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mdm692
05-10-2012, 09:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7916347/new-york-knicks-mike-woodson-says-team-absolutely-re-sign-guard-jeremy-lin

Finally a reliable source with an actually connection to the front office so knicks I apologize but lets cross you off the Nash sweepstakes.

thekmp211
05-10-2012, 09:29 PM
well to be frank this says nothing about nash, and woodson is vague about whether lin will start or not. he would obviously start over every other PG on the roster currently so it makes you wonder. i have half a mind to sell high on lin the basketball player, but you just can't not sign him after last season. it's the right move.

Giannis94
05-10-2012, 09:30 PM
Its best for him to stay in a big market to get all the attention. Remeber Yi in Milwaukee? He was always on the sideline looking like he was about ready to kill someone.......

More-Than-Most
05-10-2012, 09:33 PM
I am not worried about the kincks then... Especially if they over pay to keep him.

mdm692
05-10-2012, 09:34 PM
well to be frank this says nothing about nash, and woodson is vague about whether lin will start or not. he would obviously start over every other PG on the roster currently so it makes you wonder. i have half a mind to sell high on lin the basketball player, but you just can't not sign him after last season. it's the right move.

Yes and I see your point which is valid but the reason I say no to nash in NY is because he wont go to a team to be a back up. He needs to be a starter he is easily top 6-7 pg as of right now and needs to be starting. Obviously if Lin is resigned he will be the future and will be starting. I dont mean to bait or disrespect the fan base but its just tiresome at times, not as much as HEAT fans "ASSURING" that nash will sign there but still.

Giannis94
05-10-2012, 09:35 PM
I am not worried about the kincks then... Especially if they over pay to keep him.

x2

flatbush knicks
05-10-2012, 09:36 PM
lol how does woody know who is coming back next year when he might not be back himself lol

ManRam
05-10-2012, 09:38 PM
Yeah...I'll declare it when it happens. Woody is the coach...a coach who's not even guaranteed a job.

Donuts365
05-10-2012, 09:39 PM
good start now lets get jason terry

Gators123
05-10-2012, 09:39 PM
I'm tempted to make a thread about Nash going to NY.

iam brett favre
05-10-2012, 09:42 PM
Anyone else think Nash is going to NY?

ne3xchamps
05-10-2012, 09:45 PM
I am not worried about the kincks then... Especially if they over pay to keep him.

You hit the nail right on the head there man. :clap:

lakersfan01
05-10-2012, 09:51 PM
It wouldn't be the Knicks if they didn't make stupid decisions. They poor decisions continue with not being interested in Phil Jackson and Steve Nash :laugh2: James Dolan lol

Mr Costanza
05-10-2012, 09:57 PM
http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m231/jalen_sabean/?action=view&current=nashknicks.jpg&newest=1

This all but confirms it ;)

oak2455
05-10-2012, 10:05 PM
http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m231/jalen_sabean/?action=view&current=nashknicks.jpg&newest=1

This all but confirms it ;)

I just seen him land at JFK:D:D:D:p

Mr Costanza
05-10-2012, 10:08 PM
I just seen him land at JFK:D:D:D:p

Dolan offered the vet min, free Cablevison and Newsday for life, and game 7 ranger tickets. Done deal.

Jarvo
05-10-2012, 10:20 PM
Nash doesn't want to go to NY lol he won't win there imo

ball4reel
05-10-2012, 10:25 PM
Why didnt you tell us you talked to Nash and he told you this, We could have closed this thread long time ago,,Sheesh

SluggeR
05-10-2012, 10:38 PM
Yes and I see your point which is valid but the reason I say no to nash in NY is because he wont go to a team to be a back up. He needs to be a starter he is easily top 6-7 pg as of right now and needs to be starting. Obviously if Lin is resigned he will be the future and will be starting. I dont mean to bait or disrespect the fan base but its just tiresome at times, not as much as HEAT fans "ASSURING" that nash will sign there but still.

If the Knicks re-sign Lin and Nash chooses to be a Knick..NASH WILL START.

NYK4L
05-10-2012, 10:49 PM
You don't like knicks post. Why make another?

Hugbees
05-10-2012, 10:51 PM
op sounds mad

Gram
05-10-2012, 10:51 PM
Lol Knicks.

thekmp211
05-10-2012, 11:28 PM
lin isn't top 6-7 .. not a knock on him but with the talent at the position he's right around middle of the pack, which is a quality player these days.

flatbush knicks
05-10-2012, 11:38 PM
ok everybody is acting like if we dont sign nash its the end of the world we good either way we still got melo and have other options but with that said im a huge nash fan and i just want to see him go there and bring amare back from the dead

KNICKS R BACK
05-10-2012, 11:54 PM
I am not worried about the kincks then... Especially if they over pay to keep him.

lol thats funny considering there isnt a team in the nba worried about the lowly sixers

KNICKS R BACK
05-10-2012, 11:56 PM
jeremy lin sucks though, the only reason he'll be brought back is because hes a huge cash cow and greedy dolan wants to keep his hands deep into the clueless oriental fan base's pockets

ManRam
05-11-2012, 12:10 AM
The most he can get from the Knicks is 5 million in the first year...that's the highest offer sheet a team in their cap situation can pay.

Other teams under the cap can obviously offer more. I still don't think it's a slam dunk. If a team can offer more money, why wouldn't a young guy just take it? I don't though...who knows his priorities.

sixer04fan
05-11-2012, 12:13 AM
Dynasty

gwrighter
05-11-2012, 12:59 AM
OP Knows

torocan
05-11-2012, 01:04 AM
Don't be so sure that the Knicks can keep Lin.

I can easily see the Nets shafting the Knicks hard with a big offer on him.

If they get him, they gut the Knicks PG position, steal the spotlight, sell tickets and merchandise, and raise their global profile at the same time, all with a limited impact on their Cap space.

If the Knicks match, they end up with huge salary cap hits in year 3 and 4.


For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $9.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the four seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary. The player's original team is allowed to use any available exception (e.g., the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level or the Early Bird) to match the offer.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

So, let's say the Nets offered something like this....

Year 1 : $5m
Year 2 : $5m
Year 3 : $12m
Year 4 : $14m

This total contract is $36m, or $9m per year.

The Nets would need $9m per year in cap space, and every year would count as $9m against their cap, regardless of the actual amount paid.

The Knicks would take a cap hit of the ACTUAL SALARY. In other words, in year 3 they would have $12m on the books, and $14m on the books in year 4 in terms of their cap space.

It's win/win for a team like the Nets. They get a decent PG with lots of financial benefits, and if they don't, the Knicks are shafted for at least 2 years in terms of cap space making them less competitive.

It's quite possible the Knicks blink if there's an offer like that on the table.

thekmp211
05-11-2012, 01:21 AM
^^^ the other thing with lin is that his brand, whatever it is exactly we aren't sure yet, is really valuable. just not neccesarily to a team like the knicks, a brand in their own right. small and mid market teams would throw all sorts of money at him, because the revenue stream he would bring in wearing their jersey would no doubt trump anything that they could pay him under the cba. in that sense he is actually literally more valuable to certain teams and they will offer more as a result.

it should be really interesting to watch develop.

Blitzace137
05-11-2012, 01:45 AM
^^^ the other thing with lin is that his brand, whatever it is exactly we aren't sure yet, is really valuable. just not neccesarily to a team like the knicks, a brand in their own right. small and mid market teams would throw all sorts of money at him, because the revenue stream he would bring in wearing their jersey would no doubt trump anything that they could pay him under the cba. in that sense he is actually literally more valuable to certain teams and they will offer more as a result.

it should be really interesting to watch develop.

He may not be as valuable to the Knicks compared too a small market teams but make no mistake he still brings in a huge chunk of money for the knicks word wide. Knicks merchandise sales in China has increased greatly.

We also captured a huge Asian Fan base at MSG stocks have increased. At the end of the day NBA is a business and if I'm Dolan no way I let Lin walk.

Even if I have to back load his contract because knicks will have no cap relief regardless due to Amare, Melo, and Tyson. I'm fine with it because Lin in my opinion will develop into a solid PG.

Jeff559
05-11-2012, 01:58 AM
If Nash is willing to sign for the MLE, New York does make a lot of sense. I think he would positively change the dynamic of the team, and maybe make them a 3 seed.

thekmp211
05-11-2012, 02:03 AM
He may not be as valuable to the Knicks compared too a small market teams but make no mistake he still brings in a huge chunk of money for the knicks word wide. Knicks merchandise sales in China has increased greatly.

We also captured a huge Asian Fan base at MSG stocks have increased. At the end of the day NBA is a business and if I'm Dolan no way I let Lin walk.

Even if I have to back load his contract because knicks will have no cap relief regardless due to Amare, Melo, and Tyson. I'm fine with it because Lin in my opinion will develop into a solid PG.

that's all true. i guess what i'm saying is that if and when his play becomes pedestrian, and the buzz dissipates, it's hard to know where his "true" value lies.

i still do think they will keep him for the reasons you mentioned, as well as their need for a good young pg. even with nash, i'd keep lin around and let him learn from the best.

Blitzace137
05-11-2012, 02:27 AM
that's all true. i guess what i'm saying is that if and when his play becomes pedestrian, and the buzz dissipates, it's hard to know where his "true" value lies.

i still do think they will keep him for the reasons you mentioned, as well as their need for a good young pg. even with nash, i'd keep lin around and let him learn from the best.

Listen in a perfect world I would Love both of them but the chances of that happening is very slim. Kinda like how Aron Rodgers watched learned from Farve and Now is dominating. Actually Goran Dragic the same learned from Nash and now is a solid player.

First year Lin would back up Nash and pretty much be there 6th man can also play some combo guard with Nash out there.

Second year same thing but Nash is a bit older so Lin's minutes increase

By year 3 Lin will be starting being 26 years old with Nash as the back-up being 42years of age. By then I could see Lin averaging 16-18ppg, 8-10assist with 3-4 reb plus over 1 steal a game. This is what I would love in a perfect world.

Blitzace137
05-11-2012, 02:33 AM
If Nash is willing to sign for the MLE, New York does make a lot of sense. I think he would positively change the dynamic of the team, and maybe make them a 3 seed.

They could be a 3-4 seed with Lin the east is not that great it's top heavy. I see the standing being

Miami
Chicago
knicks/Nets
Pacers
Nets/Knicks(If they get howard, Knicks and Nets could possibly flip-flop then)
Celtics/Hawks/Philadelphia

kobemelo
05-11-2012, 02:40 AM
lol how does woody know who is coming back next year when he might not be back himself lol

This. Not to mention it's Nash aka Mr. get the best out of Stat.

Trueblue2
05-11-2012, 03:12 AM
Yes and I see your point which is valid but the reason I say no to nash in NY is because he wont go to a team to be a back up. He needs to be a starter he is easily top 6-7 pg as of right now and needs to be starting. Obviously if Lin is resigned he will be the future and will be starting. I dont mean to bait or disrespect the fan base but its just tiresome at times, not as much as HEAT fans "ASSURING" that nash will sign there but still.


:facepalm:
You don't think Nash would start over Lin???

kobemelo
05-11-2012, 03:43 AM
:facepalm:
You don't think Nash would start over Lin???

loll

Evolution23
05-11-2012, 05:57 AM
The most he can get from the Knicks is 5 million in the first year...that's the highest offer sheet a team in their cap situation can pay.

Other teams under the cap can obviously offer more. I still don't think it's a slam dunk. If a team can offer more money, why wouldn't a young guy just take it? I don't though...who knows his priorities.

He's getting paid by endorsements already. He just singed a huge deal with Volvo.

bholly
05-11-2012, 06:56 AM
Saying 'it is not happening' with certainty is just as bad as the people who say someone is going somewhere with certainty.
We don't know what is happening. Stop pretending like we do. There isn't some secret code to crack where you can read between the lines of what these people said and figure it out, because even they don't know. At this point, baseless speculation is about as reliable as anything else.

Weezy
05-11-2012, 08:04 AM
Saying 'it is not happening' with certainty is just as bad as the people who say someone is going somewhere with certainty.
We don't know what is happening. Stop pretending like we do. There isn't some secret code to crack where you can read between the lines of what these people said and figure it out, because even they don't know. At this point, baseless speculation is about as reliable as anything else.

Good post :up:

No one knows what will happen especially an interim coach :pity: July 1st can it come sooner?

MagicBucsSox
05-11-2012, 08:18 AM
Lin will stay in ny.......but as a BROOKLYN NET!!! Book it I said it. If deron leaves Lin will be a net. They won't worry about overpaying they'll make 100x more off of him

C_Mund
05-11-2012, 08:23 AM
Anyone else think Nash is going to NY?

haha, yep. You know what we need regarding that theory? threads.

nate2usmc
05-11-2012, 08:25 AM
Saying 'it is not happening' with certainty is just as bad as the people who say someone is going somewhere with certainty.
We don't know what is happening. Stop pretending like we do. There isn't some secret code to crack where you can read between the lines of what these people said and figure it out, because even they don't know. At this point, baseless speculation is about as reliable as anything else.

This.

Realistically, Nash isn't going to end up in NY. The chances of him going to Toronto, Miami or staying in Phoenix (rumored to be prepared to give Nash $10 mil a yr) are much higher than him going to NY with a full MLE. He would not get a chip in NY anytime soon with the current holes and minimal flexibility (after he signs for full MLE) the Knicks will have.

Jumi
05-11-2012, 09:44 AM
Nash to Chicago! D Rose is not gonna be ready to start the season. Nash starts then when D Rose is ready to go, he slides into the backup role. The Bulls bench can function like a second team with Nash running the point and the Bulls keep winning while waiting on Rose to get healthy! It makes too much sense if Nash wants a legit shot at a title without the drama!!

torocan
05-11-2012, 10:27 AM
He's getting paid by endorsements already. He just singed a huge deal with Volvo.

Don't assume his Volvo deal is THAT huge.

Lin's Nike deal is estimated to be worth between $2-4m. Compare this with Tiger Woods' 5 year $200m deal, or Roger Federer's 8 year $130m.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20120417000001&cid=1504

So while Lin is most likely making millions in endorsements, his endorsements are MUCH more likely to be in the $1-5m million per endorsement range than the millions upon millions we're used to seeing for established Superstars.

Business owners aren't completely stupid. They recognize his market and brand value, but none of them are going to commit very long-term until they get a better handle on what his future is going to be like.

In that context, the Idea of leaving $5-$10m on the table is ALOT less appealing than if he were making tens of millions of dollars already. So while Lin may want to stay with the Knicks, don't expect him to leave too much on the table, especially if we're talking millions upon millions.

DenButsu
05-11-2012, 01:53 PM
I'm fine w/ no Nash to NY AS LONG AS WE GET MORE THREADS WITH ALL CAPS THREAD TITLES WHICH MAKE THEM EASIER TO READ.

2-ONE-5
05-11-2012, 02:03 PM
u sure this source is reliable bcuz ESPN just reported on Sportscenter that Lin said he would like to go back to NY but but realizes this is a business...hardly sounds like hes def coming back.. that said I could care less cuz hes garbage

nycsports2
05-11-2012, 02:09 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7916347/new-york-knicks-mike-woodson-says-team-absolutely-re-sign-guard-jeremy-lin

Finally a reliable source with an actually connection to the front office so knicks I apologize but lets cross you off the Nash sweepstakes.

fine by me i know were keeping lin... great news lol

nycsports2
05-11-2012, 02:10 PM
u sure this source is reliable bcuz ESPN just reported on Sportscenter that Lin said he would like to go back to NY but but realizes this is a business...hardly sounds like hes def coming back.. that said I could care less cuz hes garbage

:laugh:

nate2usmc
05-11-2012, 03:26 PM
u sure this source is reliable bcuz ESPN just reported on Sportscenter that Lin said he would like to go back to NY but but realizes this is a business...hardly sounds like hes def coming back.. that said I could care less cuz hes garbage

Yea I'd take Mike Bibby over Lin anyday of the week. Actually Starbury is better than his garbage asss. Matter of fact, Steve Francis right now is better than him. Even betta, I'd take you over him as PG.

Blitzace137
05-11-2012, 03:29 PM
Yea I'd take Mike Bibby over Lin anyday of the week. Actually Starbury is better than his garbage asss. Matter of fact, Steve Francis right now is better than him. Even betta, I'd take you over him as PG.

Lol :laugh:

smith&wesson
05-11-2012, 03:36 PM
Lin s&t while his value is up would be the smarthest thing to do.

carmelo needs a supporting cast. players who can play off the ball. you cant have a dominant ball handler on the floor while melo is your star player the only time it ever did was with billups. billups is a proven winner, a vet with a really high ball iq who plays solid d, and can spread the floor with range. not comparable to lin.

lin and melo will never work. again smartest thing for new york to do is sign and trade while lins value is still high.

meloman1592
05-11-2012, 03:39 PM
yea i'd take mike bibby over lin anyday of the week. Actually starbury is better than his garbage asss. Matter of fact, steve francis right now is better than him. Even betta, i'd take you over him as pg.

lmfao

specialiststeve
05-11-2012, 04:22 PM
My guess is that Nash stays in Phoenix and Linn joins him and they can split time and Linn takes over when Nash is done. If Nash leaves look for them to go HARD after Linn as he is basically a Nash carbon copy in the pick and roll.

My guess is Nash goes to LA and Linn goes to Phoenix to do the Run and Gun show Nash has done for years. Best fit for him - more stats - more cash.

Blitzace137
05-11-2012, 05:09 PM
My guess is that Nash stays in Phoenix and Linn joins him and they can split time and Linn takes over when Nash is done. If Nash leaves look for them to go HARD after Linn as he is basically a Nash carbon copy in the pick and roll.

My guess is Nash goes to LA and Linn goes to Phoenix to do the Run and Gun show Nash has done for years. Best fit for him - more stats - more cash.

What? and who do the knicks get ?

nate2usmc
05-11-2012, 05:25 PM
What? and who do the knicks get ?

Aaron Brooks and a bag of Sun Chips. The Cheddar Kind.

Blitzace137
05-11-2012, 05:29 PM
Aaron Brooks and a bag of Sun Chips. The Cheddar Kind.

:eyebrow: :facepalm:

torocan
05-11-2012, 05:51 PM
Lin s&t while his value is up would be the smarthest thing to do.

carmelo needs a supporting cast. players who can play off the ball. you cant have a dominant ball handler on the floor while melo is your star player the only time it ever did was with billups. billups is a proven winner, a vet with a really high ball iq who plays solid d, and can spread the floor with range. not comparable to lin.

lin and melo will never work. again smartest thing for new york to do is sign and trade while lins value is still high.

Sorry, the CBA does NOT allow you to do that.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88 - section 88

•The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
•The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
•The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 43).
•Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1.
•Starting in 2013-14, the team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.
•The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
•The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or the Disabled Player exception...

The Knicks either Sign him, match an offer, or let him walk. If they want to trade him later on, they can.

nycsports2
05-11-2012, 05:54 PM
Lin s&t while his value is up would be the smarthest thing to do.

carmelo needs a supporting cast. players who can play off the ball. you cant have a dominant ball handler on the floor while melo is your star player the only time it ever did was with billups. billups is a proven winner, a vet with a really high ball iq who plays solid d, and can spread the floor with range. not comparable to lin.

lin and melo will never work. again smartest thing for new york to do is sign and trade while lins value is still high.

to the raptors? for 3 basketballs? :D

2-ONE-5
05-11-2012, 06:12 PM
Aaron Brooks and a bag of Sun Chips. The Cheddar Kind.

Suns would be getting robbed

Blitzace137
05-11-2012, 06:26 PM
Suns would be getting robbed

yeah they would be getting robbed right when there profiting millions :facepalm:

oak2455
05-11-2012, 06:28 PM
Aaron Brooks and a bag of Sun Chips. The Cheddar Kind.

Your making some funny post:clap:

strahan92osi72
05-11-2012, 06:39 PM
I don't want Nash anyway, he's like 50 years old. Stick with a young future star like Lin instead.

2-ONE-5
05-11-2012, 06:48 PM
50 year old Nash > Lin

sofa_king_great
05-11-2012, 06:50 PM
Your making some funny post:clap:

oh my
who is that in your sig :speechless:

Blitzace137
05-12-2012, 02:04 AM
50 year old Nash > Lin

Your comparing a first year player to a HOF how about you shut up watch Lin's career unfold and his body of work then judge hater :facepalm:

JayW_1023
05-12-2012, 06:07 AM
What Lin did this year was great but better than a backup point guard on a good team? Nah.