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llemon
05-14-2012, 05:12 PM
Why has he not taken more heat for Nuggets playoff loss to the Lakers.

D12 fan
05-14-2012, 05:13 PM
llemon.

Sactown
05-14-2012, 05:17 PM
He's not a star player, I did think he was going to be the X-factor for that team against LA and he just didn't show up.. I think this is going to affect his appearance in the future, I thought he was going to be a star in the making, but I'm not so sure anymore.

Redskins10
05-14-2012, 05:18 PM
Because he isn't that good

GiantsSwaGG
05-14-2012, 05:18 PM
:facepalm: He's not a star

Gram
05-14-2012, 05:20 PM
He's a starter at best. I like him a lot though. Take Stuckey for him Denver. :cool:

rhymeratic
05-14-2012, 05:30 PM
Because we in NYC already knew what his ceiling is... nice no. 3/4 on a good team. If he is your star... you're in trouble.

llemon
05-14-2012, 05:31 PM
He's a starter at best. I like him a lot though. Take Stuckey for him Denver. :cool:

Being 'just a starter' is one thing.

His horrible performance in the playoffs is absolutely on a different level.

GiantsSwaGG
05-14-2012, 05:33 PM
Being 'just a starter' is one thing.

His horrible performance in the playoffs is absolutely on a different level.

He's a role player, not a star...What do you expect?

IIISSKiLL
05-14-2012, 05:33 PM
im assuming it's because the nuggets weren't suppose to win that series and going 7 games against the lakers was good enough to not complain about anything

llemon
05-14-2012, 05:36 PM
He's a role player, not a star...What do you expect?

Better than 29% shooting, as shooting is his selling point.

D12 fan
05-14-2012, 05:36 PM
He was coming off a injury,and he's a solid role player at best,he was overhyped in NY.

llemon
05-14-2012, 05:38 PM
He was coming off a injury,and he's a solid role player at best,he was overhyped in NY.

29% shooting. Many, many open shots.

Rain City
05-14-2012, 05:38 PM
6ft10 shoots like a guard, rebounds like a guard, and flops like a miami heat.....Go back to Italy!!! Cant stand this guy, NY took so long to part with him in the Melo deal, I dont get it, talented player who hinders your chances of playing championship basketball, too soft and one dimensional.....

GiantsSwaGG
05-14-2012, 05:41 PM
/thread

PleaseBeNice
05-14-2012, 05:41 PM
Because he looks like a rooster

Rain City
05-14-2012, 05:45 PM
I might go a little nuts in this thread, i really dont like what Gallinari stands for and the treatment that he gets because his papa and and D'antoni were pals in Italian pro ball....He shoulda never been taken as high as he was, he shoulda never been looked at as a franchise player, NY shoulda never taken so long to part with him like they wanted to play him at the 4 with Melo??? GET REAL......His poor series play was NO surprise to me, he plays Euroball, he is a one trick pony, he is the softest player in the NBA.....The only thing he is good for is poster making.

llemon
05-14-2012, 05:48 PM
Because he looks like a rooster

Are you talking about Chris Anderson?

Sactown
05-14-2012, 05:56 PM
I might go a little nuts in this thread, i really dont like what Gallinari stands for and the treatment that he gets because his papa and and D'antoni were pals in Italian pro ball....He shoulda never been taken as high as he was, he shoulda never been looked at as a franchise player, NY shoulda never taken so long to part with him like they wanted to play him at the 4 with Melo??? GET REAL......His poor series play was NO surprise to me, he plays Euroball, he is a one trick pony, he is the softest player in the NBA.....The only thing he is good for is poster making.

He's a legit SF who can play the point forward, he can shoot the ball and create his own shot and create shots for others. He has a lot of potential and would be a great 6th man currently, he has a high ceiling because of his skill set and size

blastmasta26
05-14-2012, 05:58 PM
I might go a little nuts in this thread, i really dont like what Gallinari stands for and the treatment that he gets because his papa and and D'antoni were pals in Italian pro ball....He shoulda never been taken as high as he was, he shoulda never been looked at as a franchise player, NY shoulda never taken so long to part with him like they wanted to play him at the 4 with Melo??? GET REAL......His poor series play was NO surprise to me, he plays Euroball, he is a one trick pony, he is the softest player in the NBA.....The only thing he is good for is poster making.

Gallo at the 3 with Melo at the 4 would've been nice.

Gallo had potential, still does. He's a young player, and one or even two bad playoff series don't cement a player as a failure. He's also not a "one trick pony," he's been developing other parts of his game. He probably shouldn't have been drafted that high, but again, potential is overrated sometimes when drafting.

He's not a franchise player, but I still think of him having the capability of being a 3rd option on a deep contender.

Rain City
05-14-2012, 06:07 PM
He's a legit SF who can play the point forward, he can shoot the ball and create his own shot and create shots for others. He has a lot of potential and would be a great 6th man currently, he has a high ceiling because of his skill set and size

fart noise....he shoots 41% FG, 32%, 3pt%, 14.5ppg, these are his bright spots and average numbers for a SF.....Upside?? His numbers have plateaued for 3 season, hes not that good of a passer, t/o/ assist is too high, defense is close to non existent, and rebounding is poor.....Lets call it what he is, a shooting specialist who should come of bench.

Ill take steve novak over him.

llemon
05-14-2012, 06:14 PM
Gallo at the 3 with Melo at the 4 would've been nice.

Gallo had potential, still does. He's a young player, and one or even two bad playoff series don't cement a player as a failure. He's also not a "one trick pony," he's been developing other parts of his game. He probably shouldn't have been drafted that high, but again, potential is overrated sometimes when drafting.

He's not a franchise player, but I still think of him having the capability of being a 3rd option on a deep contender.

Again,who is trying to cement Gallo as a failure, or a one trick pony?

Just saying that there is not a Nuggets player more to blame because of his poor performance for Denver's playoff loss to the Lakers than Danilo.

And just so you know, I'm of Italian decent, and I really wanted Danilo to carry his weight in that series, especially as I also hate the Lakers.

But Gallinari was just horrific throughout the series.

IgglesFanInCO
05-14-2012, 06:16 PM
He was injured, and fought injuries all season, he has potential but hasnt proven anything any which way, wait til after next season when he is actually healthy and has had an offseason with his team before making judgements

colinskik
05-14-2012, 06:20 PM
fart noise....he shoots 41% FG, 32%, 3pt%, 14.5ppg, these are his bright spots and average numbers for a SF.....Upside?? His numbers have plateaued for 3 season, hes not that good of a passer, t/o/ assist is too high, defense is close to non existent, and rebounding is poor.....Lets call it what he is, a shooting specialist who should come of bench.

Ill take steve novak over him.
So would I, but that's because they aren't even close to the same type of player.

Gallo is not the shooter he was touted to be, or even proved to be his first year. And he certainly isn't one dimensional. He drives to the lane and makes plays. If he could hit his open jumper with more consistency then he might be a really good player, but as of now he's decent.

Rain City
05-14-2012, 06:21 PM
He was injured, and fought injuries all season, he has potential but hasnt proven anything any which way, wait til after next season when he is actually healthy and has had an offseason with his team before making judgements

he will probably always be fighting injury because of how physical the nba game is how soft he is. He is best suited for the Euro game. If they were smart they'd be working with Jordan Hamilton to step in and play SF next year.

nycericanguy
05-14-2012, 06:28 PM
I might go a little nuts in this thread, i really dont like what Gallinari stands for and the treatment that he gets because his papa and and D'antoni were pals in Italian pro ball....He shoulda never been taken as high as he was, he shoulda never been looked at as a franchise player, NY shoulda never taken so long to part with him like they wanted to play him at the 4 with Melo??? GET REAL......His poor series play was NO surprise to me, he plays Euroball, he is a one trick pony, he is the softest player in the NBA.....The only thing he is good for is poster making.

Did Gallo bang your GF or something?

llemon
05-14-2012, 06:29 PM
He was injured, and fought injuries all season, he has potential but hasnt proven anything any which way, wait til after next season when he is actually healthy and has had an offseason with his team before making judgements

Simple question. Was Gallo's incredibly poor performance the major reason Nugs did not beat Lakers in this past series?

There are no other implications being suggested by me.

GiantsSwaGG
05-14-2012, 06:34 PM
Simple question. Was Gallo's incredibly poor performance the major reason Nugs did not beat Lakers in this past series?

There are no other implications being suggested by me.

Dude why are you hell bent to down Gallo?

He's a role player and nothing more. Maybe going up against Kobe had alot to do with it......they did take it to 7 gamez, they were lucky they didn't get swept!

thekmp211
05-14-2012, 06:36 PM
gallo is not just a shooter. he is surprising off the dribble and can play good defense when he's healthy and motivated on that end.

he was also never really healthy. although if he had even played just a little closer to his average self it might have put his team over the edge.

he's always struck me as a more athletic peja, not as pure a shooter but a bit better at some other things. that's how i see his ceiling as a player.

blahblahyoutoo
05-14-2012, 06:57 PM
his shot is not that good.

Sactown
05-14-2012, 07:01 PM
Simple question. Was Gallo's incredibly poor performance the major reason Nugs did not beat Lakers in this past series?

There are no other implications being suggested by me.

No, the Nuggets didn't have the experience or size to compete on the boards. and their only shot was to get into transition and they just couldn't do that at the end of the game.

Chronz
05-14-2012, 07:01 PM
People are scared to make threads

Rain City
05-14-2012, 07:12 PM
gallo is not just a shooter. he is surprising off the dribble and can play good defense when he's healthy and motivated on that end.

he was also never really healthy. although if he had even played just a little closer to his average self it might have put his team over the edge.

he's always struck me as a more athletic peja, not as pure a shooter but a bit better at some other things. that's how i see his ceiling as a player.

i dont see many similarities with peja and he will not have nearly the success. I think Toni Kukoc is close, a semi talented offensive player by NBA standards, doesnt do much rebounding or defense, overmatched by nba starters, not physical enough, injured too much. A comparison to Kukoc sounds like a compliment but we all know his weaknesses were masked playing with MJ and Pipp and he was famous because he was a one of the Euro to NBA pioneers. Kukoc was ok at best. Frigin pansy like gallo.

KnicksorBust
05-14-2012, 07:32 PM
If we made threads everytime a non-star had a rough patch of games the forum would be a mess. I also hate the Kukoc comparison. Gallo is not a facilitator. Hedo is more like Kukoc.

PlezPlayDKnicks
05-14-2012, 07:33 PM
i dont see many similarities with peja and he will not have nearly the success. I think Toni Kukoc is close, a semi talented offensive player by NBA standards, doesnt do much rebounding or defense, overmatched by nba starters, not physical enough, injured too much. A comparison to Kukoc sounds like a compliment but we all know his weaknesses were masked playing with MJ and Pipp and he was famous because he was a one of the Euro to NBA pioneers. Kukoc was ok at best. Frigin pansy like gallo.

What a horrible scOut u would be ..

KingPosey
05-14-2012, 07:37 PM
gallo is not just a shooter. he is surprising off the dribble and can play good defense when he's healthy and motivated on that end.

he was also never really healthy. although if he had even played just a little closer to his average self it might have put his team over the edge.

he's always struck me as a more athletic peja, not as pure a shooter but a bit better at some other things. that's how i see his ceiling as a player.

Ill give you more athletic, but Peja was by far a more well rounded player. Gallinari is never going to touch Peja's game from 01-04.

beasted86
05-14-2012, 07:44 PM
He's just not that good.

Mudvayne91
05-14-2012, 07:46 PM
I might go a little nuts in this thread, i really dont like what Gallinari stands for and the treatment that he gets because his papa and and D'antoni were pals in Italian pro ball....He shoulda never been taken as high as he was, he shoulda never been looked at as a franchise player, NY shoulda never taken so long to part with him like they wanted to play him at the 4 with Melo??? GET REAL......His poor series play was NO surprise to me, he plays Euroball, he is a one trick pony, he is the softest player in the NBA.....The only thing he is good for is poster making.

He goes hard to the basket all the time and plays pretty physical D. Sure, he does flop. That is pretty weak. Your boy Melo does it too, so don't act like that makes him the softest player in the league. I'm going to say simply put, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

thekmp211
05-14-2012, 07:47 PM
Ill give you more athletic, but Peja was by far a more well rounded player. Gallinari is never going to touch Peja's game from 01-04.

more well rounded? at what? passing? rebounding? certainly not defending.

peja was the much more effective player, for sure, at this stage in gallo's career there's no doubt about it. but i see 2 shooting forwards who struggles on the perimeter at times because of their size. but too soft and lazy to play down low as 4's despite being more than tall enough.

beasted86
05-14-2012, 07:50 PM
more well rounded? at what? passing? rebounding? certainly not defending.

peja was the much more effective player, for sure, at this stage in gallo's career there's no doubt about it. but i see 2 shooting forwards who struggles on the perimeter at times because of their size. but too soft and lazy to play down low as 4's despite being more than tall enough.

Not trying to bait, but it sounds from your posts like you are a newer fan to the NBA that didn't watch prime Peja. He was an MVP candidate at one point.

lakersfan01
05-14-2012, 07:50 PM
:laugh:

Mudvayne91
05-14-2012, 07:51 PM
And Gallo is how old? 23-24? He didn't play a great series, but he did make some huge shots. He most likely won't be a top 10 player, but holy crap, some of you are ridiculous. For one, he was playing injured. I'm going to withhold some judgement on the guy instead of making some absurd comments based on 7 games.

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 07:55 PM
Because Gallo is a beast.

thekmp211
05-14-2012, 08:00 PM
Not trying to bait, but it sounds from your posts like you are a newer fan to the NBA that didn't watch prime Peja. He was an MVP candidate at one point.

please. those teams raised me on the nba.

pejas was a FRINGE MVP candidate. and he was always one dimensional. his game was dirk on steroids. phenomenal shooter but not much else.

that year he had to shoulder the scoring load with a hobbled c-webb. he had some pretty numbers but was never a serious candidate. and was an epic flop in the playoffs that season and for much of his career. which made his bench contributions to the mavericks team, a rival of his for years, somewhat ironic because he was very timely with his shooting. i never ever said gallo even reached that level. but at his peak he could be that type of player. it's not the inconceivable.

but, yeah. you're probably right.

popo85
05-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Imo Wilson Chandler when healthy is the better player...

naps
05-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Why? He's nothing more a role player. He was overrated in NY and now people are realizing his real value. He shouldn't be blamed.

blastmasta26
05-14-2012, 08:34 PM
Again,who is trying to cement Gallo as a failure, or a one trick pony?

Just saying that there is not a Nuggets player more to blame because of his poor performance for Denver's playoff loss to the Lakers than Danilo.

And just so you know, I'm of Italian decent, and I really wanted Danilo to carry his weight in that series, especially as I also hate the Lakers.

But Gallinari was just horrific throughout the series.

Oh, I don't know, maybe the post I quoted? :shrug:

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Imo Wilson Chandler when healthy is the better player...

I've always said Wilson Chandler is better than Gallo.

NYtilIdie
05-14-2012, 08:59 PM
Gallo's not a star? When he played for the Knicks you'd a thought otherwise with how much people were riding his dick.

Fact is he wasn't that great to begin with, just really over-hyped.

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 09:02 PM
People probably just hating because they don't have the stallion galloping down the court for them.

ROOOFLLL at the Chandler is better than Gallo posts. Chandler is a 5th option on an average team.

Gallo = efficiency + defense.

Keep him at around 22% USG, and he'll beast. He's yet to show that he can handle a larger workload.

thekmp211
05-14-2012, 09:04 PM
kukoc is actually not a bad comp either. he was a much better play maker for himself and other though, gallo is not a good passer.

somewhere between peja/kukoc. a poor mans rashard lewis perhaps. they are all cut from the same mold. but he has to stay healthy.

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 09:04 PM
Yeah, let's overreact because a 23 year old had a poor series playing with a foot and thumb injury against the Lakers. C'mon now. I'm the first to admit that he was disappointing in this series with the exception of maybe one or two games. Game 7 he was straight up garbage. But he's extremely young, and has so much room to improve.

His jumper was much more consistent last year and the year prior. He has the stroke, but just seemed to have an inconsistency issue this year. That's fixable.

He's a very efficient scorer, as he can get to the line a good 5-7 times per game and he is not a bad rebounder either. He is also an underrated passer and isn't a ball stopper. He looks for the open man and he plays within the offense, even when he's off. And people think his defense is poor, which is just false because he's a good defender according to most defensive metrics. He has good length and underrated quickness and footwork. But he did have times where he just looked exhausted this year, but I attribute that to him suffering two injuries this year and the condensed season.

He's still a fringed top 10 SF and a good third option. He's a good defender, shooter, penetrator, and defender, all while being efficient and playing within the team's offense. He's not going to be a superstar but he has a very high ceiling. No need to overreact to one playoff series.

phoenix_bladen
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
well his 2nd season he came out with a blast and he looked like he had star potential

but if u look at his stats for the past 3 years they're almost identical i mean.. has he really improved that much ?

he still takes too many 3's in my opinion

he can take the next level but will he ? only time will tell

llemon
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
Yeah, let's overreact because a 23 year old had a poor series playing with a foot and thumb injury against the Lakers. C'mon now. I'm the first to admit that he was disappointing in this series with the exception of maybe one or two games. Game 7 he was straight up garbage. But he's extremely young, and has so much room to improve.

His jumper was much more consistent last year and the year prior. He has the stroke, but just seemed to have an inconsistency issue this year. That's fixable.

He's a very efficient scorer, as he can get to the line a good 5-7 times per game and he is not a bad rebounder either. He is also an underrated passer and isn't a ball stopper. He looks for the open man and he plays within the offense, even when he's off. And people think his defense is poor, which is just false because he's a good defender according to most defensive metrics. He has good length and underrated quickness and footwork. But he did have times where he just looked exhausted this year, but I attribute that to him suffering two injuries this year and the condensed season.

He's still a fringed top 10 SF and a good third option. He's a good defender, shooter, penetrator, and defender, all while being efficient and playing within the team's offense. He's not going to be a superstar but he has a very high ceiling. No need to overreact to one playoff series.

Again, just answer the question I asked in the OP.

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Again, just answer the question I asked in the OP.

Why? It's a stupid question. He's not a superstar who's supposed to be carrying the team. That's why.

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 09:18 PM
Again, just answer the question I asked in the OP.
You seem awfully sour.

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
People probably just hating because they don't have the stallion galloping down the court for them.

ROOOFLLL at the Chandler is better than Gallo posts. Chandler is a 5th option on an average team.

Gallo = efficiency + defense.

Keep him at around 22% USG, and he'll beast. He's yet to show that he can handle a larger workload.

Efficiency? He shot under 42% from the field these past two season, that's putrid. I think that alone precludes him from being called efficient.

Chandler is a better rebounder and defender than Gallo. He can also play 3 positions.

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 09:28 PM
Efficiency? He shot under 42% from the field these past two season, that's putrid. I think that alone precludes him from being called efficient.

Chandler is a better rebounder and defender than Gallo. He can also play 3 positions.
You know nothing about efficiency if you're still using FG%.

The goods
05-14-2012, 09:29 PM
6ft10 shoots like a guard, rebounds like a guard, and flops like a miami heat.....Go back to Italy!!! Cant stand this guy, NY took so long to part with him in the Melo deal, I dont get it, talented player who hinders your chances of playing championship basketball, too soft and one dimensional.....

HahahahHahahaha the first part of that was slower funny.

beasted86
05-14-2012, 09:32 PM
Efficiency? He shot under 42% from the field these past two season, that's putrid. I think that alone precludes him from being called efficient.

Chandler is a better rebounder and defender than Gallo. He can also play 3 positions.

Agreed on all accounts here.

popo85
05-14-2012, 09:32 PM
Gallo can't rebound for his size, is soft, im not saying Chandlers a star but his all round game is better.

llemon
05-14-2012, 09:32 PM
You seem awfully sour.

And you seem to not want to answer the question, which I understand, because I am correct and you have nothing that can dispute the fact that I am correct.

Is that the description of 'sour'?

Mudvayne91
05-14-2012, 09:34 PM
Imo Wilson Chandler when healthy is the better player...

IDK about that man. I like them both, but even if you want to dub Chandler as a better shooter, which is arguable, Gallo is better in rebounding, defense, FTs and is better at taking it to the basket.

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 09:37 PM
You know nothing about efficiency if you're still using FG%.

He's 9th in TS%, 25th in eFG% (among SFs playing in at least 30 games and averaging at least 20 mpg). I don't think FG% is an excellent measurement, but its not nothing, and I think that when your FG% is a putrid 41.4% you're precluded from being called super efficient.

Mudvayne91
05-14-2012, 09:38 PM
Gallo can't rebound for his size, is soft, im not saying Chandlers a star but his all round game is better.

How do you figure? He's usually on the perimeter whether it be on defense or offense. He averaged 5 rebounds in the Lakers series, which isn't awful by any means. He's not a center. He isn't in the paint consistently to rack up 10+ rebounds a game.

popo85
05-14-2012, 09:40 PM
IDK about that man. I like them both, but even if you want to dub Chandler as a better shooter, which is arguable, Gallo is better in rebounding, defense, FTs and is better at taking it to the basket.

The potential for Gallo is greater then Chandler's but for a 23rd pick he's done pretty well so far...

tp13baby
05-14-2012, 09:43 PM
He's a starter at best. I like him a lot though. Take Stuckey for him Denver. :cool:

ewww.

Punk
05-14-2012, 09:48 PM
It's pretty simple, he's not a Knick. He will not get the heat anyone gives our players including our fans.

Gallo was the biggest inconsistent player on the team which is why the trade happened, I think we went 12-17 after the 8 game win streak in the Amare era and he got no heat for his consistent play where he averaged 20ppg in 5 games and went down to 13 in the next 5.

I don't personally like how he's being used in Denver this season. He needs someone to really open the floor and until McGee becomes a legit offensive low post player like Nene, he'll probably struggle like that more often. People view him as the face of the team with Ty, so he will get the most attention from defense.

llemon
05-14-2012, 09:49 PM
IDK about that man. I like them both, but even if you want to dub Chandler as a better shooter, which is arguable, Gallo is better in rebounding, defense, FTs and is better at taking it to the basket.

Lawdie, Lawdie, Lawdie. What makes you believe ANY of your claims?

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 09:53 PM
He's 9th in TS%, 25th in eFG% (among SFs playing in at least 30 games and averaging at least 20 mpg). I don't think FG% is an excellent measurement, but its not nothing, and I think that when your FG% is a putrid 41.4% you're precluded from being called super efficient.
He had a great TS% the last two years and this year he had a great TS% that plummetted because of a couple poor games that he had due to returning from injury. A guy 9th in the league in TS% is pretty efficient I'd say.

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 09:53 PM
It's pretty simple, he's not a Knick. He will not get the heat anyone gives our players including our fans.

Gallo was the biggest inconsistent player on the team which is why the trade happened, I think we went 12-17 after the 8 game win streak in the Amare era and he got no heat for his consistent play where he averaged 20ppg in 5 games and went down to 13 in the next 5.

I don't personally like how he's being used in Denver this season. He needs someone to really open the floor and until McGee becomes a legit offensive low post player like Nene, he'll probably struggle like that more often. People view him as the face of the team with Ty, so he will get the most attention from defense.

THAT'S why the trade happened? Because Gallo was inconsistent? Nothing to do with that Melo guy or anything?

thekmp211
05-14-2012, 09:53 PM
Agreed on all accounts here.

not going to follow up your silly comment regarding my assessment?

thekmp211
05-14-2012, 09:55 PM
He had a great TS% the last two years and this year he had a great TS% that plummetted because of a couple poor games that he had due to returning from injury. A guy 9th in the league in TS% is pretty efficient I'd say.

so here we have excuses for poor shooting, and yet the rondo thread it's a players achilles heel. and gallo plays to shoot, unlike rondo. it seems a bit inconsistent.

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 10:02 PM
so here we have excuses for poor shooting, and yet the rondo thread it's a players achilles heel. and gallo plays to shoot, unlike rondo. it seems a bit inconsistent.
Not really excuses. Just a legit reason. He still had a very good TS% this year and got to the line a fair amount and hit them at a good rate.

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 10:03 PM
He had a great TS% the last two years and this year he had a great TS% that plummetted because of a couple poor games that he had due to returning from injury. A guy 9th in the league in TS% is pretty efficient I'd say.

He's 9th in the league among SFs. He isn't top 40 league wise. What about eFG%, he's 25th among SFs.

thekmp211
05-14-2012, 10:04 PM
Not really excuses. Just a legit reason. He still had a very good TS% this year and got to the line a fair amount and hit them at a good rate.

okay. but again i emphasize the subjective nature of how you are using the statistic. tend to agree with you.

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 10:08 PM
And you seem to not want to answer the question, which I understand, because I am correct and you have nothing that can dispute the fact that I am correct.

Is that the description of 'sour'?
You seem sour even for a lemon.

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 10:08 PM
He's 9th in the league among SFs. He isn't top 40 league wise. What about eFG%, he's 25th among SFs.
Well eFG% doesn't take into account FT's. A good portion of Gallo's points come from the line.

Gallo was 18th overall in the league last year in TS% and like 60th league wide the year prior. In a shortened, injury riddled season, I don't think you annoint him inefficient. He's proven to be an efficient scorer and even in his down year he wasn't inefficient at all.

Mudvayne91
05-14-2012, 10:18 PM
Lawdie, Lawdie, Lawdie. What makes you believe ANY of your claims?

IDK, maybe the fact that I've watched both of them play for the Nuggets the last two years? The stats that have defended my arguments in a Nugget uniform? I'll admit Chandler does average almost a rebound more than Gallo, but in my defense, Gallo has been the better shooter.

llemon
05-14-2012, 10:20 PM
You seem sour even for a lemon.

Sure kid. Yet still no answer. That would make you very unintelligent and full of crap, even for a 'hustla'.

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 10:20 PM
Gallo, offensively, is an incredibly inefficient shooter. He is a chucker with poor shot selection who really isn't a very talented shooter. He is an average 3 point shooter. His one saving grace is that he flo....gets to the line a lot and hits a good portion of his free throws.

AddiX
05-14-2012, 10:22 PM
I miss gallo amd Chandler in ny, its to bad mike d couldn't develop either of them, you coupd definitely see there potential, and had they had better coaching, who knows, they may still be in ny.

My problem with both players is both are incredibly inconsistent scorers. Gallo seems either hot or cold, never in between, and for some reason, I feel like both players miss wide open threes way to often.

setman2000
05-14-2012, 10:23 PM
Starting next year he's making over $10 million/per - he better F'n improve as a player!

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 10:27 PM
Sure kid. Yet still no answer. That would make you very unintelligent and full of crap, even for a 'hustla'.
At least I'm not the one that's full of seeds.

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 10:29 PM
Gallo, offensively, is an incredibly inefficient shooter. He is a chucker with poor shot selection who really isn't a very talented shooter. He is an average 3 point shooter. His one saving grace is that he flo....gets to the line a lot and hits a good portion of his free throws.

How can you be an inefficient shooter? He's an efficient offensive player. He had his lowest 3P% of his career this year, so I'd take that with a grain of salt.

Even in this down year, Gallo's synergy numbers kick ***.

He's rated 79th in the league in Points Per Possession at .97.
He averaged .86 PPP on iso's, ranked 45th in the league.
He averaged 1.01 PPP on Pick and Rolls, ranked SEVENTH overall in the league.
And he averaged 1.04 PPP on spotups, which is 85th in the league.

Synergy also has him as an average to above average defender, especially in iso and P&R situations.

llemon
05-14-2012, 10:29 PM
At least I'm not the one that's full of seeds.

Agreed. We all know what you are full of. And it ain't seeds.

Sactown
05-14-2012, 10:30 PM
The positive thing about Gallo is he's improved every season in a certain aspect
His PER has pretty much consistently improved every season
His DRtg has improved significantly since coming to Denver
His ORtg has taken a hit since coming to Denver, and that probably has to do with adjusting to a new team, and having so many weapons on that team
He has a solid TS% it has dropped a bit, but probably has something to do with his increased role and him becoming relevant
His AST% has increased significantly in this up coming season
His TRB% Increased until this year where it dropped off a bit
and last seasons playoffs he hit the 3 at a very high percentage. He just had a bad series, and I expect him to improve next seasno.

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 10:33 PM
Agreed. We all know what you are full of. And it ain't seeds.
I'm full of blood, and various types of organic tissues. Not very hard to guess.

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 10:35 PM
How can you be an inefficient shooter? He's an efficient offensive player. He had his lowest 3P% of his career this year, so I'd take that with a grain of salt.

Even in this down year, Gallo's synergy numbers kick ***.

He's rated 79th in the league in Points Per Possession at .97.
He averaged .86 PPP on iso's, ranked 45th in the league.
He averaged 1.01 PPP on Pick and Rolls, ranked SEVENTH overall in the league.
And he averaged 1.04 PPP on spotups, which is 85th in the league.

Synergy also has him as an average to above average defender, especially in iso and P&R situations.
Not to mention that he's top 25 in ORtg, even with guys with like USG's less than 15 on that list. That's more or less the clearest indicator of offensive efficiency. Encompassing of all aspects of offense.

llemon
05-14-2012, 10:36 PM
The positive thing about Gallo is he's improved every season in a certain aspect
His PER has pretty much consistently improved every season
His DRtg has improved significantly since coming to Denver
His ORtg has taken a hit since coming to Denver, and that probably has to do with adjusting to a new team, and having so many weapons on that team
He has a solid TS% it has dropped a bit, but probably has something to do with his increased role and him becoming relevant
His AST% has increased significantly in this up coming season
His TRB% Increased until this year where it dropped off a bit
and last seasons playoffs he hit the 3 at a very high percentage. He just had a bad series, and I expect him to improve next seasno.

That's all very nice.

But why hasn't Danilo's horrific performance vs. the Lakers in this years playoffs been mentioned at all.

Let's face it, Gallo cost the Nuggets a trip to the 2nd round.

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 10:41 PM
How can you be an inefficient shooter? He's an efficient offensive player.

You can be an inefficient shooter when you don't hit your shots from the field efficiently.




He had his lowest 3P% of his career this year, so I'd take that with a grain of salt.


Perhaps.



Even in this down year, Gallo's synergy numbers kick ***.

He's rated 79th in the league in Points Per Possession at .97.
He averaged .86 PPP on iso's, ranked 45th in the league.
He averaged 1.01 PPP on Pick and Rolls, ranked SEVENTH overall in the league.
And he averaged 1.04 PPP on spotups, which is 85th in the league.

Don't have synergy can't look at the numbers. I don't think you're lying, in fact I know you're not, but it would be nice to see the numbers.



Synergy also has him as an average to above average defender, especially in iso and P&R situations.

I've heard bad things about synergy's defensive stats.

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 10:43 PM
You can be an inefficient shooter when you don't hit your shots from the field efficiently.





Perhaps.



Don't have synergy can't look at the numbers. I don't think you're lying, in fact I know you're not, but it would be nice to see the numbers.




I've heard bad things about synergy's defensive stats.
Go to http://www.mysynergysports.com/

Type in Gallo's name. A box will pop up with his name. Click on it.

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 10:46 PM
Go to http://www.mysynergysports.com/

Type in Gallo's name. A box will pop up with his name. Click on it.

Thanks, I didn't know synergy offered anything for free.

Hustla23
05-14-2012, 10:49 PM
Thanks, I didn't know synergy offered anything for free.
It's not free. You're now a registered member of the Gallinari super lover fan club.

blastmasta26
05-14-2012, 10:52 PM
It's not free. You're now a registered member of the Gallinari super lover fan club.

:laugh2: Time for me to join.

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 10:59 PM
It's not free. You're now a registered member of the Gallinari super lover fan club.

:laugh2: I don't think so. The fact that he is one of the league biggest floppers alone precludes me for being in the Gallo super lover fan club. Watching him play for 2 seasons worth of games also prevents me from joining this Gallo fan club.


His fg% and 3p% are actually lower on synergy. PPP is nice, but I don't really know what a good PPP number is or how good Gallinari's PPP is relative to the rest of the league.

roshan3ai
05-14-2012, 11:01 PM
:laugh2: I don't think so. The fact that he is one of the league biggest floppers alone precludes me for being in the Gallo super lover fan club. Watching him play for 2 seasons worth of games also prevents me from joining this Gallo fan club.


His fg% and 3p% are actually lower on synergy. PPP is nice, but I don't really know what a good PPP number is or how good Gallinari's PPP is relative to the rest of the league.

It shows his rank next to his PPP. He rankings are very good compared to the rest of the league.

thekmp211
05-14-2012, 11:11 PM
defensive rating is a pretty awful stat. gallo is a decent defender, but he can be slow on the perimeter and has lapses like almost all nba players.

a ppp of around 1 is good, so his is pretty impressive. it's basically saying you are scoring every other possession. not a bad stat. i'd like to see him push something like 45/40/85 for a full season (fg/3pt/ft). the poor mans 50/40/90. he could do that.

smood999
05-14-2012, 11:17 PM
this sounds like the knick forum a couple yrs ago...the chandler vs gallo debate even came up briefly lol

knicksfan42
05-14-2012, 11:22 PM
It shows his rank next to his PPP. He rankings are very good compared to the rest of the league.

Don't see it. Under stats its: min, pts, ppp, oreb.

meloman1592
05-14-2012, 11:37 PM
but he's better than melo.....

Rain City
05-14-2012, 11:54 PM
ive been a pretty big gallo basher and didnt hesitate to rip him when the opportunity presented itself, i will give him credit for trying to develop, he was only an outside shooter his rookie year but he has tried more and more to be aggressive but he is pretty outta control slashing to the hoop and trying to be more aggressive has only made him injury prone.

And 23 in the NBA you should be hitting your stride, especially if your 4yrs deep, the still developing excuse is gone. He is a very good euro player who was billed for nba stardom bc D'antoni was a**buddies with his pops and thought he'd be a perfect fit for his video game philosophy style of basketball.

Bottom line, Gallo doesnt cut the mustard, chandler or jordan hamilton should be starting next year. I will put him on the NBA All-Flop team tho, he has earned that.

beasted86
05-14-2012, 11:59 PM
not going to follow up your silly comment regarding my assessment?

What assessment? You stated your opinion, twice.

BklynKnicks3
05-15-2012, 12:05 AM
melo > chandler/gallo X10

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 12:14 AM
What assessment? You stated your opinion, twice.

i mean you basically called out my opinion for being completely uninformed. and in the process led me to wonder if you in fact watched those teams with any regularity.

beasted86
05-15-2012, 12:20 AM
i mean you basically called out my opinion for being completely uninformed. and in the process led me to wonder if you in fact watched those teams with any regularity.

Like I said, you stated your opinion twice, and have done it a couple more times thereafter. It would be nice if you actually broke down the statistical differences between the two to support your opinion (but I assure you, that's a near impossibility)... instead you basically shrugged off the facts and stated Peja and Danillo aren't that far apart in skills and impact.

So by you taking that stance, either it seems you are a newer fan who only watched the tail end of Peja's career, or you're just stubborn in your praise/support of Gallinari that you overlook the large gap.

ewing
05-15-2012, 12:26 AM
Because we in NYC already knew what his ceiling is... nice no. 3/4 on a good team. If he is your star... you're in trouble.


Thats not true. Danillo is good enough to be a starter on a very good team. Not a go to guy but a starter- sure

NoahH
05-15-2012, 12:26 AM
He's not a star. At best he should be a second option, but probably a third.

010957
05-15-2012, 12:31 AM
Too many people who don't really know what they are talknig about are saying he is a role player at best.

Yeh he didn't really perform in the playoffs, but if you saw him before his injury mid way through the season he was playing some amazing 'all star' basket. As a response to this thread, I don't think gallanari deserves much heat at all. If you watched gallanari play, minus the last game he was playing very well defensively on kobe, and was playing quite well as an all-rounder. He didn't score 30pts, which he has proven he can do, but he's only 23, most players get into their peaks at 28, so in other words.

"give the guy a break"

beasted86
05-15-2012, 12:31 AM
Thats not true. Danillo is good enough to be a starter on a very good team. Not a go to guy but a starter- sure

He said star, not starter.

He basically agrees with you.

Sadds The Gr8
05-15-2012, 12:37 AM
one of the most overrated players in the league IMO.

Rego247
05-15-2012, 01:00 AM
one of the most overrated players in the league IMO.

who signed a nice fat contract extension.

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 01:01 AM
Like I said, you stated your opinion twice, and have done it a couple more times thereafter. It would be nice if you actually broke down the statistical differences between the two to support your opinion (but I assure you, that's a near impossibility)... instead you basically shrugged off the facts and stated Peja and Danillo aren't that far apart in skills and impact.

So by you taking that stance, either it seems you are a newer fan who only watched the tail end of Peja's career, or you're just stubborn in your praise/support of Gallinari that you overlook the large gap.

wow, you're really not too good at this.

i was evaluating gallo's potential, his ceiling.

statistics? what do you want? i've already identified peja as a clearly better shooter. and quantified the differences in their games.

i'm not praising gallo at all. he played like crap this season. but he was hurt, and he's a 6'10 perimeter player with a good stroke. and anyone who watched both players could tell you gallo is more athletic, a better dribble penetrator and a better defender. both are oversized small forwards who had the height but lacked the toughness to play the 4, even for small stretches.

if you are too scared to make assessments without a statistical crutch, that's on you. we both know the difference between their numbers. they have been posted here by numerous other people and are one click away on basketballreference, a website i'm sure you are familiar with. why do i need to post them to validate myself?

the irony is i'm nearly positive that you didn't watch peja at all. sounds like you pulled up a BBR comparison and decided that my statement must be bogus based on some TS% discrepencies. he was a great shooter, on an incredibly loaded team. what else about the great peja stojakovic am i missing, exactly? he is as one dimensional as players get.

will gallo ever be as effective as him as a starter? who the hell knows. the rest of his game at this point doesn't make up for the discrepency in scoring efficiency. but if gallo stays healthy, he can raise his shooting some and provide more than peja did in other facets of the game. this is all clear from my first posts, but apparently as soon as two names get mentioned in a post the ignorant assumption is that i am equating the quality of the players. i'm projecting what a healthy, motivated gallo could do for a team.

do you remember the dynamics of the mvp race that year? or the that kings team? his place on it and the perception of his legacy as a player? do you know of anyone who would refer to peja as an MVP candidate in any sense other than the most literal, nominal one? he was a fringe all star player at his absolute best, and frankly was probably overrated even then because he was so terrible at everything besides shooting. and he was a no name until his MIP season at the age of 24. gallo is 23.

but i'm not surprised that a stat acolyte like yourself would see his gorgeous percentages and retroactively deem him some sort of basketball god.

ewing
05-15-2012, 01:07 AM
He said star, not starter.

He basically agrees with you.


Thanks, cant read :facepalm:

Gritz
05-15-2012, 01:18 AM
wow, you're really not too good at this.

i was evaluating gallo's potential, his ceiling.

statistics? what do you want? i've already identified peja as a clearly better shooter. and quantified the differences in their games.

i'm not praising gallo at all. he played like crap this season. but he was hurt, and he's a 6'10 perimeter player with a good stroke. and anyone who watched both players could tell you gallo is more athletic, a better dribble penetrator and a better defender. both are oversized small forwards who had the height but lacked the toughness to play the 4, even for small stretches.

if you are too scared to make assessments without a statistical crutch, that's on you. we both know the difference between their numbers. they have been posted here by numerous other people and are one click away on basketballreference, a website i'm sure you are familiar with. why do i need to post them to validate myself?

the irony is i'm nearly positive that you didn't watch peja at all. sounds like you pulled up a BBR comparison and decided that my statement must be bogus based on some TS% discrepencies. he was a great shooter, on an incredibly loaded team. what else about the great peja stojakovic am i missing, exactly? he is as one dimensional as players get.

will gallo ever be as effective as him as a starter? who the hell knows. the rest of his game at this point doesn't make up for the discrepency in scoring efficiency. but if gallo stays healthy, he can raise his shooting some and provide more than peja did in other facets of the game. this is all clear from my first posts, but apparently as soon as two names get mentioned in a post the ignorant assumption is that i am equating the quality of the players. i'm projecting what a healthy, motivated gallo could do for a team.

do you remember the dynamics of the mvp race that year? or the that kings team? his place on it and the perception of his legacy as a player? do you know of anyone who would refer to peja as an MVP candidate in any sense other than the most literal, nominal one? he was a fringe all star player at his absolute best, and frankly was probably overrated even then because he was so terrible at everything besides shooting. and he was a no name until his MIP season at the age of 24. gallo is 23.

but i'm not surprised that a stat acolyte like yourself would see his gorgeous percentages and retroactively deem him some sort of basketball god.

lol makes no sense to write this much in a sports forum

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 01:22 AM
lol makes no sense to write this much in a sports forum

... what is with some people. it's 5 paragraphs and about 60 seconds of reading. don't like it? don't read it. i'll be sure to go comb through your history and pick apart your posting habits.

what really makes no sense is posting a literally meaningless comment, on a sports thread. i feel like sports posts in a sports forum is standard. but again, brilliant observation. you'd fit right in here.

beasted86
05-15-2012, 01:33 AM
You are talking about Gallo's ceiling? Do you have the winning lotto numbers for April 9th 2014?

Listen, like I said initially I'm not trying to bait or sound like a douche, but I hope you see the holes in your logic. Gallinari is 23 in his 4th NBA season. Peja at 23 in only his 3rd season was already so much better than Gallo is now. I'm not going to go into the stats because they speak for themselves.

Anyway my point was ( and I hope at the very least you can agree with this) Gallinari is not on pace with Peja's career so far, so there is no indication other than mere opinion to support they are the same players. And just because a player has a similar skillset and weaknesses doesn't make them automatically comparable. It's like me comparing Brandon Jennings and Iverson just because they are streaky 6'0" scorers. Comparing Gallinari and Peja is just a moronic as the guys who compare David Lee and Kevin Love. Just because they are both good players with similar skillsets doesn't mean that talent level and impact doesn't have a huge gap.

beasted86
05-15-2012, 01:37 AM
lol makes no sense to write this much in a sports forum

You are right. I skimmed through most of it because it's mostly just opinion.

You'd think that long of a post would at least include some facts and analysis.

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 01:43 AM
You are talking about Gallo's ceiling? Do you have the winning lotto numbers for April 9th 2014?

Listen, like I said initially I'm not trying to bait or sound like a douche, but I hope you see the holes in your logic. Gallinari is 23 in his 4th NBA season. Peja at 23 in only his 3rd season was already so much better than Gallo is now. I'm not going to go into the stats because they speak for themselves.

Anyway my point was ( and I hope at the very least you can agree with this) Gallinari is not on pace with Peja's career, so there is no indication other than mere opinion to support they are the same players. And just because a player has a similar skillset and weaknesses doesn't make them automatically comparable. It's like me comparing Brandon Jennings and Iverson just because they are streaky 6'0" scorers. Comparing Gallinari and Peja is just a moronic as the guys who compare David Lee and Kevin Love. Just because they are both good players with similar skillsets doesn't mean that talent level and impact doesn't have a huge gap.

right. jennings and iverson share no similarities at all. neither do love and lee. :eyebrow:

what is hysterical is that i have literally said in every one of my posts that they are not comparably efficient at this stage. i also didn't say they were the same player. gallo is being evaluated in the thread. i chose a player with a SIMILAR (do you know what that word means) physical make up to use as a point of reference. a point of reference for some things he should improve on. i.e ... his shooting. like peja. the rest of my observations are well-known skills of gallo dating back to scouting reports on him in europe. he's always been surprisingly versatile for his size. that's the entirety of what i was trying to say.

and again. i'd love to hear your perspective on "mvp candidate" peja stojakovic from the year it was happening. but i don't think you were around to form said opinions at the time. i think you need to read a little more carefully before calling people out, because i'm not saying what you think i'm saying.

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 01:44 AM
You are right. I skimmed through most of it because it's mostly just opinion.

You'd think that long of a post would at least include some facts and analysis.

right. and you have provided so much evidence here. so many facts.

you're just trolling pal.

M.Bibby2.0
05-15-2012, 01:56 AM
right. jennings and iverson share no similarities at all. neither do love and lee. :eyebrow:

what is hysterical is that i have literally said in every one of my posts that they are not comparably efficient at this stage. i also didn't say they were the same player. gallo is being evaluated in the thread. i chose a player with a SIMILAR (do you know what that word means) physical make up to use as a point of reference. a point of reference for some things he should improve on. i.e ... his shooting. like peja. the rest of my observations are well-known skills of gallo dating back to scouting reports on him in europe. he's always been surprisingly versatile for his size. that's the entirety of what i was trying to say.

and again. i'd love to hear your perspective on "mvp candidate" peja stojakovic from the year it was happening. but i don't think you were around to form said opinions at the time. i think you need to read a little more carefully before calling people out, because i'm not saying what you think i'm saying.

I think Peja was a legitimate MVP candidate in 04:

In 200304, Stojaković was again selected as an All-Star, and finished second in the league in scoring with a career-high 24.2 ppg. He finished fourth in MVP voting and was voted on to the All-NBA 2nd Team. He also led the NBA in free-throw percentage (.933) and three-pointers made for the season (240).

Straight from Wikipedia but it is accurate. That was the season Webber was recovering from knee surgery, the kings had the best record until webber returned and played last 23 games, where he struggled (0.413 FG%), and the Kings lost chemistry and dropped to fourth, and KG got MVP.

beasted86
05-15-2012, 02:00 AM
right. jennings and iverson share no similarities at all. neither do love and lee. :eyebrow:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your whole theme in this thread and the point you were trying to make. I guess I am thinking too far into the details.

You seem to think a player with a similar skillset can be compared regardless of the talent difference. I'd personally think you can't even compare Jennings and Iverson even if they are the same mold of strengths and weaknesses... while you obviously think it is comparison that could be made. Anyway... what threw me off this whole time is this "ceiling" talk and "a more athletic Peja". It made/makes it sound like you think Gallo is on pace with Peja's career so far and can be a better player.

Anyway, I disagree. That's it. I'm not going to go in a ring of sarcastic jabs that you seem to want to go into. Later.

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 02:05 AM
^ cool. i don't. but unlike some here i'm not going to berate your opinion on the matter.

KG was the mvp that year from day one. frankly there is no comparing the total impact of those two players. none.

duncan and a prime jermaine oneal came in second and third, EASILY better than peja.

stojakovic was 4th, with his peak year and a deep kings team that the league fell in love with.

was he better than kobe bryant and shaq, the two guys finishing behind him in voting?

or even ben wallace, jason kidd and a certain lebron james? also lower in voting. why don't you guys tell me.

@beasted, i wasn't even engaging you until you told me i didn't watch teams that, actually, you didn't watch. but LOL yeah i'm done too point made. gallo is good.

M.Bibby2.0
05-15-2012, 02:22 AM
^ cool. i don't. but unlike some here i'm not going to berate your opinion on the matter.

KG was the mvp that year from day one. frankly there is no comparing the total impact of those two players. none.

duncan and a prime jermaine oneal came in second and third, EASILY better than peja.

stojakovic was 4th, with his peak year and a deep kings team that the league fell in love with.

was he better than kobe bryant and shaq, the two guys finishing behind him in voting?

or even ben wallace, jason kidd and a certain lebron james? also lower in voting. why don't you guys tell me.

LeBron is great and all but considering he was in high school in 03-04, I wouldn't put him ahead of peja in the MVP race. Secondly, I'm not sure Ben Wallace was mvp of his own team yet alone the league, and finally Kidds Nets and there 47-35 record wasn't comparable to a 55 win Kings team. We're not talking about the best player in the league, but mvp which factors in team success and expectations. You view peja as just a one dimensional scorer but in his prime he wasn't bad at everything else.

His EWA tied with duncun for 3rd. was 12th in PER (ahead of Jermaine), and 3rd in TS%.

The reason he was a top 5 candidate was that he was the best player on the best team for a large portion of the season. Frankly, with Webber out the Kings were expected to fall from the top and the exact opposite happened. It only builds his case that he was the leagues second leading scorer.

M.Bibby2.0
05-15-2012, 02:28 AM
Put it this way, Rose was not a top 3 player (arguably not top 5) and got MVP last year, for the same reason Peja could finish 4th without being a top 5 player.

Regardless, a deadly shooter like Peja would be more valuable to certain teams then Gallo, that much is certain.

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 12:09 PM
LeBron is great and all but considering he was in high school in 03-04, I wouldn't put him ahead of peja in the MVP race. Secondly, I'm not sure Ben Wallace was mvp of his own team yet alone the league, and finally Kidds Nets and there 47-35 record wasn't comparable to a 55 win Kings team. We're not talking about the best player in the league, but mvp which factors in team success and expectations. You view peja as just a one dimensional scorer but in his prime he wasn't bad at everything else.

His EWA tied with duncun for 3rd. was 12th in PER (ahead of Jermaine), and 3rd in TS%.

The reason he was a top 5 candidate was that he was the best player on the best team for a large portion of the season. Frankly, with Webber out the Kings were expected to fall from the top and the exact opposite happened. It only builds his case that he was the leagues second leading scorer.

he was average at best at every other facet of the game. and i'd LOVE to use stats of all sorts to prove that but this thread isn't about stojakovic.

every guy i listed had a bigger impact on their teams success than peja, that year and through out their careers. his presence on that list sticks out like a sore thumb. he was a feel good story on every fans second favorite team in the league, and when they kept winning without webber their highest scorer started getting mvp buzz.

i don't ever think gallinari will have a single season like that. but that one season doesn't change what peja was as a player and to say he was an MVP candidate is quite misleading. it makes it seem like i'm saying gallo will place 4th in mvp voting. which is such a twist of words that i'm still mad beasted can't read better than a 6th grader. but whatever.

beasted86
05-15-2012, 12:23 PM
he was average at best at every other facet of the game. and i'd LOVE to use stats of all sorts to prove that but this thread isn't about stojakovic.

every guy i listed had a bigger impact on their teams success than peja, that year and through out their careers. his presence on that list sticks out like a sore thumb. he was a feel good story on every fans second favorite team in the league, and when they kept winning without webber their highest scorer started getting mvp buzz.

i don't ever think gallinari will have a single season like that. but that one season doesn't change what peja was as a player and to say he was an MVP candidate is quite misleading. it makes it seem like i'm saying gallo will place 4th in mvp voting. which is such a twist of words that i'm still mad beasted can't read better than a 6th grader. but whatever.


The way you post, the language you use, the false comparisons, the alarming use of your mere opinion to backup your posts... all of these factors show me you are not very old, and not very bright when it comes to discussing basketball. If I had to guess your probably no older than 19 and just started watching the league a few years ago.

If I wanted to I could make a multiple paragraph essay with statistics and video clips to backup just how good and multifaceted Peja's game was, but because of the way you post I can tell I'd be totally wasting my time because you're an immature fool who doesn't know anything about the game and couldn't muster an even half decent in-depth rebuttal. I'm still shaking my head that you bought into Jennings & Iverson as being comparable.

Anyway, good day. And I'd prefer if you didn't mention my username in any of your posts unless you are directly responding to me.

chi-townlove1
05-15-2012, 12:25 PM
I think he has top 10 player in league potential tbh

raiderposting
05-15-2012, 12:35 PM
I think he has top 10 player in league potential tbh

:laugh:

Stinkyoutsider
05-15-2012, 12:35 PM
No responsibility for him because he's not a star player. Probably labeled as a 3 point specialist? Mike Miller would probably get the same amount of attention if he played in Denver...

Sactown
05-15-2012, 12:39 PM
LeBron is great and all but considering he was in high school in 03-04, I wouldn't put him ahead of peja in the MVP race. Secondly, I'm not sure Ben Wallace was mvp of his own team yet alone the league, and finally Kidds Nets and there 47-35 record wasn't comparable to a 55 win Kings team. We're not talking about the best player in the league, but mvp which factors in team success and expectations. You view peja as just a one dimensional scorer but in his prime he wasn't bad at everything else.

His EWA tied with duncun for 3rd. was 12th in PER (ahead of Jermaine), and 3rd in TS%.

The reason he was a top 5 candidate was that he was the best player on the best team for a large portion of the season. Frankly, with Webber out the Kings were expected to fall from the top and the exact opposite happened. It only builds his case that he was the leagues second leading scorer.

he was average at best at every other facet of the game. and i'd LOVE to use stats of all sorts to prove that but this thread isn't about stojakovic.

every guy i listed had a bigger impact on their teams success than peja, that year and through out their careers. his presence on that list sticks out like a sore thumb. he was a feel good story on every fans second favorite team in the league, and when they kept winning without webber their highest scorer started getting mvp buzz.

i don't ever think gallinari will have a single season like that. but that one season doesn't change what peja was as a player and to say he was an MVP candidate is quite misleading. it makes it seem like i'm saying gallo will place 4th in mvp voting. which is such a twist of words that i'm still mad beasted can't read better than a 6th grader. but whatever. Peja in his prime moved without the ball about as well as anyone in the league, he was an underrated passer, an average defender, but he could shoot the lights out. He wasn't just a spot up shooter, he was able to create space and hit the midrange jumper. He was a legit MVP candidate

smith&wesson
05-15-2012, 12:51 PM
Denver needed wilson chandler.

Rain City
05-15-2012, 12:55 PM
i love the peja tangent this thread has taken, he was a friggin stud, miss him, played at a HOF level for a couple years, not going to make it but one of the most deadly shooters the league has ever seen.....I couldnt believe someone had the audacity to make a gallo and peja comparison, total disgrace to peja who was superior shooter and a little better in every other category.

Gallo is pretty much nicolas batum with a little less defense.

llemon
05-15-2012, 12:55 PM
Denver needed wilson chandler.

A healthy Chandler would have definitely helped

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 12:59 PM
The way you post, the language you use, the false comparisons, the alarming use of your mere opinion to backup your posts... all of these factors show me you are not very old, and not very bright when it comes to discussing basketball. If I had to guess your probably no older than 19 and just started watching the league a few years ago.

If I wanted to I could make a multiple paragraph essay with statistics and video clips to backup just how good and multifaceted Peja's game was, but because of the way you post I can tell I'd be totally wasting my time because you're an immature fool who doesn't know anything about the game and couldn't muster an even half decent in-depth rebuttal. I'm still shaking my head that you bought into Jennings & Iverson as being comparable.

Anyway, good day. And I'd prefer if you didn't mention my username in any of your posts unless you are directly responding to me.

you are like a pathological troll. fascinating. talk about projection. you're the one who still can't seem to comprehend a simple, nuanced comment and started the whole discussion by questioning my age, and motive. and continue to do so. all the while just cementing your status as a relatively new stat head who hasn't figured some basic things out about sports, or life for that matter. how about you don't parade around a sports forum like your interpretation of stats and basketball is the be all end all philosophy. don't worry beasted -- i will be sure to avoid even thinking about your posts if i can manage it. grow up.


Peja in his prime moved without the ball about as well as anyone in the league, he was an underrated passer, an average defender, but he could shoot the lights out. He wasn't just a spot up shooter, he was able to create space and hit the midrange jumper. He was a legit MVP candidate

look at that someone who knows how to communicate like an adult!

he was a really, really good offensive player. that whole team passed well under adelman. but that's one part of the game.

but do you really think he was having the same basketball impact as any of the other top ten candidates? or that he's in their league career-wise? he is also notorious for his playoff no-shows, including that season where he shot 38% from the field against minnesota.

this is silly. i mentioned one name as a possible bench mark for gallos career and now we're debating the MVP credentials of peja stojakovic. two big euros who can score. gallo needs to shooter better. sactown, am i crazy?

and would feelings be less hurt had i used a different name? rashard lewis? kukoc was thrown out there? hedo turkoglu? they all have facets of their game that are similar to gallo and represent examples of how he could be a good, even very good starting player with his current, well known and scouted skill set.

sep11ie
05-15-2012, 01:06 PM
4th option?

BallIsAll
05-15-2012, 03:00 PM
You all sound stupid. He's only 23 and was playing with a BROKEN FINGER. He came back because he wanted to not because he could. He also shitted on the lakers the first game he was the only nugget scoring. Half of you probably didn't watch a game other than game 7 of the series. Wait till next season to judge him.

KingPosey
05-15-2012, 04:55 PM
He had a great TS% the last two years and this year he had a great TS% that plummetted because of a couple poor games that he had due to returning from injury. A guy 9th in the league in TS% is pretty efficient I'd say.

Hes 9th among SF...So not very special.

KingPosey
05-15-2012, 05:00 PM
he was average at best at every other facet of the game. and i'd LOVE to use stats of all sorts to prove that but this thread isn't about stojakovic.

every guy i listed had a bigger impact on their teams success than peja, that year and through out their careers. his presence on that list sticks out like a sore thumb. he was a feel good story on every fans second favorite team in the league, and when they kept winning without webber their highest scorer started getting mvp buzz.

i don't ever think gallinari will have a single season like that. but that one season doesn't change what peja was as a player and to say he was an MVP candidate is quite misleading. it makes it seem like i'm saying gallo will place 4th in mvp voting. which is such a twist of words that i'm still mad beasted can't read better than a 6th grader. but whatever.

lol, Youre cracking me up with the posts man.

thekmp211
05-15-2012, 05:11 PM
lol, Youre cracking me up with the posts man.

i hope in a good way... i feel like i'm in the freaking twilight zone talking to some of these people..

nycericanguy
05-15-2012, 05:49 PM
I'm a big Gallo fan, but he did have a disappointing year, and he's starting to look a bit injury prone. In less than 1 year he's had 3 significant injuries with DEN already.

That being said he's still a top 10 SF. Efficient scorer, unselfish, good defender, good shooter & a good passer.

He needs to improve his rebounding and shooting % though, the only reason he is efficient right now is because he gets to the line alot and hits at an 88% clip. And I will say I think he gets to the line more than most because he flops alot.

Next year is going to be big for him, it will be his 5th season, time to make a significant jump, especially since he will be making $10m next year. I expect him to be at around 17/6/3 on 45% next year, if not, we may be looking at a guy that is just solid, but never takes the next step.

Donuts365
05-15-2012, 06:16 PM
I'm a big Gallo fan, but he did have a disappointing year, and he's starting to look a bit injury prone. In less than 1 year he's had 3 significant injuries with DEN already.

That being said he's still a top 10 SF. Efficient scorer, unselfish, good defender, good shooter & a good passer.

He needs to improve his rebounding and shooting % though, the only reason he is efficient right now is because he gets to the line alot and hits at an 88% clip. And I will say I think he gets to the line more than most because he flops alot.

Next year is going to be big for him, it will be his 5th season, time to make a significant jump, especially since he will be making $10m next year. I expect him to be at around 17/6/3 on 45% next year, if not, we may be looking at a guy that is just solid, but never takes the next step.

he doesnt have star potential make it to all star 1 or twice fair but hes just a upper level role player wilson chandler is a better player and should be main guy behind lewson

nycericanguy
05-15-2012, 06:22 PM
he doesnt have star potential make it to all star 1 or twice fair but hes just a upper level role player wilson chandler is a better player and should be main guy behind lewson

No he's not.

I watched them both for years, Chandler is even more injury prone than Gallo. And while their career numbers are basically identical, Gallo has been far more efficient and is younger.

thekmp211
05-16-2012, 12:54 AM
LeBron is great and all but considering he was in high school in 03-04, I wouldn't put him ahead of peja in the MVP race. Secondly, I'm not sure Ben Wallace was mvp of his own team yet alone the league, and finally Kidds Nets and there 47-35 record wasn't comparable to a 55 win Kings team. We're not talking about the best player in the league, but mvp which factors in team success and expectations. You view peja as just a one dimensional scorer but in his prime he wasn't bad at everything else.

His EWA tied with duncun for 3rd. was 12th in PER (ahead of Jermaine), and 3rd in TS%.

The reason he was a top 5 candidate was that he was the best player on the best team for a large portion of the season. Frankly, with Webber out the Kings were expected to fall from the top and the exact opposite happened. It only builds his case that he was the leagues second leading scorer.

jesus h. christ...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

that statistical "analysis" is pretty special too. i'll tell you what -- we can start two franchises in 2003-4. i'll take tim duncan, and you can have peja. or maybe i choose jermaine "i had a worse PER than peja this year" oneal. an elite two way big man that season, pretty much the closest thing to a constant on championship contenders.

actually, i'll take shaq instead. or ben wallace, the guy who checked him one one one (one on one!!!) in a championship win THAT year. maybe jason kidd, who took kerry kittles and jason collins to the finals twice. he might have won one with peja as a teammate. peja would have been crossing his fingers for lottery picks with those nets players as teammates year after year after year. kobe has five rings, so maybe i'll take him. the truth is i was always going to take KG, who did me the favor of actually literally obliterating peja and his teammates in reality in those playoffs. catch my drift hombre?

honestly the more i think about this MVP race the more egregious it is. he has no business being in the discussion with 6 hall of fame players in their primes (if you are a ben wallace hall believer as i am) even in his peak season. the only case this builds is that awards voting in the nba ranges from strange to outrageous depending on the story line. history has proven this particular case to be extremely strange. at least they got the name at the top of the ballot right.

THE MTL
05-16-2012, 01:36 PM
As a Knick fan, I noticed as Danilo expanded his game his shot got worse. During his rookie season, he was shooting like Novak wide-open shots were automatic. Now, he makes more off balance shots than wide open ones.

kobemelo
05-16-2012, 01:40 PM
Lmao, how did y'all manage to get 10 pages on Gallo. He is what he is, a crafty young guy. I don't know why he gets the label as a shooter (he's not at this point). He's a legit starter, and if he becomes more consistent can become an all star maybe more one day. That's all.

kobemelo
05-16-2012, 01:43 PM
No responsibility for him because he's not a star player. Probably labeled as a 3 point specialist? Mike Miller would probably get the same amount of attention if he played in Denver...

this is not true lol