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KnicksorBust
05-12-2012, 01:30 PM
Welcome to the 2012 NBA ReDraft voting process. The redraft is exactly how it sounds. The rosters of every NBA team are cleared and then drafted again from scratch. Posters from the site draft full rosters under a salary cap and then there is a voting process to make the playoffs. We are now in the playoffs and the head to head matchups have begun. Please remember to vote for the roster and write-up you believe would win a 7 game series and leave any of your personal preference for the real teams out of your decision. Thank you and enjoy the playoffs!

Wizards:
PG: Jose Calderon - Daniel Gibson - Gilbert Arenas
SG: Avery Bradley - Leandro Barbosa - Gilbert Arenas
SF: Wilson Chandler - Dominic McGuire - Avery Bradley
PF: Kevin Garnett - Jason Smith - Ivan Johnson
C: Andrew Bynum - Timofey Mosgov - Kevin Garnett

Knicks:
PG - Mario Chalmers (32)/Delonte West(16)
SG - Courtney Lee(32)/Delonte West(16)/Xavier Henry /Kelenna Azubuike
SF - Paul Pierce(38)/James Johnson(10)
PF - Dirk Nowitzki(38)/Josh McRoberts(10)
C - Brendan Haywood(26)/Kosta Koufos(18)/Jeremy Tyler(4)


Wizards Write-up:
First off, I would like to say welcome to all of the voters that make crowning a championship possible in these games. Today, your voting will crown an Eastern Conference Champion, whether it be my Wizards, or the Knicks. The Knicks have 2 players that have been there, done that. Both are amazing players. I also have an amazing duo, but mine is in the paint with KG and Bynum. Defensively for my team is where this game will be won. The question that you need to answer as a voter is this: ďWith the best defensive PF in the game covering Dirk Nowitzki, can Paul Pierce and the supporting cast of the Knicks beat the Wizards in a 7 game series?Ē. The question you must answer on the other side of the ball is this: ďHow much havoc can 2 of the best interior players in the league (Bynum and Garnett) cause on the weak interior defense of the Knicks?Ē. Below I will show you why both of these questions will have answers that favor my Wizards team.

Offensive Quick Hits:- Our biggest mismatch on this side of the ball is Bynum vs Haywood. Bynum throughout his career has dominated Brendan Haywood, in particular this past year when both were starters. Bynum scored 19, 17 and 23 against Haywood, at almost exactly a 50% clip. But, in only one of these games was he the top offensive option, so he didnít receive the amount of shots per game that he will average for us in this series. With this mismatch, the ball will be fed into Bynum on almost every possession, with him being able to dominate Haywood in the post and off of the glass (he avgd 15 rebounds per game against Haywood this season). Bynumís dominant post game against a weak player such as Haywood will also help to open up some of our perimeter shooters like Calderon and Barbosa. Bynum will most likely be double teamed a lot in this series, and when doubled he will be able to kick it out for an open shot. Bynum, who resurged himself this year, has been averaging about 19 PPG on 13 FGA. Considering Bynum will not have someone like Kobe taking away his FGA, Bynum should easily attempt between 17-22 FGA and with a lack lusted Brendan Haywood, Bynum should be able to get his shots. Another issue that can be a problem for the Knicks is the fact that Bynum will be able to draw more fouls now that he will have the ball in his hands more. . Bynum having Garnett by his side will also eliminate the ďboneheadĒ plays that Bynum sometimes has. Garnett is possible the most fierce competitor in the game, and will not accept any immaturity from Bynum.

- The second biggest mismatch in this series for us is the battle of 2 of the best big men of all time, Garnett and Dirk. Garnett has probably been the most important player for the Celtics this season, especially so far in the post season. He is the one of the best defensive PF in the game, and his impact on the offensive end (28 points against the Hawks on Thursday). When the ball doesnít get into Bynumís hands on offense, the ball will be fed to KG, most likely on the high post. His post play, as well as mid range shot and willingness as a passer, will open up the court for the rest of my team. KG is a tough matchup for any defender, especially a player like Dirk, who is considered to be a pretty poor to average defender. Garnett will be able to score around 22 or so for my team per night being the 2nd offensive option, and will be able to do so at a high % due to Dirkís defensive deficiencies. Since the 2010-2011 season, KG has averaged 16.7 PPG compared to Dirkís 23.3 PPG in their head to head matchup. While at first sight, it is seen that Dirk has outscored KG, it should be kept in mind that for 2 of those matchups, Dirk was beside Chandler (who in fact was the one who covered KG more). With a now lack lusted Brendan Haywood beside Dirk as well as a resurged KG from previous seasons, KG should be able to average more points than what previous matchups would say while being more efficient at it.

Perhaps the most important offensive player on my team is Jose Calderon. He is one of the best passers in the game, always being able to get it to the open man at the right time. He will be able to feed my bigs at all times during this series. He also has a great long-range jump shot, and when my bigs are doubled, they will kick it to Calderon who has a Nash-like spot up jumpshot. Calderon, in his last 5 games against Chalmers, has averaged 10.2 PPG ( on an average of 8 FGA with 50%) as well as 9.6 APG. While that may seem a bit underwhelming, keep in mind that he averaged that against a Miami team with the perimeter defense of Lebron and Wade. In this series, Chalmers has no one to protect him and this will lead to a better performance by Calderon. Calderonís bread and butter is his pick and roll/pop. With Bynum and Garnett as his big men, this will only enhance Calderonís ability. Garnett is one of the best mid range shooting big men in the league while Bynum is arguably the best post scorer in the league. Calderon is a veteran who will recognize mismatches from the pick and roll and can easily pass or shoot to get his team points.
-While Wilson Chandler and Avery Bradley might not seem to be scoring threats, they should very well hold their own. Chandler, in 8 games against the Celtics, has averaged 16PPG on 45%. This shows that Chandler is able to hold his own against Paul Pierce. While it is understandable that Chandlerís 11-12 season stats are unappealing, it should be noted that Chandler was entered into a situation late in the season and was injured early on, which is why judging his game this year is not fair at all. Bradley, our starting SG, has been on a roll since being given starters mins. Bradley, as a starter, has averaged 12.3 PPG while having to face solid defensive teams. Offensively, he never forces things. His splits are 49/31/81. Lee, while a good player in his own right, is not in any position to shut down and player and this should give Bradley the opportunity to score double digit points.
- Leandro Barbosa will be the biggest spark for my team off the bench. He is a player that has amazing quickness and is able to create his own shot anywhere on the court. With us running a 3 wing rotation (Bradley, Chandler, Barbosa), Barbosa will receive plenty of minutes, and will be a tough guard for anyone on the Knicks. Barbosa will expect anywhere from 30-40 mins depending on the game and his per36 scoring is fantastic with 19 PPG. The Knicks do not have the defense on the perimeter to match his quickness and this should increase his chances of matching his Per36 numbers. While Barbosa is our 6th man, we also have very capable scorers on our bench. Daniel Gibson, who has shown numerous times that he can score when given the opportunity, is a great 3 point shooter who will be able to get open shots with Bynum in the paint. Jason Smith, who averaged double digit points, is also another great shooter who complements Bynum well. Players such as Mosgov and Johnson who are good rebounders will greatly help when it comes to put backs. Having someone like Arenas can also be beneficial as while he has not been in the league for a while, he still has talent and there is always the possibility that he can light it up.

Defensive Quick Hits:

- Garnett is a perfect player to guard Dirk. He has the length, speed, defensive intelligence, and overall defensive prowess to make this a very tough series for Dirk. While Dirk has shown that he can score against KG, KG be very physical and will make Dirk work for his points. As stated before, KG has held Dirk to 23.3 PPG in their last 3 matchups and this should be a good indicator that Dirk will not explode and go for more points than he averages. To compensate for Dirk, we will force him baseline and send double teams and traps (depending whoís on the floor as we will not give up outside shots) whenever he is at the baseline to limit is chances for a shot or pass and increase turnovers. We also have Bynum in the paint in case Dirk gets pass KG in the perimeter.

- Paul Pierce will see 2 different defenders in this series. During more than half of the game, Avery Bradley will be matced up against Pierce. Before you say ďZOMG but Bradley is soooooo small!!Ē, let me explain myself. Pierce only has a 4 inch advantage on Bradley, but throughout this year Bradley has been given tough defensive matchups and always has success. He is one of the best perimeter defenders in this game, and will receive more than ample help from Bynum and Garnett in the paint to force Pierce into becoming almost entirely a jump shooter in this series. Bradley is allowing opponent to shoot only 33% fg and 27% from 3pt vs. him this season. This shows Bradleyís ability on defense and this will help limit Pierce on the perimeter with Bynum and Garnett to pick up where he left off in case Pierce gets to the rim .Wilson Chandler will also be given time against Pierce, and with the aforementioned interior help from Bynum and Garnett, as well as Chandlerís length and quickness, Pierce will have a hard time in this series. Pierce holds head to head averages of 23 PPG in 8 games so this can indicate that he will not be exploding on Chandler as Chandler has held Pierce to respectable numbers.
-Calderon is capable of covering Chalmers as all Chalmers is not a threat to drive to the basket while Lee has either Bradley or Chandler on him, which should give him plenty of trouble. Outside West, no one on their bench is a capable scoring threat with the mins theyíve been allotted and this should make it easier for my supporting cast so they can focus more on help defense for Pierce and Dirk.

- This point right here is a huge reason why I will win this series. Pierce and Dirk are very good offensive players, sure. But whenever one of them has an off night (and with the players covering them in this series, this should not be a surprise), who will be the other player to step up? Haywood has no offensive game with Bynum in the paint, Chalmers and Lee are only spot up shooters so this should not be of a problem for even the flat footed Calderon, and they have no one on their bench that will make an offensive impact outside West, who is not the greatest player to rely on. They have no other playmakers on the offensive end. With my interior defense, this team needs a playmaker that can get to the lane and force fouls on my bigs, but this Knicks team simply doesnít have that.
- Here is also another point that should be brought up regarding the Knicks offense. How do Pierce and Dirk work together? Two high usg players with very similar skillsets at this point in their respective careers. Pierce and Dirk have small experience playing alongside someone(who isnít a PG thatís setting them up) who needs the ball as much as them the last 6 or so years (Allen and KG do not use the ball as much as Dirk).

Bench Quick Hits:
-Their bench isnít going to be of any help considering the mins theyíve been allotted. West is their biggest bench threat but outside of him, no one should be a threat offensively. To match West, we have Barbosa to win the scoring matchup between the 2. West, when playing PG, allows his opposition to score more as well as assist more per 48 mins. In his production by position, the Mavericks lost 23 games compared to 19 wins when he played PG. As a SG, his team lost 6 of 13 games. At either position, his team had a losing record on a Mavericks team. This is compared to Barbosa, who while had a losing record as well, did not have the luxury of being of a playoff team. This shows that West wasnít actually beneficial for a playoff team in terms of wins and losses. Outside of West, their best player is Kousta Koufus. While he is a servicable big man, Bynum will be playing all but 8-10 mins in each game which should limit him greatly. When Bynum is not playing, we will have Jason Smith scoring, Mosgovís defense and Johnsonís energy to negate the production of Koufos. James Johnson, is a good player but with the mins he has, he will turn into a headache. James Johnson is not the smartest player and often forces shots, especially when he isnít being given enough mins. He will also cause turnovers and with his mins, he should be that productive offensively. While he is a decent defender, he will not be utilized fully as 10-15 mins does not do him any justice. Josh McRobertís 2 PPG, 2 RPG and subpar defense in 10 mins should not be a worry and would be our main target once he is on the floor. Overall, their bench isnít going to do much damage with the combination of lack of talent as well as lack of mins needed to be effective.

Conclusion: Surely the Knicks will win a few games in this series based solely off of their shooters hitting their shots in that game. But, the interior presence of my team as well as my teamís stoutness on the defensive, will win this series. My prediction: Wizards in 7.
Good luck to rosh and PK!

First and foremost, congratulations to UTB and Raps for building a good team that was voted into the second round of the NBA Re-Draft Playoffs.

Unfortunately though, this is where your playoff run ends. The New York Knicks have been built around the dynamic duo of Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki. With these two superstar players, we have two former NBA Finals MVP, two legitimate #1 options, two unselfish players, and two players who know how and what exactly needs to be done in crunch time to bring this team to victory. To complement this duo, we built a team that would bring out the strengths of each individual part, but also with the mind to make any five-player unit on the floor be an effective unit, to possess great CHEMISTRY, and a combination of both young and veteran talent that is capable of leading us back to the promised land. With an absolute ideal supporting cast around our two superstars, these will be the keys in us advancing to the next round of the post-season:

PG Matchup: Mario Chalmers/ Delonte West vs. Jose Calderon/ Daniel Gibson

We like this matchup a great deal. Chalmers is one of the best spotup shooters in the league, shooting about 40% from three and ranking among the best as a spot-up shooter according to synergy. Luckily Jose Calderon is an awful defender, and is ranked as the 287th worst spot-up defender in the league. You may be thinking that Bynum and KG can cover up for Calderonís deficiencies, but itís hard to cover up for open jump shots. As for the other end, Chalmers is giving up only .69 Points Per Possession on Pick and Rolls this year, and it just so happens that P&Rís are almost 50% of Calderonís offensive game. Chalmers also is a very good isolation defender. Off the bench, west can provide scoring, defense and passing and started for the defending champs this year. Gibson on the other hand sported a horrendous 50% TS% this year and isnít really a playmaker or defender off the bench.

Advantage: Draw

SG Matchup: Courtney Lee/ Delonte West vs. Avery Bradley/ Leandro Barbosa
Courtney Lee has developed as a defender and he is also having a great year shooting the ball and as a starter has been putting up 15 PPG on 44% shooting (40% from 3). He is still one of the most underrated players in the game, as he brings a great deal to the table on both ends of the floor. Bradley has emerged as a strong defender on the Celtics, but Lee finds ways to get open without the ball. Bradleyís a fantastic on ball defender, and luckily, Lee is adept at working without the ball. Off the bench, West and Barbosa are similar, but Barbosa cannot bring the defense that West does and West is a better ball handler to give us some more playmaking.

Advantage: Knicks

SF Matchup: Paul Pierce/ James Johnson vs. Wilson Chandler | Dominic McGuire
This is the biggest mismatch of the series for either team. Chandler has been horrible since coming over from China and Paul Pierce is showing the world he still has it in the playoffs this year. Heís averaging 21.2 PPG, 6.3 RPG and 3.8 APG with a 55% TS% while playing 38 MPG. He did this against a very strong defensive squad in the Hawks, mind you. He has a huge advantage over Chandler who has underperformed this year. Off the bench, Johnson can board, defend and score for 10-15 minutes and should be a spark at the SF and PF positions for this team.

Advantage: Knicks
PF Matchup: Dirk Nowitzki | Josh McRoberts vs. Kevin Garnett | Jason Smith
Now, I know what youíre thinking. KG can man Dirk. Maybe if this was 5 years ago, KG could man Dirk, but Dirk is averaging 27 PPG in their last 5 matchups on very efficient shooting while getting KG into foul trouble in 3 of the games. KG at this point is primarily a mid range shooter, which Dirk should be able to handle on the defensive end. KG has shot over 50% on only one of his last five meetings versus Dirk and has averaged 15 PPG in those meetings. Though KG is a great defender, Dirk is virtually unguardable. He can kill you from three, mid range, or in the paint. Heís adept at getting to the line as well, and when he gets to the line, he ainít missing. Not to mention, Dirk is one of the best closers in this game. He had a great series individually versus OKC averaging 27 and 6 with a TS% of 56%, but his team just didnít have the firepower to beat the young guns of OKC. Off the bench, McRoberts and Smith will essentially cancel each other out.

Advantage: Knicks

C Matchup: Brendan Haywood | Kosta Koufos vs. Andrew Bynum | Timofey Mozgov

This may look like a brutal matchup on the surface, but this is where Brendan Haywood can make himself very useful. Haywood has a huge frame and is still a very good post defender. He gave Bynum fits in their most recent matchup when Kobe Bryant was out. I believe Haywood can give us similar production in this series, as the Wizards donít have any particularly lethal scorers on the perimeter just like the Lakers in that game. Bynum scored 23 points, but he shot the ball 24 times and committed two turnovers. Haywood was on his case all game. Haywood is also a solid rebounder and we believe he would be a good matchup with Bynum. As for the backup bigs, Koufos provides rebounding and defense as well off the bench, as does Mozgov.

Advantage: Wizards

The Knicks would win this series. These games will be close games for sure, and in the fourth quarter, we have the clear cut advantage. Having two closers in Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki is just too much to handle for the Wizards despite their good defense. The Wizards do have a fantastic big duo, but they donít have the perimeter scoring or closer to win games in the 4th quarter. The advantages at SG, SF, and PF are too much, as well as having two of our best defenders go against two of the Wizards best offensive players is just a recipe for success. The Knicks take this series in 6 games.

KnicksorBust
05-12-2012, 01:36 PM
Tough one:

Wizards have the biggest mismatch (Bynum > Haywood/Koufos) and the Knicks will rely a lot on 1 on 1 with Dirk and Pierce and they both operate in the same area of the floor...

However, the Knicks have a much more convincing write-up and proven game closers for a tight series. Too close to call for now. I'm going to think about this more later.

unleashthebeast
05-12-2012, 01:38 PM
Very exciting. Good luck to rosh and PK. May the voting begin!

Ebbs
05-12-2012, 01:55 PM
The biggest mismatch is not really a mismatch. I have watched Haywood visibly bother Bynum game after game. Knicks win

The_Jamal
05-12-2012, 02:35 PM
Lol, the Wizards are sorely mistaken if they thnink they'll get 25+ from Bynum and 22 from KG.

TrueFan420
05-12-2012, 02:57 PM
Wizards are putting the scoring load on Bynum and chandler or kg is the second option... Not winning

Ebbs
05-12-2012, 03:07 PM
Props to the Wizards for getting this far I thought they were probably 1 and done in the playoffs.

unleashthebeast
05-12-2012, 03:11 PM
I think that you all are really undervaluing the defensive presence of Bradley and my bigs in this game. My offense isn't the best but their offense will be slowed down so much that I don't see my offense being a problem.

Baller1
05-12-2012, 09:55 PM
I like Bynum and KG down low, a lot.

DR_1
05-12-2012, 10:45 PM
Knicks in 5. Too much star power.

unleashthebeast
05-12-2012, 10:50 PM
Lol, the Wizards are sorely mistaken if they thnink they'll get 25+ from Bynum and 22 from KG.

Both will score in the 20s on a consistent basis in this series, with them both being top 2 options with weak defenders covering them. It is not too much to ask at all.

Eagles4Lyfe
05-12-2012, 11:04 PM
Knicks

The_Jamal
05-12-2012, 11:18 PM
Both will score in the 20s on a consistent basis in this series, with them both being top 2 options with weak defenders covering them. It is not too much to ask at all.

All the Knicks have to do (and just about any team in the redraft) is pack the paint and let Calderon, Bradley, and Chandler beat them. And since when are Dirk and Haywood weak defenders? They aren't great, but I trust them more than enough to keep Bynum and KG in check

B'sCeltsPatsSox
05-12-2012, 11:19 PM
For me it comes down to Bradley's D vs. Pierce's O. Not sure who would prevail in that though.

KnicksorBust
05-12-2012, 11:45 PM
All the Knicks have to do (and just about any team in the redraft) is pack the paint and let Calderon, Bradley, and Chandler beat them. And since when are Dirk and Haywood weak defenders? They aren't great, but I trust them more than enough to keep Bynum and KG in check

:laugh:

Calderon shoots 38% from 3pt. Bradley shoots 40% from 3pt and Barbosa off the bench shot 42% from 3pt. Packing the paint won't do ****. Plus KG can thrive in the mid-range game. Just watch tonight's highlights if you don't believe me.

I've been a huge fan of the Wiz this whole draft. In my PRs I flat out told them to go after Calderon (where's my thank you? lmao j/k) and now that they have him I love this team. We all know Chandler's 8 game return from China doesn't mean ****. He's the same player he was the last 3 years. He's a legit 2-way player and a good 4th option. Bradley has proven he's a phenomenal defender and Calderon is a true pass-first PG. With Garnett's resurgence and Bynum proving he is the 2nd best C in the game, this team is getting way underrated.

I want to just vote Wiz because I hate how lopsided this vote is but I'll let Rosh/PK respond to my post before making my final decision.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-13-2012, 12:27 AM
:laugh:

Calderon shoots 38% from 3pt. Bradley shoots 40% from 3pt and Barbosa off the bench shot 42% from 3pt. Packing the paint won't do ****. Plus KG can thrive in the mid-range game. Just watch tonight's highlights if you don't believe me.

I've been a huge fan of the Wiz this whole draft. In my PRs I flat out told them to go after Calderon (where's my thank you? lmao j/k) and now that they have him I love this team. We all know Chandler's 8 game return from China doesn't mean ****. He's the same player he was the last 3 years. He's a legit 2-way player and a good 4th option. Bradley has proven he's a phenomenal defender and Calderon is a true pass-first PG. With Garnett's resurgence and Bynum proving he is the 2nd best C in the game, this team is getting way underrated.

I want to just vote Wiz because I hate how lopsided this vote is but I'll let Rosh/PK respond to my post before making my final decision.

We were suppose to draft him but we got skipped. He got drafted like 5 mins before I came on.

roshan3ai
05-13-2012, 12:59 AM
:laugh:

Calderon shoots 38% from 3pt. Bradley shoots 40% from 3pt and Barbosa off the bench shot 42% from 3pt. Packing the paint won't do ****. Plus KG can thrive in the mid-range game. Just watch tonight's highlights if you don't believe me.

I've been a huge fan of the Wiz this whole draft. In my PRs I flat out told them to go after Calderon (where's my thank you? lmao j/k) and now that they have him I love this team. We all know Chandler's 8 game return from China doesn't mean ****. He's the same player he was the last 3 years. He's a legit 2-way player and a good 4th option. Bradley has proven he's a phenomenal defender and Calderon is a true pass-first PG. With Garnett's resurgence and Bynum proving he is the 2nd best C in the game, this team is getting way underrated.

I want to just vote Wiz because I hate how lopsided this vote is but I'll let Rosh/PK respond to my post before making my final decision.
I honestly don't trust Bynum without a good wing threat. Chandler and Bradley can score a little, but aren't wreaking havoc in the paint or anything.

Chalmers is also going to be guarding Calderon for most of the game and he's a very good defender of the pick and roll and iso. I think he'll limit Calderon in this series to high single digits-low teens and cause him to commit some turnovers.

KG at the power forward position is not as good as the KG at the Center position. Dirk can go out on him and he's not going to be scoring 20+ per game at all. He has averaged only 15 in their last few meetings and his recent resurgence is largely due to him switching to the center position.

As for Bynum, Haywood has shown that he could bother him in their last matchup when Kobe was out. And Pierce is obviously a very good defender and can limit Wilson Chandler who can be pretty erratic and I believed to be a bit of an overrated defender from his time with NY.

That's my argument.

PocketKings
05-13-2012, 02:16 AM
Keep in mind as well for this series and the one that happened in real life Lakers vs Nuggets. Bynum was supposed to be able to "dominate" that series with the size advantage he possessed and he really wasn't able to dominate on a consistent basis.

There are still a lot of question marks surrounding Bynum being a legitimate #1 option to lead a playoff team, especially at this juncture of the post-season being the Eastern Conference Finals.

I admit, I like Bradley's game a lot, but if you're asking him to contain PP for a 7 game series you are in big trouble. Dirk is still Dirk and if you look at their match-ups the past two seasons (4 games):

Dirk - 24.5 ppg - 56% FG PCT - 5.8 RPG
KG - 14.5 PPG - 39.6% FG PCT - 9.8 RPG

Dirk is still going to play a major role in our offense. Don't be fooled by KG's reputation and his current resurgence. The fact is, Dirk has dominated KG as of late and that trend won't change.

In the end, the Wizards are expecting to much from players without experience (Bynum/Bradley) versus our guys who have championship caliber experience (PP/Dirk) who both happen to be NBA Finals MVP.

Edit: I'm well aware that Bynum still averaged 17/13 for the series, but be certain to see that since Bynum opened his mouth about "close out games are easy" the past two games he's a combined 8-26 from the field and hasn't been the impactful 2-way player that most expected him to be this series.

unleashthebeast
05-13-2012, 10:44 AM
Measuring bynums effectiveness in this series against the nuggets (or any games were Kobe is healthy) is not a fair measurement of his capabilities as a number one option. Bynum barely touches the ball when Kobe is healthy. On our team the ball will be either on his or garnetts hands on almost every possession.

PocketKings
05-13-2012, 11:09 AM
Measuring bynums effectiveness in this series against the nuggets (or any games were Kobe is healthy) is not a fair measurement of his capabilities as a number one option. Bynum barely touches the ball when Kobe is healthy. On our team the ball will be either on his or garnetts hands on almost every possession.

That doesn't answer the question whether he is capable of such responsibility or workload. One thing we do know about him is that he still has that immature attitude that creeps up and gets him in a bit of trouble.

Let's not forget either that if you are running your offense through Bynum in the low-post that he is still a pretty poor passer out of the post and is limited to only kick-outs from there.

There isn't a sample size large enough that proves he can be an effective #1 on a title-hopeful team.

Bynum has a GREAT future and he FLASHES AMAZING potential but he hasn't developed the consistency or proven anything as a #1 thus far for us to believe he can out-duel the proven efforts or even match a PP/Dirk duo.

unleashthebeast
05-13-2012, 11:20 AM
The immaturity aspect was also touched in our write-up. I refuse to believe that being on a team with Garnett for a full season would still have Bynum showing his immaturity on a consistent basis. He also seemed to be under better control this year when he was the number One option, being fed the ball on a consistent basis

PocketKings
05-13-2012, 11:27 AM
The immaturity aspect was also touched in our write-up. I refuse to believe that being on a team with Garnett for a full season would still have Bynum showing his immaturity on a consistent basis. He also seemed to be under better control this year when he was the number One option, being fed the ball on a consistent basis

Because being on a team with Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, and Derek Fisher the past few years isn't consistent, motivating, great leadership? :eyebrow:

And in those 7 games without Kobe, Bynum shot an average of 49.2% in those games. As a center, and being the focal point of an offense, that isn't a great %.

Bynum's consistency being a consistent scorer is also at question. There are games where he will light it up but he always sprinkles it in with some really, really inefficient games as a big man. It isn't like a lot of his offense is him taking short mid-range jumpers. MAJORITY of his offense is in the paint. That inefficiency is really mind-boggling and worrisome.

Corey
05-13-2012, 03:00 PM
If the Wiz bigs get into foul trouble, or are having off games, they have no backcourt or wing players to turn to as a consistent offensive threat.

Knicks win.

unleashthebeast
05-13-2012, 03:55 PM
Isn't that the case for the Knicks as well, with their 2 offensive threats? And with the limited amount of drivers on the Knicks, I don't see my bigs getting into foul trouble

unleashthebeast
05-13-2012, 07:28 PM
bump :sigh:

Corey
05-13-2012, 07:30 PM
Isn't that the case for the Knicks as well, with their 2 offensive threats?

Nope. Their two main options are a wing player and a big man. Completely different than you.

Your entire game is reliant on post scoring and you have minimal guardplay to turn to when the post gets loaded up.

unleashthebeast
05-13-2012, 10:02 PM
Both of their options are perimeter oriented, while mine are post oriented. Both of our offenses are somewhat one dimensional, so I don't see how they would have the clear advantage.

PocketKings
05-13-2012, 10:37 PM
Dirk is arguably the most talented offensive big man in the entire league. Saying he is simply a perimeter threat is absolutely laughable. Not to mention PP does a lot of his damage both as a PNR ball handler or on the low/mid-block.

unleashthebeast
05-14-2012, 06:55 AM
Well, looks like I fall in the ECF for 2 consecutive years :sigh:. Well done Rosh and PK

unleashthebeast
05-14-2012, 06:57 AM
Dirk is arguably the most talented offensive big man in the entire league. Saying he is simply a perimeter threat is absolutely laughable. Not to mention PP does a lot of his damage both as a PNR ball handler or on the low/mid-block.

You must have misread what I posted. All that I said was that your 2 main options are perimeter oriented, doing most of their damage from mid to long range, while my 2 main options are post oriented. There is nothing incorrect about that statement.

KnicksorBust
05-14-2012, 07:37 PM
Knicks advance.

NBA ReDraft Finals Knicks vs. Spurs to be posted Thursday night.