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KB-Pau-DH2012
05-15-2012, 08:52 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7935166/2012-nba-playoffs-los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-cites-injury-risk-drawing-charges


OKLAHOMA CITY -- The Los Angeles Lakers only forced four turnovers from the Oklahoma City Thunder in Monday's 119-90 loss in Game 1 of the Western Conference semifinals.

One way the Lakers could plan to get the Thunder, which had the most turnovers in the league during the regular season with 16.35 per game, to cough it up more would be to try to take charges in Game 2.

Just don't expect Kobe Bryant to be the one taking them.

"We got a couple guys that take charges, but for the most part, the one guy that took a charge is now playing in Oklahoma," Bryant said after practice Tuesday, referring to Derek Fisher. "I don't take charges. Metta (World Peace) don't take charges. Steve (Blake) will take a charge every now and then, but most everybody else just stands up and plays."

The 33-year-old veteran who is playing in his 16th season said part of the reason for his longevity is his aversion to sacrificing his body to draw offensive fouls.

"I learned from my predecessors," Bryant said. "(Scottie) Pippen had a (messed) up back taking charges. (Larry) Bird had a (messed) up back taking charges. I said, 'I'm not taking charges.' I figured that ... out at an early age."

Bryant said that Pippen and Bird didn't share their charge-taking horror stories with him to influence his decision, he merely noticed through observation. He also picked up on other legends who benefited from not taking charges.

"I've seen Michael (Jordan) not take one ... charge and he's healthy his whole career and the same thing with Magic (Johnson)," Bryant said. "I might not be the smartest guy in the room, but I can figure that ... out."

Bryant estimated he's only taken one charge in the last two seasons and it was probably "by accident."

"I couldn't get out of the way," Bryant joked.

Even though taking charges isn't in Bryant's bag of tricks, he credited players who do take them successfully.

"Shane (Battier) does a great job taking charges," Bryant said. "Fish actually does a great job taking charges too ... It's a skill. It's definitely a skill. I know at Duke they teach that, they drill that, how to step in and take charges and sacrifice your body."

Bryant's comments on charge-taking came on the heels of commissioner David Stern decrying the epidemic of flopping going on in today's NBA.

"I think it's time to look at (flopping) in a more serious way," Stern said Sunday, "because it's only designed to fool the referee. It's not a legitimate play in my judgment. I recognize if there's contact (you) move a little bit, but some of this is acting. We should give out Oscars rather than MVP trophies."

Bryant, who made it clear, "I don't flop," echoed Stern's remarks.

"There's a difference (between taking a charge and flopping). We all know what flopping is when we see it," Bryant said. "The stuff that you see is where guys aren't really getting hit at all and are just flailing around like a fish out of water. That's kind of like, where are your balls at?"

Lakers coach Mike Brown said that it will be difficult for the league to enforce some sort of anti-flopping policy, however.

"It is (a problem)," Brown said. "I don't know how you clean it up though because everything is a judgment call and when it happens, and it happens at the speed that it does, how do you clean that up? Because, it's human error. You see somebody get hit, a lot of times you're told to make a strong call. You're told to be strong with your calls and so you're going to hit that whistle real hard. You hit that whistle real hard and by then, it might be too late. It's like, man, he might not have done that but it's too late."

D12 fan
05-15-2012, 09:00 PM
Ok Kobe bad ***.

Chronz
05-15-2012, 09:08 PM
Yea, my friends have always noted what a bad charge taker he is, who knows if he has a point but Im not convinced by a few names.

ManRam
05-15-2012, 09:18 PM
Ok Kobe bad ***.

Bad *** because he's scared to take charges? :laugh:

He doesn't flop much, if at all. Good for him though.

Lakeshow24KB
05-15-2012, 09:18 PM
Hahahahaha where your balls at? Hahahaha

meloman1592
05-15-2012, 09:30 PM
I hate Kobe but, he's damn right

Carey
05-15-2012, 09:32 PM
Hahahahaha where your balls at? Hahahaha

That was boss! lol

ThunderousDemon
05-15-2012, 09:32 PM
"where are your balls at?"
:laugh:

Chavacano
05-15-2012, 09:47 PM
where are your balls at?

Boss. :worthy:

NYY 26 to 7
05-15-2012, 09:48 PM
Haha well I'm sure not a Kobe fan but much respect to that. The guy has just been giving some great quotes lately.

Chronz
05-15-2012, 10:02 PM
Boss. :worthy:

I cant tell if that chick in your gif is hot or not

D-Leethal
05-15-2012, 10:09 PM
Props to Kobe. I am glad to see flopping hit the mainstreams. The flop awareness alone should hopefully hinder guys from doing it, at some point you gotta have some balls like Kobe said. One thing to try to fly under the radar with that garbage.

khaleesi
05-15-2012, 10:13 PM
After seeing the Clippers and Heat -- it really does need addressing.

Paul, LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Griffin are damning embarrassing.

Sadds The Gr8
05-15-2012, 10:15 PM
I hate him, but he's right.

Supreme LA
05-15-2012, 10:20 PM
kobe speaks the truth. I'm not gonna act like I know the solution is to the problem, but as an avid fan of the NBA for the last 20 yrs and my respect and love for the game itself, something must change.

Some games are almost unbearable to watch. It's as of some of these players have a game within a game going on with the refs. I lose so much respect for the superstars who are guilty of this.

Mr Costanza
05-15-2012, 10:23 PM
No matter what your view is on flopping, it's definitely an issue right now that has a lot of wind on its back. It's not just the big name players doing itthough, it's just that the spotlight is always on them. Lebron, Bosh, Blake et al really are looking like fools in this mess.

Supreme LA
05-15-2012, 10:30 PM
No matter what your view is on flopping, it's definitely an issue right now that has a lot of wind on its back. It's not just the big name players doing itthough, it's just that the spotlight is always on them. Lebron, Bosh, Blake et al really are looking like fools in this mess.

But they need to be called out on and things certainly need to change. I mean, there is literally flopping in every part of the game now. People flop on loose balls, defense, offense, and even a recent flop by CP3 bumping in to a ref?? Like wtf!!!!

One of the most annoying things I see is players like Blake and Lebron drive to rack hard, initiate the contact, jerk their head back and get the call. That's not how the game is supposed to be played...it makes me upset just thinking about.

yanksrock
05-15-2012, 10:33 PM
He mad!!

D-Leethal
05-15-2012, 10:34 PM
No matter what your view is on flopping, it's definitely an issue right now that has a lot of wind on its back. It's not just the big name players doing itthough, it's just that the spotlight is always on them. Lebron, Bosh, Blake et al really are looking like fools in this mess.

Its at the point where they are all over Sportscenter looking like fools, Stern has addressed it, and Kobe an old school badass is asking them if they have any balls. I think the problem might solve itself.

I'd like to thank Chris Webber for breaking the ice on live TV during a playoff game. Once he mocked Blake it became a regular thing on the airwaves and TV's not only the messageboards. If these guys continue to go out there and embarass themselves than its a sadder situation than I thought and big brother would have to lay down the law.

AIRMAR72
05-15-2012, 10:37 PM
why should we care what this guy kobe opinion are when it comes to playing defense and taking charges kobe hasnt played D in 9YRS and was he never really that good at it

Mr Costanza
05-15-2012, 10:41 PM
why should we care what this guy kobe opinion are when it comes to playing defense and taking charges kobe hasnt played D in 9YRS and was he never really that good at it

I'm pretty sure you would find a way to criticize Kobe for curing cancer.

Chavacano
05-15-2012, 10:41 PM
I cant tell if that chick in your gif is hot or not

Believe me. She's hot. ;)


why should we care what this guy kobe opinion are when it comes to playing defense and taking charges kobe hasnt played D in 9YRS and was he never really that good at it

U mad? :eyebrow:

Supreme LA
05-15-2012, 10:42 PM
why should we care what this guy kobe opinion are when it comes to playing defense and taking charges kobe hasnt played D in 9YRS and was he never really that good at it

Then why bother to read it or even post?? Go away.

willabeast77
05-15-2012, 10:49 PM
Kobe saying he doesn't flop? Haha priceless!

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-15-2012, 10:50 PM
Kobe saying he doesn't flop? Haha priceless!

Don't be mad now.

ddent12
05-15-2012, 11:13 PM
Whats so funny is ..... until I read that article from Kobe it just clicked why the Lakers Team 'D' is so horrible. A bunch of guys that don't want to get in the way of anything are the Lakers, no body on that team does(hell I'd love to see bynum take a charge). Basically relying on only the shot blocking at the rim. They need to realize that Pau & Bynum cant block every shot. And others team know they can fly down the lane and not worry about someone stepping in it, is why we get torched by points guards. So when I really looked at the game on monday all you see is a bunch of arms sticking out trying to strip the ball. If the lakers would take some charges it would solve a lot of issue of guards coming down the lane. And taking a charge isnt a flop, they put a circle in the lane for that reason.

The Lakers are half *** adopting Browns defense .....

BallIsAll
05-16-2012, 12:14 AM
They should just cancel out charges to the rim. **** that whole in the circle bs. If I'm going to the rim and you get in my way without making a play on the ball and actually playing defense then it should be a foul on you. Taking charges is not playing defense. It's ridiculous I am not putting my body in the way so someone can run me over. I will put them on their *** before they run me over. Me pushing someone or actually initiating contact like elbowing using a forearm and such can be an offensive foul **** a charge.

jrands
05-16-2012, 12:48 AM
why should we care what this guy kobe opinion are when it comes to playing defense and taking charges kobe hasnt played D in 9YRS and was he never really that good at it

Cool story bro...as for the flopping, there has to be a system where the game is reviewed post-game and then a penalty is doled out. Yes, it may undermine refs, but it's time for the NBA to admit that sometimes the refs need help too. Yes, the NBA should come at post-game reviews from the point that the refs need help, not from the point that the refs are not doing their jobs correctly. Anyone can be fooled. I'm an avid soccer fan and it's been a problem for years and years and I wish FIFA would also install a post-game review procedure.

Now what should the punishment be? Fines will not be enough unless it is a hefty fine like say $500,000 for each confirmed flop. Or maybe, a fine and a point or two taken away for each confirmed flop? So not only would a player lose money, they would also potentially lose a game for their team due to their antics. The punishment/penalty must be severe, because seeing what the NBA has come has made the game unbearable to watch at times. People would get laughed off/kicked off the blacktop court if they pulled some of the flopping that the NBA players do. It's embarrassing.

The big question also would be setting up the protocol in assessing whether someone flopped or not. Some flops are way more noticeable than others. Maybe, the Flop Committee can just start with the obvious ones for now and then figure some more defined as the protocol will naturally evolve over time. Something has to be done soon.

EDIT: Another possible idea is maybe install something similar to the NFL's instant replay. Give a team two review calls. If it is determined that the player did flop, give the other team a FT and the ball, etc....I think this would work.

stawka
05-16-2012, 01:05 AM
never seen Kobe flop on defense, but DAMN he flops a lot (flailing his arms, screaming) and complaining on the offensive end

ddent12
05-16-2012, 01:08 AM
EDIT: Another possible idea is maybe install something similar to the NFL's instant replay. Give a team to review calls. If it is determined that the player did flop, give the other team a FT and the ball, etc....I think this would work.

Now that I think is the best idea .... because they would think twice if they did throw the flag and it wasn't considered a flop. Then they would give up a free throw and possesion. And to know the other team could call you out on it would have you hesitate on flopping.

Get that idea to the commitee. It would make it fun as well since there are so many eyes on the bench I can see the crowds and players being an influence on coaches tossing out the flag since they are a lot closer than the football crowd.

MintBerryCrunch
05-16-2012, 01:11 AM
why should we care what this guy kobe opinion are when it comes to playing defense and taking charges kobe hasnt played D in 9YRS and was he never really that good at it

You're just a little hater aren't you ? This thread isnt even about Kobe's defense he's just saying he doesn't flop ( true) or take charges (true). He was a great lockdown defender back in the day and everyone knows that so go back to MJ's sack and GTFO.

MintBerryCrunch
05-16-2012, 01:13 AM
never seen Kobe flop on defense, but DAMN he flops a lot (flailing his arms, screaming) and complaining on the offensive end

He actually rarely flops. Doubt you watch many of his games .

jrands
05-16-2012, 01:15 AM
Now that I think is the best idea .... because they would think twice if they did throw the flag and it wasn't considered a flop. Then they would give up a free throw and possesion. And to know the other team could call you out on it would have you hesitate on flopping.

Get that idea to the commitee. It would make it fun as well since there are so many eyes on the bench I can see the crowds and players being an influence on coaches tossing out the flag since they are a lot closer than the football crowd.

Oh, what I meant is that, if Blake Griffin was the alleged flopper, and Popovich asks for a review of the alleged flop, and Griffin did indeed flop, that the Spurs would be awarded a FT and possession of the ball. If it is determined that Griffin didn't flop (HIGHLY UNLIKELY), then the Spurs would just be charged a time out like how it is done in the NFL.

EDIT: Also, the home team can then setup up on the Jumbotron an edited replay of the Flop with music. Maybe a retake on Ghostbusters, but instead rename it Flopbusters. "Who you gonna call? FLOPBUSTERS!!! doo-doo-doo-doo-dooooo-do-doooo,d-d-d-d-d-dooo-dooo" It be frakkin awesome...

Raph12
05-16-2012, 02:26 AM
Any overreaction is a flop, whether there is contact or not... Ergo, Fisher is a flopper.

Heatcheck
05-16-2012, 08:30 AM
Classic pot calling the kettle black...

Kobes just as bad as the rest of them.
his favorite move for years was to catch someone in the air and lean into him, throw his arms in the air, and start screaming at the ref.

Cmon Kobe

thenaj17
05-16-2012, 08:46 AM
[QUOTE=Chavacano;22198300]Believe me. She's hot. ;)



She might be hot but why the hell she bobbing her head round like a fool. Just looks silly!

D-Leethal
05-16-2012, 09:29 AM
Throwing your hands in the air under the rim during the continuation of a play where you get slapped across the wrists going up strong is not the same as getting hand checked 25 feet from the rim and tossing the ball out of bounds, flailing your arms and doing a 360 spin-to-fall-on-*** to sell a call that really had 0 effect on the play or possession.

Its also not the same as grabbing your throat like your choking to death after a lovetap, grabbing your neck like you just broke your spine after a screen (and getting up like everything is fine once the whistle is blown), or flopping during a dead play into a ref to 'draw' a technical on the other team.

Those are the flops that are a disgrace for the league, those are the flops that began running rampant recently. Those flops are the problem, not the token 4 point play flop thats been around for years, or Chauncey sensing contact and putting up a shot to get 3 FT's, or Kobe pump faking and jumping into a guy. Its the flops on plays that would otherwise never be called, during non crucial moments of a game, and the flops that otherwise would have no effect on the game (i.e, getting lovetapped 30 feet from the hoop while dribbling the ball and diving on the floor like you got 2 hand pushed).

When you take it strong in traffic under the rim and get fouled you gotta make sure you get a call, that doesn't mean everytime someone touches you with incidental contact in a non-scoring situation, touches that otherwise would never be deemed a foul, you gotta dive on the floor to make sure a foul is called. That ruins the integrity of the game.

Not all flops are equal.

Heatcheck
05-16-2012, 09:41 AM
And one more thing, how are you questioning peoples balls when you and KG do the slimiest **** on the court. between KG punching people in the nuts while they shoot jumpers, and Kobe slapping people in the face when he get his shot blocked, or hitting people in the throat, i dont know who acts pettier.

Heatcheck
05-16-2012, 09:44 AM
He actually rarely flops. Doubt you watch many of his games .

likewise buddy, thats always been his favorite move.

there is a reason he and reggie got into a catfight back in the day.

Hawkeye15
05-16-2012, 10:25 AM
Kobe doesn't flop defensively, I will give him that.

Flopping needs to be addressed badly. There is a difference between taking charges, being great at it, and trying to act your way into a whistle.

Sssmush
05-16-2012, 10:33 AM
Epic Kobe completely nails it.

Wow, you could see it already in game 1 of LAL vs OKC, Harden is pretending constantly, provoking and pretending constantly. Like, when he is watching the game from the bench he is flinching and flopping like he wants a technical foul everytime Ron Artest does anything or even touches the ball.

Look... we GET it. Harden wants Artest suspended. But c'mon all this flopping is making a farce of the league.

I'm totally digging it that the league is coming down so hard on the floppers. HAHA the great thing is that the referees are doing much better this year, and trying to let the players play, but it is the FLOPPERS trying to force the refs to make calls, trying to play through the refs. So if the refs ignore them that is awesome.

On the other hand, for Artest the situation is weird, because the league is buckling down on floppers, but if Harden lands one successful flop Artest could get suspended 10 or more games.

D-Leethal
05-16-2012, 10:42 AM
I know its only been a couple games but I have noticed less flops since Stern came out and voiced his disgust with the flops, and when there are blatant flops out there, I have noticed they are not getting called. Obviously its only a couple games as a sample size, but we saw games from Heat and Clips where to took more than 2 hands to count the # of blatant flops. I think the problem might fix itself with due to increased awareness and more of a media focus on flopping and the floppers.

Chavacano
05-17-2012, 02:51 AM
She might be hot but why the hell she bobbing her head round like a fool. Just looks silly!

That's the point. :eyebrow: