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Corey
05-17-2012, 02:07 PM
Factoring in post-playing career.

Discuss.

(will move to comparison forum after discussion picks up)

natelpete
05-17-2012, 02:08 PM
Well, I don't see a future with MJ being coach/exec of the year. So maybe?

Super.
05-17-2012, 02:09 PM
" Indiana Pacers President Larry Bird was voted NBA's Executive of year on Wednesday, becoming the first person to win that award plus MVP and Coach of the year honors. "

" People are having the conversation that Larry Bird has had the greatest career of any american athlete ever. " Mike/ Mike ESPN 05/17/2012


Larry Bird-
- NBA 50th Ann. All NBA Team (1996)
- NBA Basketball Hall of Fame (1998)
- USBWA College player of year (1979)
- James Naismith Award (1979)
- John Wooden Award (1979)
- NBA league MVP (3- time) (1984- 1986)
- NBA World Champion (3- time) (1981/ 1984/ 1986)
- NBA Finals MVP (1984/ 1986)
- NBA Finals (1981/ 1984/ 1985/ 1986/ 1987/ 2000(Coach Pacers)
- NBA All-Star MVP (1982)
- NBA All-Star Three Point Champion (1985- 1988)
- NBA Career 24.3 ppg 10.0 rpg 6.3 apg 1.7 spg (note- 3.7 apg from triple double for career)
- NCAA College 1st Team (1978/ 1979)
- NCAA AP National Player of Year (1979)
- NCAA Oscar Robertson Trophy (1979)
- NBA Coach of Year (1998 IND Pacers)
- NCAA MVC Player of year (1978/ 1979)
- NCAA Adolph Rupp Award (1979)
- NBA Rookie of Year (1980)
- NBA All-First Team (9x 1980- 1988)
- NBA All-Star (12x)
- NBA Executive of year (2012)

(Credit to Bird Fan of the Celtics forum for this (http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=721020))

Super.
05-17-2012, 02:16 PM
Factoring in post-playing career.

Discuss.

(will move to comparison forum after discussion picks up)

You whore

ChicagoJ
05-17-2012, 02:18 PM
I don't have all the numbers, but Jerry West probably surpasses him. 7 championships as general manager in addition to to everything he did as a player.

Corey
05-17-2012, 02:20 PM
You whore

Beat you by a minute have babe ;)

jetsfan28
05-17-2012, 02:22 PM
I'd weigh playing career much more heavily than post-playing career. And Jordan is the best player ever.

If Bird wins another ring, maybe I'll need to evaluate it. But remember, Jordan is the one who beat Bird in '98. Bird's Pacers lost to the 8 seed Knicks in '99, despite having home court advantage, the Knicks being the 8 seed, and having the better roster (the Knicks had Chris Dudley starting at center, the Pacers had a clear advantage in their bigs, Miller was better than Houston, Jackson was better than Ward, and Rose could keep up with Sprewell).

And the Pacers were bad for a few years before this one. He needs to have more playoff success before his post-playing career trumps Jordan's playing career. And Jordan's biggest mistake (Kwame) is one that Bird likely would have made as well.

NYMetros
05-17-2012, 02:27 PM
Jordan still has twice the championships, so I'd say no. No doubt Jordan should get out of front office management though.

KnicksorBust
05-17-2012, 02:36 PM
No. Being the GOAT basketball player is superior to winning 1 Coaching Award + 1 Exec Award. It's impressive what Bird has done but he still hasn't led them to a title.

Bill Russell's 9 rings as a player and 2 rings as player-coach is more impressive than Bird as well.

TheIlladelph16
05-17-2012, 02:43 PM
No. Being the GOAT basketball player is superior to winning 1 Coaching Award + 1 Exec Award. It's impressive what Bird has done but he still hasn't led them to a title.

Bill Russell's 9 rings as a player and 2 rings as player-coach is more impressive than Bird as well.

This.... Bird has had a phenomenal career, but Jordan's is the GOAT in terms of playing career which is very hard to trump even with front office/coaching success.

Toxeryll
05-17-2012, 02:45 PM
Jordan's playing career>>>Bird's entire NBA career

tredigs
05-17-2012, 03:10 PM
No, being - only somewhat arguably - THE premiere player of your games history and one of the most recognizable/marketable figures (not sports, period) of a generation absolutely trumps Bird's stellar playing/post-play career.

Had Jordan gone on to ambiguouty or blown away his fortune in poor investments (spare the 'Cats jokes, that legacy is far from done and he'll see an ROI) we might have a discussion. But, that's not the case.

Hawkeye15
05-17-2012, 04:01 PM
No. Being the GOAT basketball player is superior to winning 1 Coaching Award + 1 Exec Award. It's impressive what Bird has done but he still hasn't led them to a title.

Bill Russell's 9 rings as a player and 2 rings as player-coach is more impressive than Bird as well.

Agreed. Factor in Jordan won the NCAA Championship game, and he has 7 titles in his profession.

JasonJohnHorn
05-17-2012, 04:17 PM
Well Bird has had a hand in three Indy squads being contenders. He coached the Miller/Rose?Smits squad, he put together the Miller/O'Neal/Artest/Jackson squad, and now he's put together this Granger/Hibbert/West/Hansborough squad. I'd say he's pretty good at putting a team together. He's done it twice now, after coaching a team to the NBA finals, and the first time they may have very well won it all if it wasn't for the Malice at the Palace! And the squad he's put together now... he can still build on it, they are young and will be able to build on what they got for a few years.

That said, Bird has not won a title working in the office... and Jordan has a couple of rings and MVP awards on Bird as a player (though I think as players they are equals, Jordan won more). So Jordan, in terms of winning, is still a little ahead of Bird, but if Bird stays on with the Pacers, he may very well even things up over the next five years.

metsbulls1025
05-17-2012, 04:20 PM
No because Larry never beat Michael in the McDonald commercials.

YankeesR#2
05-17-2012, 04:21 PM
No. Being the GOAT basketball player is superior to winning 1 Coaching Award + 1 Exec Award. It's impressive what Bird has done but he still hasn't led them to a title.

Bill Russell's 9 rings as a player and 2 rings as player-coach is more impressive than Bird as well.

It's also more impressive than Jordan's accomplishments.

Russell won more championships than Jordan as just a player and he added two as player-coach.

Vincent
05-17-2012, 05:14 PM
I think Jordan's impact on the game along with his impact on professional sports makes his "career" more of a success.

Especially if you take in account to being a majority owner of a team (which isn't easy financially to do), while building one of the most recognizable brands in sports is something to take in account.

justinnum1
05-17-2012, 05:19 PM
jordan>all

Raph12
05-17-2012, 06:44 PM
Give me Jordan...

lakersfan01
05-17-2012, 06:48 PM
I'll take Jordan's career any day. So what he's a joke of an executive. He's the greatest perimeter player of all time.

justjames
05-17-2012, 06:52 PM
Overall NBA career ranking is between Jordan and Jerry West. The rest don't even matter.

xbrackattackx
05-17-2012, 06:52 PM
Also Larry Legends back injuries took a Few years off his career, if healthy he would have been even more phemonal. Plus wasn't he the first to avg 50% and 90 % on fg and ft percentage?