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NYSpirit1
05-10-2012, 11:48 PM
The Sixers were 20-9 and finished at 35-31, absolutely pathetic down the stretch.

The last game of the season against the Pistons it was clear as day they were tanking, they sat literally everyone on their roster and ended up losing by like 30. For two weeks, ESPN and every other outlet was debating whether the Knicks should tank to get the Bulls. They didn't, the Sixers did and they got past the first round. True, they didn't know Rose would get hurt but that didn't matter, no one wanted to play the Heat (and rightfully so). And Rose was going to be way less than 100% regardless, which made the series much easier to win.

It's a shame how the season ended up in the East. Rose and Noah went down killing the Bulls title hopes, Howard never even played (leading to an easy 2nd round matchup with the Heat), the Knicks were heavily injured. Meanwhile the Sixers got rewarded for tanking and now are in the 2nd round.

It's easy to see this is complaining from a Knicks fan, but coupled with the lockout, the 66 game crazy season filled with obnoxious injuries, it's annoying to see the Heat have an easy run to the Finals.

It hasn't been a disappointing season for just the Knicks, but also for the Bulls, Celtics, Hawks (Horford) and Nets fans just to name a few.

Maybe the Heat would have gotten to the Finals anyway, it's quite possible. But to face a completely healthy Knicks 10 deep team (Chandler-Amare-Melo-Fields-Lin & Jeffries-Novak-Smith-Shumpert-Davis) and then get banged up by Howard in the second round to face Rose & the Bulls in Round 3 is no walk in the park. We're talking going to 7 games w/Knicks, 6 w/Magic and 7 w/Bulls. In reality, a rail-thin Knicks team, the Pacers and either the Sixers or Celtics is pretty much a bye to the Finals for the most talented team since the 98 Bulls.

Giraffes Rule
05-10-2012, 11:52 PM
The 76ers didn't tank.

LongIslandIcedZ
05-10-2012, 11:52 PM
I dont know if tanking really worked out, if Rose and Noah were healthy they probably would have lost.

Just a fortunate turn of events for Philly.

Giraffes Rule
05-10-2012, 11:53 PM
You know who did tank and it worked out for them? The Grizzlies last year.

nitric
05-10-2012, 11:54 PM
So the Sixers knew Rose would tear his ACL in game 1?

pd7631
05-10-2012, 11:55 PM
We played the exact same people the game before against Milwuakee and won the game. Iggy was dealing with an achilles injury, Thad was worn down, EB was pretty broken down, etc.

Why is every other team in the NBA allowed to rest their starters and nobody gives a ****, but the Sixers do it for 2 GAMES, and we get **** like this? We didn't tank, we were giving our guys rest for the playoffs.

DaSeba5
05-10-2012, 11:56 PM
If Rose and Noah played, it would have been a 4-5 game series. They didn't know Rose would get hurt.

JC_
05-10-2012, 11:56 PM
The 76ers didn't tank.

He just means they didn't try to get the 7th seed and it worked out well for them.

and to the OP, Miami isn't the only team with the easy road to the ECF.. the Celtics would have had to play the Bulls if Rose and co didn't get injured. Now they're get to play the 8th seed instead of the 1st seed in the 2nd round.

thekmp211
05-10-2012, 11:57 PM
LOL you are some troll. they tanked into the 8th seed to face a then-healthy bulls team? please.

chicago is the only team that has injuries to thank for ruining title hopes. orlando and new york were not serious contenders before their injuries. sorry.

knicks4life33
05-11-2012, 12:01 AM
they did tank . evan turner said he rather play the bulls then the heat with a injured derrick rose coming off all those nagging injuries

D1JM
05-11-2012, 12:01 AM
They didn't tank to play the bulls. They know the bulls with a healthy rose would of been a handful but they aren't going to admit it. Why should they?

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 12:02 AM
We didn't tank at all. Outsiders who actually have no idea what the situation was are just saying that. And obviously a Knicks fan makes this. Sorry you had to play the Heat, but we weren't tanking to play the Bulls at all.

Also, we won 4 of our last 5 games of the season, so how the **** is that tanking? You're an idiot.

bowieinspace
05-11-2012, 12:16 AM
It's crazy that Evan turner knew rose would tear his acl in game one so they should lose their last few games and play the bulls without rose. Impressive. They earned the second round.

dhopisthename
05-11-2012, 12:16 AM
yes tanking worked beautifully. for the golden state warriors(unless a miracle happens and they lose it in the lottery) if they had won just 1 more game they wouldn't have gotten their pick

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 12:20 AM
It's crazy that Evan turner knew rose would tear his acl in game one so they should lose their last few games and play the bulls without rose. Impressive. They earned the second round.

Haha, and that's the thing. We won the game before when we also rested everyone, and we won 4 out of our last 5 of the season. There was literally no tanking.

This is just a bitter Knicks fan that's upset his team had to play the Heat. And look at how he phrases the post... Blatantly trolling. The thread should be closed.

mvb815
05-11-2012, 12:22 AM
they obviously tanked, anyone who denies that is either a philly fan or blind. come on, a pistons team with nothing to gain demolished them. on top of that evan turners statements?

no doubt the word in the locker room was to go out there and give about 30% that game

edit: they didn't do it because they knew what would happen to rose, they did it because the heat are a better team than the bulls. the acl tear was just dumb luck.

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 12:27 AM
^And are you a Bulls fan I'm guessing? Lol please man...

How about the game before where they didn't play anyone yet still won the game? Or the 4 in a row they won before going into that game?

Wade>You
05-11-2012, 12:32 AM
No team wanted to play the Bulls or the Heat in the first round.

bowieinspace
05-11-2012, 12:41 AM
My point was they didn't tank. They outplayed a depleted team. It sucks, but as a bulls fan I'm disappointed they couldnt step up their game and lost 4-2. I like actually like Philly.

Mrphilly
05-11-2012, 12:51 AM
they did tank . evan turner said he rather play the bulls then the heat with a injured derrick rose coming off all those nagging injuries So because he stated the obvious, you call that tanking? Emotional men make the worst thread!!!

mvb815
05-11-2012, 12:53 AM
Sobbecause he stated the obvious, you call tanking? Emotional men make the worst thread!!!

he stated the obvious right? so the 76ers made it happen.

nobodys bashing them for it, we actually think they are brilliant

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 12:54 AM
My point was they didn't tank. They outplayed a depleted team. It sucks, but as a bulls fan I'm disappointed they couldnt step up their game and lost 4-2. I like actually like Philly.

Yeah I was agreeing with you, just making the point further and stating that they didn't lose their last couple of games like you said.

mvb815
05-11-2012, 12:56 AM
Yeah I was agreeing with you, just making the point further and stating that they didn't lose their last couple of games like you said.

i don't think they planned for it to happen down the line, but i think they did look at the last game on the schedule, checked the situation, and decided to throw it

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 12:56 AM
Actually we did tank guys. We started to tank when we were 20-9 because we knew we'd fall all the way to the 8 seed, play the Bulls, and Rose would tear his ACL. It was a season long masterfully planned tank job that fooled everyone.

Ebbs
05-11-2012, 03:40 AM
Stupid thread Heat are going to the finals regardless. A healthy Knicks team still was not taking Miami to 7, the Bulls weren't the same team this year, and Dwight is the tin man.

BKLYNpigeon
05-11-2012, 08:47 AM
Knicks fans are just bitter. It really doesnt matter. if you're big three contracts are Melo, Stat and Chandler, you're not going to win.

nate2usmc
05-11-2012, 08:59 AM
No team wanted to play the Bulls or the Heat in the first round.


Knicks fans are just bitter. It really doesnt matter. if you're big three contracts are Melo, Stat and Chandler, you're not going to win.

This.

Atleast Melo and Chandler "earned" their contracts. STAT is the real cap killer and for all the Knicks fans hoping he'd restructure: NOPE! The guy has to be on contract for 3 yrs. No JR Smith and possibly no Novak after this season. No legit 2 guard. Winter is coming (Deja Vu) , Knicks fans.

kdspurman
05-11-2012, 09:01 AM
Haha, and that's the thing. We won the game before when we also rested everyone, and we won 4 out of our last 5 of the season. There was literally no tanking.

This is just a bitter Knicks fan that's upset his team had to play the Heat. And look at how he phrases the post... Blatantly trolling. The thread should be closed.

I think it's pretty obvious they were tanking... Won 4/5 at the end but in the month of April went 6-8, including getting blown out at home by Toronto and losing at home to the Nets.

bucketss
05-11-2012, 09:09 AM
The Sixers were 20-9 and finished at 35-31, absolutely pathetic down the stretch.

The last game of the season against the Pistons it was clear as day they were tanking, they sat literally everyone on their roster and ended up losing by like 30. For two weeks, ESPN and every other outlet was debating whether the Knicks should tank to get the Bulls. They didn't, the Sixers did and they got past the first round. True, they didn't know Rose would get hurt but that didn't matter, no one wanted to play the Heat (and rightfully so). And Rose was going to be way less than 100% regardless, which made the series much easier to win.

It's a shame how the season ended up in the East. Rose and Noah went down killing the Bulls title hopes, Howard never even played (leading to an easy 2nd round matchup with the Heat), the Knicks were heavily injured. Meanwhile the Sixers got rewarded for tanking and now are in the 2nd round.

It's easy to see this is complaining from a Knicks fan, but coupled with the lockout, the 66 game crazy season filled with obnoxious injuries, it's annoying to see the Heat have an easy run to the Finals.

It hasn't been a disappointing season for just the Knicks, but also for the Bulls, Celtics, Hawks (Horford) and Nets fans just to name a few.

Maybe the Heat would have gotten to the Finals anyway, it's quite possible. But to face a completely healthy Knicks 10 deep team (Chandler-Amare-Melo-Fields-Lin & Jeffries-Novak-Smith-Shumpert-Davis) and then get banged up by Howard in the second round to face Rose & the Bulls in Round 3 is no walk in the park. We're talking going to 7 games w/Knicks, 6 w/Magic and 7 w/Bulls. In reality, a rail-thin Knicks team, the Pacers and either the Sixers or Celtics is pretty much a bye to the Finals for the most talented team since the 98 Bulls.

7 games for the knicks and only 6 for orlando? homer much??

C_Mund
05-11-2012, 09:22 AM
We didn't tank at all. Outsiders who actually have no idea what the situation was are just saying that. And obviously a Knicks fan makes this. Sorry you had to play the Heat, but we weren't tanking to play the Bulls at all.

Also, we won 4 of our last 5 games of the season, so how the **** is that tanking? You're an idiot.

Yeah, and also a Knicks fan assuming that they would go seven games against the Heat. Even without injuries the Knicks did nothing all year to prove they could play together as a cohesive unit and compete with arguably the best team in the league. Sorry, OP, not saying you're 100% wrong, but it's not really proper to say that your team is anything better than a 7th seed until they start playing consistent ball

Duddy
05-11-2012, 09:42 AM
The Sixers were 20-9 and finished at 35-31, absolutely pathetic down the stretch.

The last game of the season against the Pistons it was clear as day they were tanking, they sat literally everyone on their roster and ended up losing by like 30. For two weeks, ESPN and every other outlet was debating whether the Knicks should tank to get the Bulls. They didn't, the Sixers did and they got past the first round. True, they didn't know Rose would get hurt but that didn't matter, no one wanted to play the Heat (and rightfully so). And Rose was going to be way less than 100% regardless, which made the series much easier to win.

It's a shame how the season ended up in the East. Rose and Noah went down killing the Bulls title hopes, Howard never even played (leading to an easy 2nd round matchup with the Heat), the Knicks were heavily injured. Meanwhile the Sixers got rewarded for tanking and now are in the 2nd round.

It's easy to see this is complaining from a Knicks fan, but coupled with the lockout, the 66 game crazy season filled with obnoxious injuries, it's annoying to see the Heat have an easy run to the Finals.

It hasn't been a disappointing season for just the Knicks, but also for the Bulls, Celtics, Hawks (Horford) and Nets fans just to name a few.

Maybe the Heat would have gotten to the Finals anyway, it's quite possible. But to face a completely healthy Knicks 10 deep team (Chandler-Amare-Melo-Fields-Lin & Jeffries-Novak-Smith-Shumpert-Davis) and then get banged up by Howard in the second round to face Rose & the Bulls in Round 3 is no walk in the park. We're talking going to 7 games w/Knicks, 6 w/Magic and 7 w/Bulls. In reality, a rail-thin Knicks team, the Pacers and either the Sixers or Celtics is pretty much a bye to the Finals for the most talented team since the 98 Bulls.

Really? Lin + Shumpert = 2-3 more wins for the Knicks?

Jint.
05-11-2012, 09:51 AM
lets see if it works for the Bobcats

Gram
05-11-2012, 09:52 AM
Really? Lin + Shumpert = 2-3 more wins for the Knicks?

He's the biggest Knicks homer on the forum.

JasonJohnHorn
05-11-2012, 10:04 AM
Well... I don't think the 76ers were tanking on purpose. They were in position to get homecourt advantage in the first round, and if all goes well in the post season, they would have to play Chi-town or Miami. Nobody would want to play the Bulls anymore than the Heat, they are both great teams. I don't know where you're getting the impression that they tanked the games on purpose. When they starting losing more games the Heat and Bulls were within a game of each other and there was no way of know who would finish first or second.

THE GIPPER
05-11-2012, 10:20 AM
If this is tanking then Memphis tanked last year to play the Spurs in the first round and that worked out pretty well for them as well.

Swashcuff
05-11-2012, 10:40 AM
Not a single person on PSD thought the 76ers tanked when they rested their starters (and rightfully so) but as soon as we beat the depleted Bulls and advanced to the 2nd round its brought up? :laugh2:

If it wasn't tanking before the fact how is it suddenly tanking now?

The only difference between the Milwaukee game and the Detroit game is that Jrue saw some action. We lost by 22 not 30 and it was largely due to Ben Gordon's record setting night.

We won 4 of our last 5, do you seriously think we decided to tank on just the last 2? Why didn't we do it before then?

D-Leethal
05-11-2012, 10:43 AM
We played the exact same people the game before against Milwuakee and won the game. Iggy was dealing with an achilles injury, Thad was worn down, EB was pretty broken down, etc.

Why is every other team in the NBA allowed to rest their starters and nobody gives a ****, but the Sixers do it for 2 GAMES, and we get **** like this? We didn't tank, we were giving our guys rest for the playoffs.

Doug Collins admitted they had no intentions of moving up to #7 and even mentioned why. He said something like 'Were perfectly happy with our matchup, I'll be resting guys'

and Evan Turner admitted it was pretty obvious they were 'avoiding the tougher team' in a tweet and had Korver respond with something along the lines of 'come play us #letsgo'

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 10:45 AM
Doug Collins admitted they had no intentions of moving up to #7 and even mentioned why. He said something like 'Were perfectly happy with our matchup, I'll be resting guys''

This is just a blatant lie.

D-Leethal
05-11-2012, 10:50 AM
Not a single person on PSD thought the 76ers tanked when they rested their starters (and rightfully so) but as soon as we beat the depleted Bulls and advanced to the 2nd round its brought up? :laugh2:

If it wasn't tanking before the fact how is it suddenly tanking now?

The only difference between the Milwaukee game and the Detroit game is that Jrue saw some action. We lost by 22 not 30 and it was largely due to Ben Gordon's record setting night.

We won 4 of our last 5, do you seriously think we decided to tank on just the last 2? Why didn't we do it before then?

Because MIL was directly on your ***** and you were treading the fine line between tanking and not falling out of the playoffs. The second MIL lost a couple game in a row, you guys sent everyone to the bench.

D-Leethal
05-11-2012, 10:52 AM
Really? Lin + Shumpert = 2-3 more wins for the Knicks?

Lin, Shumpert, Baron only having to play 15-20 mpg off the bench in his comfort zone, and it can't be understated what actually having PG's capable of driving and creating would do for guys like Novak and Fields and even JR going back to his comfort zone and not being forced to try to play PG.

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 10:55 AM
Because MIL was directly on your ***** and you were treading the fine line between tanking and not falling out of the playoffs. The second MIL lost a couple game in a row, you guys sent everyone to the bench.

For REST, for two games. Not to avoid Miami. And we WON one of those games anyway. Jesus. You just don't get it.

Whatever. Believe what you want, but you have no idea what you're talking about and you're making up quotes from Doug Collins and not providing any sources.

celtNYpatsHeels
05-11-2012, 11:10 AM
Tanking worked for the Colts last season...

a_dub06
05-11-2012, 11:15 AM
The last game of the season against the Pistons it was clear as day they were tanking, they sat literally everyone on their roster and ended up losing by like 30.

Really? lol. You call that last game tanking? Pretty sure that game was absolutely meaningless for my Pistons as even loosing wouldn't have secured us a better position for the draft lottery.

Also for the last game of the season, why would a team with no chance at bettering their draft position and with no chance at making playoffs tank? I call that game's tactic giving the younger less experienced players minutes and also giving Big Ben a decent send off.....

tlynch
05-11-2012, 11:19 AM
I'll post this again... I posted it last year and it got shot down...

What if the top 4 seeds in each conference each got to choose their first round opponent from the bottom 4 playoff teams in their conference.

So the first seed would pick who they play first, then the second seed would pick from the remaining three, etc...

I think it would make it more meaningful to be in the top 4 and as it stands, the match-ups are very random, as teams can move around several spots on the last day.

It would also add a little insult factor for the team that gets picked first, making the match-up a little more exciting.

mightybosstone
05-11-2012, 11:26 AM
Anyone who thinks the Sixers "tanked" the second half of the season is a complete idiot. Midway through the season, they were a top 3-5 team in the conference. No one deliberately falls to the 7-8 seed on purpose unless you're trying to miss the playoffs entirely for draft purposes, and even then, I see no reason why the Sixers would do that.

That just played poor basketball the second half of the season, got lucky with the Rose injury and are starting to pick up their game a little bit. But I'd be genuinely surprised if they upset the Celtics. The 76ers are a fantastic defensive team, but they really lack go-to crunch time scorers.

dalton749
05-11-2012, 11:33 AM
the knicks could have those 10 players on steroids and they still dont go to 7 games lmao dont kid yourself

WadeKobe
05-11-2012, 11:39 AM
But to face a completely healthy Knicks 10 deep team (Chandler-Amare-Melo-Fields-Lin & Jeffries-Novak-Smith-Shumpert-Davis) and then get banged up by Howard in the second round to face Rose & the Bulls in Round 3 is no walk in the park. We're talking going to 7 games w/Knicks, 6 w/Magic and 7 w/Bulls. In reality, a rail-thin Knicks team, the Pacers and either the Sixers or Celtics is pretty much a bye to the Finals for the most talented team since the 98 Bulls.

I wanted the Knicks, and even a healthy Knicks team. The Knicks were the worst team in the Eastern playoffs, and I'd give you a healthy team, with 2 Lins and 2 Shumperts and we'd win in 5. You all are no match for Miami. Getting you would have been like getting a round off to rest before playing Orlando. I'm sorry your team is irrelevant and will remain so for 10 more years because LeBron didn't chose your team and chose our's instead. I'm sorry that makes it so painful for you to see us win. You need help.

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 11:45 AM
I'll post this again... I posted it last year and it got shot down...

What if the top 4 seeds in each conference each got to choose their first round opponent from the bottom 4 playoff teams in their conference.

So the first seed would pick who they play first, then the second seed would pick from the remaining three, etc...

I think it would make it more meaningful to be in the top 4 and as it stands, the match-ups are very random, as teams can move around several spots on the last day.

It would also add a little insult factor for the team that gets picked first, making the match-up a little more exciting.

It's an interesting proposal, and would certainly be entertaining, but it's a really bad idea. It makes the standings of the bottom 4 teams essentially meaningless. They aren't really playing for anything if they get picked to play a certain team regardless. It would basically ruin the integrity of the league. And the bottom 4 playoff teams might start "tanking" to get a better draft pick since their place in the standings doesn't matter anyways. The 5th place team should be rewarded a matchup with the 4th place team. The 8th place team should have to play the 1st place team.

WadeKobe
05-11-2012, 11:46 AM
7 games for the knicks and only 6 for orlando? homer much??

:laugh: Nice catch!

kdspurman
05-11-2012, 11:50 AM
I wanted the Knicks, and even a healthy Knicks team. The Knicks were the worst team in the Eastern playoffs, and I'd give you a healthy team, with 2 Lins and 2 Shumperts and we'd win in 5. You all are no match for Miami. Getting you would have been like getting a round off to rest before playing Orlando. I'm sorry your team is irrelevant and will remain so for 10 more years because LeBron didn't chose your team and chose our's instead. I'm sorry that makes it so painful for you to see us win. You need help.

Gotta love the bickering between heat/knicks fans. But my god the cockiness from some heat fans is unbearable

WadeKobe
05-11-2012, 11:54 AM
Gotta love the bickering between heat/knicks fans.

Sorry, I don't normally post like this, only when responding to Knick homers. The Knicks are a pretty miserable team and all their fans did was whine and complain about Miami and act like they could have beaten us "if....". I'm tired of the stupidity and how rampant it is, and I'm tired of hearing NY fans cry. So, I'd rather just point out what's really going on, and do it in an obnoxious manner.

(1) The Knicks are not a good team.
(2) The Knicks are irrelevant in the big picture of the NBA
(3) Knicks fans are STILL butt-hurt about LeBron going to Miami

It is what it is. I'd rather just have fun with it.

WadeKobe
05-11-2012, 11:55 AM
Gotta love the bickering between heat/knicks fans. But my god the cockiness from some heat fans is unbearable

??? Cockiness? I didn't say we're going to cruise to a championship or anything of the sort. I simply said we could mop the floor with NY, even if they were 100% or even better. That isn't cocky. It just is what it is.

kdspurman
05-11-2012, 11:57 AM
??? Cockiness? I didn't say we're going to cruise to a championship or anything of the sort. I simply said we could mop the floor with NY, even if they were 100% or even better. That isn't cocky. It just is what it is.


Originally Posted by Wade>Kobe
I wanted the Knicks, and even a healthy Knicks team. The Knicks were the worst team in the Eastern playoffs, and I'd give you a healthy team, with 2 Lins and 2 Shumperts and we'd win in 5. You all are no match for Miami. Getting you would have been like getting a round off to rest before playing Orlando. I'm sorry your team is irrelevant and will remain so for 10 more years because LeBron didn't chose your team and chose our's instead. I'm sorry that makes it so painful for you to see us win. You need help.

I mean regardless of the opponent, that's a pretty cocky statement right there LOL...

kdspurman
05-11-2012, 12:00 PM
Sorry, I don't normally post like this, only when responding to Knick homers. The Knicks are a pretty miserable team and all their fans did was whine and complain about Miami and act like they could have beaten us "if....". I'm tired of the stupidity and how rampant it is, and I'm tired of hearing NY fans cry. So, I'd rather just point out what's really going on, and do it in an obnoxious manner.

(1) The Knicks are not a good team.
(2) The Knicks are irrelevant in the big picture of the NBA
(3) Knicks fans are STILL butt-hurt about LeBron going to Miami

It is what it is. I'd rather just have fun with it.

I think a lot of fans do this, there are just more Knick fans here tbh...

And I disagree with them being irrelevant, even if they aren't championship material the Knicks being a playoff team is good for the league. That was the most exciting/entertaining first round matchup that wasn't really close tbh

mightybosstone
05-11-2012, 12:10 PM
I wanted the Knicks, and even a healthy Knicks team. The Knicks were the worst team in the Eastern playoffs, and I'd give you a healthy team, with 2 Lins and 2 Shumperts and we'd win in 5. You all are no match for Miami. Getting you would have been like getting a round off to rest before playing Orlando. I'm sorry your team is irrelevant and will remain so for 10 more years because LeBron didn't chose your team and chose our's instead. I'm sorry that makes it so painful for you to see us win. You need help.


Sorry, I don't normally post like this, only when responding to Knick homers. The Knicks are a pretty miserable team and all their fans did was whine and complain about Miami and act like they could have beaten us "if....". I'm tired of the stupidity and how rampant it is, and I'm tired of hearing NY fans cry. So, I'd rather just point out what's really going on, and do it in an obnoxious manner.

(1) The Knicks are not a good team.
(2) The Knicks are irrelevant in the big picture of the NBA
(3) Knicks fans are STILL butt-hurt about LeBron going to Miami

It is what it is. I'd rather just have fun with it.

You guys seriously need to get over yourselves. I'm in no way a Knicks or Heat fan, and I'm openly rooting for the Heat to win a ring for Lebron this season, but these statements are just over the top. The Knicks are a pretty good basketball team that is CERTAINLY relevant in the NBA because of the history of the franchise, their market, their venue and their stars. While I don't think the Knicks were ever a legit contender this season, that doesn't mean they couldn't be in the immediate future if they made a couple of moves or found a way to play together. On paper, there's too much talent on that team to consistently be a 7 or 8 seed and at some point, they'll likely jump into the top 4.

(Note.... For the record, I still don't think the Knicks will ever win a title with Melo as their best player. I don't think teams can succeed in the postseason with Melo as a No. 1 because of his style of offensive play and his poor defense)

WadeKobe
05-11-2012, 12:13 PM
I mean regardless of the opponent, that's a pretty cocky statement right there LOL...

It's hyperbole. I'm sorry, you probably deal with other Heat fans like justinim on a regular basis. I'm sorry, I'm not them. I don't troll around and fap to the Heat on PSD. In fact, I hate homers, and most Heat fans on this site, particularly those who cannot spell "Heat" without using ALL CAPS.

So, to explain, it was hyperbole. I chose to tell the truth (Knicks stood no chance at beating us, much less taking us to 7, regardless of their situation), in a way that was over-the-top in a way commensurate with the absurdity displayed by the Knicks fans.

kdspurman
05-11-2012, 12:17 PM
It's hyperbole. I'm sorry, you probably deal with other Heat fans like justinim on a regular basis. I'm sorry, I'm not them. I don't troll around and fap to the Heat on PSD. In fact, I hate homers, and most Heat fans on this site, particularly those who cannot spell "Heat" without using ALL CAPS.

So, to explain, it was hyperbole. I chose to tell the truth (Knicks stood no chance at beating us, much less taking us to 7, regardless of their situation), in a way that was over-the-top in a way commensurate with the absurdity displayed by the Knicks fans.

Your right, a bunch can definitely make the whole fan base look bad.

I respect that tho.. :cheers:

WadeKobe
05-11-2012, 12:19 PM
You guys seriously need to get over yourselves. I'm in no way a Knicks or Heat fan, and I'm openly rooting for the Heat to win a ring for Lebron this season, but these statements are just over the top. The Knicks are a pretty good basketball team that is CERTAINLY relevant in the NBA because of the history of the franchise, their market, their venue and their stars. While I don't think the Knicks were ever a legit contender this season, that doesn't mean they couldn't be in the immediate future if they made a couple of moves or found a way to play together. On paper, there's too much talent on that team to consistently be a 7 or 8 seed and at some point, they'll likely jump into the top 4.

(Note.... For the record, I still don't think the Knicks will ever win a title with Melo as their best player. I don't think teams can succeed in the postseason with Melo as a No. 1 because of his style of offensive play and his poor defense)

I'm sorry. For me, if you're not a contender, you're irrelevant. That isn't said to slight anyone. It applies to my White Sox and my Dolphins, and did for my Heat for much of our history until recently. Therefore, when i say they're irrelevant, it is specifically intended to cut down the nonsense that assumes a bad team is relevant just because of where they play. That's the kind of attitude that makes Knick fans unbearable on this Forum. You are not relevant just because you're in New York. You're losers right now. It is what it is. The same is true for my Dolphins, and it isn't an insult in any way.

As far as talent, the Knicks actually don't have that much. They have a chucker, a PF who doesn't rebound, a PG who has little history in the NBA, and only their two top players don't play any defense. It's a poorly constructed team.

Stinkyoutsider
05-11-2012, 12:20 PM
Nah, I can't say the 6ers tanked at all. Every playoff team took time to rest banged up or worn out players this season, especially with it being short and condensed. Shoot, we rested some guys too (Bulls) but the 76ers were just a better team this series. Injuries are a part of the game so Philly earned the victory.

Honestly, I don't think anyone wants to have a first round matchup with the Heat, but I don't think the 6ers cared who they really did match up against. Those comments from Turner don't mean much? After all, why wouldn't Turner want to play the Bulls? He's a Chicago guy who would like to knock them off. A competitor...

ManRam
05-11-2012, 12:24 PM
Resting does not equal tanking...

Swashcuff
05-11-2012, 12:39 PM
Because MIL was directly on your ***** and you were treading the fine line between tanking and not falling out of the playoffs. The second MIL lost a couple game in a row, you guys sent everyone to the bench.

Dude are you serious. So we RESTED our starters after securing a spot in the post season since they were broken down. How on earth could anyone call that tanking?

This guy seriously said there is a fine line between tanking and not falling out of the playoffs and was serious about it :laugh2: We played poorly down the stretch. Do you think that was on purpose as well? :laugh2:

You guys never even paid attention to the 76ers which is evident by your posts. We still played our starters even AFTER locking up a post season berth so what are you talking about when the Bucks started losing we sent players to the bench?

2-ONE-5
05-11-2012, 12:41 PM
ohh man this is halarious. wonder if the OP knows that the Knicks won the same day the Sixers "tanked" vs. Detroit...

he mad that we advanced and his poor Knickerbockers were embarrassed.

dont worry we will send you a postcard from Boston too

kdspurman
05-11-2012, 12:43 PM
ohh man this is halarious. wonder if the OP knows that the Knicks won the same day the Sixers "tanked" vs. Detroit...

he mad that we advanced and his poor Knickerbockers were embarrassed.

dont worry we will send you a postcard from Boston too

I'd think you should feel very fortunate on the events that happened in your series :) Congrats on advancing

Donuts365
05-11-2012, 01:03 PM
he said the heat will run thru celtics lmaooo and a healthy knicks team will lose in 4

Donuts365
05-11-2012, 01:03 PM
mabe 5

mightybosstone
05-11-2012, 01:07 PM
I'm sorry. For me, if you're not a contender, you're irrelevant. That isn't said to slight anyone. It applies to my White Sox and my Dolphins, and did for my Heat for much of our history until recently. Therefore, when i say they're irrelevant, it is specifically intended to cut down the nonsense that assumes a bad team is relevant just because of where they play. That's the kind of attitude that makes Knick fans unbearable on this Forum. You are not relevant just because you're in New York. You're losers right now. It is what it is. The same is true for my Dolphins, and it isn't an insult in any way.
I'd argue that any team in the top 4 of their conference or any team capable of making a major first round upset is relevant. When the Grizzlies upset the Spurs last season or the Warriors upset the Mavs a few years ago, those teams became relevant by completely changing the shape of the Western Conference postseason. Even last year, the Mavs weren't really considered contenders heading into the postseason, but they won the whole freaking thing, so the idea of a "contender" is completely subjective...


As far as talent, the Knicks actually don't have that much. They have a chucker, a PF who doesn't rebound, a PG who has little history in the NBA, and only their two top players don't play any defense. It's a poorly constructed team.
I agree they have some issues on their roster and I'm personally not much of a Melo fan, but to say they don't have much talent is ludicrous. You could argue they have three top 30-40 players, but they just don't fit together well. They need to move Melo or Stoudemire and look to get someone who is more of a two-way player at SF/PF.

For example, suppose they deal Stoudemire to shed some cap and use the space to sign KG to a two or three year deal (he's an UFA this season). Imagine what that one change would do for the franchise. You can't tell me that a core of Lin, Shumpert, Melo, KG, Chandler isn't a top 4 team in the East.

oak2455
05-11-2012, 01:12 PM
Nets Tank every year and looked what happened ;)

MTL_123
05-11-2012, 01:13 PM
ohh man this is halarious. wonder if the OP knows that the Knicks won the same day the Sixers "tanked" vs. Detroit...

he mad that we advanced and his poor Knickerbockers were embarrassed.

dont worry we will send you a postcard from Boston too

This

WadeKobe
05-11-2012, 01:16 PM
I'd argue that any team in the top 4 of their conference or any team capable of making a major first round upset is relevant. When the Grizzlies upset the Spurs last season or the Warriors upset the Mavs a few years ago, those teams became relevant by completely changing the shape of the Western Conference postseason. Even last year, the Mavs weren't really considered contenders heading into the postseason, but they won the whole freaking thing, so the idea of a "contender" is completely subjective...

I agree with all of this. Therefore, to explain my statement, I would say that none of this applies to the New York Knicks this year. The same way none of it applies to my Miami Dolphins.



I agree they have some issues on their roster and I'm personally not much of a Melo fan, but to say they don't have much talent is ludicrous. You could argue they have three top 30-40 players, but they just don't fit together well. They need to move Melo or Stoudemire and look to get someone who is more of a two-way player at SF/PF.

I'm not convinced that three top-40 players qualifies as having a very talented roster. That doesn't get you into top-5 or 6 team in your conference. That's my opinion at least.



For example, suppose they deal Stoudemire to shed some cap and use the space to sign KG to a two or three year deal (he's an UFA this season). Imagine what that one change would do for the franchise. You can't tell me that a core of Lin, Shumpert, Melo, KG, Chandler isn't a top 4 team in the East.

It depends on how good Lin really is. We have a tiny sample size. It also depends on how Shumpert develops, and also what that knee means.

Also, all of this assumes dealing Amare is a possibility. I would disagree with that premise. He has a fat contract and no one else is going to want that with the way he's played so far, especially when the importance of defense in this league continues to prove itself and Amare continues to prove he doesn't get it.

ManRam
05-11-2012, 01:21 PM
"Yeah! Let's tank for half the season so we face the Bulls in the first round!"

Anyone who seriously believes that was their mindset is out of their own mind. They had some legit rough patches, then once they clinched they rested their guys, and they "caught a break" in that the Bulls didn't end up being the best team in the East like they looked most of the season...

mightybosstone
05-11-2012, 01:27 PM
I agree with all of this. Therefore, to explain my statement, I would say that none of this applies to the New York Knicks this year. The same way none of it applies to my Miami Dolphins.
Agreed, but they could have potentially been relevant had they stayed healthy. That does appear to a problem with this team, though, and I don't think they'll ever have a season with this core group of guys where they have the same starting five for 80%+ of a season.


I'm not convinced that three top-40 players qualifies as having a very talented roster. That doesn't get you into top-5 or 6 team in your conference. That's my opinion at least.
I think there are very few clubs that could tout having three top 40 guys. The Heat, Thunder, Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, Hawks and Grizzlies probably fit into that category. You might make a case for the Pacers depending on your opinion of West.

But there's talent on the Knicks roster outside of those three. Lin clearly played well in his time starting, Shumpert has a lot of potential, and guys like Fields, Novak and Smith could play a role on a contending team. I think there's a contending roster somewhere in the mess of the New York Knicks, but it's going to be up to a good GM and a great coach to find it.


Also, all of this assumes dealing Amare is a possibility. I would disagree with that premise. He has a fat contract and no one else is going to want that with the way he's played so far, especially when the importance of defense in this league continues to prove itself and Amare continues to prove he doesn't get it.
Yeah, it's unfortunate they used the amnesty on Billups, because saving it for Amare could have saved the franchise. But the Knicks MIGHT get lucky by dealing Amare to a team desperately looking for some scoring or a roster shakeup to drive up attendance. I don't know if there's a team out there willing to take that contract, but they need to examine every possibility.

WAYNEBO
05-11-2012, 01:46 PM
Idiots posting about what million-dollar babies are trying to ultimately do?? No one wins respect or a championship in the 1st round people. Knicks lost... get over it. We all knew they were done w/ 2 starters out and their backup PG broken -- valiant effort and a little bit of progress from last year (LOL). Regroup -- sign Ray Ray and/or Nash in the offseason and let's get this!

In the meantime... Congrats Sixers for beating the #1 Bulls (and shutting up those fukin annoying fans) and winning your first playoff series in like a decade. After the expectations and disappointments w/ the Eagles and Phillies, the team, city and fans deserve this!! I'll be rooting for them to go all the way to the finals -- Jrue and Evan are starting to show their high draft status... that white boy center is ballin.

Blitzbolt
05-11-2012, 01:54 PM
We tank last year and beat the Spurs and I was really mad about it at first because we had the MAVS with the 6th seat which at the time look like a better matchup then the Spurs.

Mr Costanza
05-11-2012, 06:49 PM
The OP is well known for making dumb threads like this and has been banned in the knick forum multiple times. He in no way represents the way the Knick fans on this site.

Notice very few came in and commented. The majority of this thread was actually wade>Kobe ? pounding his chest about how good the Heat are this year.