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purplehaze89
05-17-2012, 09:43 PM
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120517&content_id=31545568&notebook_id=31553562&vkey=notebook_tor&c_id=tor

TORONTO -- Vladimir Guerrero has been in extended spring training for only three days, but he has already made a strong impression with the organization, according to manager John Farrell.

Guerrero wasn't expected to be ready for a promotion to the big leagues until at least the middle of June, but that could change based on the early reports out of Dunedin, Fla.

"I'll tell you this, it has quickly shortened that up based on how he feels," Farrell said of Guerrero, who signed a Minor League contract on May 10. "Just by the way he is taking BP, how he's gone about his work, how he feels physically."

damadmonk
05-18-2012, 03:01 AM
Vlad to hear it...

dtmagnet
05-18-2012, 10:26 AM
I'm Vlad they made this signing.

nithanyo
05-18-2012, 10:43 AM
I think he would be a solid bat. Just DFA fransisco. He shouldn't be starting

BTW the Vlad puns are worse than the Yu ones

Kelly Gruber
05-18-2012, 11:02 AM
^ Yu just Vlad

Johann
05-18-2012, 11:35 AM
Don't be mad, be Vlad :cool:

Tmath
05-18-2012, 11:51 AM
Don't be mad, be Vlad :cool:

:facepalm:

wamco
05-18-2012, 11:56 AM
F Yu

jsumadchat
05-18-2012, 12:05 PM
Yu Vlad?

heusy_79
05-18-2012, 12:15 PM
Hopefully he Vladuates to the majors soon!

damadmonk
05-18-2012, 03:54 PM
BTW the Vlad puns are worse than the Yu ones

Yan :sleep:

the_jon
05-19-2012, 11:55 AM
Yan :sleep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oUN0GsoxsLs#t=9s

TO Rapz
05-19-2012, 12:45 PM
:laugh2: Seriously, I love Vlad, I hope he's up here soon, I love low risk, high reward signings like him.

JMac4PM
05-19-2012, 03:33 PM
I'll be very Vlad once he gets to Toronto and starts mashing lefties.

masTOR_shake1
05-20-2012, 12:42 AM
nice, should be a solid vladdition

Johann
05-20-2012, 01:25 AM
:laugh2: Seriously, I love Vlad, I hope he's up here soon, I love low risk, high reward signings like him.

Yo man, I'm pulling for you to be Vladedictorian for Brampton Centennial brap brap

Toxeryll
05-20-2012, 01:37 AM
Yo man, I'm pulling for you to be Vladedictorian for Brampton Centennial brap brap

:facepalm: fail

Raps08-09 Champ
05-20-2012, 07:20 PM
Hope he comes up really soon.

I don't want to see Ben Francisco at the DH spot.

Sadds The Gr8
05-20-2012, 08:30 PM
Don't be mad, be Vlad :cool:

:facepalm:

North Yorker
05-20-2012, 09:25 PM
Make puns about his name all you want, but Vladimir is one badass name :rock:

bartron_44
05-21-2012, 08:54 AM
I think our only option when Vlad gets here is to release Francisco. Unless he is going to take Lind's spot on the 40-man...

Toxeryll
05-21-2012, 01:59 PM
he'll take up lind's spot for sure. Francisco has one minor league option left so i doubt we release him

Halladay
05-21-2012, 11:42 PM
Vlad to hear Lind will stay in the minors.

JaysFan87
05-21-2012, 11:49 PM
I think our only option when Vlad gets here is to release Francisco. Unless he is going to take Lind's spot on the 40-man...

thats exactly whats going to happen barring another move...

craigerlee
05-22-2012, 12:00 AM
thats exactly whats going to happen barring another move...

Still need to find him a spot on the 25 man. Its either gonna be Francisco or Gomes that goes. I don't see how they can keep Francisco considering him and Vlad do exactly the same thing, i.e hit LH pitching and play no defense.

mtf
05-22-2012, 02:05 AM
I really was unenthusiastic about this signing, but since Ben Francisco is getting playing time now, I'm very eager to see that come to an end.

the_jon
05-22-2012, 02:12 PM
Can't wait to hear all the complainers talk about how much of a waste this signing was when he starts to struggle.

Krylian
05-22-2012, 04:13 PM
Can't wait to hear all the complainers talk about how much of a waste this signing was when he starts to struggle.

This signing is a waste. Not even gonna wait for the struggles.

bomber0104
05-22-2012, 06:04 PM
This signing is a waste. Not even gonna wait for the struggles.

again.. do you prefer watching Ben hit?

Jays_Win_Again
05-22-2012, 06:45 PM
He was my favourite player back in the day, such a stud. I always loved the no batting gloves. I hope he still has something left for us. I'd be disappointed If he struggles more so for his sake as he had such a great career, it be nice to see him finish it off strong. I remeber the guy throwing from the corner in RF to three bag no hop, had a cannon for a arm.

the_jon
05-22-2012, 06:51 PM
This signing is a waste. Not even gonna wait for the struggles.
Which part of it? The non-guaranteed money or the non-guaranteed roster spot?

rapsjaysfan88
05-22-2012, 07:02 PM
even if he hits like last year he'll be worth the 1.5 mil. hope he hits his 51 hrs with us lol

nithanyo
05-22-2012, 08:47 PM
15 years of major league baseball and he still doesnt know english

Eagles4Lyfe
05-22-2012, 09:05 PM
Make puns about his name all you want, but Vladimir is one badass name :rock:

Ya for a magician

Johann
05-22-2012, 09:58 PM
Ya for a magician

Or a Russian

mtf
05-22-2012, 10:09 PM
Hope he comes up really soon.

I don't want to see Ben Francisco at the DH spot.

I agree with you about Ben Francisco, but with Yan Gomes and Rajai Davis on the bench, I see no reason why Ben Francisco should ever see an at bat, regardless of whether or not Guerrero makes the team.

FlakeyFool
05-22-2012, 10:35 PM
Which part of it? The non-guaranteed money or the non-guaranteed roster spot?

boom

albertajaysfan
05-23-2012, 01:16 AM
I agree with you about Ben Francisco, but with Yan Gomes and Rajai Davis on the bench, I see no reason why Ben Francisco should ever see an at bat, regardless of whether or not Guerrero makes the team.

good point

treeleaf
05-23-2012, 01:45 AM
boom



Haha ya owned pretty hard.

This signing is anything but a "Waste" on account of its not at the expense of our younger prospects playing time and because he slides right into linds 40man spot.
Plus we have an extremely young team and a little veteran presence couldnt hurt if we make a push for that wild card playoff.

es0terik
05-24-2012, 12:38 AM
Can't wait to hear all the complainers talk about how much of a waste this signing was when he starts to struggle.

Forget that, I can't wait till people start crying and moaning about how bad Yan Gomes is when he hits his first speedbump.

2009mvp
05-24-2012, 09:58 AM
^^Who but a handful of delusional fans think Gomes is gonna keep this up though? Same deal with Thames when he came up, same deal with JPA after his scorching week. S-s-s-s-s-ample size.

miller74
05-24-2012, 10:23 AM
Or a Russian

HAHA read my mind

bartron_44
05-24-2012, 11:01 AM
^^Who but a handful of delusional fans think Gomes is gonna keep this up though? Same deal with Thames when he came up, same deal with JPA after his scorching week. S-s-s-s-s-ample size.

....I think Gomes could be a good hitter if given the chance to play everyday. Especially as a catcher. His minor league numbers speak for themselves.

The last time he got to play everyday was in 2009 before we acquired Travis D'Arnaud.

-He beat up the NYPL with Auburn in 2009
-He had an OPS over .800 in Dun splitting time with TDA (.726 OPS) in 2010
-He had 13 HR's and 18 doubles in only 276 AB's in NH in 2011.


If anything the Jays failed last year not getting this kid full time AB's in NH. He could have played at least another 30 games or more so to get him some more consistent AB's instead of trotting out 30 year olds like Ricardo Nanita and Kevin Howard...

He has destroyed the baseball from the start of spring training in 2012.

He had an OPS of .923 in 20 Spring Training games (39 AB's)
He had an OPS of .953 in 33 games in AAA (131 AB's)
He has an OPS of 1.011 in 6 games so far in MLB (17 AB's)

That's getting close to 200 AB's of putting up an OPS over .920. Considering he is only 24, and didn't really get a real chance in 2010 and 2011 to show what he can do, I am not so sure you can say he won't keep hitting. Maybe not for an OPS over .900 like we want out of first base, but I don't see why he couldn't keep it around .800 and be a solid hitting 3B/C. If you combine his stats in 2010 and 2011 (549 AB's) he hit .259 with 22 HR's, 42 2B's, 100 RBI's and an OPS around .790.

Let's just see what his numbers look like at the end of June....befor we start calling anyone 'delusional' for thinking the kid can hit...

AA09-?
05-24-2012, 11:21 AM
This signing is a waste. Not even gonna wait for the struggles.

Usually you're pretty accurate with your posts, but I just don't get this one.

alistar
05-24-2012, 11:50 AM
....I think Gomes could be a good hitter if given the chance to play everyday. Especially as a catcher. His minor league numbers speak for themselves.

The last time he got to play everyday was in 2009 before we acquired Travis D'Arnaud.

-He beat up the NYPL with Auburn in 2009
-He had an OPS over .800 in Dun splitting time with TDA (.726 OPS) in 2010
-He had 13 HR's and 18 doubles in only 276 AB's in NH in 2011.


If anything the Jays failed last year not getting this kid full time AB's in NH. He could have played at least another 30 games or more so to get him some more consistent AB's instead of trotting out 30 year olds like Ricardo Nanita and Kevin Howard...

He has destroyed the baseball from the start of spring training in 2012.

He had an OPS of .923 in 20 Spring Training games (39 AB's)
He had an OPS of .953 in 33 games in AAA (131 AB's)
He has an OPS of 1.011 in 6 games so far in MLB (17 AB's)

That's getting close to 200 AB's of putting up an OPS over .920. Considering he is only 24, and didn't really get a real chance in 2010 and 2011 to show what he can do, I am not so sure you can say he won't keep hitting. Maybe not for an OPS over .900 like we want out of first base, but I don't see why he couldn't keep it around .800 and be a solid hitting 3B/C. If you combine his stats in 2010 and 2011 (549 AB's) he hit .259 with 22 HR's, 42 2B's, 100 RBI's and an OPS around .790.

Let's just see what his numbers look like at the end of June....befor we start calling anyone 'delusional' for thinking the kid can hit...

Call me a skeptic, but I certainly don't put as much worth in spring training and PCL stats as much as you seem to

FLeays
05-24-2012, 11:50 AM
Or a Russian

or a vampire...*gulp*

Toxeryll
05-24-2012, 12:21 PM
^^who but a handful of delusional fans think gomes is gonna keep this up though? Same deal with thames when he came up, same deal with jpa after his scorching week. S-s-s-s-s-ample size.

+1

2009mvp
05-24-2012, 12:23 PM
....I think Gomes could be a good hitter if given the chance to play everyday. Especially as a catcher. His minor league numbers speak for themselves.

The last time he got to play everyday was in 2009 before we acquired Travis D'Arnaud.

-He beat up the NYPL with Auburn in 2009
-He had an OPS over .800 in Dun splitting time with TDA (.726 OPS) in 2010
-He had 13 HR's and 18 doubles in only 276 AB's in NH in 2011.


If anything the Jays failed last year not getting this kid full time AB's in NH. He could have played at least another 30 games or more so to get him some more consistent AB's instead of trotting out 30 year olds like Ricardo Nanita and Kevin Howard...

He has destroyed the baseball from the start of spring training in 2012.

He had an OPS of .923 in 20 Spring Training games (39 AB's)
He had an OPS of .953 in 33 games in AAA (131 AB's)
He has an OPS of 1.011 in 6 games so far in MLB (17 AB's)

That's getting close to 200 AB's of putting up an OPS over .920. Considering he is only 24, and didn't really get a real chance in 2010 and 2011 to show what he can do, I am not so sure you can say he won't keep hitting. Maybe not for an OPS over .900 like we want out of first base, but I don't see why he couldn't keep it around .800 and be a solid hitting 3B/C. If you combine his stats in 2010 and 2011 (549 AB's) he hit .259 with 22 HR's, 42 2B's, 100 RBI's and an OPS around .790.

Let's just see what his numbers look like at the end of June....befor we start calling anyone 'delusional' for thinking the kid can hit...

Cool, minor league numbers. Sorry, without the scouting reports to support those numbers I just can't see much value in them, especially when we're talking about numbers that show a 25 year old with pretty shaky plate discipline. It's a fun ride right now for sure, but realistically this ain't gonna last.

es0terik
05-24-2012, 12:23 PM
^^Who but a handful of delusional fans think Gomes is gonna keep this up though? Same deal with Thames when he came up, same deal with JPA after his scorching week. S-s-s-s-s-ample size.

Key-words. Gomes is the second coming of Christ if you read the game threads.

2009mvp
05-24-2012, 12:47 PM
And I hope people don't take that as knocking our guys. I'd be thrilled to see a Thames/Gomes/Arencibia middle of the order win a world series, but obviously that ain't gonna happen. It isn't at all about ripping these guys as much as it is about wanting the organization to continue to strive for above average players at every position. Some of these guys just aren't and never will be good enough.

ah nuts
05-24-2012, 01:17 PM
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120517&content_id=31545568&notebook_id=31553562&vkey=notebook_tor&c_id=tor

TORONTO -- Vladimir Guerrero has been in extended spring training for only three days, but he has already made a strong impression with the organization, according to manager John Farrell.

Guerrero wasn't expected to be ready for a promotion to the big leagues until at least the middle of June, but that could change based on the early reports out of Dunedin, Fla.

"I'll tell you this, it has quickly shortened that up based on how he feels," "

good, I Vlad enough of Lind.

aman_13
05-24-2012, 01:35 PM
^^Who but a handful of delusional fans think Gomes is gonna keep this up though? Same deal with Thames when he came up, same deal with JPA after his scorching week. S-s-s-s-s-ample size.

Baseball statistics is a great way to analyze players but it's really boring as well. You maybe right about Gomes, for all we know he is sent down in a couple the weeks and all the fun around Gomes is done. Lets not forget though, when these players make it to the majors, they are under major league management, working with major league coaches and players. You will learn a lot at the highest level no matter how long you stay. Don't just dismiss players based on their past ineffecient stats. The same stats i'm sure the players themselves recognize as well and would love to improve. It's a stupid way to scout and you can miss out on impact players all because you knew he wasn't going to last so you give up on them as soon as they slump.

2009mvp
05-24-2012, 03:13 PM
Nice rhetoric, but when do soon to be 25 year olds come out of nowhere (and I mean nowhere, this guy wasn't even on the 'of note' part of Sickels' top 20) and become above average big leaguers? Again, I'm totally fine with them riding the Gomes wave for as long as it lasts, but in the meantime the organization needs to recognize that there still is a gaping hole at 1B/DH that longterm he isn't gonna fill.

aman_13
05-24-2012, 05:16 PM
Maybe my post was misleading but i wasn't necessarily defending Gomes, just making the point that you shouldn't make judgements based purely on stats.

Halladay
05-24-2012, 05:18 PM
Nice rhetoric, but when do soon to be 25 year olds come out of nowhere (and I mean nowhere, this guy wasn't even on the 'of note' part of Sickels' top 20) and become above average big leaguers? Again, I'm totally fine with them riding the Gomes wave for as long as it lasts, but in the meantime the organization needs to recognize that there still is a gaping hole at 1B/DH that longterm he isn't gonna fill.

Don't really see how that's important, let the guy swing and don't look back. If he struggles and fails in the future so be it, we had a good hitter for a short period of time. Scouts are wrong all the time, was Pujols seen as the best hitter of his generation years back?

2009mvp
05-24-2012, 06:31 PM
^^Yeah that's the way to win pennants, pray for non-prospects to look like good hitters fr short periods of time.

ah nuts
05-24-2012, 09:10 PM
Nice rhetoric, but when do soon to be 25 year olds come out of nowhere (and I mean nowhere, this guy wasn't even on the 'of note' part of Sickels' top 20) and become above average big leaguers? Again, I'm totally fine with them riding the Gomes wave for as long as it lasts, but in the meantime the organization needs to recognize that there still is a gaping hole at 1B/DH that longterm he isn't gonna fill.

either was bautista... or last year's Mike Napoli.
2 blue jays
things come in 3s, can't beat that logic

FlakeyFool
05-24-2012, 09:38 PM
yeah because thats stupid logic

ah nuts
05-24-2012, 10:25 PM
yeah because thats stupid logic

that was the joke - duh, you flakey fool

bartron_44
05-25-2012, 08:31 AM
Nice rhetoric, but when do soon to be 25 year olds come out of nowhere (and I mean nowhere, this guy wasn't even on the 'of note' part of Sickels' top 20) and become above average big leaguers? Again, I'm totally fine with them riding the Gomes wave for as long as it lasts, but in the meantime the organization needs to recognize that there still is a gaping hole at 1B/DH that longterm he isn't gonna fill.

He has been totally overshadowed playing on the same team as D'arnaud the past 2 seasons. Sickels leaving him off of the "Others of NOTE" list is a prime example imo. The guy was the 3rd best hitter in NH last year with an OPS just 4 points lower then McDade.

The Jays obviously see something in him since he was the one who got the call and not someone already on the 40 man roster. They could have promoted Cooper and just let Visquel play 3rd while Lawrie was out. They could have promoted the red hot McDade from AA, of another reliever like Beck or Farquhar...

I know he isn't going to hit .350 or anything, but the guy has shown he has power, he can turn around a fastball, and he can go the other way. His only flaw appears to be patience..but he has been so hot over the first couple months this year it hasn't mattered. I wonder if they changed anything with him in ST this year? It is the first time he was in major league camp, so maybe the great Murphy corrected his timing mechanism like he did Jose's? Its a similar style with a big leg kick...Maybe Jose himself taught him some things? All I know is ever since live AB's started this year, he has been raking. Not taking walks yet, but hitting for extra bases and a high average.


He may not be the answer at 1B/DH, but I bet he could put up good numbers for a catcher if we traded him somewhere who would let him play behind the plate full time ....where he grew up playing. I think he has proven in the minors that he can also be an effective backup catcher and hit when he isn't given full time AB's. That is not an easy thing to do, so at the very least I think he will be a good backup catcher who can provide some offense when he is in the lineup. I think he is a MUCH better hitter then Mathis, and is supposed to have a cannon of an arm.

FlakeyFool
05-27-2012, 12:19 PM
that was the joke - duh, you flakey fool

ah nuts

JaysFan87
05-27-2012, 12:40 PM
Yan Gomes sent down today for Chad Beck

Mendoza Line
05-27-2012, 04:38 PM
Vlad 2 for 5 with a HR in Dunedin today.

Toxeryll
05-28-2012, 05:04 AM
Vlad 2 for 5 with a HR in Dunedin today.

call him up already

Halladay
05-28-2012, 05:28 AM
^^Yeah that's the way to win pennants, pray for non-prospects to look like good hitters fr short periods of time.

It's funny how you and I say similar things then you turn around around mock me. How hypocritical.

KidDraco
05-29-2012, 10:13 PM
Vladdy!!!

bartron_44
05-30-2012, 08:12 AM
Vladdy was 3-5 with a double and another HR in his second game. He is now 5 for 10 with a double and 2 bombs.

I wonder how long before he is in Toronto...

TO Rapz
05-30-2012, 09:03 AM
Vladdy raking. :drool:

Can't waittttt.

AA09-?
05-30-2012, 09:28 AM
Vladdy was 3-5 with a double and another HR in his second game. He is now 5 for 10 with a double and 2 bombs.

I wonder how long before he is in Toronto...

I think within 2-3 weeks he'll debut in Toronto.

Toxeryll
05-30-2012, 06:09 PM
cant wait. i assume he'll take up francisco's spot

Kenny Powders
05-30-2012, 06:27 PM
cant wait. i assume he'll take up francisco's spot

Jesus, I hope so.

H-MYK
05-30-2012, 08:11 PM
cant wait. i assume he'll take up francisco's spot

Please let this happen. I cringe whenever I see him on the mound.

The_Jet11
05-30-2012, 08:17 PM
^probably Ben Francisco.. not Coco..

rapsjaysfan88
05-30-2012, 10:31 PM
Man if we get a healthy vlad in between 2010-11 production, that would be nice addition

Dol-Fan
05-30-2012, 10:45 PM
Please let this happen. I cringe whenever I see him on the mound.

lol...

Dol-Fan
05-31-2012, 08:28 PM
Vlad 2-4 with 2 HR tonight. Back to DH.

Johann
05-31-2012, 08:31 PM
Yee Haw!

TO Rapz
05-31-2012, 09:18 PM
Vlad :drool:

TO Rapz
05-31-2012, 09:23 PM
I see this as our best case lineup with everyone healthy, and I think it's decent:
Lineup:

2B - Kelly Johnson
CF - Colby Rasmus
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Vladimir Guerrero
1B - Edwin Encarnancion
3B - Brett Lawrie
LF - Travis Snider
C - JP Arencibia
SS - Yunel Escobar

Bench:

C: Jeff Mathis
C/1B/3B/**** it, utility man: Yan Gomes
OF: Rajai Davis
1B: David Cooper

We can flip flop with Rasmus and Yunel too.

Tmath
05-31-2012, 09:42 PM
I see this as our best case lineup with everyone healthy, and I think it's decent:
Lineup:

2B - Kelly Johnson
CF - Colby Rasmus
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Vladimir Guerrero
1B - Edwin Encarnancion
3B - Brett Lawrie
LF - Travis Snider
C - JP Arencibia
SS - Yunel Escobar

Bench:

C: Jeff Mathis
C/1B/3B/**** it, utility man: Yan Gomes
OF: Rajai Davis
1B: David Cooper

We can flip flop with Rasmus and Yunel too.

We would have no one to play SS or 2B on the bench if Escobar or KJ get hurt.

Not the best scenario.

Johann
05-31-2012, 09:52 PM
If Rajai returns to 2009-2010 form, he'd be the starting LF for the remainder of this year. If not, Snider gets recalled.

Instead of Gomes, call up Hechavarria.

Cooper/Vlad/EE as DH/1b.

TO Rapz
05-31-2012, 10:08 PM
We would have no one to play SS or 2B on the bench if Escobar or KJ get hurt.

Not the best scenario.

My bad, K fix the bench, I forgot Vizquel. More important was the lineup lol

alistar
06-01-2012, 01:56 PM
Looks like Vladdy just moved up to Triple A.

North Yorker
06-01-2012, 02:52 PM
Looks like Vladdy just moved up to Triple A.

AA wants a good storyline so he'll call him up when we play the Nats/Expos franchise at home in a week and a half :laugh2:

Toxeryll
06-01-2012, 02:57 PM
AA wants a good storyline so he'll call him up when we play the Nats/Expos franchise at home in a week and a half :laugh2:

makes sense

MrForever
06-01-2012, 03:31 PM
I'd rather start Cooper and have Vlad be available to PH, honestly.

Halladay
06-01-2012, 03:55 PM
I see this as our best case lineup with everyone healthy, and I think it's decent:
Lineup:

2B - Kelly Johnson
CF - Colby Rasmus
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Vladimir Guerrero
1B - Edwin Encarnancion
3B - Brett Lawrie
LF - Travis Snider
C - JP Arencibia
SS - Yunel Escobar

Bench:

C: Jeff Mathis
C/1B/3B/**** it, utility man: Yan Gomes
OF: Rajai Davis
1B: David Cooper

We can flip flop with Rasmus and Yunel too.

If we have Vlad hitting cleanup every night this is definitely not a playoff team.

joshhorvath
06-01-2012, 06:38 PM
I say switch EE and Vlad, EE has been wonderful in the cleanup spot for the jays this year.. alot better then that Lind guy.. Vlad can bat 5th, and this lineup will be dangerous!! OMG havent felt this excited about a Jays lineup since JP spent all that money in the off season.. those days of Troy Glaus and Frank Thomas. (we all know how it ended, but you know, when those signings/trades were announced, you were excited!)

Raps08-09 Champ
06-01-2012, 11:40 PM
I see this as our best case lineup with everyone healthy, and I think it's decent:
Lineup:

2B - Kelly Johnson
CF - Colby Rasmus
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Vladimir Guerrero
1B - Edwin Encarnancion
3B - Brett Lawrie
LF - Travis Snider
C - JP Arencibia
SS - Yunel Escobar

Bench:

C: Jeff Mathis
C/1B/3B/**** it, utility man: Yan Gomes
OF: Rajai Davis
1B: David Cooper

We can flip flop with Rasmus and Yunel too.

You want Vlad to go at the 4 spot instead of EE?

Kelly Gruber
06-02-2012, 02:59 AM
Leave E5 clean-up, Colby 5, let him get some RBIs and keep building confidence. Clad has a name but he shouldn't be handed a spot in the heart of the line-up. Let him build up.

The_Jet11
06-02-2012, 04:27 AM
Agreed, i like the idea of Rasmus hitting either 2 or 5 right now. Vladdy can hit 6.

It would b nice if we could get Escobar going... Maybe that dinger today will be the spark that sets his bat on fire.

Johnson
Escobar
Bautista
Encarnacion
Rasmus
Guererro/Cooper (he would hit 7th)
Lawrie
Arencibia
Davis/Snider (in a couple of weeks)

Halladay
06-02-2012, 04:40 AM
Jesus...some people's perception on Vladdy is insane. You guys are seriously just slotting him into high spots in the order. This guy couldn't even get a contract this year, he was in extended spring training and now he's gonna be hitting high in the batting order of a team who's goal is to battle for a playoff spot? come on...I want him to succeed as much as anyone but expectations should be tempered.

wamco
06-02-2012, 10:58 AM
"quit whining"
"go root for the yankees"
"be patient"

jakedajewler
06-02-2012, 07:00 PM
Anyway to watch the Las Vegas 51s game online tonight?

wamco
06-02-2012, 08:15 PM
u asking me on a date?

nithanyo
06-03-2012, 12:31 AM
Can we get some decent pitching.Drabek eats balls

ByShine
06-03-2012, 04:48 AM
vlad is a legend

BBB
06-10-2012, 04:12 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned already but Vladdy got hit on the hands and is day-to-day.

ktownguy31
06-10-2012, 04:23 PM
Too bad vlad was hitting like **** in aaa ...so i really dont see him coming up regardless of an injury

Krylian
06-12-2012, 10:14 AM
Wilnerness590

It appears as though the rumours are true. Apparently Vladimir Guerrero has decided to give up the comeback. #Bluejays #Jays

Jamiecballer
06-12-2012, 10:23 AM
man that guy who sat in front of me the other day at the game in the Blue Jays Guerrerro Jersey is gonna be pissed.

2009mvp
06-12-2012, 10:27 AM
^^:laugh2: Ouch.

But yeah, you can't hit at Vegas, hang em up. It was worth a gamble I suppose, but the 1B/DH hole should have been filled a loooong time ago.

Krylian
06-12-2012, 10:29 AM
Wilner was just on the FAN 590 breaking the news. He's thinking it might have to do with Vlad not getting called up as soon as he had hoped and thinking that if/when he did get here, the playing time wouldn't be here.

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 10:30 AM
Unfortunate but he was half-assing it in Vegas anyway. He was dogging it down the line on every batted ball. He finally has a good game and then gives up? Cool stuff, Vlad.

miller74
06-12-2012, 10:34 AM
man that guy who sat in front of me the other day at the game in the Blue Jays Guerrerro Jersey is gonna be pissed.

hahaha only himself to blame for that stupidity

alistar
06-12-2012, 10:35 AM
He was wasting his time here anyways. This is the same organization that dicked Jeremy Accardo around for a full year and continued to give a 4th outfielder on 29 other teams the starting left field position instead of giving the draft pick they gave almost $2 million dollars a chance to actually get an ROI back.

treeleaf
06-12-2012, 11:14 AM
man that guy who sat in front of me the other day at the game in the Blue Jays Guerrerro Jersey is gonna be pissed.

Probably the same guy who has the Lind home and away jersey.

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 11:43 AM
his agent has denied that he's retiring...

that would suck .. i was hoping to see him in a Jays uniform

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 11:47 AM
others are saying he's giving the Jays and ultimatum, either call him up or let him go..

why are we not calling him up? its not like Gomes is making huge contributions. Give him a spot on the bench and see if he can still play

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 11:53 AM
others are saying he's giving the Jays and ultimatum, either call him up or let him go..

why are we not calling him up? its not like Gomes is making huge contributions. Give him a spot on the bench and see if he can still play

Agreed - call the guy up and give him a shot.

Krylian
06-12-2012, 11:54 AM
others are saying he's giving the Jays and ultimatum, either call him up or let him go..

why are we not calling him up? its not like Gomes is making huge contributions. Give him a spot on the bench and see if he can still play

If he's gonna be a dick about it and give the team an ultimatum then up his!!

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 11:54 AM
Why would you call a guy up who hasn't even shown he can hit AAA hitting in Las Vegas yet? Outside of last night he's been very bad.

2009mvp
06-12-2012, 11:57 AM
How does calling him up with two series' in NL parks in the next two weeks help anybody? The guy's struggling to hit for power in Vegas, you think pinch hitting once a night is gonna get him back in his groove (if that's even possible at this point, which I doubt)? If he wants to play he'll shut up and wait till the 25th, if he doesn't he can still shut up but use his opt-out and go away. The Jays don't have to do anything right now concerning Vlad.

Krylian
06-12-2012, 12:02 PM
Vladimir Guerrero has resigned from the Toronto Blue Jays. Spanish journalist Hector Gomez spoke with Guerrero, saying the following:

"Promises made to me were not fulfilled. I am not a child. One day I heard one thing and the next day another. I left the team, right now I am at home in Anaheim. I was not treated as a professional. I am not a boy. I proved that I’m ready, I have nothing more to prove in the minors with the numbers that I put. Last night after the game I sent my letter of resignation to the organization. I am not a boy. I demand respect. Let me make it clear I did not take this decision lightly, and had warned it would if I was not satisfied."

According to Gomez, the team has been given a deadline of 1:30 PM today to promote Guerrero, or let him leave.

There was also are report earlier that Guerrero had given the Blue Jays an ultimatum: Call me up or let me go. This, following his four for five performance in last night’s Triple A game in Las Vegas. The ESPN report quoted a source as saying:

Vlad and the Blue Jays had a sort of deadline to upload it to the majors and the time passed without that happening.The Blue Jays have to decide today if they want it or not, but Guerrero will not return to the minor leagues.

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 12:04 PM
Vladimir Guerrero has resigned from the Toronto Blue Jays. Spanish journalist Hector Gomez spoke with Guerrero, saying the following:

"Promises made to me were not fulfilled. I am not a child. One day I heard one thing and the next day another. I left the team, right now I am at home in Anaheim. I was not treated as a professional. I am not a boy. I proved that Iím ready, I have nothing more to prove in the minors with the numbers that I put. Last night after the game I sent my letter of resignation to the organization. I am not a boy. I demand respect. Let me make it clear I did not take this decision lightly, and had warned it would if I was not satisfied."

According to Gomez, the team has been given a deadline of 1:30 PM today to promote Guerrero, or let him leave.

There was also are report earlier that Guerrero had given the Blue Jays an ultimatum: Call me up or let me go. This, following his four for five performance in last nightís Triple A game in Las Vegas. The ESPN report quoted a source as saying:

Vlad and the Blue Jays had a sort of deadline to upload it to the majors and the time passed without that happening.The Blue Jays have to decide today if they want it or not, but Guerrero will not return to the minor leagues.

Pffffff that's a hell of a lot of big talk for a guy who couldn't even get an invite to spring training....

Krylian
06-12-2012, 12:05 PM
Pffffff that's a hell of a lot of big talk for a guy who couldn't even get an invite to spring training....

He's not a little boy though...he's a little bi+ch.

2009mvp
06-12-2012, 12:07 PM
Ouch, coming from a hall of famer that has to raise eyebrows for other players looking at the organization from afar. To be clear I don't think that's a big deal or anything, but it is kinda amazing that the Jays managed to find the loss in what looked like a win-win situation a month ago.

Krylian
06-12-2012, 12:09 PM
Ouch, coming from a hall of famer that has to raise eyebrows for other players looking at the organization from afar. To be clear I don't think that's a big deal or anything, but it is kinda amazing that the Jays managed to find the loss in what looked like a win-win situation a month ago.

He couldn't even get a Spring Training invite. He's in no position to be demanding anything...HOF or not.

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 12:14 PM
What a baby. It was understood from the get-go that he would only make it to the bigs if he were hitting well in Vegas. It was also made clear that he would get 50 ABs in Vegas before any sort of evaluation took place in terms of deciding to call him up or not. He just hit 53 ABs in the organization last night, and still has just 33 in Vegas. It sounds like he knows that his skills are deteriorated, he knows that a call-up was not going to come with the way that he's playing, and now he's trying to go out with pride. He's gonna look like a fool when no other team calls him up to the bigs.

2009mvp
06-12-2012, 12:15 PM
Well if this:

"Vlad and the Blue Jays had a sort of deadline to bring him to the majors and that time just passed, without that happening," a source said. "The Blue Jays have to decide today if they want him or not, but Guerrero will not return to (a) minor league."
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8041892/vladimir-guerrero-leaves-toronto-blue-jays-minor-league-team

is true then yeah, I don't blame him one bit. Blame the Jays for a dumb signing and apparently not being transparent with the player. Of course that's IF that really was the agreement.

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 12:18 PM
Well if this:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8041892/vladimir-guerrero-leaves-toronto-blue-jays-minor-league-team

is true then yeah, I don't blame him one bit. Blame the Jays for a dumb signing and apparently not being transparent with the player. Of course that's IF that really was the agreement.

Farrell said that they wanted to see Vlad get 50 ABs in Vegas before an evaluation...he's only at 33. You'd think they'd have set the deadline for a date closer to the 50 AB mark. I know that's not perfectly predictable, but even with the hand injury one could have anticipated that he wouldn't have 50 ABs by this point.

Also seems silly for the date to be during interleague play. You'd think they would have liked to make a decision after interleague.

This report seems a bit fishy.

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 12:24 PM
BlueBirdBanter speculates that another team has told Vlad's agent that they will bring him to the Majors now. Seems unlikely to me...but they also report that the Blue Jays will announce something today.

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to bringing him up to platoon with Cooper a bit, sending Gomes back down. Not because I think he'll be great, or even good, but Gomes will still be here later in the year. Vlad may not. If he's gonna leave, you may as well see what you've got...

LuckyLuke2
06-12-2012, 12:26 PM
I have read a few and they all say different things. One says he has already left and will opt out of the deal, the other says he is giving them an ultimatum and if they don't call him up then he will leave... and another said that he is staying with the Minor League club.

So who knows. But I don't blame him, I mean come on.... call the guy up wtf are you waiting for?

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 12:28 PM
I have read a few and they all say different things. One says he has already left and will opt out of the deal, the other says he is giving them an ultimatum and if they don't call him up then he will leave... and another said that he is staying with the Minor League club.

So who knows. But I don't blame him, I mean come on.... call the guy up wtf are you waiting for?

Him to hit...

Krylian
06-12-2012, 12:31 PM
I have read a few and they all say different things. One says he has already left and will opt out of the deal, the other says he is giving them an ultimatum and if they don't call him up then he will leave... and another said that he is staying with the Minor League club.

So who knows. But I don't blame him, I mean come on.... call the guy up wtf are you waiting for?

You're gonna let someone who couldn't get a Spring Training manage your roster and dictate when he'll get called up?

The Jays might as well just log in here and start taking our advice.

fmradioguy
06-12-2012, 12:36 PM
Him to hit...

He's hitting .303 at AAA after his 4 hit game last night

fmradioguy
06-12-2012, 12:38 PM
BlueBirdBanter speculates that another team has told Vlad's agent that they will bring him to the Majors now.

That'd be a clear case of tampering, I believe, and land somebody in some serious hot water. Or do tampering rules not govern over minor league contracts?

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 12:39 PM
Good this is exactly why we are a freaken joke. We can't develop our prospects properly and keep rushing them up and making them look horrible and then we sign veterans and break promises.

Call me a negative nancy I don't care but the Rays signed Hideki Matsui the same time we signed Vladdy and you know what they did they brought Hideki up right away and the guy had 2 homeruns in 2 games and I haven't followed him after that to see how he's doing but this is why that organization is miles better than ours. We can't do **** all properly

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 12:39 PM
He's hitting .303 at AAA after his 4 hit game last night

Lovely. Those are 4 of his 10 total hits with Vegas, against Matt Palmer (a 33 year old AAA-er with a 5.50 ERA) and Colt Hynes (a 27-year old lefty AAA-er with a 5.88 ERA) in one of the most hitter-friendly parks in baseball. He's hit weak grounder after weak grounder. He's looked slow on the bases. He has not looked, to me, to be even close to major league ready.

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 12:41 PM
Good this is exactly why we are a freaken joke. We can't develop our prospects properly and keep rushing them up and making them look horrible and then we sign veterans and break promises.

Call me a negative nancy I don't care but the Rays signed Hideki Matsui the same time we signed Vladdy and you know what they did they brought Hideki up right away and the guy had 2 homeruns in 2 games and I haven't followed him after that to see how he's doing but this is why that organization is miles better than ours. We can't do **** all properly

Actually, Hideki Matsui played in 13 games for the AAA Durham. Guerrero has played 8 for Vegas.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 12:44 PM
Actually, Hideki Matsui played in 13 games for the AAA Durham. Guerrero has played 8 for Vegas.

Ya but before Vladdy went to AAA didn't he go to extended spring training or something and get work in there??? and even then Matsui is older than Vladdy to by a year or 2 so 5 games isn't that big a significance. Plus their giving Matsui plenty of playing time even with players coming of injury.
What do we have to lose by having a veteran up in the majors over the random scrubs we have on the bench???

When Edwin got hurt we could've gave Vladdy a shot what did we have to lose?? PLus we had Jan Gomes in LF for a couple innings and that was his first time every playing there what would we have lost by letting Vladdy play there for a few innings in a blow out or something??

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 12:48 PM
just ****ing great... even when we end up making one of these moves to sign a veteran, we still manage to **** it up..

and I agree with eaglesbaby, the Rays had no problem calling up Matsui because they realize that what they have isn't any better.. while we keep on giving scrubs ABs

more ABs for Mccoy and Vizquel please

Krylian
06-12-2012, 12:50 PM
Ya but before Vladdy went to AAA didn't he go to extended spring training or something and get work in there??? and even then Matsui is older than Vladdy to by a year or 2 so 5 games isn't that big a significance. Plus their giving Matsui plenty of playing time even with players coming of injury.
What do we have to lose by having a veteran up in the majors over the random scrubs we have on the bench???

When Edwin got hurt we could've gave Vladdy a shot what did we have to lose?? PLus we had Jan Gomes in LF for a couple innings and that was his first time every playing there what would we have lost by letting Vladdy play there for a few innings in a blow out or something??

Vlad has no legs. This isn't like giving a healthy guy a chance to get back to the bigs who's already in good shape.

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 12:52 PM
Good this is exactly why we are a freaken joke. We can't develop our prospects properly and keep rushing them up and making them look horrible and then we sign veterans and break promises.

Call me a negative nancy I don't care but the Rays signed Hideki Matsui the same time we signed Vladdy and you know what they did they brought Hideki up right away and the guy had 2 homeruns in 2 games and I haven't followed him after that to see how he's doing but this is why that organization is miles better than ours. We can't do **** all properly

Here you go - problem solved: http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 12:52 PM
Vlad has no legs. This isn't like giving a healthy guy a chance to get back to the bigs who's already in good shape.

he's gonna be a DH to start so who cares.. he's probably faster than JP and Gomes

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 12:52 PM
Ya but before Vladdy went to AAA didn't he go to extended spring training or something and get work in there??? and even then Matsui is older than Vladdy to by a year or 2 so 5 games isn't that big a significance. Plus their giving Matsui plenty of playing time even with players coming of injury.
What do we have to lose by having a veteran up in the majors over the random scrubs we have on the bench???

When Edwin got hurt we could've gave Vladdy a shot what did we have to lose?? PLus we had Jan Gomes in LF for a couple innings and that was his first time every playing there what would we have lost by letting Vladdy play there for a few innings in a blow out or something??

I don't know about Matsui, but yes, Guerrero went to EST and then played a few games in Dunedin. That doesn't matter. You need to see how well he does against competition comparable to what he'd see in the majors. I do know, however, that Matsui signed on April 30th and Vlad signed on May 11th. So in response to your earlier claim, they did not sign at the same time.

And the reason why we haven't seen Vladdy in that role is because they wanted him to get to a point where he could play near everyday. That's not going to happen getting spot ABs in the majors. That's why they wanted him to get 50 ABs in AAA before calling him up, so that he's up to speed and ready to be more than a pinch hitter.

The fact is that he's been grounding out constantly in AAA. He's not hitting for any power in one of the most hitter friendly parks in baseball. I've watched the games. I'm not just talking out of my ***. His bat speed is essentially gone. He has not looked good and you're not gonna call up a guy who couldn't even make the roster out of spring training and who hasn't been performing.

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 12:53 PM
Here you go - problem solved: http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37

haha very funny..

so there is something wrong for wishing that your team can manage to do something right every once in a while.. almost every move we've made this year has ended up blowing in our faces

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 12:54 PM
Doesn't matter - Jays officially released Vlad.

I just find it HILARIOUS that people are so up in arms... these same people were mad that he was even signed....! :laugh2: Now they're mad he wasn't called up.

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 12:55 PM
I don't know about Matsui, but yes, Guerrero went to EST and then played a few games in Dunedin. That doesn't matter. You need to see how well he does against competition comparable to what he'd see in the majors. I do know, however, that Matsui signed on April 30th and Vlad signed on May 11th. So in response to your earlier claim, they did not sign at the same time.

And the reason why we haven't seen Vladdy in that role is because they wanted him to get to a point where he could play near everyday. That's not going to happen getting spot ABs in the majors. That's why they wanted him to get 50 ABs in AAA before calling him up, so that he's up to speed and ready to be more than a pinch hitter.

The fact is that he's been grounding out constantly in AAA. He's not hitting for any power in one of the most hitter friendly parks in baseball. I've watched the games. I'm not just talking out of my ***. His bat speed is essentially gone. He has not looked good and you're not gonna call up a guy who couldn't even make the roster out of spring training and who hasn't been performing.

well then they should have released him after the supposed deadline passed

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Doesn't matter - Jays officially released Vlad.

I just find it HILARIOUS that people are so up in arms... these same people were mad that he was even signed....! :laugh2: Now they're mad he wasn't called up.

i think most people didn't mind the signing.. and again like eaglesbaby said it was can't lose situation and we managed to escape with no gains

Gomes is what basically kept us from having guy who just 2 years ago was in the MVP discussion.. i'm not saying vlad is great but neither is Gomes and he is no rush to be here

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 12:57 PM
haha very funny..

so there is something wrong for wishing that your team can manage to do something right every once in a while.. almost every move we've made this year has ended up blowing in our faces

They do lots right, you just don't see it in your world. I can't really imagine what it's like going through your life. I mean that sincerely, no trolling, no anger, just.... wow. One day when you realize how far all this negativity got you, you might actually realize things aren't ALWAYS as terrible as you make it seem.

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 12:58 PM
i think most people didn't mind the signing.. and again like eaglesbaby said it was can't lose situation and we managed to escape with no gains

Gomes is what basically kept us from having guy who just 2 years ago was in the MVP discussion.. i'm not saying vlad is great but neither is Gomes and he is no rush to be here

What is this "can't lose situation" you're talking about? The one where there's a 37 year old DH who can't run, can't field and can't even hit in the PCL?

Is this the one you're talking about? Im serious, I want to know....

**** - you guys will ***** about anything and everything.....

Jays#1
06-12-2012, 12:59 PM
I am sure the Jays staff in Las Vegas have a better understanding of whether or not Vladdy could play in the majors or not, if they say he wasn't ready I will take their word over anyone on here. Nothing lost by releasing him in my opinion.

ktownguy31
06-12-2012, 01:00 PM
And i just got a msg...hes been released

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 01:00 PM
Vlad has no legs. This isn't like giving a healthy guy a chance to get back to the bigs who's already in good shape.
No bro but we were letting JPA bat behind Jose and DH at the same time like seriously??
We had a bottome of the order of Vizquel, McCoy and Davis one game like atleast could've given the guy spot duty.

Here you go - problem solved: http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37
omg hahahahahaha your sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo funny bahahahhahahahahaha, you should go on comedy central

I don't know about Matsui, but yes, Guerrero went to EST and then played a few games in Dunedin. That doesn't matter. You need to see how well he does against competition comparable to what he'd see in the majors. I do know, however, that Matsui signed on April 30th and Vlad signed on May 11th. So in response to your earlier claim, they did not sign at the same time.

And the reason why we haven't seen Vladdy in that role is because they wanted him to get to a point where he could play near everyday. That's not going to happen getting spot ABs in the majors. That's why they wanted him to get 50 ABs in AAA before calling him up, so that he's up to speed and ready to be more than a pinch hitter.

The fact is that he's been grounding out constantly in AAA. He's not hitting for any power in one of the most hitter friendly parks in baseball. I've watched the games. I'm not just talking out of my ***. His bat speed is essentially gone. He has not looked good and you're not gonna call up a guy who couldn't even make the roster out of spring training and who hasn't been performing.

I trust your opinions because you watch AAA more than anyone on this forum but my point is what did we have to lose anyways by giving him a shot.

N cmon man who gives a crap about JF's set amount of bat attempts before judging a player. This guy gave Thames like 200 AB's before realizing he's actually crap and waited 100 AB's before recognizing Lind was worthless batting behind Jose. This is the same guy who runs Francisco Cordero out on a nightly basis over the other guys far superior to him. I don't trust his instincts one bit because his track records proven otherwise.

Not to mention this is a big veteran of the game, how long would it take for him to realistically get up to speed anyways and what better way than big league at bats anyways?? Besides that one game in ATL where we broke out our bats have been horrendous anyways so we couldn't have possibly lost anything anyways.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 01:02 PM
They do lots right, you just don't see it in your world. I can't really imagine what it's like going through your life. I mean that sincerely, no trolling, no anger, just.... wow. One day when you realize how far all this negativity got you, you might actually realize things aren't ALWAYS as terrible as you make it seem.

Ya I mean, its pretty pathetic always complaining about a team that consistantly makes the playoffs isn't it??
Oh no waitttt

It's always nice spending money on free agents to help put you over the top ehh??
Oh noo waittt..

Seriously get of us and find something productive to do

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 01:03 PM
They do lots right, you just don't see it in your world. I can't really imagine what it's like going through your life. I mean that sincerely, no trolling, no anger, just.... wow. One day when you realize how far all this negativity got you, you might actually realize things aren't ALWAYS as terrible as you make it seem.

please find something else to nag about because i don't care what you think of me personally..

Dol-Fan
06-12-2012, 01:04 PM
I trust your opinions because you watch AAA more than anyone on this forum but my point is what did we have to lose anyways by giving him a shot.

N cmon man who gives a crap about JF's set amount of bat attempts before judging a player. This guy gave Thames like 200 AB's before realizing he's actually crap and waited 100 AB's before recognizing Lind was worthless batting behind Jose. This is the same guy who runs Francisco Cordero out on a nightly basis over the other guys far superior to him. I don't trust his instincts one bit because his track records proven otherwise.

Not to mention this is a big veteran of the game, how long would it take for him to realistically get up to speed anyways and what better way than big league at bats anyways?? Besides that one game in ATL where we broke out our bats have been horrendous anyways so we couldn't have possibly lost anything anyways.

I'd imagine that decisions on when to call up a player would come, primarily, from AA. JF was likely regurgitating AA's expectations.

I mean, Vlad was pretty bad last year. I don't see why that wouldn't continue this year. I wouldn't have been mad if they brought him up over Yan Gomes but I can understand why they didn't. Vlad hasn't shown that he can play the field and we're in interleague play. It would make more sense to wait until after interleague play and then let him split DH at-bats with Cooper.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 01:05 PM
please find something else to nag about because i don't care what you think of me personally..

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Honestly ehh. I mean I never knew complaining about a team who hasn't had success for years is such a bad thing.

Seriously people are hilarious nowadays

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 01:05 PM
Ya I mean, its pretty pathetic always complaining about a team that consistantly makes the playoffs isn't it??
Oh no waitttt

It's always nice spending money on free agents to help put you over the top ehh??
Oh noo waittt..

Seriously get of us and find something productive to do

Sorry I didn't mean to interupt your and Bomber's whine-fest.... about ****ing Vlad of all people! I mean, what a HUGE blow to the Jays playoff chances.

Please... continue.... I'll stay out of it as if we didn't have you two guys here to ***** and moan about everything the place would actually be used for constructive comments and discussion. Who would want that?

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 01:05 PM
What is this "can't lose situation" you're talking about? The one where there's a 37 year old DH who can't run, can't field and can't even hit in the PCL?

Is this the one you're talking about? Im serious, I want to know....

**** - you guys will ***** about anything and everything.....

again.. it was can't lose since you can afford to give Vlad ABs with the horrible lineups we continue to put out every night.

All you lose is you have to send gomes to the minors for 15 games.. if Vlad blows then you release him. But you don't just release him without giving him a shot.. again, there was nothing to lose by giving him 10 or 15 games

Krylian
06-12-2012, 01:06 PM
Vlad is gone. Yippee!

This is gonna start getting personal very soon I fear.

/thread.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 01:06 PM
I'd imagine that decisions on when to call up a player would come, primarily, from AA. JF was likely regurgitating AA's expectations.

I mean, Vlad was pretty bad last year. I don't see why that wouldn't continue this year. I wouldn't have been mad if they brought him up over Yan Gomes but I can understand why they didn't. Vlad hasn't shown that he can play the field and we're in interleague play. It would make more sense to wait until after interleague play and then let him split DH at-bats with Cooper.

Fair enough like I said i trust your assessment so ill leave it at that and I appreciate you coming at me calmly instead of ragging on me for being negative:facepalm:

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 01:07 PM
Sorry I didn't mean to interupt your and Bomber's whine-fest.... about ****ing Vlad of all people! I mean, what a HUGE blow to the Jays playoff chances.

Please... continue.... I'll stay out of it as if we didn't have you two guys here to ***** and moan about everything the place would actually be used for constructive comments and discussion. Who would want that?

Ya I mean backseat moderating makes things better right

Pardon me for being emotionally tied to my team

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 01:07 PM
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Honestly ehh. I mean I never knew complaining about a team who hasn't had success for years is such a bad thing.

Seriously people are hilarious nowadays

people need to understand that there is a difference between being negative and being real

alistar
06-12-2012, 01:11 PM
people need to understand that there is a difference between being negative and being real

So which are you?

Krylian
06-12-2012, 01:16 PM
So which are you?

He's a potty mouth.

2009mvp
06-12-2012, 01:26 PM
Either Vlad went out like a real punk or the Jays could've handled the situation much better. I'm betting on the former, but that's without much to go on. Seems like they had a rough timeline in mind as to when they'd evaluate his progress, and he didn't meet their standards. Not hard to imagine a hall of fame talent lashing out after basically being told he just doesn't have it anymore.

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 01:27 PM
So which are you?

clearly a realist.. tough to call me negative when everything i say is true

Korac
06-12-2012, 01:32 PM
Lol, so much drama. :violin:

Clearly Vlad had a much different view on where he was compared to where the Jays thought he was. Based on what the Jays have said (publicly at least) and his mediocre AAA play (Last night's one good game notwithstanding), calling him up to play interleague right now should not only have been not expected, but would have been a very questionable move imo.

Whether or not the Jays and Vlad hadsome sort of super secret Decoder ring-only agreement or not (Again, the Jays had been laying out their timetable publicly, why did he not say anything before?), if they don't think he's ready, he shouldn't be called up. Ultimatums are childish and, frankly, I'm a little disappointed in Vladdy.

I'm sure the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but I'm sure it's for the best that he is longer with us, and I doubt we lost much here. Just too bad it had to end this way.

alistar
06-12-2012, 01:33 PM
clearly a realist.. tough to call me negative when everything i say is true

Weren't you the same guy that said Luis Perez was going to blow the lead cause he sucks and then called him a beast after he got out of it during the same game? Maybe I'm confused, but which one of those is true?

Also, weren't you the same guy that called Igarashi coming up, forgive me if I misquote you but something along the line that "my wish has come true" or something in that vein? Or do I have that wrong too?

Krylian
06-12-2012, 01:35 PM
Weren't you the same guy that said Luis Perez was going to blow the lead cause he sucks and then called him a beast after he got out of it during the same game? Maybe I'm confused, but which one of those is true?

Also, weren't you the same guy that called Igarashi coming up, forgive me if I misquote you but something along the line that "my wish has come true" or something in that vein? Or do I have wrong too?

It's not a lie if he knows the truth.

alistar
06-12-2012, 01:40 PM
It's not a lie if he knows the truth.

I'm confused, which is which?

DeRozan10
06-12-2012, 01:42 PM
clearly a realist.. tough to call me negative when everything i say is true

hahahaha this just proves bomber is insanely delusional!!!!

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 01:46 PM
hahahaha this just proves bomber has no reality!!!!

You remember growing up in class? There was always ONE guy who thought he was right about everything but the rest of class knew he was the ONE guy who wasn't right about anything?

It's kinda like that....

DeRozan10
06-12-2012, 01:49 PM
You remember growing up in class? There was always ONE guy who thought he was right about everything but the rest of class knew he was the ONE guy who wasn't right about anything?

It's kinda like that....

HAHAHA you bet man!!!! I agree 100%

killersweet
06-12-2012, 02:01 PM
They do lots right, you just don't see it in your world. I can't really imagine what it's like going through your life. I mean that sincerely, no trolling, no anger, just.... wow. One day when you realize how far all this negativity got you, you might actually realize things aren't ALWAYS as terrible as you make it seem.

In your world they do everything right:p

treeleaf
06-12-2012, 02:01 PM
The truth is not everything is positive in real life. If everyone was positive, the arguments on this forum wouldnt be very interesting.

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 02:07 PM
Weren't you the same guy that said Luis Perez was going to blow the lead cause he sucks and then called him a beast after he got out of it during the same game? Maybe I'm confused, but which one of those is true?

Also, weren't you the same guy that called Igarashi coming up, forgive me if I misquote you but something along the line that "my wish has come true" or something in that vein? Or do I have that wrong too?

nope.. that wasn't me concerning Perez

as for Igarashi, there was no harm in giving him a shot.. I think i speak for most people saying that i've had enough of Crawford after the Tampa series

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 02:07 PM
The truth is not everything is positive in real life. If everyone was positive, the arguments on this forum wouldnt be very interesting.

exactly, and when you cheer for a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 20 years, there are gonna be more negatives than positives and people need to accept that

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 02:12 PM
You remember growing up in class? There was always ONE guy who thought he was right about everything but the rest of class knew he was the ONE guy who wasn't right about anything?

It's kinda like that....

I'm not trying to bait or get banned or get an infraction or seem like a douche or get personal at all,
But I just looked at your profile and it says your 31 years old( not sure if its your real age but lets assume it is), you do know that were around 20-22 years of age and that our emotions are much more different than yours and thus our reactions are more different than yours. Kinda like how people were ragging on lawrie and Harper for being unorthodox but these are regular early adult boys with the youthful energy doing there thing.

So again I'm not getting personal but you have to seriously ease up and understand our situations cause this is getting pretty sad.

alistar
06-12-2012, 02:18 PM
nope.. that wasn't me concerning Perez
as for Igarashi, there was no harm in giving him a shot.. I think i speak for most people saying that i've had enough of Crawford after the Tampa series

No, it was you. It was what my first post was about. Note the 2 hour time difference it takes to go from loser to beast.

Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 06:55 PM
perez loses it .. book it.. i ****ing hate farrell


Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Perez... what a ****ing beast today.. that is why i wanted him in the rotation with Cecil down

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 02:37 PM
No, it was you. It was what my first post was about. Note the 2 hour time difference it takes to go from loser to beast.

Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 06:55 PM
perez loses it .. book it.. i ****ing hate farrell


Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Perez... what a ****ing beast today.. that is why i wanted him in the rotation with Cecil down


what was that, the first game of the year?

get real dude.. and go back and check the gamethread.. i was pissed because Perez wasn't brought in earlier to face the lefty.

plus, this was a dude that had a 5.12 ERA the previous year so there are plenty of reasons to be worried about him losing the game

and he did end up pitching really well which was nice.. as for Cecil, i would have taken anyone over Cecil

Korac
06-12-2012, 02:50 PM
No, it was you. It was what my first post was about. Note the 2 hour time difference it takes to go from loser to beast.

Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 06:55 PM
perez loses it .. book it.. i ****ing hate farrell


Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Perez... what a ****ing beast today.. that is why i wanted him in the rotation with Cecil down

:burn:

es0terik
06-12-2012, 03:08 PM
Gomes is what basically kept us from having guy who just 2 years ago was in the MVP discussion.. i'm not saying vlad is great but neither is Gomes and he is no rush to be here

Weren't you just marking out for Gomes like a week ago?


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Honestly ehh. I mean I never knew complaining about a team who hasn't had success for years is such a bad thing.

Seriously people are hilarious nowadays

complaining =/= crying-*****ing-moaning like a little girl


I'm not trying to bait or get banned or get an infraction or seem like a douche or get personal at all,
But I just looked at your profile and it says your 31 years old( not sure if its your real age but lets assume it is), you do know that were around 20-22 years of age and that our emotions are much more different than yours and thus our reactions are more different than yours. Kinda like how people were ragging on lawrie and Harper for being unorthodox but these are regular early adult boys with the youthful energy doing there thing.

So again I'm not getting personal but you have to seriously ease up and understand our situations cause this is getting pretty sad.

Him being older than you gives him more of a reason to be upset over this team because he's seen them fail much longer than you have. Anyways, I'm 19 years old and for some reason I don't seem to be overflowing with estrogen.


No, it was you. It was what my first post was about. Note the 2 hour time difference it takes to go from loser to beast.

Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 06:55 PM
perez loses it .. book it.. i ****ing hate farrell


Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Perez... what a ****ing beast today.. that is why i wanted him in the rotation with Cecil down

:clap: :laugh2:

FlakeyFool
06-12-2012, 03:09 PM
No, it was you. It was what my first post was about. Note the 2 hour time difference it takes to go from loser to beast.

Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 06:55 PM
perez loses it .. book it.. i ****ing hate farrell


Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Perez... what a ****ing beast today.. that is why i wanted him in the rotation with Cecil down

lol

es0terik
06-12-2012, 03:11 PM
I love threads like this :laugh2:

StayOnBoard
06-12-2012, 03:13 PM
No, it was you. It was what my first post was about. Note the 2 hour time difference it takes to go from loser to beast.

Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 06:55 PM
perez loses it .. book it.. i ****ing hate farrell


Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Perez... what a ****ing beast today.. that is why i wanted him in the rotation with Cecil down

This was ****ing epic :hi5: Brilliant!

The dude rages after every pitch, it's no wonder why he simply can't wrap his brain around this....

killersweet
06-12-2012, 03:17 PM
I'm not trying to bait or get banned or get an infraction or seem like a douche or get personal at all,
But I just looked at your profile and it says your 31 years old( not sure if its your real age but lets assume it is), you do know that were around 20-22 years of age and that our emotions are much more different than yours and thus our reactions are more different than yours. Kinda like how people were ragging on lawrie and Harper for being unorthodox but these are regular early adult boys with the youthful energy doing there thing.

So again I'm not getting personal but you have to seriously ease up and understand our situations cause this is getting pretty sad.


I donít think age thing really matters. It is that people react differently to how the team is going. I donít think there should be any censorship on how someone feels about the team. Some people are more passionate than others and if you donít like their views, simply ignore them. But I know some fans here get very sensitive when you say negative things about the team.

Krylian
06-12-2012, 03:18 PM
Can't admit being wrong...even when everyone knows it and sees it in black and white.

Queue the deletion of the last 50 posts because it's off topic and disruptive...

phillipmike
06-12-2012, 03:19 PM
No, it was you. It was what my first post was about. Note the 2 hour time difference it takes to go from loser to beast.

Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 06:55 PM
perez loses it .. book it.. i ****ing hate farrell


Originally Posted by bomber0104 04-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Perez... what a ****ing beast today.. that is why i wanted him in the rotation with Cecil down

Thanks bud. I think i found my new sig.

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 03:34 PM
Can't admit being wrong...even when everyone knows it and sees it in black and white.

Queue the deletion of the last 50 posts because it's off topic and disruptive...

how am i wrong? i also can go back and handpick random posts by people without mentioning the context in which these comments were made..

obviously, everyone missed the post where i said that i actually wanted Perez to come in earlier in the inning to face the lefty not after the runner got on

bomber0104
06-12-2012, 03:36 PM
Thanks bud. I think i found my new sig.

i'm starting to lose track of all the fanboys.. i'm becoming the justin Bieber of PSD

Eagles4Lyfe
06-12-2012, 03:41 PM
i'm starting to lose track of all the fanboys.. i'm becoming the justin Bieber of PSD

lmfao I wont lie im becoming quite jealous

wagnall
06-12-2012, 04:08 PM
Whats this all got to do with Vladdy fast tracking out of Toronto. :confused::)

StealingSigns
06-12-2012, 04:18 PM
Yeah, this thread is off-topic, and now redundant...