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airronijordan
05-16-2012, 10:33 PM
In March, the Rockets remained steadfast in their willingness to “rent” Howard and stayed involved in talks with the Magic. At the Toyota Center on trade deadline day after the dust cleared, I was told that Rockets GM Daryl Morey was the last one standing in the Howard chase. Weeks later I was informed that when Rockets front office personnel called it a night in the wee hours of the morning of the trade deadline, they believed they were going to land Howard later that day. The 6-foot-11 center reversed course and agreed to not exercise his opt-out clause to become a free agent, instead staying with the Magic for another year.

It wasn’t until this week that we could say it definitively — multiple sources tell ClutchFans that had Dwight not opted in, he was coming to Houston in a trade.

(If I could add here some speculation — while no one has told me this, it’s been my theory since the deadline that the Rockets nearing in on a trade for Howard may have played a role in Dwight’s decision to not opt-out and instead stay an extra year in Orlando. By being traded to a “rental” team like the Rockets at the deadline, any chance of getting the max years and max raises from a team on Howard’s preferred list would have been killed. He either would have to get that from Houston, or take less from someone else — sign-and-trades no longer give the best of both worlds, as they did under the old CBA. By staying another year in Orlando, Howard bought more time to work a trade to a team he chooses. End theory.)

The last thing Houston fans want to hear is another “we were close” story. In their quest for a superstar the last few seasons, the Rockets have mastered the art of the second place finish, executing near-deals and almost-signs with laser-like precision. In 2010 they had a sign-and-trade agreement in place with Toronto for Chris Bosh but forgot to ask Bosh. In 2011 they missed out on Carmelo Anthony, who reportedly had some interest in the Rockets before Yao Ming went down. Later that same year, the Rockets came close to a deal with Utah for Deron Williams.

While it is certainly a positive sign that the Rockets had an offer at the trade deadline that Orlando liked, it doesn’t make it a slam dunk in the summer.

For starters, will Orlando trade Howard? The belief is that if he won’t sign an extension, they will do just that.

Secondly, is he healthy? Howard underwent back surgery to repair a herniated disk on April 20th and may or may not be ready to go at the start of the 2012-13 season.

And lastly, the asking price in March was based on what was left on Howard’s contract — just a month or two, giving his new team an outside shot of re-signing him. Now, the superstar center is under contract for a full year and several other teams could get involved. The draft order will be established later this month and teams that end up in the top 5 that are interested in Howard could have a big advantage — in particular the New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets, who have about a 25% chance of landing a top 3 pick.

However, if the Rockets can successfully pull off the rental, they might finally be able to step off the mediocrity treadmill. Howard is the one player out there that could fill all the Rockets’ needs (superstar, big man, shotblocker, rebounder) and could make Houston an attractive location once again. In January we wrote that Deron Williams was the Rockets top target as they love Deron’s game and believed he could be the lure for Howard or other big names. With Howard staying another year, those roles could flip, with Howard playing the bait. Can you acquire Howard before Deron decides to stay with the Nets or join hometown Dallas? You may not see it now, but behind the scenes a Texas-sized battle is brewing between the Rockets and Mavericks for the same players: The Mavs are trying to build a dynasty while the Rockets are trying to avoid obscurity.

You can read the rest of the article here
http://rockets.clutchfans.net/2668/dwight-howard-houston-rockets/

Gram
05-16-2012, 10:34 PM
Cool.

StinkEye
05-16-2012, 11:04 PM
Dwight rumours fulfill me like Lexington Steel and Mandingo doing a good day's work.

Hawkeye15
05-16-2012, 11:05 PM
Morey has been throwing bait out there a while for the big one. I am sure they have already asked the Magic about him. It's all in Orlando's hands at this point, nothing more.

LTBaByyy
05-16-2012, 11:06 PM
What do they have to offer besides 2 first round picks this year?

Kyle Lowry and scrubs lol

Raps08-09 Champ
05-16-2012, 11:07 PM
I offer the 8th round pick and Jonas Valancuinas.

Htownballa1622
05-16-2012, 11:12 PM
What do they have to offer besides 2 first round picks this year?

Kyle Lowry and scrubs lol

young players with somewhat of potential rather than over the hill guys accumulated by some teams. :rolleyes:

bigsams50
05-16-2012, 11:14 PM
Dwight rumours fulfill me like Lexington Steel and Mandingo doing a good day's work.

:laugh:

Hawkeye15
05-16-2012, 11:15 PM
What do they have to offer besides 2 first round picks this year?

Kyle Lowry and scrubs lol

They have a fat expiring that can get you 18 if he is involved and healthy. They have Parsons, Lowry, and can even throw Scola in to take on a bigger financial burden (an extra year on a bad Magic deal for instance). They also have two first rounders, as you mentioned.

I don't see why Morey would risk a complete gut of the team if Dwight ends up walking, but if he wants his blockbuster he can go all in if needed.

Gram
05-16-2012, 11:19 PM
Dwight rumours fulfill me like Lexington Steel and Mandingo doing a good day's work.

I love your name. lol. Wanna trade?

MagicBucsSox
05-16-2012, 11:23 PM
Depending how high their 2 #1s are I'd listen. They got a few subpar pieces but I'd imagine their dream of pairing him with Lowry.

Htownballa1622
05-16-2012, 11:23 PM
They have a fat expiring that can get you 18 if he is involved and healthy. They have Parsons, Lowry, and can even throw Scola in to take on a bigger financial burden (an extra year on a bad Magic deal for instance). They also have two first rounders, as you mentioned.

I don't see why Morey would risk a complete gut of the team if Dwight ends up walking, but if he wants his blockbuster he can go all in if needed.

i would gut the team for a chance at howard:shrug:

but thats cuz I'm tired of :drunk: over the rockets 9th place seasons.

StinkEye
05-16-2012, 11:24 PM
I offer the 8th round pick and Jonas Valancuinas.
eeeeeew Valancunas is gonna' be a huge bust. Raps fans are cray.

I love your name. lol. Wanna trade?

I'm new here, how do we trade?

Gram
05-16-2012, 11:30 PM
I offer the 8th round pick and Jonas Valancuinas.

No one wants an 8th round pick. There isn't even an eighth round. ;)

Gram
05-16-2012, 11:31 PM
I'm new here, how do we trade?

Swapping passwords - but you want an account with my history. :pity: I'm not popular around here. :facepalm:

StinkEye
05-16-2012, 11:41 PM
Swapping passwords - but you want an account with my history. :pity: I'm not popular around here. :facepalm:

Forget it. This name has sentimental value to me... don't ask.

Sadds The Gr8
05-16-2012, 11:42 PM
Dwight rumours fulfill me like Lexington Steel and Mandingo doing a good day's work.
:laugh2:

Gram
05-16-2012, 11:42 PM
Dwight rumours fulfill me like Lexington Steel and Mandingo doing a good day's work.

:laugh:

Gram
05-16-2012, 11:43 PM
Forget it. This name has sentimental value to me... don't ask.

Lol mine does too man... Don't ask either. ;)

eibbor
05-16-2012, 11:52 PM
It's obvious he is going to leave Orlando, but a lot of teams... Hell most teams will make an offer so I'm not sure why this Rocket thing is a story. If I'm Orlando I'd rather have SVG than Howard honestly. He's a really good coach and deserves better than the circus he has had to deal with.

If I was Orlando I'd trade him to the worst team available not counting the Nets

Knicks Nuggets deal proves that the obvious offer isn't always the best...

spreadeagle
05-16-2012, 11:55 PM
Kyle Lowry n Scola would be decent, Orlando will need a PG with Nelson opting out.Lowry is underated, decent trade

MagicBucsSox
05-16-2012, 11:59 PM
Kyle Lowry n Scola would be decent, Orlando will need a PG with Nelson opting out.Lowry is underated, decent trade

Lmao you are aware we drug test here at psd

If GSW still wants to still rent him, with their top 10 pick and players to offer, they have to best package

aman_13
05-17-2012, 12:01 AM
Congratz to the Rockets.

spreadeagle
05-17-2012, 12:02 AM
Lmao you are aware we drug test here at psd

I would most def fail that test, BUT what do Magic think they will get for a one year rental. Big markets will just wait to sign him and not give up good assets, and ok teams wont trade to much cause they know hes leaving after one year. Lowry is a top 5 pg and Scola is above average. Good deal

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 12:07 AM
I would most def fail that test, BUT what do Magic think they will get for a one year rental. Big markets will just wait to sign him and not give up good assets, and ok teams wont trade to much cause they know hes leaving after one year. Lowry is a top 5 pg and Scola is above average. Good deal


You sir need help

spreadeagle
05-17-2012, 12:12 AM
You sir need help

Nah the Magic gunna need help when he leaves and they are stuck with JRich and Turkyglu as there go to guys for god knows how long

Donuts365
05-17-2012, 12:28 AM
nets thats it the magic wont low ball howard and send him to rockets if he declin the extension they will trade him to nets and get turk contrack out too giving them alot of cap space

eibbor
05-17-2012, 12:29 AM
Swapping passwords - but you want an account with my history. :pity: I'm not popular around here. :facepalm:

I bet I'm more unpopular lol

Donuts365
05-17-2012, 12:29 AM
he said lowry a top 5 pg iquit

Punk
05-17-2012, 12:32 AM
The Rockets are stupid. Stop going after stars who don't want to be there. Go after Eric Gordon and rebuild properly.

Raps08-09 Champ
05-17-2012, 12:38 AM
eeeeeew Valancunas is gonna' be a huge bust. Raps fans are cray.


That's what was said about Rubio.

ManRam
05-17-2012, 12:40 AM
The more competition, the better.

So thank you, Houston.

SouthSideRookie
05-17-2012, 12:44 AM
The Rockets are stupid. Stop going after stars who don't want to be there. Go after Eric Gordon and rebuild properly.

Actually no, Morey wasn't dumb enough to give up what the Suns were asking for Amare when he was on the block and much less sign him to the contract the Knicks did for. Morey's sights aren't on quasi stars, he's swinging for the fences.

ManRam
05-17-2012, 12:46 AM
You sir need help

While he's overrating Lowry (he's top 10, not top 5), I think you're underrating him. I'd rather have Lowry than the #7 pick :shrug: It's close, but if we're looking at Perry Jones/Lillard/Henson/Marshall/Zeller/Sully/Rivers/Jones etc....


I wouldn't be too upset with Lowry + Scola + Parsons + a future pick for Dwight. Not sure that's something they're looking to do. I LOVE Bogut, but he's a huge risk right now. I have no interest in trading Howard for a package focused around Steph Curry. They don't have a whole lot after those two guys.

LTBaByyy
05-17-2012, 12:47 AM
Warriors have best package

Bogut + Steph Curry for Howard

Then draft Marshal from UNC with that lottery pick

Raps08-09 Champ
05-17-2012, 12:48 AM
Kendall Marshall sucks.

ManRam
05-17-2012, 12:50 AM
Warriors have best package

Bogut + Steph Curry for Howard

Then draft Marshal from UNC with that lottery pick

I'm no Curry fan, but strictly based on talent, that's a good deal for sure. Potential top 3-5 Center and a potential top 7 PG. Not bad.

Too bad they're both glass men. I don't think the risk is worth it.

Cal827
05-17-2012, 12:50 AM
No one wants an 8th round pick. There isn't even an eighth round. ;)

Shhhh Gram, it's Otis Smith... the Javale Mcgee of NBA GMs :D

Robbw241
05-17-2012, 12:51 AM
Nets have their pick next year though protected

LTBaByyy
05-17-2012, 12:58 AM
I wish Minnesota was active and made a big 3 but Howard would never be interested

Wes Johnson
Derrick Williams
Nikola Pekovic
Mike Beasley
Luke Ridnour
1st round pick

For

Howard :)



Rubio
Webster
Vet Minimum FA
Love
Howard

eibbor
05-17-2012, 01:01 AM
You sir need help

He's just drunk again... Don't waste ur time... He's just going to say some meaningless BS and then use this ----> :dance2:.

Careful though, he's a big bad mod here... and u know what that means... Yeah, nothing lol

ManRam
05-17-2012, 01:02 AM
I wish Minnesota was active and made a big 3 but Howard would never be interested

Wes Johnson
Derrick Williams
Nikola Pekovic
Mike Beasley
Luke Ridnour
1st round pick

For

Howard :)



Rubio
Webster
Vet Minimum FA
Love
Howard

Minnesota would be incredibly stupid to sacrifice their future for one year of Dwight. Even though they aren't giving up Love or Rubio...it's still not worth it.

It would be fun, but stupid.

torocan
05-17-2012, 01:02 AM
I'm no Curry fan, but strictly based on talent, that's a good deal for sure. Potential top 3-5 Center and a potential top 7 PG. Not bad.

Too bad they're both glass men. I don't think the risk is worth it.

Says the team with the center with a herniated disk....

ManRam
05-17-2012, 01:05 AM
Says the team with the center with a herniated disk....

:rimshot:

Howard has been the most durable player in the NBA. Yeah, he's hurt, but nothing he has could be considered "chronic" nor is he "injury-prone". He's played in 98%+ of his NBA games in his career. They other two aren't even close. Bogut's been hurt each of his last 4 seasons, and Curry's ankles are well-known to be glass.

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 01:05 AM
While he's overrating Lowry (he's top 10, not top 5), I think you're underrating him. I'd rather have Lowry than the #7 pick :shrug: It's close, but if we're looking at Perry Jones/Lillard/Henson/Marshall/Zeller/Sully/Rivers/Jones etc....


I wouldn't be too upset with Lowry + Scola + Parsons + a future pick for Dwight. Not sure that's something they're looking to do. I LOVE Bogut, but he's a huge risk right now. I have no interest in trading Howard for a package focused around Steph Curry. They don't have a whole lot after those two guys.

I'm not underrating him but don't tell me Lowry & a 35 yr old of is good for Dwight. Really? End up center-less? It's just terrible. And he's not a top 10 pg

Lawson
Conley
Rondo
Paul
Dw
Nash
Parker
West
Irving
Rose
Holiday
Even Nelson who I hate

Better pgs

eibbor
05-17-2012, 01:07 AM
:rimshot:

Howard has been the most durable player in the NBA. Yeah, he's hurt, but nothing he has could be considered "chronic" nor is he "injury-prone". He's played in 98%+ of his NBA games in his career. They other two aren't even close. Bogut's been hurt each of his last 4 seasons, and Curry's ankles are well-known to be glass.

Advanced stats rock... Real sports fans don't look up[ info we don't actually understand... They watch the games.

ManRam
05-17-2012, 01:09 AM
I'm not underrating him but don't tell me Lowry & a 35 yr old of is good for Dwight. Really? End up center-less? It's just terrible. And he's not a top 10 pg

Lawson
Conley
Rondo
Paul
Dw
Nash
Parker
West
Irving
Rose
Holiday
Even Nelson who I hate

Better pgs

Well, I'll share my opinion too.

Obviously Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Parker, Irving, Rondo and Deron are better.

Nash is too, but not for much longer, and if you look in terms of trade-value, he's got little (not that it matters because he's a FA).

Lawson is splitting hairs.

He was way better than Holiday, Conley, Nelson, and Conley this season. Like, very significantly better.

ManRam
05-17-2012, 01:11 AM
Advanced stats rock... Real sports fans don't look up[ info we don't actually understand... They watch the games.

Could you please stop trolling me. I have no problems with talking with you, I find it fun. I'm a pretty damn lenient mod.

But everything you're doing is instigating me. The act is old.


Like, what do advanced stats have to do with anything here? Nothing. I didn't reference them...so why are you trolling me with that? This post has literally nothing to do with anything being discussed...so please stop with them.

spreadeagle
05-17-2012, 01:15 AM
He's just drunk again... Don't waste ur time... He's just going to say some meaningless BS and then use this ----> :dance2:.

Careful though, he's a big bad mod here... and u know what that means... Yeah, nothing lol

dude what are you talking about Ive never used that emoticon and im not a mod :confused: but I do get drunk a lot lol

popo85
05-17-2012, 01:16 AM
It would take an all-star and a young prospect and Rockets can't match that

ManRam
05-17-2012, 01:16 AM
dude what are you talking about Ive never used that emoticon and im not a mod :confused:

He was trying to troll/bait me...and failed miserably. Just ignore him.

:laugh:



Either way, even if I like what they can offer or not...the more teams in contention, the better. LA getting swept, or even just losing this series could help too. Not sure I want Bynum, but I want more options. Make teams fight the other teams for him.


It's gonna be a crazy off-season for the Magic

ThunderousDemon
05-17-2012, 01:23 AM
Dwight rumours fulfill me like Lexington Steel and Mandingo doing a good day's work.

:confused:

eibbor
05-17-2012, 01:24 AM
Could you please stop trolling me. I have no problems with talking with you, I find it fun. I'm a pretty damn lenient mod.

But everything you're doing is instigating me. The act is old.


Like, what do advanced stats have to do with anything here? Nothing. I didn't reference them...so why are you trolling me with that? This post has literally nothing to do with anything being discussed...so please stop with them.

THEM... don't know what ya mean...

I just post when I see somethin Im interested. Not sure I'm getting old... I cant help it if I go to a thread and respond to you... You post in virtually all threads available... your post coun't is high, no need to pad.

I might come across as a dick and that is cool... but iif I was doing something wrong I'dda been banned or deleted by now

You are usually neutral.. But when you get all out there you are going t0 get called out... Sorry u if don't understand, but I don't think I've done anything or said anything that wasn't true in my opinion.

popo85
05-17-2012, 01:27 AM
:confused:

Porn reference brah :laugh2:

eibbor
05-17-2012, 01:33 AM
Could you please stop trolling me. I have no problems with talking with you, I find it fun. I'm a pretty damn lenient mod.

But everything you're doing is instigating me. The act is old.


Like, what do advanced stats have to do with anything here? Nothing. I didn't reference them...so why are you trolling me with that? This post has literally nothing to do with anything being discussed...so please stop with them.


Thats cool. Yes I'm a smartss, but most I talk to here don't see me the way you apprently... I'm cool to agree to disagree... People can see me as a troll if they wish, but my opinion is my opinion. If I wanted to leave my thoughts out of things I woudn't bother posting in an online forum.

eibbor
05-17-2012, 01:35 AM
Porn reference brah :laugh2:

the best thing about porn is that it exists lol

naps
05-17-2012, 01:40 AM
And he's not a top 10 pg

Lawson
Conley
Rondo
Paul
Dw
Nash
Parker
West
Irving
Rose
Holiday
Even Nelson who I hate

Better pgs

WoW!! I would say something but I just didn't wanna risk my clean record :facepalm:

Punk
05-17-2012, 01:45 AM
I think we all know he won't re-sign in Houston, so why bother? Package that set of players for a better trade.

Josh Smith, Amare, Lin, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon, Roy Hibbert can better options than a risky trade that can turn you into the Bobcats if it goes wrong.

naps
05-17-2012, 01:54 AM
I think we all know he won't re-sign in Houston, so why bother? Package that set of players for a better trade.

Josh Smith, Amare, Lin, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon, Roy Hibbert can better options than a risky trade that can turn you into the Bobcats if it goes wrong.

Except that Bold one.

Sadds The Gr8
05-17-2012, 02:01 AM
:confused:

:facepalm:

StinkEye
05-17-2012, 09:24 AM
That's what was said about Rubio.
Awesome, your boy Valanpoohnas is not Ricky Rubio. He really has nothing common with him.

Shhhh Gram, it's Otis Smith... the Javale Mcgee of NBA GMs :D
Why are you giving Otis such high praise? He's like the Josh Boone of GM's... and I'm only talking about FT shooting right here.

the best thing about porn is that it exists lol
and that anyone can make one :drool:

khaleesi
05-17-2012, 09:33 AM
I have posters tell me Morey is a great GM yet all he has is trash to offer for Dwight. Funny.

Gram
05-17-2012, 09:51 AM
I bet I'm more unpopular lol

Have you ever been permabanned? - I have. ;)

Gram
05-17-2012, 09:53 AM
Shhhh Gram, it's Otis Smith... the Javale Mcgee of NBA GMs :D

I wasn't making a comment about Otis - I was just trolling Raps08-09. ;)

Gram
05-17-2012, 09:55 AM
Could you please stop trolling me. I have no problems with talking with you, I find it fun. I'm a pretty damn lenient mod.

But everything you're doing is instigating me. The act is old.


Like, what do advanced stats have to do with anything here? Nothing. I didn't reference them...so why are you trolling me with that? This post has literally nothing to do with anything being discussed...so please stop with them.

You mad Man?

Mr_Amaziing
05-17-2012, 10:17 AM
I would love to see Howard in Washington

Wall and Howard duo would be deadly

annihibolical
05-17-2012, 10:30 AM
Dwight rumours fulfill me like Lexington Steel and Mandingo doing a good day's work.

"huh huh huh ill bet"

nolafan33
05-17-2012, 12:38 PM
Did yall not read how Dwight was basically a Rocket at the td?

D12 fan
05-17-2012, 12:38 PM
If Houston could get Dwight before FA,they would become the favorites for Dwill.Maybe Olajawon could help keep Dwight in Houston longterm,he is Dwight's mentor and maybe he can help make Dwight a better post player.People who say Houston doesn't have trade pieces are crazy,they have 2 1rd picks in this draft,which is great for a team to rebuild with,and they have Lowry,Martin,Parsons,Scola,Dragic,Budinger they can throw any of those players with the draft picks to make it a attractive offer.

Iron24th
05-17-2012, 12:48 PM
Don't see which rockets players orlando could want to trade dwight for.

mightybosstone
05-17-2012, 12:51 PM
This trade would make a lot of sense for Orlando:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dxm9jk

They'd essentially get a top 10 PG, a SF with a ton of potential and two huge expiring contracts who can still contribute next season. The Rockets could also throw in one or both of their first round picks to sweeten the deal if necessary.

As a Rockets fan, I'd be a little torn on this deal, but the Rockets would still have a pretty good team if they could re-sign Dragic and Lee and bring over Sergio Llull and Donatas Motiejunas from overseas.

PG Goran Dragic / Sergio Llull
SG Courtney Lee / Sergio Llull
SF Hedo Turkoglu / Chase Budinger
PF Luis Scola / Patrick Patterson / Donatas Motiejunas
C Dwight Howard / Re-sign Camby?

Another option would be to amnesty Scola and use the cap space to attract Deron Williams. I'm not exactly sure if they would have the cap to re-sign Lee or what they would do, but that depth chart might look something like this:

PG Deron Williams / Sergio Llull
SG MLE guy or Budinger? / Sergio Llull
SF Hedo Turkoglu / Chase Budinger
PF Patrick Patterson / Donatas Motiejuans
C Dwight Howard / Camby?

DeyAce
05-17-2012, 01:01 PM
It will be that mystery team that lands him

SouthSideRookie
05-17-2012, 01:21 PM
I have posters tell me Morey is a great GM yet all he has is trash to offer for Dwight. Funny.

All you do is bash Daryl Morey. You sure do blow alot of hot smoke for being a fan of such a mediocre team. I should get you a courtside seat next to Spike so that you can enjoy another decade of an all time great making your team their B****. First Jordan, Dream, Tim and now Lebron.


It will be that mystery team that lands him

IMO it will be a western conference team, we've all seen in the past how usually teams are very hesitant in dealing their franchise player within the same conference.

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 01:24 PM
Lmao you are aware we drug test here at psd

If GSW still wants to still rent him, with their top 10 pick and players to offer, they have to best package

your package would definitely be better than that **** package he proposed but it is pretty simple....

Bynum for Howard is the best deal for Orlando...

D12 fan
05-17-2012, 01:41 PM
your package would definitely be better than that **** package he proposed but it is pretty simple....

Bynum for Howard is the best deal for Orlando...

Why would LA trade for Dwight when he has already said he wouldn't resign with them,he doesn't want to play with Kobe chucking 25+ shots a game,if LA trades Bynum it should be for a pg like Wall,Curry,Rondo.

GS is the team I think we should keep a eye on for Dwight.

Bogut,Curry for Dwight
Bogut,Thompson for Dwight
Bogut,Lee,1rd for Dwight,Turk

5ass
05-17-2012, 02:25 PM
if the rockets give up lowry, parsons and their 2 1sts and take back hedo that would be a nice trade. Orl would have 3 picks in this years deep draft. They can package their 2 picks and move up in the draft should they decide to do so. If the magic want to trade dwight i want them to rebuild. They probably will not make the play offs the 1st couple of seasons, but we would be headed in the right direction.

Stinkyoutsider
05-17-2012, 02:27 PM
I think the Rockets should do it. They have nothing to lose.

If the Rockets don't keep Howard, they can enter the lottery and have a chance at drafting a player who can be a franchise player. If Howard stays, they've got the superstar they needed and a chance to lure other players to Houston.

Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 02:36 PM
I hope they don't, but I see the Warriors making a very good offer to the Magic on draft day. I could see them offering Bogut, Thompson, Wright, along with the 7th pick. But like I said I really hope it doesn't happen.

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 02:52 PM
Why would LA trade for Dwight when he has already said he wouldn't resign with them,he doesn't want to play with Kobe chucking 25+ shots a game,if LA trades Bynum it should be for a pg like Wall,Curry,Rondo.

GS is the team I think we should keep a eye on for Dwight.

Bogut,Curry for Dwight
Bogut,Thompson for Dwight
Bogut,Lee,1rd for Dwight,Turk

Why? Because they are the Lakers and believe they can change his mind... why else was the deal done at the deadline until D12 opted in?

Do you really think D12 knows what he wants? How could he? He is only ever been exposed to one of the worse RUN franchises in the league...

Once he comes to LA it will all be clear and he would re-sign

Now that Orlando doesn't give a **** where he wants to go they are gonna do whats best for them... and obviously they thought that was Bynum over the Nets deal.

On a final note... if D12 gets traded and then goes to a third team he loses alot of money... and he knows that... he is trying to do everything he can to get to Brooklyn... if that doesn't happen and he goes to LA he will resign

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 02:57 PM
if the rockets give up lowry, parsons and their 2 1sts and take back hedo that would be a nice trade. Orl would have 3 picks in this years deep draft. They can package their 2 picks and move up in the draft should they decide to do so. If the magic want to trade dwight i want them to rebuild. They probably will not make the play offs the 1st couple of seasons, but we would be headed in the right direction.

that would be the smart thing to do ... unfortunately your GM is Otis Smith...

He should be a lemonade salesman because he has bought more Lemons than Tropicana

5ass
05-17-2012, 03:09 PM
that would be the smart thing to do ... unfortunately your GM is Otis Smith...

He should be a lemonade salesman because he has bought more Lemons than Tropicana

Otis is gone in a few days. I guarantee he wont be the GM next season.

Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 03:13 PM
Do you guys think Bogut, the 7th pick, the 30th pick, and the 35th pick would be enough to get Howard? That's the only trade I can think of that makes sense for the Warriors.

Curry-Jenkins
Thompson-Rush
Jefferson-Wright
Lee-Tyler
Howard-Biedrins

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 03:18 PM
Do you guys think Bogut, the 7th pick, the 30th pick, and the 35th pick would be enough to get Howard? That's the only trade I can think of that makes sense for the Warriors.

Curry-Jenkins
Thompson-Rush
Jefferson-Wright
Lee-Tyler
Howard-Biedrins

Your insane thinking your gonna keep curry and or lee in that deal. Plus your taking Turk/rich or duhon

D12 fan
05-17-2012, 03:20 PM
Why? Because they are the Lakers and believe they can change his mind... why else was the deal done at the deadline until D12 opted in?

Do you really think D12 knows what he wants? How could he? He is only ever been exposed to one of the worse RUN franchises in the league...

Once he comes to LA it will all be clear and he would re-sign

Now that Orlando doesn't give a **** where he wants to go they are gonna do whats best for them... and obviously they thought that was Bynum over the Nets deal.

On a final note... if D12 gets traded and then goes to a third team he loses alot of money... and he knows that... he is trying to do everything he can to get to Brooklyn... if that doesn't happen and he goes to LA he will resign
The only way I think Dwight resigns with LA is if they can trade Pau for some younger talent so they can rebuild around Dwight.

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 03:20 PM
Otis is gone in a few days. I guarantee he wont be the GM next season.

good news for the Magic... i heard he had a trade in the works to get rashard lewis back :D

Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 03:21 PM
Your insane thinking your gonna keep curry and or lee in that deal. Plus your taking Turk/rich or duhon

So a top 5 Center, two 1st round picks, and a high 2nd round pick isn't enough, but Lowry, Parsons, and two 1st round picks is? The Warriors aren't trading Curry or Lee to go along with Bogut and multiple picks.

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 03:22 PM
The only way I think Dwight resigns with LA is if they can trade Pau for some younger talent so they can rebuild around Dwight.

cmon dude... that is a foregone conclusion... no way pau is in a laker uniform next year

they wanted to get rid of him before this year... they just waited til after the deadline to see what else was available

D12 fan
05-17-2012, 03:28 PM
This will be a interesting offseason,their will be a lot of teams looking to gamble on trading for Dwight.These are teams who might look to trade for Dwight even without a extension.

Clippers:Maybe CP3 pushes management to trade for his buddy D12.
Lakers:Bynum for Dwight will always be a possibility.
Rockets:They are willing to take the gamble.
Warriors:They are willing to take the gamble.
Miami:Maybe a Bosh,filler for Dwight is possible if they don't win it all.
Brooklyn:This is where Dwight want's to play.
Knicks:They would love to swap Amare/Chandler for Dwight/filler.
Chicago:Maybe a Noah/Deng for Dwight swap.
Atlanta:Johnson/Horford for Dwight/Turk,D12 hometown team.

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 03:32 PM
So a top 5 Center, two 1st round picks, and a high 2nd round pick isn't enough, but Lowry, Parsons, and two 1st round picks is? The Warriors aren't trading Curry or Lee to go along with Bogut and multiple picks.

bogut is a top 5 center in talent only... dude is always hurt... in 7 years he has only been available for the entire year twice with the last time being his third year

who else are you gonna give them besides bogut... your $6 million short in matching D12's salary

As for the Houston deal... the guy is assuming it is both D12/Hedo which means coming to Orlando at a minimum would be the expiring of Kmart since Houston can absorb salaries

I don't know if Houston would do that but it is a way better deal for Orlando than the one you outlined

Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 03:37 PM
bogut is a top 5 center in talent only... dude is always hurt... in 7 years he has only been available for the entire year twice with the last time being his third year

who else are you gonna give them besides bogut... your $6 million short in matching D12's salary

As for the Houston deal... the guy is assuming it is both D12/Hedo which means coming to Orlando at a minimum would be the expiring of Kmart since Houston can absorb salaries

I don't know if Houston would do that but it is a way better deal for Orlando than the one you outlined

Well the Warriors could throw in Dorell Wright which would make the salaries close enough to make the trade. I just don't understand how in a deep draft that's not enough to get him. Bogut's injuries were freak occurrences so he's not "injury prone". Bogut, Wright, 7th pick, 30th pick, and the 35th pick for Howard should be enough in my opinion.

Davidgta1
05-17-2012, 03:38 PM
What would they give up?

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 03:39 PM
This will be a interesting offseason,their will be a lot of teams looking to gamble on trading for Dwight.These are teams who might look to trade for Dwight even without a extension.

Clippers:Maybe CP3 pushes management to trade for his buddy D12.
Lakers:Bynum for Dwight will always be a possibility.
Rockets:They are willing to take the gamble.
Warriors:They are willing to take the gamble.
Miami:Maybe a Bosh,filler for Dwight is possible if they don't win it all.
Brooklyn:This is where Dwight want's to play.
Knicks:They would love to swap Amare/Chandler for Dwight/filler.
Chicago:Maybe a Noah/Deng for Dwight swap.
Atlanta:Johnson/Horford for Dwight/Turk,D12 hometown team.

how would the clipps get it done? they ain't trading blake which means orlando would have to take that turd Jordan and probably someone like butler or mo just to match dwight... that wouldn't leave dick for a supporting cast

blake/D12/CP3/and either mo or butler would be over $51 million in cap...

basically leaving them with the mle to fill out the roster

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 03:42 PM
Well the Warriors could throw in Dorell Wright which would make the salaries close enough to make the trade. I just don't understand how in a deep draft that's not enough to get him. Bogut's injuries were freak occurrences so he's not "injury prone". Bogut, Wright, 7th pick, 30th pick, and the 35th pick for Howard should be enough in my opinion.

it might be a deep draft but it is really top heavy through about spot 12...

ok through 23-24

and pretty much a crap shoot after that as it always is

no matter what happens unless Orlando gets a legitimate allstar/starter like Bynum someone is gonna have to take turkeyglues contract back... it really is that simple

JasonJohnHorn
05-17-2012, 03:46 PM
Yeah... Houston and every other team in the league.... is this news?

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 03:48 PM
Well the Warriors could throw in Dorell Wright which would make the salaries close enough to make the trade. I just don't understand how in a deep draft that's not enough to get him. Bogut's injuries were freak occurrences so he's not "injury prone". Bogut, Wright, 7th pick, 30th pick, and the 35th pick for Howard should be enough in my opinion.

If you think your getting a superstar for that offer your insane. "your opinion" needs to realize your giving up klay or curry. And some for a guy who alone puts u in the playoffs and fills up a stadium

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 03:51 PM
how would the clipps get it done? they ain't trading blake which means orlando would have to take that turd Jordan and probably someone like butler or mo just to match dwight... that wouldn't leave dick for a supporting cast

blake/D12/CP3/and either mo or butler would be over $51 million in cap...

basically leaving them with the mle to fill out the roster

Orlando ain't trading him to lac unless Blake involved. End of story. They're not gonna just "settle" for anything else on that team.

Ps lac would be stupid to not trade him for dwight

Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 03:59 PM
If you think your getting a superstar for that offer your insane. "your opinion" needs to realize your giving up klay or curry. And some for a guy who alone puts u in the playoffs and fills up a stadium

The funny thing is, there isn't going to be an offer that will blow the Magic away. Give me a team that will offer something way better than what I proposed. Lakers aren't giving up Bynum, Houston doesn't have the assets, New Jersey doesn't have the assets (Bogut is better then Lopez). So who else is out there?

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 04:07 PM
The funny thing is, there isn't going to be an offer that will blow the Magic away. Give me a team that will offer something way better than what I proposed. Lakers aren't giving up Bynum, Houston doesn't have the assets, New Jersey doesn't have the assets (Bogut is better then Lopez). So who else is out there?

Dude if you don't think la will move Bynum if/when they're eliminated you are crazy. The deal to la was done that's why Howard stayed. Orlando is the reason he's not a laker. Your no gonna catch Orlando in a jam to steal a star. Not happening. And if your willing to let players on a non contending non playoff team stop you from getting a top 2 player? Your insane and that'd explain why the warriors are, well the warriors.

And I mean that with love because GSW is my 2k12 team. IMHO GSW would be smarter pursuing al Jeff or someone who'd be happy there. A go to scorer

Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 04:18 PM
Dude if you don't think la will move Bynum if/when they're eliminated you are crazy. The deal to la was done that's why Howard stayed. Orlando is the reason he's not a laker. Your no gonna catch Orlando in a jam to steal a star. Not happening. And if your willing to let players on a non contending non playoff team stop you from getting a top 2 player? Your insane and that'd explain why the warriors are, well the warriors.

And I mean that with love because GSW is my 2k12 team. IMHO GSW would be smarter pursuing al Jeff or someone who'd be happy there. A go to scorer

I don't think it's fair to say "that's why the Warriors are the Warriors". That was previous ownership and in my opinion Lacob has proven he's a good owner. The Warriors don't really have a need in the starting five right now besides Small Forward (which will be addressed in the draft or trade), so that's why I don't think the Warriors will throw everything at the Magic for Howard.

MonroeFAN
05-17-2012, 04:35 PM
MagicBucsSox, did you honestly say that Delonte West and Jameer Nelson were better than Kyle Lowry? In fact, adding Irving & Holiday to that list as well?

Vinylman
05-17-2012, 04:37 PM
Orlando ain't trading him to lac unless Blake involved. End of story. They're not gonna just "settle" for anything else on that team.

Ps lac would be stupid to not trade him for dwight

that was kinda my point...

no one other than donald sterling would be stupid enough to sign jordan to a contract like that let alone take that **** deal on

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 04:52 PM
MagicBucsSox, did you honestly say that Delonte West and Jameer Nelson were better than Kyle Lowry? In fact, adding Irving & Holiday to that list as well?

Idk where u got delonte west from. Holiday n Irving no doubt. As far as jameer nelson, they're the same player. In fact when Dwight went down and Nelson had nO one to defer to his stats were better than Lowry, who has no one to defer to nightly
So let's see where your going with this

astrosmaniac
05-17-2012, 05:21 PM
Idk where u got delonte west from. Holiday n Irving no doubt. As far as jameer nelson, they're the same player. In fact when Dwight went down and Nelson had nO one to defer to his stats were better than Lowry, who has no one to defer to nightly
So let's see where your going with this
All per game numbers are per 36 min, since all 4 averaged at least 30 MPG

Lowry:
16.0 PPG, 7.4 APG, 5.1 RPG, 41% FG, 37.4% 3PT, .558 TS%, .486 EFG%, 32.3 AST%, 22 USG%, 111 ORtg, 104 DRtg, .157 WS/48

Holiday:
14.4 PPG, 4.8 APG, 3.5 RPG, 43% FG, 38% 3PT, .496 TS%, .471 EFG%, 21.6 AST%, 21.8 USG%, 99 ORtg, 101 DRtg, .092 WS/48

Irving:
21.8 PPG, 6.4 APG, 4.4 RPG, 46.9 FG%, 39.9% 3PT, .566 TS%, .517 EFG%, 36.5 AST%, 28.7 USG%, 109 ORtg, 110 DRtg, .125 WS/48

Nelson:
14.3 PPG, 6.9 APG, 3.8 RPG, 42.7% FG, 37.7% 3PT, .524 TS%, .499 EFG%, 34.0 AST%, 21.4 USG%, 106 ORtg, 107 DRtg, .099 WS/48


so you have an argument for irving. he's clearly the best scorer of the bunch, although he did have a significantly higher usg% than the other three. he also is probably the worst defender of the three IMO, but he's only a rookie and his offensive prowess offsets that deficiency imo.

Holiday just flat out wasnt better. He was a better defender, but not significantly. He doesn't facilitate nearly as well as any of the others and for a guy who doesn't facilitate well, he wasn;t exactly an efficient scorer.

Nelson played the role of facilitator well, but he wasn't as good of a scorer or defender as lowry. so no he's not better than lowry

5ass
05-17-2012, 05:23 PM
Idk where u got delonte west from. Holiday n Irving no doubt. As far as jameer nelson, they're the same player. In fact when Dwight went down and Nelson had nO one to defer to his stats were better than Lowry, who has no one to defer to nightly
So let's see where your going with this

Man what the hell are u on? Lowry is a legit PG. soooo much better than nelson its not even funny. Lowry can get u 20-10-5 with elite defense. Hes already improved a lot so we know he has good work ethic and hes still young.

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 05:27 PM
All per game numbers are per 36 min, since all 4 averaged at least 30 MPG

Lowry:
16.0 PPG, 7.4 APG, 5.1 RPG, 41% FG, 37.4% 3PT, .558 TS%, .486 EFG%, 32.3 AST%, 22 USG%, 111 ORtg, 104 DRtg, .157 WS/48

Holiday:
14.4 PPG, 4.8 APG, 3.5 RPG, 43% FG, 38% 3PT, .496 TS%, .471 EFG%, 21.6 AST%, 21.8 USG%, 99 ORtg, 101 DRtg, .092 WS/48

Irving:
21.8 PPG, 6.4 APG, 4.4 RPG, 46.9 FG%, 39.9% 3PT, .566 TS%, .517 EFG%, 36.5 AST%, 28.7 USG%, 109 ORtg, 110 DRtg, .125 WS/48

Nelson:
14.3 PPG, 6.9 APG, 3.8 RPG, 42.7% FG, 37.7% 3PT, .524 TS%, .499 EFG%, 34.0 AST%, 21.4 USG%, 106 ORtg, 107 DRtg, .099 WS/48


so you have an argument for irving. he's clearly the best scorer of the bunch, although he did have a significantly higher usg% than the other three. he also is probably the worst defender of the three IMO, but he's only a rookie and his offensive prowess offsets that deficiency imo.

Holiday just flat out wasnt better. He was a better defender, but not significantly. He doesn't facilitate nearly as well as any of the others and for a guy who doesn't facilitate well, he wasn;t exactly an efficient scorer.

Nelson played the role of facilitator well, but he wasn't as good of a scorer or defender as lowry. so no he's not better than lowry

Basketball has been around long before any of those weird stats you posted. I don't need all those advance stats.
I go off the eye test and my eyes are pretty good
And far as nelson there's no clear difference so if you want that have it. I hope u sleep better. But looks like he's a better shooter

D12 fan
05-17-2012, 05:44 PM
how would the clipps get it done? they ain't trading blake which means orlando would have to take that turd Jordan and probably someone like butler or mo just to match dwight... that wouldn't leave dick for a supporting cast

blake/D12/CP3/and either mo or butler would be over $51 million in cap...

basically leaving them with the mle to fill out the roster

If Chris Paul asked Clippers management to get Dwight this offseason trust me they will trade Blake Griffin in a hurry to get D12 to team up with CP3.I think Blake Griffin is overated and it has shown in the playoffs,CP3 has to do everything on offense for that team to win,if he had Dwight they would be a totally different team.Im sure they would love to get rid of Deandre Jordan contract that guy is overpaid and does nothing but dunk.

Blake/Jordan for Dwight/Anderson is a fair trade and the best deal Orlando could get for Dwight,like I said if Dwight was to add the Clippers to his list im sure this deal would happen in the offseason.

DR_1
05-17-2012, 06:07 PM
This will be a interesting offseason,their will be a lot of teams looking to gamble on trading for Dwight.These are teams who might look to trade for Dwight even without a extension.

Clippers:Maybe CP3 pushes management to trade for his buddy D12.
Lakers:Bynum for Dwight will always be a possibility.
Rockets:They are willing to take the gamble.
Warriors:They are willing to take the gamble.
Miami:Maybe a Bosh,filler for Dwight is possible if they don't win it all.
Brooklyn:This is where Dwight want's to play.
Knicks:They would love to swap Amare/Chandler for Dwight/filler.
Chicago:Maybe a Noah/Deng for Dwight swap.
Atlanta:Johnson/Horford for Dwight/Turk,D12 hometown team.
I agree should be interesring

Raph12
05-17-2012, 06:40 PM
Dwight wouldn't resign, so they'd be trading for a rental...

Htownballa1622
05-17-2012, 07:02 PM
Basketball has been around long before any of those weird stats you posted. I don't need all those advance stats.
I go off the eye test and my eyes are pretty good
And far as nelson there's no clear difference so if you want that have it. I hope u sleep better. But looks like he's a better shooter

yeah, because eyes work 100% of the time without bias.:rolleyes:

lowry is better than nelson.

MagicBucsSox
05-17-2012, 07:14 PM
yeah, because eyes work 100% of the time without bias.:roll eyes:

lowry is better than nelson.

You hype as if there's some marginal difference either way

Htownballa1622
05-17-2012, 07:19 PM
You hype as if there's some marginal difference either way

no i just call it like it is. lowry>jameer. sorry. don't take it personal.

Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 07:47 PM
Lowry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nelson

D12 fan
05-17-2012, 08:00 PM
Lowry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nelson

Nah duh.

Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 08:01 PM
Nah duh.

Don't get smart with me ***** !!

John Walls Era
05-17-2012, 08:04 PM
They should try to get Bynum (good luck, the owner's son knows Bynum is GOD and won't trade him).

D12 fan
05-17-2012, 08:14 PM
Don't get smart with me ***** !!

Calm down kid,everybody knows Lowry is better than Nelson.

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Monta is beast
05-17-2012, 08:46 PM
Calm down kid,everybody knows Lowry is better than Nelson.

"Nah duh"

D12 fan
05-17-2012, 09:20 PM
"nah duh"

lol u mad.