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raiderposting
05-17-2012, 12:24 AM
first of all i think blake should of taken that shot, he was wide open. and yeah kobe did a horrible job closing. But why does blake close the games? shouldn't sessions close them? i just can stand blake playing, never liked him he's too streaky for me.

Edit- the thread was called steve blake, a mod changed the name of the thread so its misleading, i think steve should of taken the shot. this is about blake closing the fourth in games and not sessions.

D1JM
05-17-2012, 12:29 AM
he was wide open. why not?

raiderposting
05-17-2012, 12:31 AM
he was wide open. why not?

i said he should of taken the shot, i dont know why the mod changed the name of the thread, it was called steve blake.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-17-2012, 12:32 AM
It shouldn't have even come to that last shot. Kobe ****ed up.

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:32 AM
If Kobe realizes the Lakers strength is their inside game, they might be ok. Prob too late though. Sad for Gasol and Bynum tho. Kobe is great and will be looked at as great as time goes on, but... He blew it. Period

raiderposting
05-17-2012, 12:34 AM
If Kobe realizes the Lakers strength is their inside game, they might be ok. Prob too late though. Sad for Gasol and Bynum tho. Kobe is great and will be looked at as great as time goes on, but... He blew it. Period

i know i said that lol. im just talking about blake closing the fourth and not sessions. i have no idea why the mod changed the name of my thread, this isn't about the last shot

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:35 AM
first of all i think blake should of taken that shot, he was wide open. and yeah kobe did a horrible job closing. But why does blake close the games? shouldn't sessions close them? i just can stand blake playing, never liked him he's too streaky for me.

Edit- the thread was called steve blake, a mod changed the name of the thread so its misleading, i think steve should of taken the shot.

The Mods here suck more *** than a vacuum cleaner ever could. Steve SHOULD have taken that shot but the Lakers should have fed it inside in the 4th. The Mods her suck so bad, especially ManRams broke ***...:facepalm:

C-Style
05-17-2012, 12:35 AM
Who cares about the last shot, it should have never come down to that.

torocan
05-17-2012, 12:37 AM
Who cares about the last shot, it should have never come down to that.

This.

2 x turnovers with < 2 mins to play? Steal + bad pass cost them the game. Blake took the open shot and missed. It happens.

Blame the previous 90s of choketastic goodness.

pd1dish
05-17-2012, 12:38 AM
The Mods here suck more *** than a vacuum cleaner ever could. Steve SHOULD have taken that shot but the Lakers should have fed it inside in the 4th. The Mods her suck so bad, especially ManRams broke ***...:facepalm:

lol

raiderposting
05-17-2012, 12:38 AM
Who cares about the last shot, it should have never come down to that.

read my post this isn't about the last shot, the mod changed the name so it doesnt even make sense, stupid *** mod just delete this thread.

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:41 AM
lol

haha prove me wrong! You could only make a case for Blake ;) :p

justinnum1
05-17-2012, 12:41 AM
It shouldn't have even come to that last shot. Kobe ****ed up.

this. kobe and blake choked mad ****ing hard, like needing cpr choking...

raiderposting
05-17-2012, 12:43 AM
who was the ****** mod who changed the name of my thread and made it misleading? your a ******. anyways I think the lakers really need to get a PG. sessions is decent, and blake is horrible, hits a few 3games every now you then

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:43 AM
read my post this isn't about the last shot, the mod changed the name so it doesnt even make sense, stupid *** mod just delete this thread.

Oh, they will delete threads for no reason or move to somewhere that makes no sense... But that's because they are post padders or teenagers.... Sad fact. When you are finally fed up go ahead and TRY to remove ur account... and guess who padsssss members... Boom. Fact

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-17-2012, 12:44 AM
this. kobe and blake choked mad ****ing hard, like needing cpr choking...

Reminds me of Lebron except he does it often!
But yes **** Kobe he choked hard

popo85
05-17-2012, 12:45 AM
The worst part is instead of trying to foul Westbrook with time left he starts *****ing at Artest, 5 rings or not he will never be MJ...

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:46 AM
Reminds me of Lebron except he does it often!
But yes **** Kobe he choked hard

Too bad the Mods here can't choke, they can only suck without fear of chokeage.

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:47 AM
The worst part is instead of trying to foul Westbrook with time left he starts *****ing at Artest, 5 rings or not he will never be MJ...

B4 the end of the 4th he shoud have used their inside game, their strength... Great or not, it takes a team. This game was sad to watch after the 3rd in my opinion

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-17-2012, 12:47 AM
The worst part is instead of trying to foul Westbrook with time left he starts *****ing at Artest, 5 rings or not he will never be MJ...

Exactly I saw that I was pissed we could've had 3 seconds back and while he may never be Jordan he will be the closest thing we will ever see to him

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:49 AM
Exactly I saw that I was pissed we could've had 3 seconds back and while he may never be Jordan he will be the closest thing we will ever see to him

and this is why, in the end, it's more than talent, skill, abillity... GOAT got it done because he had more drive and IQ than all.

Mr.ATLHawks
05-17-2012, 12:52 AM
Kobe has been ******* up for a few years now in the playoffs. Remember the air ball Gasol tipped in Game 6 vs OKC few years ago, or how about the brick fadeaway 3 pointer that Artest vs Boston Game 7 NBA Finals..I dont know why you are surprised. Isnt this vintage Kobe? "Either i'm going to do it or nobody will". Somebody said it exactly right, Jordan would share the limelight to win the game. Kobe wants to do it himself, and quite frankly he is too old for it now.

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:55 AM
Kobe has been ******* up for a few years now in the playoffs. Remember the air ball Gasol tipped in Game 6 vs OKC few years ago, or how about the brick fadeaway 3 pointer that Artest vs Boston Game 7 NBA Finals..I dont know why you are surprised. Isnt this vintage Kobe? "Either i'm going to do it or nobody will". Somebody said it exactly right, Jordan would share the limelight to win the game. Kobe wants to do it himself, and quite frankly he is too old for it now.

Exactly, like I said, he has had a great career, BUT... They don't have a chance without realizing their strength is the inside game. If I was Gasol or Bynum I'd hope I was traded...

OaklandsFinest
05-17-2012, 01:06 AM
While a lot of people are overreacting, I have been saying this for a long time that Kobe is not a great closer, he shoots a horrible percentage in 4th quarters, gets blinded so that he doesn't see team mates, and plays VERY selfishly. I wouldn't take Kobe in the 4th over Lebron any day.

popo85
05-17-2012, 01:07 AM
Kobe has been ******* up for a few years now in the playoffs. Remember the air ball Gasol tipped in Game 6 vs OKC few years ago, or how about the brick fadeaway 3 pointer that Artest vs Boston Game 7 NBA Finals..I dont know why you are surprised. Isnt this vintage Kobe? "Either i'm going to do it or nobody will". Somebody said it exactly right, Jordan would share the limelight to win the game. Kobe wants to do it himself, and quite frankly he is too old for it now.

Im a Laker fan but thats the honest truth, yes he has on 5 rings but he's had some of the worst playoff performances for a superstar ever..That game 7 in PHX should also be included....

Il Mago50
05-17-2012, 01:39 AM
Metta does not deserve any junk for his decision. Kobe was not getting open at all, it was 3 on the clock and does anyone really think a cross court inbounds in that situation with OKC's athletes doesn't get picked off. The Lakers had no timeouts left, Metta knew that, and saw an open player in the corner.

The real idiot move belongs to Kobe. You're down by one on the road. You have 20-25 seconds left in the game and the defense has a foul to give. You wind the clock down to 5 seconds and then make a move, killing any flexibility you might have had as a team instead of taking a shot with 8-10 seconds left, fouling if missing and going for the tie at the end. Then Kobe proceeds to ***** on the court and not foul the rebounder, giving them no shot at a desperation shot. Oh, and he played **** D on Harden down the wire, turned the ball over 2 times when the game was all but sealed...

Kobe costed them that game. No one to blame but him, absolutely no one.

greg_ory_2005
05-17-2012, 01:42 AM
A wide open shot to a very good shooter. I'd take that any day.

naps
05-17-2012, 02:10 AM
Kobe cost this game for the Lakers like many games he did in his career. IMO the game was changed when Kobe failed to inbound (He threw it on Durant's hand) :facepalm: 1:51 left in the game while it was a 75-68 game. He took a questionable three after that. And why didn't he foul in that last possession while the clock still had a few seconds left? Was he mad at Artest because Artest made the right play to blake?

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-17-2012, 02:26 AM
Kobe's about to be 34. He's done being the main man on a championship team. Sixteen years in the league, but he's so stubborn, he still thinks he's 25

StickyGreenFan
05-17-2012, 02:27 AM
Kobe cost this game for the Lakers like many games he did in his career. IMO the game was changed when Kobe failed to inbound (He threw it on Durant's hand) :facepalm: 1:51 left in the game while it was a 75-68 game. He took a questionable three after that. And why didn't he foul in that last possession while the clock still had a few seconds left? Was he mad at Artest because Artest made the right play to blake?

that got me mad too, did he want artest to force into him so he can pullup and shoot over 2 people? i dont get it. the play was fine and neither artest nor blake made a wrong decision

Trueblue2
05-17-2012, 02:29 AM
Sessions missed an identical shot in the Denver series and it resulted in a loss... Also lakers forum.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-17-2012, 03:39 AM
Kobe should of taken the last shot.

He could of fixed his ****ed ups with a gamewinner.

John Walls Era
05-17-2012, 03:44 AM
Bynum should have decided who got to shoot. **** Mike Brown, **** players who are open.

Jahari Kavi
05-17-2012, 05:24 AM
While a lot of people are overreacting, I have been saying this for a long time that Kobe is not a great closer, he shoots a horrible percentage in 4th quarters, gets blinded so that he doesn't see team mates, and plays VERY selfishly. I wouldn't take Kobe in the 4th over Lebron any day.

this....problem is your avg sports fan and ESPN analyst gets caught up in facial expressions, hype, and rings....Rings do not equate to great clutch play....

LGhost
05-17-2012, 05:48 AM
Sessions missed an identical shot in the Denver series and it resulted in a loss... Also lakers forum.

Wow three pages and this is the closest the OP gets to an answer... It is really true that no one reads in this forum.

OP, I think Sessions should close out games as well but I don't know why, lol...

One of the stats sites list players stats in the last 5 minutes of the game, NBA.com might even have it now. I wonder how they compare

Billy Bounce
05-17-2012, 07:00 AM
OP, I think Sessions should close out games as well but I don't know why, lol...

One of the stats sites list players stats in the last 5 minutes of the game, NBA.com might even have it now. I wonder how they compare

You have a point here.

When it comes to playoffs clutch threes Sessions is 2/3, Kobe 3/8 , Blake 1/3, so the choice is obvious.

Needless to say that Kobe is to blame for wasting +7 advantage with stupid shots & TOs, so he'd better keep silent about not getting that final shot.

3ballbomber
05-17-2012, 07:36 AM
Kobe took 3 horrible shots in those final moments (1 being an air ball?). I thought Mike Brown drew up a hell of a play to not only deceive people to get the man who you would think is the last to take that final shot and also get him wide open.

3ballbomber
05-17-2012, 07:42 AM
this. kobe and blake choked mad ****ing hard, like needing cpr choking...
you ned to re-evaluate your personal meaning of "Chocking". Both were willing to win and take the shots without any hesitation.

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 11:16 AM
you ned to re-evaluate your personal meaning of "Chocking". Both were willing to win and take the shots without any hesitation.

it is weird because you would think he would be an expert on choking... you know because he is a heat fan..

Hawkeye15
05-17-2012, 11:27 AM
Kobe hasn't hit a game winner in the playoffs for 4 years. If I were Mike Brown, I would be designing a play for Gasol or Bynum to catch deep.

Just sayin

hail2skins4life
05-17-2012, 12:07 PM
wow this was a chance to go back into LA with control over the series. lakers had it. i cant believe the black mamba blew it.

Evolution23
05-17-2012, 12:42 PM
It was the right play for Blake. He was wide open and he hit one against Denver to win it too. How quickly people forget...

albertc86
05-17-2012, 01:01 PM
I love when fans just repeat what NBA analysts say and try to pass it off as their own idea(s).

RiLoc
05-17-2012, 01:01 PM
But why does blake close the games? shouldn't sessions close them?
Steve Blake

2012 Playoffs:
FG: 20/50 40%
3PT: 15/36 41.6%

2012 Playoffs 4th Quarters:
FG: 8/16 50%
3PT: 7/13 53.8%

Ramon Sessions

2012 Playoffs:
FG: 33/90 36.7%
3PT: 4/21 19.0%

2012 Playoffs 4th Quarters:
FG: 8/25 32.0%
3PT: 2/7 28.6%

I'm fairly certain that's why, because statistically, there isn't much difference outside of that. Sessions is still the better defensive choice, so Brown must feel he needs Blake out there to stretch the court on offense.


A wide open shot to a very good shooter. I'd take that any day.Indeed. Playoffs defense, shooter in the corner, already a few seconds into the 5 second count and the defender is peaking over to the other side of the floor. World Peace made the right decision, I'd take that any day over a contested mid range shot by Kobe which is the most likely outcome assuming World Peace is even able to complete the pass through the congestion.

raiderposting
05-17-2012, 01:45 PM
Steve Blake

2012 Playoffs:
FG: 20/50 40%
3PT: 15/36 41.6%

2012 Playoffs 4th Quarters:
FG: 8/16 50%
3PT: 7/13 53.8%

Ramon Sessions

2012 Playoffs:
FG: 33/90 36.7%
3PT: 4/21 19.0%

2012 Playoffs 4th Quarters:
FG: 8/25 32.0%
3PT: 2/7 28.6%

I'm fairly certain that's why, because statistically, there isn't much difference outside of that. Sessions is still the better defensive choice, so Brown must feel he needs Blake out there to stretch the court on offense.

Indeed. Playoffs defense, shooter in the corner, already a few seconds into the 5 second count and the defender is peaking over to the other side of the floor. World Peace made the right decision, I'd take that any day over a contested mid range shot by Kobe which is the most likely outcome assuming World Peace is even able to complete the pass through the congestion.

only like 2 people answered the question i actually asked, I guess this shows that the lakers won't bring back sessions next year. they desperation need a PG. this thread was never about the final shot of the lakers game a stupid ****** mod changed the name of it and it had nothing to do with my post.

heyman321
05-17-2012, 02:47 PM
only like 2 people answered the question i actually asked, I guess this shows that the lakers won't bring back sessions next year. they desperation need a PG. this thread was never about the final shot of the lakers game a stupid ****** mod changed the name of it and it had nothing to do with my post.

Yep, the mods here are terrible. The only good mods are Hawkeye, the Lakers mod, and the Suns mod, maybe a few others.

KnicksorBust
05-17-2012, 02:49 PM
Kobe hasn't hit a game winner in the playoffs for 4 years. If I were Mike Brown, I would be designing a play for Gasol or Bynum to catch deep.

Just sayin

Inadvertantly they did just that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meYpBlTO9kg&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=1&safe=active

Pause at 2:38. Bynum has PERFECT inside position to catch and just drop it in the hoop. Personally, passing to Blake wasn't the problem. Blake shooting was the problem. If he dumps it instantly into Bynum in the post, you got a 60% shot to win the game.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-17-2012, 02:58 PM
Again I say, it should have never come down to that last shot. Kobe ****ed it up, he made some really dumbass elementary basketball mistakes, and for that, the basketball gods weren't going to let the Lakers led by Mr. Choker Bryant win that game. No matter if Blake or Bryant or Artest shot that last attempt, basketball gods weren't going to let it happen.

You don't **** up like that up 7 with 2 minutes left.

gwrighter
05-17-2012, 04:12 PM
It was a good shot, great decision by the in-bounder. Kobe...No you were not open & what kind of garbage play was that to end the game? Having Kobe go away from the ball...stupid on Brown's part. It's apparent Kobe is not the player he used to be.

Bruno
05-17-2012, 05:14 PM
it seems absurd that the team wasn't able to get bynum the ball in the finals two minutes. bynum was even open on the final play, had artest waited another second. LAL lost the game because of kobes turnovers, and the offenses inability to get the ball into bynum. that lead to fast break points for the thunder. what a collapse.

derek fisher hits the shot that steve blake missed.

Bruno
05-17-2012, 05:15 PM
i'm annoyed that kobe didn't take more responsibility in the post game conference.

Billy Bounce
05-18-2012, 10:41 AM
It's not news that Blake hardly looks at big guys when he has a ball.

Look at Lakers assists distribution:

https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=gv:dot&chl=digraph%20G%20{[label=%22\r%C2%A9%20STATS.IN%20THE%20GAME\r%22,lab eljust=l]Blake-%3EBryant%20[label=%22%2013%22,%20penwidth=2.34];Gasol-%3EBynum%20[label=%22%2012%22,%20penwidth=2.28];Gasol-%3EBryant%20[label=%22%2010%22,%20penwidth=2.14];Sessions-%3EBryant%20[label=%22%2010%22,%20penwidth=2.14];Bryant-%3EGasol%20[label=%22%2010%22,%20penwidth=2.14];Sessions-%3EGasol%20[label=%22%209%22,%20penwidth=2.05];Bryant-%3EBlake%20[label=%22%208%22,%20penwidth=1.96];Bryant-%3EBynum%20[label=%22%207%22,%20penwidth=1.86];Bryant-%3ESessions%20[label=%22%206%22,%20penwidth=1.74];Barnes-%3EBryant%20[label=%22%206%22,%20penwidth=1.74];Barnes-%3EBynum%20[label=%22%205%22,%20penwidth=1.59];Bryant-%3EBarnes%20[label=%22%204%22];Gasol-%3ESessions%20[label=%22%203%22];Bryant-%3EEbanks%20[label=%22%203%22];Gasol-%3EEbanks%20[label=%22%203%22];Sessions-%3EBynum%20[label=%22%203%22];Sessions-%3EBarnes%20[label=%22%203%22];Blake-%3EGasol%20[label=%22%203%22];Bynum-%3EBlake%20[label=%22%203%22];World_Peace-%3EBynum%20[label=%22%203%22];Blake-%3EEbanks%20[label=%22%202%22];Sessions-%3EHill%20[label=%22%202%22];Bynum-%3EGasol%20[label=%22%202%22];Ebanks-%3EGasol%20[label=%22%202%22];Sessions-%3EEbanks%20[label=%22%202%22];Ebanks-%3EBryant%20[label=%22%202%22];Bynum-%3EEbanks%20[label=%22%202%22];Gasol-%3EBarnes%20[label=%22%202%22];Barnes-%3EGasol%20[label=%22%202%22];Sessions-%3EBlake%20[label=%22%202%22];}

Blake only gives ball to Kobe to score, Sessions is a way better passing to big men ( 9 assists to Gasol ) . Gasol is smart enough to pass a ball to Bynum , if needed.

Well, it's yet another argument to have Sessions on the floor instead of Blake.

All in all , to shoot a three when a simple two pointer is enough to win is as stupid as to have guards to take contested shots instead of using LAL front court dominance.

My guess that after Durant scored a clutch three to make it 71-68, Kobe felt like he has to hit some big shot too.

AIRMAR72
05-18-2012, 10:52 AM
Kobe should of taken the last shot.

He could of fixed his ****ed ups with a gamewinner.

kobe is FINISH WHY cant you get that... the man stinks up court the lakers are better without him kobe stagnate the offense cant guard anyone his WILL to win is FAKE weak at best taking 30 shots to score 10points kobe sucks

REKAL
05-18-2012, 02:29 PM
Fisher would have made that shot!

KnicksorBust
05-18-2012, 02:38 PM
Let's blame Mike Brown too. Every player should have had a game-plan for that scenario if they caught the inbound. Steve Blake's plan should have been "if Kobe is covered and you catch in the corner, feed Bynum in the post" and Bynum's plan should have been "after you screen for Kobe, seal out and get inside position ballside low block."

Bynum did his part...

KnicksorBust
05-18-2012, 02:39 PM
For the record, I don't think this final shot should be compared to the Heat shot. The Heat needed the 3 and Chalmers is a better perimeter shooter than James/Wade and was much more likely to get a clean look.

Lakers only needed a 2 to win and Blake should not be shooting a 3.

DaLakerz Rulz
05-18-2012, 04:56 PM
i'm annoyed that kobe didn't take more responsibility in the post game conference.

I am sure he is pissed at himself. He said during the Denver series that he just doesn't like talking to the media about any of that stuff.

xbrackattackx
05-18-2012, 05:44 PM
this. kobe and blake choked mad ****ing hard, like needing cpr choking...

Kobe and Blake must be hanging out with Wade and Bron Bron.