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ManRam
05-20-2012, 11:26 AM
EASTERN CONFERENCE SEMIFINALS: GAME 4



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Location: Bankers Life Fieldhouse
Time: 3:30 PM
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Dade County
05-20-2012, 11:30 AM
lets get this series over with already ... lol

HEAT need to come out strong and even more importantly, finish strong.

Avenged
05-20-2012, 11:30 AM
Can the Pacers shock the world and go up 3-1? They're going to have to imo. They need to go back to Miami with home court.

tcav701
05-20-2012, 11:31 AM
The Heat have to win this game by at least 15 or I think they are done.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 11:41 AM
I don't think at this point it would be shocking. 7 days ago, yeah...but honestly, the Pacers should be favored today. I expect them to win.


Wade HAS to bounce back. We know LeBron will be fine...but Wade has to be huge. Efficient and explosive.


The most simple quick fix is getting the supporting cast to hit some threes. That's really all you can reasonably expect from them these days. They have to hit the open looks...and they're getting TONS of them.

justinnum1
05-20-2012, 11:55 AM
The Heat have to win this game by at least 15 or I think they are done.

Actually they just need to win the game.

tcav701
05-20-2012, 11:58 AM
Actually they just need to win the game.

They need their swag back.

Indiana punched them in the mouth and caused everyone except Chalmers to quit Thursday.

If Miami has a shot they need to hit back hard. It's all about momentum.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 12:05 PM
Nah. They just need to win. A win is a win. I close win, maybe a late comeback, probably provides as much momentum as a blowout...probably more actually.

Win, and it's all even...and home court is regained. The Heat then go home and just have to handle their business there, and they'll be fine.

But it is a must win...and it doesn't matter at this point HOW they win, they just need to find a way to get it done.

How it gets done (simplistic speak):

1. LeBron keeps doing what he's been doing (best player in the playoffs thus far).
2. Wade has to bounce back. Doesn't need to drop 35, he just needs to make a lot more shots at a much more efficient rate.
3. There needs to be a third option established. Whether it's Chalmers, Miller, Haslem or whoever, someone needs to score 15 or so points, just to keep the defense a little bit honest.
4. Most importantly, and most simply, the supporting cast has to make some open threes. 0-6 in game 1. 1-16 in game 2. 4-20 in game 3. It's such an easy way to find improvement. That's 5-42 shooting from three. That's 12% shooting :laugh2: Get that to even 30% and they're going to be much improved.


I think all three are doable. I'm most concerned with Wade...but I have an inkling he'll bounce back. #3 is also a wildcard. They got it from Mario in game 3...but unfortunately he wasn't being the third option, he was being the second option...and Wade wasn't even a decent 3rd option. Get three scoring threats, hit open threes, and let LeBron carry them, and they can win.

Mell413
05-20-2012, 12:06 PM
The Heat have to win this game by at least 15 or I think they are done.

They just need to win whether it's by 1 or by 20. Wins are wins at this point. You don't need style points at this point in the season

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 12:10 PM
I think Heat win big today,I expect Lebron/Wade to step up and take over the game early,I can't see Miami getting bounced in the 2nd round,it will be a rough offseason if they lose this series.

jp611
05-20-2012, 12:15 PM
If Heat win today they win the series... I think they will pull off a close win today... I hope I'm wrong but I see Wade bouncing back with a good game

JWO35
05-20-2012, 12:16 PM
LeBron James announces his retirement during half-time....

Rivera
05-20-2012, 12:20 PM
Im not trying to disrespect indy but i honestly feel even if Indy wins this game Miami still can win the series even down 3-1

I hope the pacers do win this game ad eventually the series

PacersForLife
05-20-2012, 12:21 PM
Everybody expected LeBron and Wade to have a big game last game and that didn't happen. I'm more afraid of that happening this game, but who knows. We'll have to wait and see.

PacersForLife
05-20-2012, 12:23 PM
Im not trying to disrespect indy but i honestly feel even if Indy wins this game Miami still can win the series even down 3-1

I hope the pacers do win this game ad eventually the series

If the Heat lose today I think they'll definitely win game 5, but they'll lose the series. It would be hard for even them to come back from down 3-1.

Weezy
05-20-2012, 12:25 PM
This is gonna be a good ****en game. Pacers will be tested cause I actually see Wade coming out strong......if he doesn't well?

torocan
05-20-2012, 12:30 PM
Must win for Miami in my view.

No knock on the skills of Wade and Lebron, but I just don't think they have the mental toughness to engineer a 3-1 comeback.

Lebron is great, but he's still soft when the pressure is really on. That doesn't mean he's not great, he's just not the guy who will rally a team from deep in the hole.

And Wade can't do it by himself if Lebron's gut check fails.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 12:34 PM
Must win for Miami in my view.

No knock on the skills of Wade and Lebron, but I just don't think they have the mental toughness to engineer a 3-1 comeback.

Lebron is great, but he's still soft when the pressure is really on. That doesn't mean he's not great, he's just not the guy who will rally a team from deep in the hole.

And Wade can't do it by himself if Lebron's gut check fails.

LeBron has been the best scorer in the playoffs in late and close situations (a minute left, one possession game).


Wade will bounce back. LeBron and Wade will do their thing. All they need is help. It's that simple. The team has shot 12% from three...they can add an easy 9-12 points a game just by shooting a halfway decent percent from three. They get one more player who is making shots (like Chalmers in game 3), and they can make HUGE improvements just like that. They haven't had a game all series where they've had a legit third option or a decent night from three.

They get Battier/Miller etc to hit the WIDE OPEN threes they're getting, and they have a decent third option, they can win these games. Problem is, they haven't had either.

torocan
05-20-2012, 12:38 PM
LeBron has been the best scorer in the playoffs in late and close situations (a minute left, one possession game).


Or I could just point out these stats...

In the final 5 minutes of games, Lebron is actually not very clutch at all. His FG% drops from 53 to 45%. Yes, defenses crunching down can account for some of that, BUT his FT shooting ALSO drops from to 77% to 71% in the last 5 minutes. http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIA8.HTM

Clutch is more than the last possession. It's what you do for those final minutes as well. If you blow a lead and take it down to 1 possession, you screwed up even if you make the last shot.

Lebron is Great, but he's not "Clutch" other than his raw skill gives him a good chance to actually bury the last shot.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 12:40 PM
Or I could just point out these stats...

In the final 5 minutes of games, Lebron is actually not very clutch at all. His FG% drops from 53 to 45%. Yes, defenses crunching down can account for some of that, BUT his FT shooting ALSO drops from to 77% to 71% in the last 5 minutes. http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIA8.HTM

Clutch is more than the last possession. It's what you do for those final minutes as well. If you blow a lead and take it down to 1 possession, you screwed up even if you make the last shot.

Lebron is Great, but he's not "Clutch" other than his raw skill gives him a good chance to actually bury the last shot.

Everyone's FG dips in the clutch though. Kobe shoots 30% for his career in the clutch, but he's considered one of the best ever. Find me a player that actually makes a higher percentage of his shots in the clutch. You won't find a single star (I don't think).

45% is DAMN GOOD :laugh2: Seriously though...that's incredibly impressive. Nothing to be used against him. Actually, that strengthen's my case.

I know it's more than last possession. Hell, if you broaden it to the 4th quarter...well...he's the best 4th quarter player in the NBA.

torocan
05-20-2012, 12:57 PM
Everyone's FG dips in the clutch though. Kobe shoots 30% for his career in the clutch, but he's considered one of the best ever. Find me a player that actually makes a higher percentage of his shots in the clutch. You won't find a single star (I don't think).

45% is DAMN GOOD :laugh2: Seriously though...that's incredibly impressive. Nothing to be used against him. Actually, that strengthen's my case.

I know it's more than last possession. Hell, if you broaden it to the 4th quarter...well...he's the best 4th quarter player in the NBA.

All 5 of the following players increase either FG or FT% in the last 5 minutes of the game.

Kevin Durant
49.6% to 39.2% FG%
86.0% to 88.1% FT

Russell Westbrook
45.7% to 42% FG%
82.3% to 92% FT

Tony Parker
48.0% to 43.9% FG%
79.9% to 90.6% FT

Paul Pierce
44.3% to 51.0% FG%
85.2% to 75.8% FT

Jeremy Lin
44.6% to 37.5% FG%
79.8% to 88.9% FT%

Those were based off names I pulled off the top of my head. I'm sure the list of players that improve at least in 1 category is actually significantly larger if I actually put a search engine to it.

And Paul Pierce's FG% actually improves significantly.

Lebron gets measurably worse in both.

nycericanguy
05-20-2012, 01:05 PM
^ you're reaching at straws man, all you're showing is Lebron has a higher clutch FG% than most everyone except Pierce... yet you're arguing the opposite?

45% late in 4th is pretty damn impressive if you ask me.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 01:10 PM
All 5 of the following players increase either FG or FT% in the last 5 minutes of the game.

Kevin Durant
49.6% to 39.2% FG%
86.0% to 88.1% FT

Russell Westbrook
45.7% to 42% FG%
82.3% to 92% FT

Tony Parker
48.0% to 43.9% FG%
79.9% to 90.6% FT

Paul Pierce
44.3% to 51.0% FG%
85.2% to 75.8% FT

Jeremy Lin
44.6% to 37.5% FG%
79.8% to 88.9% FT%

Those were based off names I pulled off the top of my head. I'm sure the list of players that improve at least in 1 category is actually significantly larger if I actually put a search engine to it.

And Paul Pierce's FG% actually improves significantly.

Lebron gets measurably worse in both.

You're reaching here. Hell, you're making my case that 45% in the clutch is DAMN good.

OK. LeBron isn't clutch at the FT line this year, in fact, he's been AWFUL. I don't disagree.

But throughout his career, he's actually been very "clutch" at the FT line. I mean, between 2009 and 2010 he made 20 straight free throws (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/4475/lebrons-rare-clutch-missed-free-throw) during the final minute in close games. I remember at the time that ESPN said that was a record. He, for his career, shoots higher from the line in "clutch" (5 minutes, 5 points) than he does else wise.

Yes. This season he's been horrific...but sample size.


But my point about him shooting in the clutch remains. He's as efficient as just about anyone in the league in the clutch when it comes to shot making. He's been the most efficient scorer in the final minute of close games these playoffs. I know that "clutch" is more than that...but even if you keep bumping the time back, well, that's helping LeBron's case since he's never had problems really in his career in the 4th as a whole...it's last second shots, and now FTs, that have been his "problem".

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 01:20 PM
whoever wins this game wins the series imo.

torocan
05-20-2012, 01:21 PM
^ you're reaching at straws man, all you're showing is Lebron has a higher clutch FG% than most everyone except Pierce... yet you're arguing the opposite?

45% late in 4th is pretty damn impressive if you ask me.

No, I'm not. I said he scores the most in the clutch because of his Raw Skill which is true.

That's NOT the same as being a "clutch" player. Clutch players get focussed and IMPROVE in some aspect under pressure. That's not Lebron. IE, he's the best shooter on the team IN SPITE of choking. If he wasn't as great as he is, no team in their right mind would give him the ball in the last 5 minutes because you KNOW he'll underperform.

Say what you will, but that's the stats. It doesn't mean he's still not the best shooting option on Miami, he is. Wade regresses even MORE than Lebron if you can believe it ... 49.7% to 42.2% FG% and 79.1% to 66.7% FT%. (Seriously, don't let Wade shoot a FT in the last 5 minutes. Really. Just don't do it.)

How would YOU explain his drop in FT% in the last 5 minutes? Other players played the same 43 minutes. They're just as tired. Yet their FT% goes up. And in Pierce's case his FG% actually goes up.

So, if you define "clutch" as the last 5 minutes of the game (82 games definition), then Lebron isn't really all that "clutch". He's still usually the best player on the floor despite his mental lapses, but he's not #1 choice of NBA players that I would trust handing the game keys over in the last 5 minutes, especially if I think he's going to get fouled intentionally.

**Honestly, I don't buy the "it's just this season" argument. He's not a young and upcoming player, and he's certainly not getting any younger. I'd argue his best days are behind him. He's most likely not going to be the Lebron of seasons past for long, if at all. And every time he doesn't win the championships, it's not exactly going to help his mental game in the Clutch either.

SeoulBeatz
05-20-2012, 01:22 PM
lets get this series over with already ... lol

HEAT need to come out strong and even more importantly, finish strong.

uh, you mean "let's get back in this series?"

I think you have to be ahead to say "let's get it over with".

MJ-BULLS
05-20-2012, 01:35 PM
must win game for the heat. if the pacers win this, its going to be real hard for mia to come back and take this.

Yankee Clipper
05-20-2012, 01:53 PM
Should be a great game. I still like Indiana at home so I'll take them.

jp611
05-20-2012, 02:02 PM
Man, can't wait for this game... Should be a good one

ManRam
05-20-2012, 02:05 PM
whoever wins this game wins the series imo.

Even if Miami wins, Indy can still win this thing.

Hell, even if Indy wins, Miami still would have 2 games at home..stranger things have happened.

It is a crucial game though...but I don't think it's completely absolute.

Davidgta1
05-20-2012, 02:17 PM
I'm more then sure wade will kill it tonight.

davids22
05-20-2012, 02:17 PM
ManRam is the only sensible person when it comes to taking serious about the Heat. Everyone likes to bark at Lebron and blame him for the losses when he's arguably the best player in the post season thus far. Respect for ManRam defending a player/team that isn't even his own. Must get difficult!

Back to the game:

It's a must-win for the Heat. Are they the type of team that can win 3 in a row? Sure, but with momentum on the Pacers side, it will be tough.

It's definitely not panic mode for the Heat though. They win today, they get homecourt back, and all is well in Heat nation. Wade NEEDS to bounce back. He doesn't even need to go off for 40, he just needs to make 45% of his shots instead of 10%. Chalmers stepped up last time which helped but you can't depend on that. If the Heat can hit 35% of their 3's like a normal team does, Wade is consistent, and Lebron is Lebron, then the Heat can pull this off.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 02:25 PM
ManRam is the only sensible person when it comes to taking serious about the Heat. Everyone likes to bark at Lebron and blame him for the losses when he's arguably the best player in the post season thus far. Respect for ManRam defending a player/team that isn't even his own. Must get difficult!

Back to the game:

It's a must-win for the Heat. Are they the type of team that can win 3 in a row? Sure, but with momentum on the Pacers side, it will be tough.

It's definitely not panic mode for the Heat though. They win today, they get homecourt back, and all is well in Heat nation. Wade NEEDS to bounce back. He doesn't even need to go off for 40, he just needs to make 45% of his shots instead of 10%. Chalmers stepped up last time which helped but you can't depend on that. If the Heat can hit 35% of their 3's like a normal team does, Wade is consistent, and Lebron is Lebron, then the Heat can pull this off.

The narrative just leads to misinterpretations. I might go overboard at times with my defenses, I'll be the first to admit that. But it's amazing how people are so eager to blatantly ignore facts when it comes to him...all because they are so eager to buy into the anti-LeBron narrative. Now, LeBron clearly has his flaws and has had some awful efforts in the playoffs...but selective memories take over. If you look at things objectively you'll see the gap between him in "clutch" play and some of the all-time greats in "clutch" play really is so incredibly tiny/non-existent. He hits a ton of clutch shots, but we all collectively forget it and just POUNCE on the times he doesn't.

I mean, this guy is out here arguing that shooting 45% in the clutch makes him unclutch. That's laughable. The FT thing is legit, and he's been AWFUL at the line in big moments...but again, for his career, he's actually been great at the line in big moments.


I'm in the middle of writing my "thesis" on "clutch". It's been a lot of fun...and I do think most of the general NBA audience has a poor grasp on the reality of the whole issue. Selective memories and forced narratives really are the driving force.

kubernetes
05-20-2012, 02:40 PM
I think it's a must-win for Miami. If Lebron and Wade don't come out and absolutely demolish the Pacers everyone will know they just don't have it in them.

Kenny Powders
05-20-2012, 02:43 PM
If Indiana wins today the Heat are pretty much done, and I will be a happy man

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:01 PM
@ChrisMannixSI
Ronny Turiaf will start at center for Miami, alongside Chalmers, Wade, Battier and LeBron

I think I like that...

Make a ****ing three, or two, Shane!

torocan
05-20-2012, 03:02 PM
I mean, this guy is out here arguing that shooting 45% in the clutch makes him unclutch. That's laughable. The FT thing is legit, and he's been AWFUL at the line in big moments...but again, for his career, he's actually been great at the line in big moments.

45% does not make define him as clutch OR not clutch. A decline in FG% AND FT% in the last 5 minutes makes him NOT clutch.

FT's are gimme's. If you consistently underperform at the line when under pressure, it seems a stretch to argue that it's the ONLY place he would underperform while under pressure without evidence to the contrary (like in Pierce's case).

Think about how that argument sounds?

"Lebron sure is clutch! The only time he starts to crack is when he's standing at the line, there's no defenders in his face, and he has the time to take a shot he's practiced since he was a child!"

If you think he's clutch, that's great. I still disagree.

John Walls Era
05-20-2012, 03:02 PM
Lets go Heat. Odds were too good not to take a chance on them.

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:03 PM
i thought the stephenson choke thing was funny at the time, but Juwan Howard did it right. Sure theres excitement, but save that petty **** for the fans.

+1 juwan.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:04 PM
45% does not make define him as clutch OR not clutch. A decline in FG% AND FT% in the last 5 minutes makes him NOT clutch.

FT's are gimme's. If you consistently underperform at the line when under pressure, it seems a stretch to argue that it's the ONLY place he would underperform while under pressure without evidence to the contrary (like in Pierce's case).

Think about how that argument sounds?

"Lebron sure is clutch! The only time he starts to crack is when he's standing at the line, there's no defenders in his face, and he has the time to take a shot he's practiced since he was a child!"

If you think he's clutch, that's great. I still disagree.

99% of NBA stars, I'd imagine, have a huge dip in FG% in the clutch. The league average as a whole dips tremendously in "clutch" moments.

So is everyone "not clutch" in that regard? yes, it dips, but that's expected. 45% or whatever number you found still ***** on the VAST majority of the league.


I agree about the FT line...he's been "not clutch" there this year. But it hasn't been a chronic issue.

davids22
05-20-2012, 03:08 PM
Juwan Howard! Fab 5, Fab 5! You all saw the 30 for 30, right?

tcav701
05-20-2012, 03:09 PM
Battier at the 4?

West ABUSED him last game.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:10 PM
Battier at the 4?

West ABUSED him last game.

I'd imagine LeBron will be on West and Battier on Granger...


If not, then you're right and that makes no sense. But LeBron can play the 4 much more readily than Battier...Spo has to know that.

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:11 PM
Anybody else watchin the pregame show?Magic going ham on Mike Brown coaching ability.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:16 PM
Yeah...Magic digging his grave. He's being a dummie.

Blast Mike Brown for not making adjustments, that's fine. It's hard to do when your star player and the guy who dictates the offense, refuses to ever make adjustments himself...

I mean, I thought he was the wrong hire from day one...but the Lakers have done better than some/most expected. I think it was pretty much a consensus that they'd be a second round exit. They've played real well this series all things considered. He's done as much with that team as anyone could have expected. Most people expected LA to be a 4-5 seed...some even lower.

I don't know. Dig his grave if you want, but pinning it all on him is just foolish. Pinning it all on any single person is stupid. Firing Mike Brown and replacing him with anyone but an elite elite elite coach isn't going to make this team get to the WCF.

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:22 PM
Yeah he should have called out Kobe,for taking so many shots.I don't think he likes Mike Brown personally,they may have gotten into a altercation that nobody knows about.He basically bashed him on Nat'l tv for his ability to coach.

CHANGO
05-20-2012, 03:26 PM
INDIANAPOLIS – Nearly 90 minutes before tipoff of Game 4 of an acrimonious Eastern Conference playoff series, Indiana Pacers guard Lance Stephenson again appeared to be a source of irritation to the Miami Heat.

Miami Heat forward Juwan Howard and Stephenson exchanged sharp words within inches of each other’s faces on the court. Stephenson, who flashed a choke sign at Heat star LeBron James in the Pacers' Game 3 victory, had been shooting with the Pacers on one end of the floor when Howard walked past on the way to Miami's locker room.

It was unclear which player had said something to start the jawing, but Howard was soon warning Stephenson to keep his mouth shut, as Pacers assistant coach Brian Shaw stepped between the players and nudged Howard away from the court. There didn’t appear to be any possibility that the altercation would evolve into violence, but Howard clearly had no use for Stephenson, nor his attitude.

[Related: Dwyane Wade clashes with Miami Heat coach during awful Game 3

Stephenson responded with a half-smile, and kept taking his warm-up jumper shots as Howard was escorted away from the floor.

Howard, 39, is one of the league’s most respected veterans and completing his 18th season in the NBA. Stephenson, 21, is a talented young player mostly known so far for his immaturity in the NBA. Stephenson issued an apology after Game 3 for making the choking sign from the Pacers bench that TV cameras broadcast on air.

Ohh yeah!! If I'm Spo I'm putting Juwan as the starting PF he still has it. And he is motivated now. Bring back the Fav 4!!

airronijordan
05-20-2012, 03:27 PM
Let's go pacers!

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:28 PM
Emotions are high, but if Juwan is coming after you, you know you've done something incredibly stupid.

The Heat shouldn't concern themselves with such a scrub though. Lance Stephenson is so cool man! Sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing to help his team, then throwing up choke signs. Man, he's so cool!

When his career is over, people will probably remember him more for this than anything he did on the court...and that's a joke.

torocan
05-20-2012, 03:29 PM
99% of NBA stars, I'd imagine, have a huge dip in FG% in the clutch. The league average as a whole dips tremendously in "clutch" moments.

It's ALOT less than 99% that aren't clutch. Feel free to take a gander at this sortable list...

http://www.82games.com/1112/CSORT6.HTM

Clutch gets valued for good reason.

CHANGO
05-20-2012, 03:31 PM
Emotions are high, but if Juwan is coming after you, you know you've done something incredibly stupid.

The Heat shouldn't concern themselves with such a scrub though. Lance Stephenson is so cool man! Sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing to help his team, then throwing up choke signs. Man, he's so cool!

When his career is over, people will probably remember him more for this than anything he did on the court...and that's a joke.

LOL yeah the best part of that article I posted is this...


Howard, 39, is one of the league’s most respected veterans and completing his 18th season in the NBA. Stephenson, 21, is a talented young player mostly known so far for his immaturity in the NBA.

:D

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:31 PM
This is for our season. Let's go Heat!

Win or lose, Heat fan 4 life.

This feels like a game 7.

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:31 PM
Lebron/Wade Beast time.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:33 PM
I can't believe battier is going to guard David west

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:34 PM
It's ALOT less than 99% that aren't clutch. Feel free to take a gander at this sortable list...

http://www.82games.com/1112/CSORT6.HTM

Clutch gets valued for good reason.

Yeah, but look at the stars. I don't care what 3rd, 4th or 5th options do in the clutch, they're usually afterthoughts who defenses aren't worrying about.

Kobe: .327
Durant: .411
Pakrer: .455
Paul: .425
Dirk: .386
Deron: .411
Rondo: .261
Melo: .354
Wade: .378

And so on, and so on...

Proving my point here. None of those guys are clutch?

Pierce seems to be the exception here. Irving was notably clutch, and is an exception too. After that...it's a bunch of big men and 3rd/4th/5th options at the top of the list.

VCaintdead17
05-20-2012, 03:34 PM
Emotions are high, but if Juwan is coming after you, you know you've done something incredibly stupid.

The Heat shouldn't concern themselves with such a scrub though. Lance Stephenson is so cool man! Sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing to help his team, then throwing up choke signs. Man, he's so cool!

When his career is over, people will probably remember him more for this than anything he did on the court...and that's a joke.

probably not.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:34 PM
3333333!!!!

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:34 PM
The crowd is great.

SportsAndrew25
05-20-2012, 03:34 PM
All already the Heat are ****ing up in this game.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:35 PM
Heat look horrible

SportsAndrew25
05-20-2012, 03:35 PM
The mental errors by the Heat so far in this game are mind numbing.

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:35 PM
Love the Indiana crowd

Slimsim
05-20-2012, 03:36 PM
Paul george giving wade problems

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:36 PM
George is eating Wade alive

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:36 PM
probably not.

Really. What else is he gonna be remembered for? :laugh2:



Indy off to a hot start. They just are such a more balanced TEAM. Everyone contributing and making plays. It's fun to watch really.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:36 PM
The mental errors by the Heat so far in this game are mind numbing.

Spo needs to go

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:36 PM
Indy off to a great start.

nycericanguy
05-20-2012, 03:36 PM
pacers are becoming my 2nd fav team =)

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:36 PM
Poor start already

Slimsim
05-20-2012, 03:37 PM
wow miami looks so small

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:37 PM
2 superstars and we can't score 1 point.

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:37 PM
The pacers d is killin miami.

tcav701
05-20-2012, 03:37 PM
As I said West is gonna abuse battier.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:37 PM
That was going in hibbert but good effort

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:37 PM
Waived off...but the Pacer size is HUGE right now.

They've shied away from it at times earlier in the series...they need to never shy away from going inside. Ever.

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:38 PM
Wow Indiana is shutting them down early

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:38 PM
This team is so mentally weak.

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:38 PM
4 turnovers already.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:39 PM
Pacers need to hit 3s

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:39 PM
Wow. If LeBron isn't getting that call with all that contact...they're in trouble....


This just showing how important SIZE is. Wow.

Slimsim
05-20-2012, 03:39 PM
wow indy on fire

Havoc Wreaker
05-20-2012, 03:39 PM
What the hell is going on??? My head is about to blow!!!

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:39 PM
Lmao at the airballs

Corey
05-20-2012, 03:39 PM
Indy is bringing it!

tcav701
05-20-2012, 03:39 PM
HAHAHA James walking back on D.

What a frontrunner/quitter.

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
Damn Indy is looking great right now.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
Indy is just a better all around team. More size, more depth, more athletic, better coached, better defensively...

Yikes. They're out there dominating right now. :clap:

JNoel
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
Refs slacking already

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
2 air ball 3s, but every heat shot has been worse lmao

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
Pacers should be up a lot more. They've missed like 3-4 open threes.

Rivera
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
Letttsss gooooooo what a start of Indy! Keep it going boys!

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
Miami should be glad they're only down 9 if it wasn't for those horrible 3 pt shots were talking 14-0

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
pacers are becoming my 2nd fav team =)

Why because they are beating Miami.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
LeBron is attacking, but he isn't getting any calls that's why his lay ups are way off.

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:41 PM
You all think we are being haters but the facts are facts. When LeBron and Wade do not get those bail out calls attacking the rim, they are inferior. They need to quit worrying about percentages and take open shots.

JNoel
05-20-2012, 03:41 PM
I knew we should have signed eddy house

Weezy
05-20-2012, 03:41 PM
Pacers defense is already kicking.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:41 PM
Refs slacking already

Time for the heat to start flopping

Slimsim
05-20-2012, 03:41 PM
wow no heats fans in the main forums

nycericanguy
05-20-2012, 03:41 PM
Indy is just a better all around team. More size, more depth, more athletic, better coached, better defensively...

Yikes. They're out there dominating right now. :clap:

easier to say that now, but NO ONE wouldve thought that before the series started...

Jarvo
05-20-2012, 03:41 PM
Wow Miami, Yall better then this.

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:42 PM
Bron crying for calls already

ftfy

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:42 PM
Refs slacking already

This is why I hate ref-whining.

The problem is not that the refs are slacking, it's that your team is slacking. The Heat problems right now are themselves, not the refs. That's the coward's way out...blaming the refs...

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:42 PM
You all think we are being haters but the facts are facts. When LeBron and Wade do not get those bail out calls attacking the rim, they are inferior. They need to quit worrying about percentages and take open shots.

This.

nycericanguy
05-20-2012, 03:42 PM
Why because they are beating Miami.

OF COURSE!...lol

Come on, other than MIA fans, who really wants to see MIA win it after that infamous...

not 1...not 2...not 3...etc... its going to be easy celebration?

and then two months of "you mad" and "yes we did" from bandwagon MIA fans.

Not to mention Wade has become quite unlikeable as of late.

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:42 PM
Why because they are beating Miami.

Yes but Indiana is playing with a great passion. You can't help but love it and I'm anti-Indy.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:42 PM
This is why I hate ref-whining.

The problem is not that the refs are slacking, it's that your team is slacking. The Heat problems right now are themselves, not the refs. That's the coward's way out...blaming the refs...

I agree.

Jarvo
05-20-2012, 03:43 PM
Why because they are beating Miami.

Yep, People love when Miami lose. Thats why I'm hoping they win.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:43 PM
easier to say that now, but NO ONE wouldve thought that before the series started...

For sure. I said it would go a tough 6...because I was very impressed with them in round one and they did have that size advantage (even with Bosh). Bosh's absence is huge...but people did sleep on this team. They aren't a joke. #3 seed for a reason...they're very talented.

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:43 PM
When Hubie Brown talks it sounds like one long *** word.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:43 PM
Turnover city

JNoel
05-20-2012, 03:43 PM
ftfy

I don't normally complain about refs but I know a call when I see 1

StriveGreatness
05-20-2012, 03:44 PM
Anthony just stuffed George!

jetsfan28
05-20-2012, 03:44 PM
I'd love to see Miami try LeBron/Wade/Miller or Battier/Haslem/Anthony for a stretch. Put it in LeBron's hands and let him create, let Wade slash off ball, Miller or Battier sit in the corner, Haslem and Anthony could match up with West and Hibbert decently.

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:44 PM
Lebron is choking already. How the heck are you going to pass the ball when youre posting george hill.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:44 PM
You all think we are being haters but the facts are facts. When LeBron and Wade do not get those bail out calls attacking the rim, they are inferior. They need to quit worrying about percentages and take open shots.

Inferior?

You need some schooling in diction :laugh:

If they aren't getting calls, they might not have as easy of a night, but INFERIOR? Child please...

Jarvo
05-20-2012, 03:44 PM
Where Have You Been Joel!?!?

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:44 PM
We know the Heat will comeback. The question is will they go on another scoring drought later in the game? That will decide the game.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:44 PM
Lebron is choking already. How the heck are you going to pass the ball when youre posting george hill.

Yes, no one is is "choking". Just him.



Oh, narratives...

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
OF COURSE!...lol

Come on, other than MIA fans, who really wants to see MIA win it after that infamous...

not 1...not 2...not 3...etc... its going to be easy celebration?

and then two months of "you mad" and "yes we did" from bandwagon MIA fans.

Not to mention Wade has become quite unlikeable as of late.

Wade was right. The world really IS a better place when the Heat lose.

JNoel
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
Joel is a joke

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
BATTIER MADE A THREE!!!!


wow.

Slimsim
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
indy should have 20

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
Heat can't control the ball

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
Wow Indiana what's with the misses

LA_Raiders
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
Battie, lol

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
It's 9-5, should be 25-5 if pacers could shoot

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Finally

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:46 PM
The supporting cast hitting open threes is the easiest way for the Heat to make improvements out there. That's a good sign...they've been getting open looks all series, they've just been shooting 12%...not good :laugh2:

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Chalmers is so bad on defense.

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Hill is making it rain.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:46 PM
The Pacers are missing a lot of open 3s.

LA_Raiders
05-20-2012, 03:46 PM
BS Call, Lol

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:46 PM
foul on psycho? the ****?

JNoel
05-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Hansborogh smh

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:47 PM
If sixers get past the celtics I'd love to face the pacers

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-20-2012, 03:47 PM
Heat hitting their 3's early.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:47 PM
The Heat are hitting their open 3s. Good sign early.

JNoel
05-20-2012, 03:47 PM
Joel needs to go

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:47 PM
Hibbert is a monster.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:47 PM
Indy can't fall in love with the three...they gotta keep pounding it inside. It's foolish not to...

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:48 PM
What is Battier doing? lol

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:48 PM
yeah exactly. 3rd foul in over 100 minutes and he still wants to whine about it.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:48 PM
Give it to hibbert and west

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:48 PM
Why aren't they doubling Hibbert??

Oh Spo...

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:48 PM
Hibbert is limping.

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:48 PM
Indiana needs to play better defense

Corey
05-20-2012, 03:48 PM
Chalmers > Lebron.

NBAfan4life
05-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Indiana plays Miami very well.

Corey
05-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Get it, Granger.

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Granger!!!

LA_Raiders
05-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Wade for MVP

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Indiana needs to play better defense

You joking? Their defense has been AMAZING.

Can't blame them for leaving the scrubs open at the three point line...they've shot 12% this series. Stop LeBron and Wade from getting to the rim, and you'll win. Let the cast beat you. That's the right gameplan...



Hibbert wreaking havoc!

Slimsim
05-20-2012, 03:49 PM
why wade couldnt do that against us

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:49 PM
I've never seen Wade be this bad. He's missed a lot of open shots.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Lol heat getting abused

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Pacers came to play. They know they need this one.

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Wade is losing this series for the heat.

Jarvo
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Wade should have threw it down :facepalm:

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Wade is struggling bad.

tcav701
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
This game has been all about effort so far.

effen5
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Wade blows

J4KOP99
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Miami is playing with fire right here... LeBron and Wade look like dog ****. Especially Wade. They look like they don't want to work as hard as they might have to. They want it and probably expected it to come easy.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Good pass miller

Rivera
05-20-2012, 03:51 PM
Im lovin this game i love indys effort. im excited and going crazy every time indy makes a basket

Theres still alot of game left but keep it up indy

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:51 PM
If the Heat had a decent SG off the bench, I'd sit him for a while here. Let him sulk some more...maybe fire him up. He clearly doesn't have it as is.

Thing is, they don't have that luxury. Their bench has been awful.

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:51 PM
Hill/Hibbert will be overpaid this summer with the way the have played this series.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:52 PM
I don't see what LeBron is getting **** for. He's been attacking all game.

IDK what's wrong with Wade. If he showed up this series, we'd be up 2-1 or 3-0.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:52 PM
Indy is just playing like they know they're better...and it's awesome to watch.

Right now, they are better.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:52 PM
If the pacers keep settling for jump shots they will lose

Get the ball down low and let hibbert and west abuse the heat

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:52 PM
Good timeout by the Pacers

JNoel
05-20-2012, 03:52 PM
Miami beating themselves so far...

jetsfan28
05-20-2012, 03:52 PM
I like Spo, but I don't like what he's doing here. Don't play Cole. You have the biggest, most intimidating PG in the history of the NBA if you want to play him there. You're outsized in the frontcourt, make up for it in back by playing LeBron, Miller, and Battier or even Jones.

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:53 PM
Im lovin this game i love indys effort. im excited and going crazy every time indy makes a basket

Theres still alot of game left but keep it up indy
I love your sig and so does daniel bryan lol.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:53 PM
I don't see what LeBron is getting **** for. He's been attacking all game.

IDK what's wrong with Wade. If he showed up this series, we'd be up 2-1 or 3-0.

Assigning scapegoats is often stupid to do...because it's rarely ever that simple.


But the narrative will make this all about LeBron, whether it's fair or not. We all know that. Wade has been brutal, but all that matters is LeBron now.


LeBron is 2-5, with 3 rebounds, 3 assists and a TO. He hasn't bee "dog ****".

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:53 PM
I like Spo, but I don't like what he's doing here. Don't play Cole. You have the biggest, most intimidating PG in the history of the NBA if you want to play him there. You're outsized in the frontcourt, make up for it in back by playing LeBron, Miller, and Battier or even Jones.

That's too smart for Spo.

Donuts365
05-20-2012, 03:53 PM
pacers!

J4KOP99
05-20-2012, 03:53 PM
The one positive for Miami is that they are only down 8... with the way they have been playing, they should be down by 15 but Indiana refuses to take the ball inside the 3 point line.

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:53 PM
You joking? Their defense has been AMAZING.

Can't blame them for leaving the scrubs open at the three point line...they've shot 12% this series. Stop LeBron and Wade from getting to the rim, and you'll win. Let the cast beat you. That's the right gameplan...



Hibbert wreaking havoc!

No, I'm serious. 12% or not, It won't last. You can't keep allowing a guy to hit open shots like Mario got 3 times in a row.

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 03:54 PM
Indy is just playing like they know they're better...and it's awesome to watch.

Right now, they are better.

It's still early,Miami has yet to get Lebron involved.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:54 PM
Assigning scapegoats is often stupid to do...because it's rarely ever that simple.


But the narrative will make this all about LeBron, whether it's fair or not. We all know that. Wade has been brutal, but all that matters is LeBron now.


LeBron is 2-5, with 3 rebounds, 3 assists and a TO. He hasn't bee "dog ****".

That's true.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:54 PM
I like Spo, but I don't like what he's doing here. Don't play Cole. You have the biggest, most intimidating PG in the history of the NBA if you want to play him there. You're outsized in the frontcourt, make up for it in back by playing LeBron, Miller, and Battier or even Jones.

Problem is, they need him to be a PF as much as they need him to be a PG...especially with Bosh out.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:54 PM
The one positive for Miami is that they are only down 8... with the way they have been playing, they should be down by 15 but Indiana refuses to take the ball inside the 3 point line.

Yep pacers need to dump the ball down low

Donuts365
05-20-2012, 03:54 PM
Miami beating themselves so far...

only a homer would see that

Rivera
05-20-2012, 03:54 PM
Im honestly wonderin if wade n gabrielle union are having troubles in there relationship. Its the only excuse i can think for wades inability the last 2 games. Maybe thats why wade isnt all there? Im just speculating

Rivera
05-20-2012, 03:55 PM
Physco T :laugh2:

J4KOP99
05-20-2012, 03:55 PM
Larry Bird has done a masterful job. Larry legend still has the magic.

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:55 PM
Psycho T!

Corey
05-20-2012, 03:55 PM
Psycho T is ballin

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:55 PM
No, I'm serious. 12% or not, It won't last. You can't keep allowing a guy to hit open shots like Mario got 2 times in a row.

No. You can. They're bottling up LeBron and Wade...and shutting them down.

You ABSOLUTELY make the supporting cast beat you. 100%.


I mean, they've scored 13 points so far...yet they're playing awful defense? You make no sense.

You saw the graphic about how awful they've been in the paint so far. THAT'S the key...

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:55 PM
Nice move by Bron. He's the only one playing with energy for the Heat right now.

JeffG20
05-20-2012, 03:56 PM
impressed with indianas ball movement

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:56 PM
Wtf Lebron drive

J4KOP99
05-20-2012, 03:56 PM
Im honestly wonderin if wade n gabrielle union are having troubles in there relationship. Its the only excuse i can think for wades inability the last 2 games. Maybe thats why wade isnt all there? Im just speculating

who is he? Pau Gasol?

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:56 PM
They need to make those 3s.

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:56 PM
the brazilian blur derails the train.

Punk
05-20-2012, 03:56 PM
Indiana needs to make those 3s.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:56 PM
Im honestly wonderin if wade n gabrielle union are having troubles in there relationship. Its the only excuse i can think for wades inability the last 2 games. Maybe thats why wade isnt all there? Im just speculating

He's old and hurt. Plus his mid range jumper isn't consistent.

LA_Raiders
05-20-2012, 03:56 PM
Too many 3s by Indy... Go Inside more...

Rivera
05-20-2012, 03:57 PM
I love your sig and so does daniel bryan lol.

:nod: Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Come post in the psd wrestling forum! We might be the most tight knit group on PSD its awesome :nod:

John Walls Era
05-20-2012, 03:57 PM
**** come on Miami. Win.

J4KOP99
05-20-2012, 03:57 PM
I do not like the Miami Heat but as a Duke fan, it is almost impossible for me to root for any team that has Tyler Hansbrough.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:57 PM
Heat coming back

mdm692
05-20-2012, 03:57 PM
Nice passing by pacers.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:57 PM
We need Cleveland LeBron

Fnom11
05-20-2012, 03:57 PM
Heat can't buy a foul...

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 03:58 PM
Tyler effin hansborough is killing the heat :laugh:

NBAfan4life
05-20-2012, 03:58 PM
Granger is playing Lebron so smart. He is sticking with him and doing everything in his power not to foul.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 03:58 PM
Heat can't buy a foul...

They've bought as many as Indy has.


They can't buy good basketball...quit whining about the refs.

J4KOP99
05-20-2012, 03:58 PM
LeBron walked on that

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 03:58 PM
travel.

John Walls Era
05-20-2012, 03:59 PM
THere you go. Lean in after those pumpfakes.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:59 PM
If LeBron is going to get the ball anyways, why have Cole in the game?

LA_Raiders
05-20-2012, 03:59 PM
lol, LeBrick

Rivera
05-20-2012, 03:59 PM
who is he? Pau Gasol?

I wouldnt think so i thought he was stronger than that and i thought if he was having a bad game that wade can beat you with his mind. I thought

As much as i dislike miami and lebron his aggressiveness is necessary today for him and miamis success lebron gotta keep dominating the ball and looking for his shot

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-20-2012, 03:59 PM
I'm loving LeBron's aggressiveness early. He just has to go into beast mode and say **** it, I'm winning this game by myself!

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 03:59 PM
Nice block

J4KOP99
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Who is uglier? Joel or Mike Miller?

Punk
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
LMAO at Joel Anthony's hairline

mdm692
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
:nod: Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Come post in the psd wrestling forum! We might be the most tight knit group on PSD its awesome :nod:

I go there every now and then mainly on monday nights.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
I'm loving LeBron's aggressiveness early. He just has to go into beast mode and say **** it, I'm winning this game by myself!

The only chance they got...especially with Wade stinking up the joint/rotting on the bench.

The made threes are huge, but they aren't getting any sort of consistent offense.

JNoel
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Lebron needs to get 62 points or were not winning this

Jarvo
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Wade needs to wake the **** up looking silly on the sidelines

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
I'm loving LeBron's aggressiveness early. He just has to go into beast mode and say **** it, I'm winning this game by myself!

Loving it too, but if the pacers stopped taking 3s since they can't effin shoot this wouldn't even be close

Punk
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
I don't even get why Anthony doesn't start. His defense is very good.

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 04:01 PM
Who is uglier? Joel or Mike Miller?

Trick question: Charlie Villanueva.

DaSeba5
05-20-2012, 04:01 PM
I don't even get why Anthony doesn't start. His defense is very good.

He used to.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 04:01 PM
LeBron had a "bad quarter" to some extent, but scored 4 of their 7 baskets, and directly assisted on the other 3.

There's some hope, I guess...

Punk
05-20-2012, 04:01 PM
Lebron needs to get 62 points or were not winning this

So, you're not winning then?....

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 04:01 PM
I don't even get why Anthony doesn't start. His defense is very good.

Because of his energy of the bench, he wouldn't be effective from the get go

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 04:02 PM
This Pacers team is deep as hell:Granger,Hill,West,Hibbert,George,Barbosa,Coll ison,Physco T

Jarvo
05-20-2012, 04:02 PM
Lebron needs to get 62 points or were not winning this

It' just the 1st quarter, They'll be fine if Wade beast it & wake up.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-20-2012, 04:02 PM
The only chance they got...especially with Wade stinking up the joint/rotting on the bench.

The made threes are huge, but they aren't getting any sort of consistent offense.

That's because LeBron is trying to play like Batman, while Wade can't even play Robin. Wade is playing more like Alfred Pennyworth.

Rivera
05-20-2012, 04:02 PM
I go there every now and then mainly on monday nights.

The monday night RAW GT is the best thread on PSD. No trolls no porn all laughs, making fun of wrestlers, question of the week, curiousity and wondering what the hell the wwe is thinking and why would they do that

JNoel
05-20-2012, 04:03 PM
So, you're not winning then?....

All I'm saying is Lebron is the only one doing anything

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 04:04 PM
Wade must really suck,or he has a really bad injury that he's not telling the media.

mdm692
05-20-2012, 04:04 PM
The monday night RAW GT is the best thread on PSD. No trolls no porn all laughs, making fun of wrestlers, question of the week, curiousity and wondering what the hell the wwe is thinking and why would they do that

Yeah Ive noticed its great. I think the best one was the return of lesnar everybody went crazy lol.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 04:05 PM
Spo is such a bad coach

Rivera
05-20-2012, 04:05 PM
I do like that nba big commercial for the heat its good. Its below San antonios and bostons but its still dope

Does indy have an nba BIG commercial?

D12 fan
05-20-2012, 04:05 PM
Porn attack.

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 04:05 PM
Good call

John Walls Era
05-20-2012, 04:05 PM
The monday night RAW GT is the best thread on PSD. No trolls no porn all laughs, making fun of wrestlers, question of the week, curiousity and wondering what the hell the wwe is thinking and why would they do that

Not if you keep posting about it. All the spammer will rush there and start posting porn.

k.smith904
05-20-2012, 04:06 PM
so you can jump over people's backs now and get a foul called on them?

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 04:06 PM
Stop posting porn smh

YashBoone
05-20-2012, 04:06 PM
So, you're not winning then?....

All I'm saying is Lebron is the only one doing anything

And that my friend is why the heat won't ever win with this team.
They depend way too much on 2 players and have nothing to offer if those 2 can't carry the scoring load

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-20-2012, 04:07 PM
Stop posting porn smh

Well, atleast it's not dicks this time.

John Walls Era
05-20-2012, 04:07 PM
Thats Lebron at his best. I just hope he has enough energy to keep this up.

LA_Raiders
05-20-2012, 04:07 PM
is that LeBrooms only move he got?

yaswaggin
05-20-2012, 04:08 PM
Wade finally makes a shot

J4KOP99
05-20-2012, 04:08 PM
3pt game... Indiana ****ed that 1st qwuarter up badly... they should have been up 15