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Rain City
05-19-2012, 01:43 AM
Would you give him one?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-19-2012, 01:52 AM
sure, PSD said he's better than Kobe Bryant. Thats all I need to know

UPRock
05-19-2012, 01:56 AM
Of course, he's that good.

310Casper
05-19-2012, 02:01 AM
He's become a top 5 player in the league now. Yes.

Ebbs
05-19-2012, 02:02 AM
He's become a top 5 player in the league now. Yes.

Are you serious?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-19-2012, 02:03 AM
He's become a top 5 player in the league now. Yes.

TOP5 players are coming off the bench:speechless:

DaLakerz Rulz
05-19-2012, 02:04 AM
Flopping and ridiculous beard aside, he is really good. He is going to get a big contract eventually. But he still has 2 years left with the Thunder...

PC
05-19-2012, 02:05 AM
James Harden has gotten so ridiculously overrated lately...

yankeesown69
05-19-2012, 02:06 AM
Max? No. But he is the 3rd best SG in the league IMO behind Kobe & Wade and he deserves good money.

310Casper
05-19-2012, 02:08 AM
I'd take harden over wade right now.

DaLakerz Rulz
05-19-2012, 02:19 AM
I'd take harden over wade right now.

Really? Haden is good, but he doesn't get nearly as many gift from the refs as Wade :p

TmacBryant
05-19-2012, 02:28 AM
Harden is good, but I don't think he could lead a team and carry them day in and day out like players like Allen Iverson. Great player, but not a franchise player.

Ebbs
05-19-2012, 02:29 AM
James Harden has gotten so ridiculously overrated lately...

What makes you say that. . . .


I'd take harden over wade right now.

Avenged
05-19-2012, 02:31 AM
James Harden has gotten so ridiculously overrated lately...

Agreed. Still very good though.

I really want to see him as a #1.. He's not even a #2 yet.

jayjay33
05-19-2012, 02:35 AM
Harden is good, but I don't think he could lead a team and carry them day in and day out like players like Allen Iverson. Great player, but not a franchise player.

Why not? What' is his game lacking in your opinion.

310Casper
05-19-2012, 02:42 AM
Harden is good, but I don't think he could lead a team and carry them day in and day out like players like Allen Iverson. Great player, but not a franchise player.

You only think that way because he comes off the bench.

The guy can do it all. Shoot the 3, defend, pass, drive to the lane, create fouls, make clutch plays,...what cant he do? He can easily be a franchise player for any team in the nba.

Ebbs
05-19-2012, 02:47 AM
Harden has very little pressure on him. Until he proves he can lead a competitive team without two other top 10 players on his squad he doesn't get to be top 10. . . let alone top 5.

LakersA's49ers
05-19-2012, 02:47 AM
harden is very polished. thought he was a reach in the draft, but the Thunder have developed him beautifully

Baller1
05-19-2012, 02:50 AM
sure, PSD said he's better than Kobe Bryant. Thats all I need to know

Well he was better than Kobe this season, so it's not too ridiculous.

kblo247
05-19-2012, 02:52 AM
He draws fouls like Wade vs Dallas in 06, so yeah you invest in that and tell him don't be stupid enough to stand up and point at daddy stern in a labor meeting

sunsfan88
05-19-2012, 03:53 AM
Doesn't matter what anyone here thinks, Harden will get a max contract offered from at least 15 of the 30 teams in the NBA when he becomes a FA.

greg_ory_2005
05-19-2012, 04:04 AM
Someone will definitely give him the max.

lakersfan01
05-19-2012, 04:07 AM
sure, PSD said he's better than Kobe Bryant. Thats all I need to know

Newsflash: James Hard-on is better than Kobe Bryant.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-19-2012, 05:00 AM
Well he was better than Kobe this season, so it's not too ridiculous.


Newsflash: James Hard-on is better than Kobe Bryant.

When I see Harden I see greater potential than MJ, he's just too good. Watch out everyone, next season James Harden will be the best player in the NBA.

ICED
05-19-2012, 05:05 AM
I think if you watched game 3 of LA vs the Thunder you could make a case that Harden is now the Thunders #2 guy. And in many cases was the only thunder player making plays for them. Still Refs screwed the Thunder out of this game. seriously what was it a 2 to 1 foul ratio? for the lakers? I guess when you get an extra 10 free throws attempts (some which had magical non existent contact) you might be able to win a game by 3 points.

Rain City
05-19-2012, 05:06 AM
i agree with most of you that he is worth a max deal, what has sealed if for me is seeing him in the playoffs. The dude is a great big game player and he is very young.

Ebbs
05-19-2012, 05:08 AM
Harden had a bad shooting night. KD dropped 31 on positive shooting I don't see your logic.

The game did almost seem rigged for the Lakers though.

ICED
05-19-2012, 05:23 AM
Exactly Harden had a terrible shooting night and ended up with 21 points. At least unlike other younger players, he knows when the shots not going down you need to drive to the hoop. Anyrate gotta go ciao forum!

kblo247
05-19-2012, 05:54 AM
Bad shooting night? He's shooting 36% for the series! Every game has basically been a bad shooting night with him living at the free throw line.

He just couldn't drive because the Lakers posted Osama up for 4 quarters for the first time to take the legs from his defenders

Badluck33
05-19-2012, 06:32 AM
Who is going to give him max?

not okc

MagicBucsSox
05-19-2012, 06:39 AM
Monta, Gordon, Ginobili, Martin have proven as good/better. Imagine if they came off a Bench

Knicks21
05-19-2012, 07:25 AM
Monta, Gordon, Ginobili, Martin have proven as good/better. Imagine if they came off a Bench

Imagine if they were the third best scorer on the team.

jp611
05-19-2012, 08:15 AM
Come to the Bulls in 2 years :pray:

DR_1
05-19-2012, 08:56 AM
Yes any day. He's the best SG in the league now outside of Kobe.

lkingratedr
05-19-2012, 09:01 AM
Don't get me wrong but some of you guys are jumping out the window with this one max contracts lebron wade and carmelo don't even have max contracts ... I love gardens game his ball iq his aggressiveness his ability to analyze the game and see where he can be effective but I see him getting between 8-12 a year

roshan3ai
05-19-2012, 09:03 AM
I love hardens style of play and think he's already a top 6 SG at worst. But he is not better than Kobe or wade and Joe Johnson and Manu have arguments for being better also. I wanna see harden as a first or second option before annointing him a top 2 SG

king4day
05-19-2012, 09:08 AM
Suns fans want this guy bad. No one has said we'd offer him less than max. He's going to be a stud somewhere someday.

basketfan4life
05-19-2012, 09:11 AM
Well he was better than Kobe this season, so it's not too ridiculous.

Funny guy here :) :)

mdm692
05-19-2012, 09:41 AM
Suns fans want this guy bad. No one has said we'd offer him less than max. He's going to be a stud somewhere someday.

amen!!!

TO Rapz
05-19-2012, 10:03 AM
As a Raptors fan, due to the lack of talent here in TO, I'd have no problems giving James the max, especially with how inconsistent and suprisingly bad Derozan was this year. Harden and Valenciunus + our top 7 pick this year would give us a good core to roll with, problem is Harden's a FA in like 2 years.

ChiSox219
05-19-2012, 10:04 AM
Do you naysayers ever watch Harden play with four other Thunder bench players? He runs point and carries the offensive load to a tune of 40%+ usage. If you don't think he could go to somewhere like Phoenix and light up the league, you're crazy.

time4change
05-19-2012, 10:11 AM
I know we'd have no shot but I'd like my Milwaukee Bucks to throw a Max at him.

Love to bring that beard to Wisco.

blastmasta26
05-19-2012, 10:18 AM
Monta, Gordon, Ginobili, Martin have proven as good/better. Imagine if they came off a Bench

Only Manu has an argument in that group.

Mr_Amaziing
05-19-2012, 10:19 AM
I have a feeling that he'll sign for less to keep our core together

Sly Guy
05-19-2012, 10:20 AM
sure, PSD said he's better than Kobe Bryant. Thats all I need to know

well, he's certainly better than 7/18, 9/25, and 9/25.

JeffG20
05-19-2012, 10:23 AM
Monta, Gordon, Ginobili, Martin have proven as good/better. Imagine if they came off a Bench

i'd Take Harden over Mr. IR or Mr. DNP. dude is pure glass

StinkEye
05-19-2012, 10:33 AM
contingent on him not shaving the beard EVER.

Mr. Baller
05-19-2012, 10:33 AM
Yes any day. He's the best SG in the league now outside of Kobe.

You can't be serious. He is a 5th at best.

Corey
05-19-2012, 10:35 AM
sure, PSD said he's better than Kobe Bryant. Thats all I need to know

He's certainly more efficient than Kobe.

Corey
05-19-2012, 10:36 AM
You can't be serious. He is a 5th at best.

No thanks. Harden is 4th at worst. Kobe, Wade and MAYBE Manu.

29$JerZ
05-19-2012, 10:41 AM
You can't be serious. He is a 5th at best.

Wade, Kobe and Manu I agree but outside those 3 I don't see who is better.
He's 4th best for me.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-19-2012, 11:13 AM
well, he's certainly better than 7/18, 9/25, and 9/25.

Harden is better than Lebron too

boolish
05-19-2012, 11:18 AM
yeah MAX the beard out. Big three baby. The real big three. JH at 22 is almost impossible to handle. He's only going to get better. I would never trade JH for DW straight up. Never.

boolish
05-19-2012, 11:21 AM
Wade, Kobe and Manu I agree but outside those 3 I don't see who is better.
He's 4th best for me.

debatable. that's not how GMs evaluate their teams, however. They ask themselves "who would you rather have, a 6-5 220, 22yo, JH OR X....?" I doubt the answer is ever "X".

Corey
05-19-2012, 11:36 AM
Harden is better than Lebron too

No one said that. Dont put words in people's mouths because you're trying to defend Kobe.

Harden is more efficient than Kobe. It's a fact. Get over it.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-19-2012, 11:47 AM
No one said that. Dont put words in people's mouths because you're trying to defend Kobe.

Harden is more efficient than Kobe. It's a fact. Get over it.

Harden has a much better offensive rating than LeBron. He has already passed lebron with his efficiency.

Its really scary how good the Thunder is, leagues most efficient scorer coming off the bench. Next year Harden will be the best player in the league, his efficiency is off the charts already.

LongWayFromHome
05-19-2012, 11:49 AM
People who smack talk about him "coming off the bench" don't understand NBA rotations. He plays 31 MPG. Those are soft starter minutes.

I love James Harden but it will be interesting to see if he can keep up his efficiency without KD and Westbrook. I think the Mavs would be a great fit for him :D

cubbies7177
05-19-2012, 11:56 AM
You only think that way because he comes off the bench.

The guy can do it all. Shoot the 3, defend, pass, drive to the lane, create fouls, make clutch plays,...what cant he do? He can easily be a franchise player for any team in the nba.

he can't play defense... great offensive player that can get to the hoop at will... i agree though that I would love to see wut he could do at the #1 or #2 scoring option

if he gets max, isnt he out of OKC? I don't think they can afford Harden + IBLOCKA if harden gets max...

LongWayFromHome
05-19-2012, 12:09 PM
he can't play defense... great offensive player that can get to the hoop at will... i agree though that I would love to see wut he could do at the #1 or #2 scoring option

if he gets max, isnt he out of OKC? I don't think they can afford Harden + IBLOCKA if harden gets max...

They are allowed to but they will be DEEP into the LT

ManningToTyree
05-19-2012, 12:11 PM
not yet. Give it another 2 years. When his thunder contract is up he will have earned max money

Baller1
05-19-2012, 12:19 PM
Harden is better than Lebron too

Your consistent sarcasm in this thread either tells me that you don't watch Harden play at all or that you're bitter because people actually prefer his efficiency over the 33 year old chucker.

nycericanguy
05-19-2012, 12:22 PM
he can't play defense... great offensive player that can get to the hoop at will... i agree though that I would love to see wut he could do at the #1 or #2 scoring option

if he gets max, isnt he out of OKC? I don't think they can afford Harden + IBLOCKA if harden gets max...

Efficiency can be tricky though.

You look at Harden, he's playing with Durant & Westbrook, two of the top 5 or 6 scorers in the NBA. That's a big luxury, its a luxury to be able to have an off night and score only 12 points because you have those two guys playing alongside with you.

Most players don't have that luxury.

You look at the big 3 in BOS for instance, Pierce & Ray became incredibly efficient late in their careers when they got together, it makes it much easier when you can pick your spots.

Same thing in MIA, Wade & Lebron have had their most efficient years of their careers playing with each other.

I love Harden, I think he's a top 5 SG, but if he were asked to be the #1 guy on a team, and carry them every night, I doubt he would be such an efficient scorer.

I don't think he's a max player, scoring 14-16ppg efficiently as a 3rd option is a whole different animal than being asked to score 22ppg+ as the guy that defenses can focus in on. He's at that second tier level to me, a $12m type player.

rockbottom2010
05-19-2012, 12:37 PM
the OKC owner said that hes willing to go over the cap in order to sign harden and ibaka to max contracts....

Shkelqim
05-19-2012, 12:39 PM
ehh i dont know. I think he's in a good situation being a 3rd option and not having the best defender stick him which gives him a lot of good looks. I'm not sure about a Max contract-but hey if Joe Johnson got one he should 2

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-19-2012, 12:46 PM
Your consistent sarcasm in this thread either tells me that you don't watch Harden play at all or that you're bitter because people actually prefer his efficiency over the 33 year old chucker.

yeah I know kobe sucks and he's a chucker

meloman1592
05-19-2012, 12:58 PM
Max Contract? I just don't see why he deserves it...he's a number 3 option right now. I wanna see him lead a team as the main guy before I judge him. He's good but I can't call him better than Joe Johnson yet

justinnum1
05-19-2012, 01:00 PM
He's become a top 5 player in the league now. Yes.

lmao, no.

justinnum1
05-19-2012, 01:01 PM
Your consistent sarcasm in this thread either tells me that you don't watch Harden play at all or that you're bitter because people actually prefer his efficiency over the 33 year old chucker.

Winner.

nycericanguy
05-19-2012, 01:02 PM
"efficiency" is becoming really over used on here...

Pistol_Pete
05-19-2012, 01:08 PM
A max contract? Top 5 player in the league. Come on. He's not even a top 2 player on his own team.

This is where you get into trouble with max contracts. He shouldn't get one. A lot of player in the league shouldn't get one. But their teams overpay to keep them? Joe Johnson shouldn't be a max contract guy. Amare shouldn't be a max contract guy.

Sure Harden's good, and he's played much better as of late, but giving him a max could kill your team.

netsgiantsyanks
05-19-2012, 01:10 PM
gave him one in 2k12, i'm not sure why i would do any different in real life. :shrug:

ne3xchamps
05-19-2012, 01:22 PM
No way. He's not a top 5 and shouldn't even come close to a max deal

ne3xchamps
05-19-2012, 01:23 PM
gave him one in 2k12, i'm not sure why i would do any different in real life. :shrug:

:laugh2:.

Too bad the real nba doesn't work like video game world.

GiantsSwaGG
05-19-2012, 01:53 PM
At this point, he's better than Wade

justinnum1
05-19-2012, 01:54 PM
no he's not even close to top 5, but yes he will get max.

jayjay33
05-19-2012, 02:01 PM
Monta, Gordon, Ginobili, Martin have proven as good/better. Imagine if they came off a Bench

Martin, Gordon or 1 dimensional jumo shooters for the most part and Monta is about as cerebral as wilily coyote.....do no.

jayjay33
05-19-2012, 02:05 PM
Don't get me wrong but some of you guys are jumping out the window with this one max contracts lebron wade and carmelo don't even have max contracts ... I love gardens game his ball iq his aggressiveness his ability to analyze the game and see where he can be effective but I see him getting between 8-12 a year

He'll get as much as Westbrook or rondo. He is certainly in that class at least.

JordansBulls
05-19-2012, 02:32 PM
Would you give him one?

If OKC wins a title then he would go elsewhere and want near a max deal.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Well he was better than Kobe this season, so it's not too ridiculous.

So he should get first team honors at the top spot over Kobe this season, right? :rolleyes:

DR_1
05-19-2012, 03:45 PM
You can't be serious. He is a 5th at best.

I am serious. Have you watched him at all this year? He has more explosiveness than Manu, and he actually has range unlike Wade.

Giraffes Rule
05-19-2012, 03:49 PM
Max for Harden is something like 12.5 million dollars to start out with. I'd do that.

CoffeeJanitor
05-19-2012, 03:54 PM
I wouldnt but some GM will

justinnum1
05-19-2012, 03:55 PM
max for him is a no brainer. His ceiling is pretty damn high, top 10 player imo. It will be interesting seeing how he is as the #1 or 2 option on a team tho.

Vincent33
05-19-2012, 04:05 PM
Someone will give him max money. He's not staying in OKC unless they get rid of Westbrook to make room to keep Harden.

NYYCowboys
05-19-2012, 04:24 PM
I love the way he plays. Definitely think he could be a top 10 player in a few years. I would want to see how he is as a teams #1 option though since most teams coaches are making defensive schemes based on stopping Durant and not him.

KNICKS R BACK
05-19-2012, 04:42 PM
absolutely not

tmacsc2
05-19-2012, 04:56 PM
He is good.......but i dont think he could average max player numbers all year if he was a starter. Although if he averaged something like 16-18 points with 8 Assists and 6 or 7 boards as a starter than i would give him a MAX contract

popo85
05-19-2012, 06:50 PM
He shouldn't but with DeAndre Jordan getting 40 mill:facepalm: anything's possible..

time4change
05-20-2012, 08:04 AM
No one said that. Dont put words in people's mouths because you're trying to defend Kobe.

Harden is more efficient than Kobe. It's a fact. Get over it.

That doesn't make him the better player by far homes.

Like someone else stated Harden comes off the bench, and has 2 of the top scorers in the league.

Kobe has Pau, who shows up sometimes, and Bynum who is a 12 year old child trapped in a 7' 285 lbs body.

GrumpyOldMan
05-20-2012, 09:33 AM
I like Harden and I like the way he plays the game, but I couldn't justify giving him max money until after he proves he can play more than 30-32 minutes per game over the course of a season. I know this might not sound fair to some, but not every very good player deserves a max deal. I would only ever give a max deal to a player you can build your team around. I just don't see Harden as that guy at this stage.

theheatles
05-20-2012, 09:49 AM
james harden is going to be the next joe johnson...harden is a stud but will be overpaid if he gets a max

tyfreaks brotha
05-20-2012, 11:40 AM
The game did almost seem rigged for the Lakers though. Rigged for the Lakers? Oh God no it couldn't be ;)

Norieaga
05-20-2012, 12:21 PM
He's a good player. I wouldn't give him a max deal because the SG position is generally in abundance. I don't think he's a #1 option on a team, maybe a #2 or #3.

nolafan33
05-20-2012, 12:22 PM
James Harden isn't worth the max. His offensive talents overshadow his defensive liability.

ManRam
05-20-2012, 12:28 PM
Does he deserve it? I don't know. If there are 20 players in the NBA that get max contracts, then he deserves to be one of them. If there are only 10, then he doesn't. Max contracts are given out a bit generously it seems...so I think he'll get one.

He's a top 4 SG at worst...he had a great year. He's young. He'll get better. He's been a top 7 player in the playoffs. I think he can wind up being a top 10 player in the NBA if he gets the shot at being a #1 option.

He'll get a ton of money from someone. It might not be the max, but he'll get paid like a top 25 player...which he is.

Comparing him to Joe Johnson? Silly. Defensive liability? Silly.

PAOboston
05-20-2012, 12:59 PM
i think he'll get a max contract. i dont think he's a max contract type of guy atm though. that's not saying he isnt a good player. but i dont consider him a top flight superstar. he's in the tier below that.

but there is always someone stupid enough to throw crazy money to a player that doesnt deserve it (see johnson, joe).

that being said, i hope the c's get him somehow lol

Corey
05-20-2012, 01:35 PM
No one said that. Dont put words in people's mouths because you're trying to defend Kobe.

Harden is more efficient than Kobe. It's a fact. Get over it.

That doesn't make him the better player by far homes.

Like someone else stated Harden comes off the bench, and has 2 of the top scorers in the league.

Kobe has Pau, who shows up sometimes, and Bynum who is a 12 year old child trapped in a 7' 285 lbs body.re read my post before you put words in my mouth.

Thanks in advance, "homes".

NoahH
05-20-2012, 01:54 PM
Someone will offer him max and he can be a number one option i'm sure of it

Lake_Show2416
05-20-2012, 03:13 PM
11-12 mill a year

AIRMAR72
05-20-2012, 03:15 PM
hawks should make serious offer to this man

juggla53
05-20-2012, 03:30 PM
Max? No. But he is the 3rd best SG in the league IMO behind Kobe & Wade and he deserves good money.

Funny how people seem to forget about manu ginobli, i mean in the long run sure id rather have harden but in these playoffs give me manu all day

dodie53
05-20-2012, 06:24 PM
max? no.
imo,
he is a team's 2nd banana

beasted86
05-20-2012, 07:08 PM
Without a doubt. His max contract is only $15-$16M per season.

He's better than Rudy Gay who got the off-a-rookie-contract max as well.

Thunder 9
05-20-2012, 10:15 PM
Im a huge thunder and harden fan and from seeing every pro game he has ever played its my opinion that at this point he would be a very solid number two on any team but the thunder and heat but i think he will pass up the money to stay with the team...i could be wrong but thats what i think.

Thunder 9
05-20-2012, 10:18 PM
re read my post before you put words in my mouth.

Thanks in advance, "homes".

Its spelled "holmes" unless of course your in real estate.

beasted86
05-20-2012, 10:26 PM
Im a huge thunder and harden fan and from seeing every pro game he has ever played its my opinion that at this point he would be a very solid number two on any team but the thunder and heat but i think he will pass up the money to stay with the team...i could be wrong but thats what i think.

I can't remember the last time a player on a rookie contract gave up money who had a market value worth the max. It might be the first time ever.

Every time someone has given up a couple million from the max it seemed to be on their 3rd contract or later (counting the rookie contract as their 1st).... Duncan , Arenas, Wade/James/Bosh, etc...

Like I've said, Harden's max is like $16M a season, which is a bargain considering he hasn't even peaked.

Becks2307
05-20-2012, 11:05 PM
If Harden is your no. 1 player, you aren't winning a CHIP imo.

Toxeryll
05-20-2012, 11:13 PM
hell no hes overrated

iam brett favre
05-20-2012, 11:16 PM
Lakers fans calling Harden overrated...how cute.

gatkins11
05-20-2012, 11:25 PM
Im a huge thunder and harden fan and from seeing every pro game he has ever played its my opinion that at this point he would be a very solid number two on any team but the thunder and heat but i think he will pass up the money to stay with the team...i could be wrong but thats what i think.

I believe that to be wishful thinking on your part.

Beltrans Mole
05-20-2012, 11:26 PM
Harden's stock is at an all-time high so maybe someone will give him a max deal at some point. He's a real nice player and I'd kill for him to be on my team but max deal seems a bit too much. He's a very, very good #2 scoring option and as a #1 it's questionable whether he could get the job done. Great player either way and he's only getting better.

Becks2307
05-21-2012, 02:20 AM
Even though i think he is a bit overrated remember when people were so high on Tyreke and Curry.

I remember EVERYONE saying after Reke's rookie season "OMG imagine Westbook Evans and Durant" or "Curry at the point Westbrook at the 2 and Durant at the 3"

LOL how times change.