals, overing the Cleveland LeBron (who had the best record that season and league MVP) without their starting PG Jameer Nelson and got that team to the NBA Finals, Also helped win a game 7 on the road @ Boston in the semis.


I'd say SVG has done a pretty good job that most coaches.

And no one mentions ease & shaq both were injured badly that game 7

D12 fan
05-21-2012, 08:58 PM
Ignorance, it is bliss.


You're a Magic fan...right? I mean, I know you're a Dwight fan first and foremost...and that's probably skewing your ability to reason. But I don't know how it's possible to watch that team the past 5 years and no just be in love with his coaching.

No **** Dwight helped a TON. Is Phil Jackson a bad coach because MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe and Pau made him look so good? Is Doc Rivers a bad coach because he never really had success until Boston got the Big 3-4? You gotta coach what you got, and he did a great job with that.

Knocking him for not beating this Indy team without Dwight is a joke. It does show how important Dwight it, but you're expecting something to happen that I don't think any coach in the league could have made happen.

Im not saying he isn't a good coach,im saying everybody is praising him like he's a elite coach,he hasn't even won a championship.

His 3pt system was the reason why Orlando blew so many big leads during his tenure as Orlando's coach.It's a great system when your nailing your shots,but as the slogan goes you don't live by jumpers you die by jumpers.Orlando always had a great regular season record but they always struggled in the playoffs vs Boston,and the 1 time we got to the finals in 08 was because KG was hurt,and we faced a 1 man show with Lebron in Cleveland,and the Lakers beat us in 5 games.Ever since then we have been declining,it was time for Stan to go anyway.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 09:10 PM
Im not saying he isn't a good coach,im saying everybody is praising him like he's a elite coach,he hasn't even won a championship.

His 3pt system was the reason why Orlando blew so many big leads during his tenure as Orlando's coach.It's a great system when your nailing your shots,but as the slogan goes you don't live by jumpers you die by jumpers.Orlando always had a great regular season record but they always struggled in the playoffs vs Boston,and the 1 time we got to the finals in 08 was because KG was hurt,and we faced a 1 man show with Lebron in Cleveland,and the Lakers beat us in 5 games.Ever since then we have been declining,it was time for Stan to go anyway.

Only 3 active coaches have won a championship. Pop, Doc and Carlisle.


So saying that SVG doesn't have chips isn't a good argument when 26 guys besides him don't have one either.


It's not Stan's fault that the team regressed since the 09 Finals. It was management's fault.


Turkoglu besides Jameer was their best ballhandler and distributor, and the team's best shooters and probably most clutch players in crunchtime. Magic FO didn't want to pay him the $$$, so they did S&T to Toronto, then he was traded to PHX, and then traded back to Orlando. It's so stupid because they ended up with the same player and contract if they were to just outright sign him and kept him in the 2009 summer. In the process to get Turkoglu, they gave up a very quickly developing Gortat when they could have had both. They got Turkoglu when he became a journeyman for a yr and a half and was bounced around and had become washed up and lost his confidence. MISTAKE!!!!


Then, after just 1 season (rookie yr), they gave up on their starting 2 guard, Courtney Lee, who played damn well for Orlando. He could have been a great prospect for Orlando going forward. MISTAKE!!!!


They decided not to bring back Rafer to back up Jameer when Jameer got healthy for the following season. MISTAKE!!!!



Last summer, traded away Brandon Bass for FAT BABY! MISTAKE!!!!


Front office ****ed up, not SVG! He did the best he could, but it wasn't his fault that the team digressed when you bring in dead weight bad contracts like VC and Gilbert and in the process of getting Gilbert, losing a shooter like Rashard Lewis.


Besides Dwight, the other 4 starters of the 09 finals (Lewis, Turk, Lee, Alston) are all gone.

mgsports
05-21-2012, 09:21 PM
Phil Jackson?
Sam Mitchell?
Jerry Sloan?
Billy D. the Gators Coach again?
Bob Hill?
Nick Anderson?
Penny Hardaway?
Dennis Scott?

MagicHero3
05-21-2012, 09:22 PM
did stan have a hand in any of those bad trades? does anyone know?

UPRock
05-21-2012, 09:30 PM
Stan Van Gundy is my favorite coach, I think he ends up on the Clippers.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-21-2012, 09:33 PM
Stan Van Gundy is my favorite coach, I think he ends up on the Clippers.

I totally agree. VDN is on his way out.

torocan
05-21-2012, 09:44 PM
Sad for SVG. I enjoyed that he was honest, even if it wasn't always politically correct.

Serious implications for the Eastern Conference.

If the Magic loses Dwight to the Nets, they've lose a top center AND the Nets are a very short distance to a serious playoff contender.

If the Magic re-sign Dwight and sign DWill, the Magic is back on the map as a serious playoff contender and the Nets now go on a hunting trip for Marquee stars, various FA's and a PG.

I can see either the Magic or Nets bidding up the market for guys like Nash, Dragic, and Lin.

Messy.

PAOboston
05-21-2012, 09:46 PM
otis smith should have been fired a long time ago.

svg is a pretty good coach. he'll catch on somewhere.

StinkEye
05-21-2012, 10:08 PM
Nobody wins :shrug:

StinkEye
05-21-2012, 10:09 PM
Phil Jackson?
Sam Mitchell?
Jerry Sloan?
Billy D. the Gators Coach again?
Bob Hill?
Nick Anderson?
Penny Hardaway?
Dennis Scott?

Stay away from Smitch. Penny would be an awful idea.

ChicagoFan4Eva
05-22-2012, 01:13 AM
SVG to the nets maybe? haha then howard gets traded there too..

rapjuicer06
05-22-2012, 09:22 AM
Stan Van Gundy was one hell of a coach. Firing him was stupid and pointless. Otis is who screwed the team up, not Stan.

Like someone previously said, our GM let Turk go, then traded away our best trade asset in Gortat and our huge expiring contract in Carter and a first round pick for him and Jrich...Flat out ********. Golden State, Houston, Minnesota, Portland were all teams in need of a center that Orland could have traded with, but no. They had to trade Gortat and a first round pick to get back the guy who has bounced from a couple teams when they could have had him from the get go. That is all Otis dumbass Smith. Ryan Anderson was a good get for him, I'll give him that...but Glenn Davis, Earl Clark, Hedo (2nd time around) Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon, Brandon Bass......how in the hell do you win with that crap? How are those good players to bring in?

rapjuicer06
05-22-2012, 09:23 AM
Only 3 active coaches have won a championship. Pop, Doc and Carlisle.


So saying that SVG doesn't have chips isn't a good argument when 26 guys besides him don't have one either.


It's not Stan's fault that the team regressed since the 09 Finals. It was management's fault.


Turkoglu besides Jameer was their best ballhandler and distributor, and the team's best shooters and probably most clutch players in crunchtime. Magic FO didn't want to pay him the $$$, so they did S&T to Toronto, then he was traded to PHX, and then traded back to Orlando. It's so stupid because they ended up with the same player and contract if they were to just outright sign him and kept him in the 2009 summer. In the process to get Turkoglu, they gave up a very quickly developing Gortat when they could have had both. They got Turkoglu when he became a journeyman for a yr and a half and was bounced around and had become washed up and lost his confidence. MISTAKE!!!!


Then, after just 1 season (rookie yr), they gave up on their starting 2 guard, Courtney Lee, who played damn well for Orlando. He could have been a great prospect for Orlando going forward. MISTAKE!!!!


They decided not to bring back Rafer to back up Jameer when Jameer got healthy for the following season. MISTAKE!!!!



Last summer, traded away Brandon Bass for FAT BABY! MISTAKE!!!!


Front office ****ed up, not SVG! He did the best he could, but it wasn't his fault that the team digressed when you bring in dead weight bad contracts like VC and Gilbert and in the process of getting Gilbert, losing a shooter like Rashard Lewis.


Besides Dwight, the other 4 starters of the 09 finals (Lewis, Turk, Lee, Alston) are all gone.

Lee For Anderson was a pretty good deal

Da Knicks
05-22-2012, 09:54 AM
haha. In all honesty SVG is overrated by some here. He doesnt have a good offense, he doesnt have the respect of his players, he doesnt play young guys...
Im not saying SVG is a bad coach, i just think he's a bit overrated.
Otis will make ur owner broke in 2 years.

This i wouldnt be shocked if Howard is traded for Amare at the end of next season. SVG is very overrated and i for one want no part with him in New York. Let him join his brother in the booth, that i would like to see...

cwesleyf
05-22-2012, 10:17 AM
If the Nets don't end up with one of the first 3 lottery picks I think it is unlikely Dwight ends up being traded to Brooklyn. No way Orlando trades Dwight to New York for Amare, his salary is too large for an ageing, declining superstar. Orlando would prefer to send Dwight out west if they are forced to trade him.

todu82
05-22-2012, 10:22 AM
Bad decision by the Magic. Van Gundy should have another job by the end of June.

rapjuicer06
05-22-2012, 01:09 PM
Bad decision by the Magic. Van Gundy should have another job by the end of June.

Agreed. Van Gundy is one hell of a coach.

Houston or the Warriors would be much more attractive team to trade with than the Knicks

Pierzynski4Prez
05-22-2012, 01:22 PM
This i wouldnt be shocked if Howard is traded for Amare at the end of next season. SVG is very overrated and i for one want no part with him in New York. Let him join his brother in the booth, that i would like to see...

I think the rest of the world would be. Amare's contract is a step backwards for a team that is going to try to rebuild.

rapjuicer06
05-22-2012, 01:32 PM
Lets say for Orlando that Nelson opts out of his contract and they don't bring Redick back. They then trade Dwight and Hedo to the Warriors for Bogut/Thompson and their first round pick. Orlando then takes Kendall Marshall with the Warriors pick and with they own take someone like Royce White (huge homer for this guy). They then resign Anderson.

FA/Marshall
Thompson/Richardson
White/Q-Rich
Anderson/Davis
Bogut/Orton

While that team isn't instant contention, it has a lot of potential and is still probably a playoff team. Andre Miller or Raymond Felton could be brought in to run the point while Marshall gets a grasp for it all. That'd be pretty decent and I wouldn't entirely mind it either

Wrigheyes4MVP
05-22-2012, 01:49 PM
I hope SVG joins his bother in the announcing booth.

Imagine that! LOL

rapjuicer06
05-22-2012, 02:48 PM
Both of them taking turns ripping on Stern. That'd be hilarious

Stinkyoutsider
05-22-2012, 03:48 PM
Wow, so Howard got his way. I don't believe the Magic CEO saying that Dwight had no input into the decision. Of course he did. He's the franchise player and fills up your stadium every year (which in turn makes the Magic money). He wanted to make Howard happy and stay but it backfired on him because I heard Howard still wants to skip town.

The Magic have no choice but to start over but they want to keep a competitive veteran team to help fill out the stadium and pay bills. I bet the Magic are kicking themselves for not taking an offer from the Bulls? They could possibly take Deng, Noah, Gibson, and a high draft pick (from the Bobcats) to start.