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Avenged
05-05-2012, 01:06 PM
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(Series Tied 1-1)


Memphis Grizzlies @ Los Angeles Clippers
Saturday, May 5.
4:30pm ET
National Channel: ESPN, ESPN 3





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Iron24th
05-05-2012, 01:23 PM
Could be a very competitive game,I pick the grizz to win this one.

kdspurman
05-05-2012, 01:45 PM
If true... Dude is nuts! Ballsy for sure.

"Caron Butler will be in the starting lineup Saturday for the Clippers in Game 3 of the playoffs against the Memphis Grizzlies at Staples Center despite a fractured left hand, said sources who were not authorized to speak publicly on the situation."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-caron-butler-20120505,0,4771585.story

MrfadeawayJB
05-05-2012, 01:54 PM
Big game today. I expect it to be very competitive. If Butler plays that may be a mistake, he is exposing his hand to further injury. I hope the Grizz steal one from the Clips so they can reclaim HCA!

DR_1
05-05-2012, 02:00 PM
Come on Grizz! (second favorite team)

felixng2012
05-05-2012, 02:46 PM
Definitely the most interesting first round series. Lets see how much home cooking there will be.

Dade County
05-05-2012, 03:37 PM
I am really interested in this series right here...

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-05-2012, 03:40 PM
Will be a very fun game to watch. Clipper home games are really exciting. I'm just contemplating to see the game on FSN or ESPN. FSN will give me a lot of BIIIIIIINGOOOOOSSS & OH ME OH MY!

Chacarron
05-05-2012, 04:38 PM
Will be a very fun game to watch. Clipper home games are really exciting. I'm just contemplating to see the game on FSN or ESPN. FSN will give me a lot of BIIIIIIINGOOOOOSSS & OH ME OH MY!

Ralph Lawler for the mother****ing win!!!

Chris Paul is gonna go HAM.

Punk
05-05-2012, 05:14 PM
Why do the T-shirts look magenta and not red?

Cracka2HI!
05-05-2012, 05:18 PM
Pretty good first quarter. This time it seems like good defense is leading to the low score rather than poor offense.

kdspurman
05-05-2012, 05:21 PM
Come on Grizz get it together

Punk
05-05-2012, 05:32 PM
The Grizzlies look uninterested

gotoHcarolina52
05-05-2012, 05:50 PM
Rading Gasol's lips it looked like he pointed at the ref after that call and yelled, "Man, you suck"

DR_1
05-05-2012, 05:53 PM
Lots of crappy calls in this game

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 05:53 PM
Ok So blake gets no T and Spreiths does.

NFLNBA
05-05-2012, 05:54 PM
CP3 with the double backflip summersauly flop, then he mouths off first and Spieghts gets the T for talking back lol must be nice to be CP3, Lebron, Wade ect

Jarvo
05-05-2012, 05:56 PM
Flop City Trick, Flop, Flop City Trick

gotoHcarolina52
05-05-2012, 06:01 PM
:laugh: and :pity: all in one

5ass
05-05-2012, 06:02 PM
that was nasty. Get out the way speights!

MrfadeawayJB
05-05-2012, 06:04 PM
well for as bad as the grizz played its not bad to be down a few...but hey, if the officials stop calling flops in the second half the grizz can open it up on these guys

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 06:15 PM
speights is top 10
















low iq players lol

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:18 PM
I can take that last blunder and turn it into motivation. Hope Lionel is doing that right now!
Not feeling too bad about our chances except that touch foul call that sent Paul to the line with 2.3 sec to go was pretty iffy.
If the striped boys start allowing that, then it will end predictively.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:22 PM
Poor shot selection and little D right now

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:23 PM
Randolph looking better each game

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:24 PM
Need a little early OJ.....as long as he protects the ball

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:26 PM
Looks more like early Speights

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:30 PM
Rudy!!!!!!!! You got to make those!

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:31 PM
Hey !!! We got a flop!

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 06:31 PM
nice flop

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:32 PM
YES!!! And 1

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:33 PM
Spread eagle jump is as ugly as a flop

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 06:34 PM
Grit and Grind!!lets go grizz.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:36 PM
Yes, Blitz, this is our style of ball
Keep it consistent Grizz

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:40 PM
5 point swing there

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:43 PM
Glad to see Rudy waking up

MrfadeawayJB
05-05-2012, 06:45 PM
Close out strong guys!

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 06:45 PM
Nick young has hit like 1000 3s this series.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:48 PM
Ok OJ.......need to make those

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:48 PM
Nick young has hit like 1000 3s this series.

Yeah, but you live by the 3, you die by the 3

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:49 PM
And missed FT's suck big time

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:50 PM
HAHA glad to see them hold the ball THAT 2 seconds

MrfadeawayJB
05-05-2012, 06:51 PM
We got a Josh Selby sighting :laugh2:

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 06:53 PM
Clippers most comebacks this year.

Grizzlies suck I keeping leads.

:(

gotoHcarolina52
05-05-2012, 06:55 PM
Mayo with only 6 points on 1-8 shooting? That cannot be! I thought today was Cinco de OJ Mayo :confused:

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:55 PM
Keep the faith...you know they'll make this run

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 06:56 PM
Mayo with only 6 points on 1-7 shooting? That cannot be! I thought today was Cinco de OJ Mayo :confused:

You are right sir!! Let's get some more Juice

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Ready for Gasol to come back in

NYMetros
05-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Go Grizz

shep33
05-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Man, Grizz losing this lead fast. Gotta pick it up. Get Gasol back in there Hollins wtf?

MrfadeawayJB
05-05-2012, 07:02 PM
Mayo could still have a huge 4th qtr. He has made a habit of being a "closer"

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:03 PM
Yep; ready for Marc and OJ to come back
DO YOU HEAR ME LIONEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:09 PM
Lionel must like QPon in there for Paul

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:10 PM
What a Bull **** call

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:10 PM
nice flop

Punk
05-05-2012, 07:10 PM
Wow, epic flop by Blake.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:10 PM
Flop city at its finest

gotoHcarolina52
05-05-2012, 07:10 PM
Turrible call

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:12 PM
agree TURRIBLE

ChiSox219
05-05-2012, 07:12 PM
great d

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 07:12 PM
What a Flop Marc Gasol 5 fouls.

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:13 PM
griffin is missing all the easy ones

Punk
05-05-2012, 07:14 PM
LMAO what is going on

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:15 PM
ZBo ! COme on man

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:16 PM
Put Marc back in Lionel !!!

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Rudy needs to FOCUS

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:18 PM
LIONEL !!!!!! Put Marc back in !

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:18 PM
great game

NYMetros
05-05-2012, 07:20 PM
Epic game.

gotoHcarolina52
05-05-2012, 07:21 PM
I like how both the Mavs and Clippers are using identical playoff slogans: "All In"

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 07:21 PM
That foul on Gasol is killing us.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:21 PM
I'll think it's great and epic if the Grizz win :D

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:23 PM
oh my

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:24 PM
girzz meltdown

NYMetros
05-05-2012, 07:24 PM
That's why Chris Paul is the best PG in the game.

Joshtd1
05-05-2012, 07:24 PM
Grizzlies just aren't getting good possessions at the end. Whoever Griffin is guarding they need to go at since he has 5.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:25 PM
Go grizz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LakersMaster24
05-05-2012, 07:25 PM
I wonder how many of those Clippers fans cheered for the Clippers last year :laugh2:

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:27 PM
ova

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:27 PM
Crud

Punk
05-05-2012, 07:27 PM
Great crowd

LakersMaster24
05-05-2012, 07:27 PM
Grizzlies are the biggest chokers in the world :laugh2: This is too sad.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:28 PM
Got outcoached by VDN????????????? Amazing

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:28 PM
pretty awful offense there by the grizz

TheWhiteMamba
05-05-2012, 07:28 PM
Cant believe how bad the Griz have been in the 4th qtr this series.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:31 PM
Gasol and Randolph can't even establish position in the low post. Nobody is setting screens for the guards.I just don't understand it. Gasol is at the top of the key instead of down low. No floor spacing.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:32 PM
That lost in game 1 really hurt the Grizz.

shep33
05-05-2012, 07:33 PM
Memphis turning into the Mavs of years past

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:34 PM
Our 4th quarters should be etched in their brains by Monday
There is NO excuse for this

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:34 PM
ice

TheWhiteMamba
05-05-2012, 07:34 PM
Griz should be up 3-0. Completely choked away 2 games.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:35 PM
Memphis turning into the Mavs of years past

Well, they eventually got their rings though..........so maybe a backhanded compliment

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:36 PM
Now somebody sets a screen. Too little too late.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:37 PM
Gasol clumsy *** fell down.

Punk
05-05-2012, 07:37 PM
Did Gasol just flop on Evan's box out? :laugh2:

TheWhiteMamba
05-05-2012, 07:37 PM
In game 4 Memphis needs to play hack-a-Evans the whole 4th.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:38 PM
Griz should be up 3-0. Completely choked away 2 games.

We should be at least 2-1 and probably 3-0
These guys don't have the killer instinct
Wish I could infuse it in them !!!!!!!!!!

gotoHcarolina52
05-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Holy **** :speechless:

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:39 PM
oh my

blastmasta26
05-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Rudy Gay!!!! Damn.

TheWhiteMamba
05-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Nice shot by Gay. At least will give them a shot to tie it.

Punk
05-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Gay :drool:

Joshtd1
05-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Damn Rudy. If only he shot every shot as if the game was on the line lol

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:40 PM
**** just got real

John Walls Era
05-05-2012, 07:40 PM
If the Grizzlies would go inside to Zbo or Gasol in the 4th, they would never lose the lead.

blastmasta26
05-05-2012, 07:40 PM
I'm neutral towards both teams, so I hope we see overtime.

Joshtd1
05-05-2012, 07:40 PM
Bledsoe is scared

gotoHcarolina52
05-05-2012, 07:40 PM
Ouch

blastmasta26
05-05-2012, 07:40 PM
Missed the first!

gotoHcarolina52
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Wow. Wow. Wow.

NYMetros
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
So close!!!!!!!

Punk
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Holy Crap what a good look

TheWhiteMamba
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Damn. Clips steal another one.

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
why take a 3? they deserve to lose

blastmasta26
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
NOOOOOO I wanted to see that game winner fall so badly.

Joshtd1
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Clips with another last second win. Wow..what a game. Didn't like that play at the end though

Y2JOrdan
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Lol clippers lucked out with those missed free throws

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Yes **** you Bledsoe! lol

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
idiots

John Walls Era
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Down 1... shoot a 3. Thats not a good play. Gay made 2 shots before, but Rudy should've taken a midrange shot.

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
So damn close !!!
2 losses by 2 points
Lucky SOB's

KnicksTape
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
why take a 3? they deserve to lose

Rudy for you :p

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Lmao It happen again.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Gasol had an easy roll to the basket. Didn't want it.

Joshtd1
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Glad the Clips are up. I hope this game goes 7 and continues to be physical. Honestly would rather see the Clips then the Grizz next round.

ayuntalo
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
why is rudy gay so stupid??
he always try to go dramatic hero ball!!
they should have drived it to the basket first..i mean attack!!
whether it be Arenas, Conley or whoever..but just dont settle for that.. damn

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Yes **** you Bledsoe! lol

:confused: bledose ****ed up but memphis is dumb enough to take a 3 when conley had a clear lane to the rim

TheWhiteMamba
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Man if i was a Griz fan i would have broken the **** out of my tv after having to watch them choke away 2 games like that..

Crackadalic
05-05-2012, 07:42 PM
What a fuccin game!!!

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 07:43 PM
Damn, I really don't want Clippers to win this series. It would basically mean that Chris Paul beat Memphis lol

blastmasta26
05-05-2012, 07:43 PM
It is stupid to take a three when you don't need it (I'm looking at you Durant) but I think the Grizz were just pressed for time and tried to get a catch and shoot for Rudy.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 07:44 PM
:confused: bledose ****ed up but memphis is dumb enough to take a 3 when conley had a clear lane to the rim

True. But i knew that would happen. Teams always get confused if they don't have that last time out. With the exception of Lakers of course . But they had a decade of Phil Jacksons coaching to help with that.

TheWhiteMamba
05-05-2012, 07:44 PM
Glad the Clips are up. I hope this game goes 7 and continues to be physical. Honestly would rather see the Clips then the Grizz next round.

Yep. I think SA would handle the CLips in 5, 6 games max.

MrfadeawayJB
05-05-2012, 07:44 PM
damn this one hurts just like game 1...the only good news is that the Clips have not beaten us yet, rather the Grizz have beaten themselves. 1 fg for about 10 mins in the 4th qtr just wont cut it

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 07:45 PM
It sucks because we are so much better then them CP3 is playing 1 on 5 and we lose big leads in the 4th :(.

ayuntalo
05-05-2012, 07:45 PM
damn.. Rudy Gay is a good player but he never learns...
this happened in game 1 too..
should have gotten a better shot

blastmasta26
05-05-2012, 07:45 PM
why is rudy gay so stupid??
he always try to go dramatic hero ball!!
they should have drived it to the basket first..i mean attack!!
whether it be Arenas, Conley or whoever..but just dont settle for that.. damn

Agree, but Rudy did hit two straight contested threes to keep Memphis alive. He was probably feeling like T-Mac out there lol

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:46 PM
Conley was better off taking it all the way. Or passed it to gasol because Evans leaked off of him. They were clearly looking to get the ball to Gay instead.

TheWhiteMamba
05-05-2012, 07:46 PM
Clippers win the game despite shooting 13-30 from the free throw line..crazy..

YouCan'tBeatLA
05-05-2012, 07:46 PM
I love Conley, but what a moron! :facepalm:

shep33
05-05-2012, 07:46 PM
I'd pick sick if I were a Grizz fans. Shouldn't have even come down to that last shot

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:47 PM
Anyways, Grizz take the next one they regain home court.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 07:48 PM
Conley was better off taking it all the way. Or passed it to gasol because Evans leaked off of him. They were clearly looking to get the ball to Gay instead.

He probably would have lost it or got blocked.

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 07:49 PM
We have a Better team they have the better player.

WE CHOKE AKA we Memphis grizzlies it.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:49 PM
He probably would have lost it or got blocked.

Who? Gasol or Conley
Doesn't matter I guess. Either one of them would have did it.LOL

blastmasta26
05-05-2012, 07:50 PM
I thought the Grizz would pull out this series even after the Game 1 loss, but now I'm not so sure. They just don't attack the basket in the 4th when they need to, and they get out hustled at some critical times.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 07:50 PM
Who? Gasol or Conley

Conley. I don't think Gasol would have ****ed up, but Conley would have messed up that pass lol

Blitzbolt
05-05-2012, 07:53 PM
The MEmphis Grizzlies Beat the Memphis grizzlies yet again yay!!!!

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:54 PM
Gasol and Randolph are having a hard time establishing position in the low post. They are simply fronting Randolph and it takes too much time off the clock. The small Clipper guards are sneaking around and knocking the ball out of Gasol's hands. Give Reggie Evans credit, the guy brings energy.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 07:56 PM
I can take this loss a lot more than game 1. LA is supposed to win this game. Memphis was suppose to win game 1. And they pissed it away.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 07:59 PM
I can take this loss a lot more than game 1. LA is supposed to win this game. Memphis was suppose to win game 1. And they pissed it away.

Memphis broke down twice so far in the fourth. It's not a good sign.

dc5jdm
05-05-2012, 08:00 PM
The MEmphis Grizzlies Beat the Memphis grizzlies yet again yay!!!!
Give.the.clippers some credit. Ur team can't hold on too bad too sad

mzgrizz
05-05-2012, 08:03 PM
I believe we did actually beat ourselves twice. Of course the Clips had SOMETHING to do with it, but the games were both ours to lose.
And I love how the Laker fans suddenly love their crosstown rivals !! :laugh:

Avenged
05-05-2012, 08:04 PM
So the Grizzlies are 3-0? :laugh2: they've beaten themselves in this series.

Good job by the Clippers. If the Grizzlies win game 4 HCA goes back to them so they just have to execute better.

Clippersfan86
05-05-2012, 08:06 PM
Grizzlies fans don't exactly seem intelligent. Big time denial. Down 2-1 yet supposedly "Easily better team". Clippers have beaten to u 6 out of 8 times. Time to pull your heads out of your *****. Can't wait to see you clowns pout and act defeated when you go down 3-1 next game.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 08:08 PM
Memphis is a better team, but Clippers clearly have the best leader. This series is pretty much CP3 beating Memphis.

Clippersfan86
05-05-2012, 08:11 PM
Memphis is a better team, but Clippers clearly have the best leader. This series is pretty much CP3 beating Memphis.



Outside of Detroit tell me a team that has won a title without go to star? Deeper team doesn't mean better. Grizzlies are deeper than Miami but they sure as hell aren't better.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 08:14 PM
Outside of Detroit tell me a team that has won a title without go to star? Deeper team doesn't mean better. Grizzlies are deeper than Miami but they sure as hell aren't better.

Spurs. Now i know what you are going to say "Tim Duncan" But, while he's a great player i'm not sure i would classify him as a star. I don't think he would have accomplished as much if he didn't play in such a great system with the best coach in the NBA.

He's always been a 20 and 10 guy, and very clutch. But he's never completly taken games over by himself like Kobe, Jordan even Malone.

Clippersfan86
05-05-2012, 08:16 PM
Spurs. Now i know what you are going to say "Tim Duncan" But, while he's a great player i'm not sure i would classify him as a star. I don't think he would have accomplished as much if he didn't play in such a great system with the best coach in the NBA.



Wtf? Spurs start 3 HOF players. 3 all stars. Duncan is a top 15 player of all time and during their last title in 07 he was still a superstar. Bad example.

KB24PG16
05-05-2012, 08:17 PM
clippers suck at shooting fts memphis sucks at closing games out

Longhornfan1234
05-05-2012, 08:19 PM
Watching Chris Paul today and Rondo last night...and watching them other times this year.

Paul is the better shooter, by far, but Rondo is better at everything else, IMO.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 08:19 PM
Wtf? Spurs start 3 HOF players. 3 all stars. Duncan is a top 15 player of all time and during their last title in 07 he was still a superstar. Bad example.

Pippen is a HOF player. Could he have led a team? Also, TP is a 4 time all star. Billups is a 5 time all star. Rip Hamilton was a 3 time all star, Ginobili only two.

That's a bad way to make comparisons. Plus, i wasn't trying to discredit Duncan, but there is no freaking way that he is a top 15 player of all time. When was the last time he had a 40 point game? My point was pretty simple. He could never single handedly take over games like Kobe, Jordan or Malone could.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 08:19 PM
Spurs. Now i know what you are going to say "Tim Duncan" But, while he's a great player i'm not sure i would classify him as a star. I don't think he would have accomplished as much if he didn't play in such a great system with the best coach in the NBA.

He's always been a 20 and 10 guy, and very clutch. But he's never completly taken games over by himself like Kobe, Jordan even Malone.

What? Duncan was an incredible factor in those title runs. Many would say arguably greatest power forward of all time. How is he not a star?

Clippersfan86
05-05-2012, 08:20 PM
Mike Conley: "Clippers are a very scrappy and physical team". There goes that soft theory.

KB24PG16
05-05-2012, 08:21 PM
What? Duncan was an incredible factor in those title runs. Many would say arguably greatest power forward of all time. How is he not a star?

yea the only way i see his argument is if he is talking about the 2012 spurs with an again duncan but even then tony parker has proven himself imo to be a 'star'

justinnum1
05-05-2012, 08:22 PM
Did someone really just say rondo is better than cp3 at everything other than shooting.
:facepalm:

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 08:22 PM
What? Duncan was an incredible factor in those title runs. Many would say arguably greatest power forward of all time. How is he not a star?

I never said he wasn't. He was a crucial piece, perhaps even the main reason for those title wins. But my point was pretty simple. He could never single handedly take over games in ways that Kobe, Jordan, Malone could.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-05-2012, 08:24 PM
Spurs. Now i know what you are going to say "Tim Duncan" But, while he's a great player i'm not sure i would classify him as a star. I don't think he would have accomplished as much if he didn't play in such a great system with the best coach in the NBA.

He's always been a 20 and 10 guy, and very clutch. But he's never completly taken games over by himself like Kobe, Jordan even Malone.

Tim Duncan had a monster triple double in the closeout game 6 of the 03 finals against the New Jersey Nets.

What are you talking about?

Karl Malone didn't completely take over games, half of his points came by John Stockton passes. And Malone was a big time choker. The guy missed shots down the stretch in game 6 of the 98 finals against the Bulls, and then that last play before MJ hit that shot, Malone had the ball in the post and was blindsighted and stripped relatively easily by MJ.


And of course perimeter guys like Jordan or Kobe are going to take over, because most often than not, perimeter players have the ball bringing it up court and they're the ones dominating the ball and ultimately deciding what happens with it. (Do I pass or do I shoot?). They're the deciders and playmakers, not the big men.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 08:26 PM
I never said he wasn't. He was a crucial piece, perhaps even the main reason for those title wins. But my point was pretty simple. He could never single handedly take over games in ways that Kobe, Jordan, Malone could.

There's very few and I mean very few players you could put in the same breath with Jordan and Bryant. But why Malone? Duncan was just as effective with the ball in his hands down the stretch. You seem to imply that he is a product of a system and was great only because Pop was his coach. I can't agree with that.

Giraffes Rule
05-05-2012, 08:27 PM
I never said he wasn't. He was a crucial piece, perhaps even the main reason for those title wins. But my point was pretty simple. He could never single handedly take over games in ways that Kobe, Jordan, Malone could.

Your point is wrong. Did you watch the 2003 NBA Finals?

TubbyBucket
05-05-2012, 08:30 PM
I never said he wasn't. He was a crucial piece, perhaps even the main reason for those title wins. But my point was pretty simple. He could never single handedly take over games in ways that Kobe, Jordan, Malone could.

Duncan routinely took over the fourth quarter in his playoff runs, even against Shaq.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 08:30 PM
Tim Duncan had a monster triple double in the closeout game 6 of the 03 finals against the New Jersey Nets.

Ok, so what's your point? I was talking about being able to consistently dominate alone.




Karl Malone didn't completely take over games, half of his points came by John Stockton passes. And Malone was a big time choker. The guy missed shots down the stretch in game 6 of the 98 finals against the Bulls, and then that last play before MJ hit that shot, Malone had the ball in the post and was blindsighted and stripped relatively easily by MJ.

It's true that he had probably the best pg in the history of the NBA to pass him the ball, but he was still a great player. He also played in a much more competitive time. Tim Duncan had the opportunity of facing the Nets, and Cleveland while James was still young. Karl Malone had to face Jordan every year.





And of course perimeter guys like Jordan or Kobe are going to take over, because most often than not, perimeter players have the ball bringing it up court and they're the ones dominating the ball and ultimately deciding what happens with it. (Do I pass or do I shoot?). They're the deciders, not the big men.

What about Shaq? If i had to pick one player (with exception of Jordan before) i would take Shaq. During his prime the guy was unstoppable. 99-200 the guy was putting up 30 ppg of 58% shooting and 13 rebounds. In the playoffs his performance was just nasty. I don't even have words to describe it.

Longhornfan1234
05-05-2012, 08:31 PM
Did someone really just say rondo is better than cp3 at everything other than shooting.
:facepalm:

:facepalm:


Rondo is a better passer, slasher, rebounder, and defender than CP3.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 08:33 PM
:facepalm:


Rondo is a better passer, slasher, rebounder, and defender than CP3.

No he's not. His offense is 10 times worse. At best he is as good of a passer but definitely not as smart of a player.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 08:33 PM
Your point is wrong. Did you watch the 2003 NBA Finals?

Hell, dude need to watch 99, 03, 05, and even those battles against the Lakers in 02 and 04.

TubbyBucket
05-05-2012, 08:34 PM
Watching Chris Paul today and Rondo last night...and watching them other times this year.

Paul is the better shooter, by far, but Rondo is better at everything else, IMO.

Lenscrafter says hi.

Clippersfan86
05-05-2012, 08:35 PM
:facepalm:


Rondo is a better passer, slasher, rebounder, and defender than CP3.


Chris Paul is elite at getting to the rim, while Rondo has a reputation of missing layups. I'd also say Cp3 was better defender this season or at worst equal. Rebounding similar. Also Rondo isn't a better playmaker... He just plays for a MUCH better offense with consistent shooters.

Giraffes Rule
05-05-2012, 08:37 PM
Ok, so what's your point? I was talking about being able to consistently dominate alone.
Which Duncan did on both ends of the court. I really don't think you watched Tim Duncan in his prime at all.






It's true that he had probably the best pg in the history of the NBA to pass him the ball, but he was still a great player. He also played in a much more competitive time. Tim Duncan had the opportunity of facing the Nets, and Cleveland while James was still young. Karl Malone had to face Jordan every year.


Really? Because Duncan had to go against these guys named Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal. And they were actually in the same conference.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 08:40 PM
Which Duncan did on both ends of the court. I really don't think you watched Tim Duncan in his prime at all.

Yes i did. I even saw the 2004-2005 finals, which i'm sure 50% of the people here found too boring to sit through.






Really? Because Duncan had to go against these guys named Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal.

And he lost to them more than once. Look you keep going around trying to defend Duncans impact in the game. I was never questioning that. I was simply saying from a statistical viewpoint he was not as dominant as these players. If you want to see that, all you need to do is look at stats.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-05-2012, 08:44 PM
Ok, so what's your point? I was talking about being able to consistently dominate alone.


He did dominate alone actually. He was so good in his prime, he commanded double teams and got wide open 3 pt looks throughout his career to guys like Manu Ginobili, Stephen Jackson, Brent Barry, Bruce Bowen, Mario Elie, Sean Elliot, Jarren Jackson, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr etc. etc.




It's true that he had probably the best pg in the history of the NBA to pass him the ball, but he was still a great player. He also played in a much more competitive time. Tim Duncan had the opportunity of facing the Nets, and Cleveland while James was still young. Karl Malone had to face Jordan every year.

You're only talking about the finals. A good estimation is what guys they faced in their own conference. Karl Malone faced the likes of GP Sonics team, a Rockets team that was on the decline with old Hakeem, Drexler and Barkley. A very very good Portland team as well as a young Shaq-Kobe Lakers team.

Duncan faced a much polished SHaq-Kobe Lakers (w/ Phil), a better Portland team once they got their **** together, Dirk's Mavs, KG's Wolves, Nash's Suns etc. etc. etc. Post-Jordan/Post-Malone era, the NBA has been all about the Western COnference and how the West is stacked every year.






What about Shaq? If i had to pick one player (with exception of Jordan before) i would take Shaq. During his prime the guy was unstoppable. 99-200 the guy was putting up 30 ppg of 58% shooting and 13 rebounds. In the playoffs his performance was just nasty. I don't even have words to describe it.


Shaq was never the closer on any of his 3 championship teams with the Lakers. His inability to hit free throws led to the Hack-a-Shaq, and there were times where Phil was so fed up with Shaq, he had to sit his *** on the bench. Kobe was always the guy carrying the Lakers to the victories down the stretch.

Admittingly though, like Duncan, Shaq was able to command double teams and get wide open 3 pt looks to guys like Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Fisher, Shaw, Harper, Lindsey Hunter, and in MIami he had GP, Walker, Jason Williams, James Posey, Kapono, Steve SMith etc. etc.


But if you're talking about in the finals, Shaq had to face the likes of Mutombo, Rik Smits, and Todd Macculogh.

Duncan in his 4 titles faced the likes of Rasheed (Detroit), KMart (New Jersey), Larry Johnson (Knicks 99) and Drew Gooden (07 Cavs).

Giraffes Rule
05-05-2012, 08:50 PM
And he lost to them more than once. Look you keep going around trying to defend Duncans impact in the game. I was never questioning that. I was simply saying from a statistical viewpoint he was not as dominant as these players. If you want to see that, all you need to do is look at stats.

Yeah, and he and the Spurs got through them more than once as well. Maybe you should look at the stats, because you're just plain wrong. 32 points 20 rebounds 6 assists and 7 blocks isn't dominant?

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 09:06 PM
He did dominate alone actually. He was so good in his prime, he commanded double teams and got wide open 3 pt looks throughout his career to guys like Manu Ginobili, Stephen Jackson, Brent Barry, Bruce Bowen, Mario Elie, Sean Elliot, Jarren Jackson, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr etc. etc.

I'm not arguing that. I was pretty much referring to statistical dominance. Duncan was never the guy who consistently put up 40 points in the playoffs, or scored 20 points in a row for the team. He was often the guy that did a lot of other things that you cannot see in normal stats. He was/is one of the most intelligent players. But it also helps that he was coached by probably the best coach in the NBA is the best system.


You're only talking about the finals. A good estimation is what guys they faced in their own conference. Karl Malone faced the likes of GP Sonics team, a Rockets team that was on the decline with old Hakeem, Drexler and Barkley. A very very good Portland team as well as a young Shaq-Kobe Lakers team.



Those were all good teams, and i agree that the competition over their whole careers might have been closer than i suspected.


Duncan faced a much polished SHaq-Kobe Lakers (w/ Phil), a better Portland team once they got their **** together, Dirk's Mavs, KG's Wolves, Nash's Suns etc. etc. etc. Post-Jordan/Post-Malone era, the NBA has been all about the Western COnference and how the West is stacked every year.

With the exception of the Lakers i would say that the rest of the teams were not as good as the competition that Malone had to face in the past. Dirks Mavs were always a step below the Spurs, KG's Wolves only had a couple of dominant years when they acquired Sam Cassel.


Shaq was never the closer on any of his 3 championship teams with the Lakers. His inability to hit free throws led to the Hack-a-Shaq, and there were times where Phil was so fed up with Shaq, he had to sit his *** on the bench. Kobe was always the guy carrying the Lakers to the victories down the stretch.

You're right, Shaqs inability to hit free throws down the stretch was definetly a weak point. But throughout the game, from purely statistical viewpoint he was more dominant.



But if you're talking about in the finals, Shaq had to face the likes of Mutombo, Rik Smits, and Todd Macculogh.

Duncan in his 4 titles faced the likes of Rasheed (Detroit), KMart (New Jersey), Larry Johnson (Knicks 99) and Drew Gooden (07 Cavs).

Shaq had to defend the post. Playing the Center position is the hardest thing in the NBA. Yes he could always dominate the 1 on 1 matchups and never had as much competition. But he also had to defend the post, and constantly fight through double teams and very physical play.

Personally Rasheed was never that great of a player, and nowehere in the same category as Duncan. Kmart was a good defender but never much of an offensive player. Larry Johnson/Drew Gooden i wouldn't say were much competition.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 09:08 PM
Yeah, and he and the Spurs got through them more than once as well. Maybe you should look at the stats, because you're just plain wrong. 32 points 20 rebounds 6 assists and 7 blocks isn't dominant?

Yeah, in single games. Look at their playoffs averages. Duncan generally averaged around 21-22 ppg, 10 rebounds. Shaq had like 7 seasons in a row putting up 30 ppg, 12-13 rebounds.

Giraffes Rule
05-05-2012, 09:12 PM
Yeah, in single games. Look at their playoffs averages. Duncan generally averaged around 21-22 ppg, 10 rebounds. Shaq had like 7 seasons in a row putting up 30 ppg, 12-13 rebounds.

So? Shaq was better than Duncan. That doesn't mean Duncan wasn't a dominant player, and it sure as hell doesn't mean he was a product of the Spurs system and coach Pop like you seem to think. There's more to basketball than scoring points.

I think I'm done here. You make zero sense to me.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 09:25 PM
So? Shaq was better than Duncan. That doesn't mean Duncan wasn't a dominant player, and it sure as hell doesn't mean he was a product of the Spurs system and coach Pop like you seem to think. There's more to basketball than scoring points.

I think I'm done here. You make zero sense to me.

No i'm not saying he was necessarily better. You would have to specifically define in which way you mean that. I would say that he was more dominant individually. I think i pretty much explained my point like five times so far. I'm not sure what is so confusing.

Giraffes Rule
05-05-2012, 09:30 PM
No i'm not saying he was necessarily better. You would have to specifically define in which way you mean that. I would say that he was more dominant individually. I think i pretty much explained my point like five times so far. I'm not sure what is so confusing.

It's not confusing. You've stated your opinion, I just don't think it makes any sense. I don't know how anyone who really watched Tim Duncan play could think that he wasn't a dominant presence on the floor. I don't believe you did, and I don't really put much value in an opinion based on points alone.

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-05-2012, 09:33 PM
Well guys, this is a Clippers-Grizz game thread, so I don't even know why Tim Duncan is even being discussed here. :laugh2:

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 09:35 PM
It's not confusing. You've stated your opinion, I just don't think it makes any sense. I don't know how anyone who really watched Tim Duncan play could think that he wasn't a dominant presence on the floor. I don't believe you did, and I don't really put much value in an opinion based on points alone.

I was referring to statistical dominance. I'm not the only one who supports this view. I vaguely recall this exact conversation between Barkley, Ernie and Kenny Smith.

I don't think most people would argue that from an individual statistical viewpoint Shaq was not more dominant than Duncan. The guy was unstoppable in his prime. This is why teams started employing the "hack a Shaq" strategy. Not just because he was a poor free throw shooter, but because he would always score otherwise lol

Giraffes Rule
05-05-2012, 09:44 PM
I was referring to statistical dominance. I'm not the only one who supports this view. I vaguely recall this exact conversation between Barkley, Ernie and Kenny Smith.

I don't think most people would argue that from an individual statistical viewpoint Shaq was not more dominant than Duncan. The guy was unstoppable in his prime. This is why teams started employing the "hack a Shaq" strategy. Not just because he was a poor free throw shooter, but because he would always score otherwise lol

I'm not arguing that Duncan was more dominant than Shaq. I'm saying that your jump from Shaq was dominant, Duncan wasn't dominant as Shaq, therefore Duncan has never been a dominant player is ludicrous. And again, your "statistical dominance" is based almost solely on points per game, which is equally as absurd. You're just wrong, and everyone else knows it. :shrug:

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 09:49 PM
I was referring to statistical dominance. I'm not the only one who supports this view. I vaguely recall this exact conversation between Barkley, Ernie and Kenny Smith.

I don't think most people would argue that from an individual statistical viewpoint Shaq was not more dominant than Duncan. The guy was unstoppable in his prime. This is why teams started employing the "hack a Shaq" strategy. Not just because he was a poor free throw shooter, but because he would always score otherwise lol

What got everyone up in arms is not these comparisons to Shaq, Kobe, Jordan, etc. You basically said Tim was not a star player on those Spurs champ teams. You basically said he is a product of Pop's system as being the reason for his success. Where would you rank him all time amongst power forwards if that's the case? The man was a 2 time MVP winner and 3 times finals MVP winner.

He didn't take over games with dominant scoring like those guys but he scored efficiently as a closer when needed in crunch time. It was those other areas of his game is what made him a star on those teams.

Longhornfan1234
05-05-2012, 09:51 PM
Chris Paul is elite at getting to the rim, while Rondo has a reputation of missing layups. I'd also say Cp3 was better defender this season or at worst equal. Rebounding similar. Also Rondo isn't a better playmaker... He just plays for a MUCH better offense with consistent shooters.

Rondo has 6 triple doubles this year compared to Chris Paul's ZERO.

He also averages more assists per game and rebound per game than Paul.

Paul obviously has more points per game because of being a better shooter.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 09:52 PM
I'm not arguing that Duncan was more dominant than Shaq. I'm saying that your jump from Shaq was dominant, Duncan wasn't dominant as Shaq, therefore Duncan has never been a dominant player is ludicrous.

I just referenced a few players that i thought were more individually dominant. Then you basically went and argued against it, so i continued that conversation.


Also, i never said Duncan has never been dominant. My initial point was very clear. I said that he wasn't as individually dominant as the other players i mentioned.

Seriously you're just arguing in a circle. It's fine if you don't agree, but i'm not sure what is so confusing about my statements. Just look through the thread and you will see that they make complete sense.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 09:55 PM
What got everyone up in arms is not these comparisons to Shaq, Kobe, Jordan, etc. You basically said Tim was not a star player on those Spurs champ teams.

Quit making things up. I said he was "never that" individually dominant. Not that he wasn't a star player.




You basically said he is a product of Pop's system as being the reason for his success. Where would you rank him all time amongst power forwards if that's the case? The man was a 2 time MVP winner and 3 times finals MVP winner.

No i said that Pop's system helped his career a lot and his individual game. I think most people would agree with this assessment.



He didn't take over games with dominant scoring like those guys but he scored efficiently as a closer when needed in crunch time. It was those other areas of his game is what made him a star on those teams.

Yes, i agree and i have so far specifically described what i meant. You guys just keep ignoring my initial point, and keep putting words in my mouth.

Hangtime
05-05-2012, 09:57 PM
Spurs. Now i know what you are going to say "Tim Duncan" But, while he's a great player i'm not sure i would classify him as a star. I don't think he would have accomplished as much if he didn't play in such a great system with the best coach in the NBA.

He's always been a 20 and 10 guy, and very clutch.

Your right. I don't even know how on earth we got on that topic. My badd.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 10:00 PM
Your right. I don't even know how on earth we got on that topic. My badd.

How would you classify a star? It's easy to do this when you use vague terms.

If you said "all star" then obviously i cannot argue against that, seeing as how he has made the all star team numerous times. If you meant "star" as if one of the best/if not best player on the Spurs teams during their title runs, then fine.

But your initial point was that he was the 10-15th best PF in the history of the NBA, and i disagreed.

Giraffes Rule
05-05-2012, 10:00 PM
Quit making things up. I said he was "never that" individually dominant. Not that he wasn't a star player.


Spurs. Now i know what you are going to say "Tim Duncan" But, while he's a great player i'm not sure i would classify him as a star. I don't think he would have accomplished as much if he didn't play in such a great system with the best coach in the NBA.


So can we all agree that you're just making **** up at this point? K thanks bye.

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 10:01 PM
So can we all agree that you're just making **** up at this point? K thanks bye.

Good, i'd prefer to have a real conversation with a person. Not somebody that keeps playing around with "words" in order to try and win an argument.

Giraffes Rule
05-05-2012, 10:04 PM
Good, i'd prefer to have a real conversation with a person. Not somebody that keeps playing around with "words" in order to try and win a conversation.

:laugh2: Ok my bad, you're absolutely right. How dare I refer to your own words in a conversation?!?

kenzo400
05-05-2012, 10:10 PM
:laugh2: Ok my bad, you're absolutely right. How dare I refer to your own words in a conversation?!?

You specifically misrepresent what i said in order to try and make your point valid. Half the time you don't even have a point.




Really? Because Duncan had to go against these guys named Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal. And they were actually in the same conference.

:facepalm: Most pointless point in this thread. I could say the same about Shaq and Kobe. They had to go through all this competition, including the Spurs who for most of the years were a much more complete team.

Not to mention Duncan didn't even guard either guys lol. It would be better if you said the Spurs had to face the Lakers when Kobe and Shaq were in their prime.


Yeah, and he and the Spurs got through them more than once as well. Maybe you should look at the stats, because you're just plain wrong. 32 points 20 rebounds 6 assists and 7 blocks isn't dominant?

Yes, because i was definitely referring to a single game. :facepalm:



It's not confusing. You've stated your opinion, I just don't think it makes any sense. I don't know how anyone who really watched Tim Duncan play could think that he wasn't a dominant presence on the floor

Once again misrepresenting my position. I said he wasn't as statistically dominant as some of the other players i listed.


By the way, how old are you? Serious question.

Chronz
05-05-2012, 10:40 PM
damn this one hurts just like game 1...the only good news is that the Clips have not beaten us yet, rather the Grizz have beaten themselves. 1 fg for about 10 mins in the 4th qtr just wont cut it

I can see what your saying because any game with this close of a margin comes down to alot of luck. At the same time we nearly gifted you this one as well, you just couldnt take advantage. Both teams could have played better. And at what point do we just admit that they are what they are, the Grizz are a team that gos through cold spells and the Clips are a team that have the most comeback victories in the league. I dont think this game is too out of character

Chronz
05-05-2012, 10:45 PM
Duncan not a star? LMFAO thats ridiculous, he was a SUPER STAR. He dominated both ends.

Clippersfan86
05-05-2012, 10:54 PM
I can see what your saying because any game with this close of a margin comes down to alot of luck. At the same time we nearly gifted you this one as well, you just couldnt take advantage. Both teams could have played better. And at what point do we just admit that they are what they are, the Grizz are a team that gos through cold spells and the Clips are a team that have the most comeback victories in the league. I dont think this game is too out of character



Bingo. Clippers led NBA in double digit comebacks. Also true Memphis is known for long scoring droughts.

MrfadeawayJB
05-05-2012, 11:00 PM
I can see what your saying because any game with this close of a margin comes down to alot of luck. At the same time we nearly gifted you this one as well, you just couldnt take advantage. Both teams could have played better. And at what point do we just admit that they are what they are, the Grizz are a team that gos through cold spells and the Clips are a team that have the most comeback victories in the league. I dont think this game is too out of character

yeah it has to be soooo frusterating for both fan bases lol

Chronz
05-05-2012, 11:07 PM
yeah it has to be soooo frusterating for both fan bases lol

The look on the faces of these fans FSN showed after the win was priceless, it was a look of despair crossed with happiness. You dont see that often, its like you won a game but you cant help but feel like a loser.

Soonerule
05-05-2012, 11:13 PM
THE BLAKE FACE!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u40_owUMqY&feature=related

kylem4711
05-05-2012, 11:50 PM
Yep. I think SA would handle the CLips in 5, 6 games max.

ha, a six game handle. makes sense....

kylem4711
05-05-2012, 11:50 PM
damn this one hurts just like game 1...the only good news is that the Clips have not beaten us yet, rather the Grizz have beaten themselves. 1 fg for about 10 mins in the 4th qtr just wont cut it

nope. clips beat you two times and your team beat the clips once

kylem4711
05-05-2012, 11:53 PM
Watching Chris Paul today and Rondo last night...and watching them other times this year.

Paul is the better shooter, by far, but Rondo is better at everything else, IMO.

rondo is better at being taller. thats about it

kylem4711
05-05-2012, 11:57 PM
Well guys, this is a Clippers-Grizz game thread, so I don't even know why Tim Duncan is even being discussed here. :laugh2:

i agree, btw, don't you always manager to bring up the lakers in the griz/clippers threads. you and your pals should quit that too

KB-Pau-DH2012
05-06-2012, 01:23 AM
i agree, btw, don't you always manager to bring up the lakers in the griz/clippers threads. you and your pals should quit that too

Ah common, we're in the family man. Big Brother and Little brother. :p

kylem4711
05-06-2012, 02:08 AM
Ah common, we're in the family man. Big Brother and Little brother. :p

ewww, dont even call yourself the clippers little brother. we would disown rapists.

TubbyBucket
05-06-2012, 02:57 AM
Rondo has 6 triple doubles this year compared to Chris Paul's ZERO.

He also averages more assists per game and rebound per game than Paul.

Paul obviously has more points per game because of being a better shooter.

Rondo's a better rebounder. End of story. Paul's always been the better passer, as evidenced by his insane a/to ratio. He's not averaging more assists because he has to be the Clips primary scoring threat, and because he doesn't have three dead-eye shooters surrounding him like Rondo does.

Comparing them is just laughable. One is enormously better than the other.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html#advanced::none

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html#advanced::none

justinnum1
05-06-2012, 09:44 AM
:facepalm:


Rondo is a better passer, slasher, rebounder, and defender than CP3.


Rondo's a better rebounder. End of story. Paul's always been the better passer, as evidenced by his insane a/to ratio. He's not averaging more assists because he has to be the Clips primary scoring threat, and because he doesn't have three dead-eye shooters surrounding him like Rondo does.

Comparing them is just laughable. One is enormously better than the other.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html#advanced::none

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html#advanced::none
:burn:

mzgrizz
05-06-2012, 10:34 AM
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/may/06/griz-cant-locate-7-foot-center/

Ya think they MIGHT could find the biggest guy on the court????????????

kdspurman
05-06-2012, 12:41 PM
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/may/06/griz-cant-locate-7-foot-center/

Ya think they MIGHT could find the biggest guy on the court????????????

I think this is why a lot of people feel this team w/Gay is different. Now that's not putting it all on him, but they just don't rely on the bigs like last year which is why they were so successful. Gasol only attempting 5 shots is crazy