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davids22
05-04-2012, 04:14 PM
Should we be surprised by LeBron James' spectacular fourth quarter in Game 3?

Not if you've been paying close attention to LeBron's fourth quarter play this season. The 17-point barrage in the closing minutes in New Jersey. The 17 points on 8-of-9 shooting in Utah. The 12 points in a January game, following it up with a six-assist outing in a close February contest and then upstaging that with a 15-point outburst in an April game -- all coming in wins against the Philadelphia 76ers. Just ask Doug Collins if LeBron sputters out in the fourth quarter.

LeBron has heard all the jokes and it hasn't seemed to bother his play at all this season. Despite the breathless criticism that he vanishes in fourth quarters, his player efficiency rating (PER) in the fourth quarter (33.1) is much higher than his overall PER this season (30.8).

In fact, only one other player in the league has been better in the fourth quarter and that's his pal Chris Paul.

First, let us bow down before the all mighty Chris Paul. Sheesh.

The Lob City point guard has been supernatural in the fourth quarter this season. If Paul does what he does in the fourth quarter for an entire game, here's his statline: 28.7 points, 8.2 assists, 3.2 steals on 50 percent shooting per 36 minutes. It all adds up to an astronomical 38.7 PER. For those wondering, Kobe Bryant finished with the 13th-highest PER in fourth quarters with 25.0, right behind Kevin Garnett.

Coming in second is LeBron. The fourth quarter actually isn't his best quarter; he dominates the second quarter more than anyone. (Sidenote: LeBron and Wade rank No. 1 and No. 2 in the second frame). But the dominance on Thursday night is just another data point in a season-long trend. LeBron has been just as electric in the fourth quarter as the rest of the game and perhaps even moreso.

The interesting thing is that his fourth quarter production might be spurred by rest. Spoelstra's rotation demanded that LeBron play shortened minutes in the second and fourth quarter, so it might be more than just a coincidence that LeBron went bonkers right after an extended rest in the third quarter. This season, LeBron has just 444 minutes in the fourth quarter compared to, say, 760 minutes in the third quarter.

So what does this all mean?

LeBron played an absurd number of minutes in the last playoffs (42.4 minutes per game vs. Philadelphia, 44.6 vs. Boston 45.2 vs. Chicago), and it should be clear now why the Heat brought in Shane Battier. He's the battery for LeBron. (For what it's worth, LeBron had a slightly lower PER in the fourth quarter in the regular season than his overall rating last season, and a microscopic 8.4 PER against Dallas in the Finals).

Of course, as has been the case all season long, nothing really matters to the general public until the Finals. But the Heat are being very careful with his minutes this season and so far, it's paying off.

Statistical support provided by NBA.com.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/13850/lebron-continues-fourth-quarter-dominance

Cfrey
05-04-2012, 04:18 PM
God I have to post about how BEASTLY Lebron is some more hahaha.. people are hating on me and saying I only post about LeBron but its set up that way!! haha and yes hes a ****ing BEAST

gotoHcarolina52
05-04-2012, 04:24 PM
Lies! Everyone knows he has no 4th quarter.

Also, LeBron just traveled.

kenzo400
05-04-2012, 04:30 PM
Lies! Everyone knows he has no 4th quarter.

Also, LeBron just traveled.

Pff, he's always been good in the fourth during regular season. Let's see what he does as we get further in the playoffs.

5ass
05-04-2012, 04:31 PM
CP3 gets no respect. This guy can hang with Lebron and KD.

uptown0364
05-04-2012, 04:32 PM
Lebron mixes his Wheaties with his Mama's toe jam

Baller1
05-04-2012, 04:32 PM
God damn CP3...

Gators123
05-04-2012, 04:35 PM
Chris Paul 27.3 23.3 26.7 23.8 38.7
LeBron James 30.8 29.2 35.2 29.3 33.1
Kyrie Irving 21.3 22.3 16.3 17.4 31.4
Derrick Rose 23.0 21.4 21.0 21.0 30.8
Kenneth Faried 22.1 22.5 23.2 14.4 28.7
Kevin Durant 26.2 23.6 29.4 24.5 28.2
Andrew Bynum 23.4 22.2 22.9 21.4 27.0
Kevin Love 25.6 25.0 21.6 28.2 26.8
Greg Monroe 22.3 19.5 20.3 24.2 26.6
Tony Parker 22.6 19.0 24.2 22.9 26.3

Nice to see Monroe had a great PER in the 4th, 26.6. Not bad.

Hawkeye15
05-04-2012, 04:42 PM
not surprising in the slightest.

Swashcuff
05-04-2012, 04:45 PM
But wait.. what about 4th quarter Defense... where LeBron shines brightest. Only knock on LeBron in the 4th from me however is that he shoots much less than he does in other quarters and does it at a much lower percentage as well.

5ass
05-04-2012, 04:51 PM
But wait.. what about 4th quarter Defense... where LeBron shines brightest. Only knock on LeBron in the 4th from me however is that he shoots much less than he does in other quarters and does it at a much lower percentage as well.

cp3 is also a beast defensively in the 4th. Im willing to bet he averages 4-5 spg in the 4th (over 36 minutes)

LongIslandIcedZ
05-04-2012, 04:59 PM
People saying Lebron cant play in the fourth are absoluetly crazy. The only criticism that holds a little bit of merit is that he shouldnt be taking the "time expiring" shot.

Baller1
05-04-2012, 05:22 PM
Chris Paul 27.3 23.3 26.7 23.8 38.7
LeBron James 30.8 29.2 35.2 29.3 33.1
Kyrie Irving 21.3 22.3 16.3 17.4 31.4
Derrick Rose 23.0 21.4 21.0 21.0 30.8
Kenneth Faried 22.1 22.5 23.2 14.4 28.7
Kevin Durant 26.2 23.6 29.4 24.5 28.2
Andrew Bynum 23.4 22.2 22.9 21.4 27.0
Kevin Love 25.6 25.0 21.6 28.2 26.8
Greg Monroe 22.3 19.5 20.3 24.2 26.6
Tony Parker 22.6 19.0 24.2 22.9 26.3

Nice to see Monroe had a great PER in the 4th, 26.6. Not bad.

Faried? Weird.

Avenged
05-04-2012, 05:31 PM
Andrew Bynum 7th on the list :D

Blitzbolt
05-04-2012, 05:34 PM
CP3 is playing 1 on 5 this playoffs vs the Grizz he is really good.

But the crying to refs and Flopping are so annoying.

Donuts365
05-04-2012, 05:39 PM
Chris Paul 27.3 23.3 26.7 23.8 38.7
LeBron James 30.8 29.2 35.2 29.3 33.1
Kyrie Irving 21.3 22.3 16.3 17.4 31.4
Derrick Rose 23.0 21.4 21.0 21.0 30.8
Kenneth Faried 22.1 22.5 23.2 14.4 28.7
Kevin Durant 26.2 23.6 29.4 24.5 28.2
Andrew Bynum 23.4 22.2 22.9 21.4 27.0
Kevin Love 25.6 25.0 21.6 28.2 26.8
Greg Monroe 22.3 19.5 20.3 24.2 26.6
Tony Parker 22.6 19.0 24.2 22.9 26.3

Nice to see Monroe had a great PER in the 4th, 26.6. Not bad.

no kobe this a fake list

Swashcuff
05-04-2012, 05:42 PM
no kobe this a fake list

Do you even understand the list? How can you say its fake?

Raph12
05-04-2012, 05:43 PM
Are we really going to overlook the fact that Kyrie Irving came in 3rd, as a rookie, behind only CP3 and Lebron? (both top 5 players)... This kid is special.

kdspurman
05-04-2012, 06:15 PM
Are we really going to overlook the fact that Kyrie Irving came in 3rd, as a rookie, behind only CP3 and Lebron? (both top 5 players)... This kid is special.

I thought that was pretty impressive as well :clap:

Sota4Ever
05-04-2012, 06:25 PM
Kevin Love. Going to be number 1 on that list next year!!!

ManRam
05-04-2012, 06:28 PM
This shouldn't surprise any objective NBA fan...

beasted86
05-04-2012, 06:48 PM
God I have to post about how BEASTLY Lebron is some more hahaha.. people are hating on me and saying I only post about LeBron but its set up that way!! haha and yes hes a ****ing BEAST

Why is it anyway? It's like all LeBron fans are obsessed with starting threads about him.

I am a fan of Wade and I'm pretty certain I haven't started a thread about him in at least a year. But you have you, Longhorn, and all the rest of LeBron (non-Miami HEAT) fans that start so many threads about one player.

LakeShowRaider
05-04-2012, 06:48 PM
He can play in the 4th. Just not in the last 3 minutes of the 4th.

Baller1
05-04-2012, 06:48 PM
Are we really going to overlook the fact that Kyrie Irving came in 3rd, as a rookie, behind only CP3 and Lebron? (both top 5 players)... This kid is special.

I was so wrong about him. I actually thought he was going to be a bust. Couldn't have been any more wrong...

LakersA's49ers
05-04-2012, 06:52 PM
every player on this list has great 4th quarters and horrible 4th quarters throughout the year. it balances out on this list here. none of them are really consistently putting up the same numbers

ManRam
05-04-2012, 06:52 PM
I was wrong on Kyrie (mainly my Duke hate). I can usually be objective...but factor in the Duke factor plus me basically only seeing him play 2-3 times ever...well...I didn't think he'd be a super star. But he had an AMAZING rookie season. I don't think most realize how amazing he was. I'm surprised to see him at #3...but I'm not surprised that he's on the list. I expected him being top 10 (countless huge 4th quarters from him), but #3 is amazing and surprising considering he's a rookie.

YoungOne
05-04-2012, 07:11 PM
screw PER

MarkieMark48
05-04-2012, 08:28 PM
I was wrong on Kyrie (mainly my Duke hate). I can usually be objective...but factor in the Duke factor plus me basically only seeing him play 2-3 times ever...well...I didn't think he'd be a super star. But he had an AMAZING rookie season. I don't think most realize how amazing he was. I'm surprised to see him at #3...but I'm not surprised that he's on the list. I expected him being top 10 (countless huge 4th quarters from him), but #3 is amazing and surprising considering he's a rookie.

I love Duke hate!

Chronz
05-04-2012, 08:41 PM
screw PER
Thats like saying screw PTS, REB, ASSIST, EFFICIENCY.

Which is fine but that mean you should never use stats ever.


But wait.. what about 4th quarter Defense... where LeBron shines brightest. Only knock on LeBron in the 4th from me however is that he shoots much less than he does in other quarters and does it at a much lower percentage as well.

HUH? That cant be right, how does he have such a high PER if he is neither more prolific or efficient?

THE GIPPER
05-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Faried? Weird.

Yeah Im a bit surprised too but he's been great.


But CP3 being 1st in 4th quarter PER doesnt really surprise me too much. I believe he's 1st in 4th quarter scoring as well.

More-Than-Most
05-04-2012, 08:55 PM
see people only count last second shots as clutch...lets forget about the shots he hits to give them the lead with 2 minutes on the clock because they aren't important...Lets forget his superb defense when he shuts the other teams best player down because that doesn't matter. Last second shots------->Hitting big shots to give your team a bigger lead or a lead in general in the last 2 minutes right haters?

best player in the world period... No one man wins a ring...If they did Iverson would have 5.

the disrespect this guy gets is comical

Swashcuff
05-04-2012, 11:04 PM
Thats like saying screw PTS, REB, ASSIST, EFFICIENCY.

Which is fine but that mean you should never use stats ever.



HUH? That cant be right, how does he have such a high PER if he is neither more prolific or efficient?

:shrug: Because he's LeBron James?

You're the expert on stats you explain that to me. I honestly don't know.


Quarter FG FGA FG% eFG%
1st 205 352 0.582 0.597
2nd 119 205 0.580 0.605
3rd 197 385 0.512 0.542
4th 98 211 0.464 0.488

Longhornfan1234
05-05-2012, 12:42 AM
LeGod James proving the haters wrong. Bow down to the king and God of the NBA. :worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

JJ_JKidd
05-05-2012, 12:53 AM
Does these PER matter? God :facepalm: Stat whores

felixng2012
05-05-2012, 01:11 AM
LeGod James proving the haters wrong. Bow down to the king and God of the NBA. :worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

Lol he hasn't even won one ring yet. Relax.

undermeyou
05-05-2012, 05:27 AM
Does these PER matter? God :facepalm: Stat whores


The argument is that he doesnt produce in crunch time.So yes best way to determine offensive output is looking at PER and if you look at defensive side of the ball he is already by far the best clutch defender.He literally guards the best player no matter who he is and shuts him down.

:burn::burn::burn:

naps
05-05-2012, 06:43 AM
What Kobe is not there? PER sucks! Keep listening to Hollinger! We got RINGSSSS! That's what matters, not some madeup random PER!! Kobe FTW!!

Cal827
05-05-2012, 08:39 AM
**** giving the ball to Durant in the 4th... I'll go with Faried :D

NBAfan4life
05-05-2012, 09:10 AM
no kobe this a fake list

He is like 13th or 14th

b@llhog24
05-05-2012, 11:16 PM
Chris Paul 27.3 23.3 26.7 23.8 38.7
LeBron James 30.8 29.2 35.2 29.3 33.1
Kyrie Irving 21.3 22.3 16.3 17.4 31.4
Derrick Rose 23.0 21.4 21.0 21.0 30.8
Kenneth Faried 22.1 22.5 23.2 14.4 28.7
Kevin Durant 26.2 23.6 29.4 24.5 28.2
Andrew Bynum 23.4 22.2 22.9 21.4 27.0
Kevin Love 25.6 25.0 21.6 28.2 26.8
Greg Monroe 22.3 19.5 20.3 24.2 26.6
Tony Parker 22.6 19.0 24.2 22.9 26.3

Nice to see Monroe had a great PER in the 4th, 26.6. Not bad.

Kyrie :drool:

Chronz
05-05-2012, 11:49 PM
Dear god, if a clutch gene exists, Kyrie has it. Heres betting that gos to **** next year. Unless he truly is the next great PG.


This part stood out for me:
But the Heat are being very careful with his minutes this season and so far, it's paying off.
Im glad the Heat are FINALLY privy to this; they ran Bron ragged last year. He had a tremendous playoff but had tired legs come Finals.


:shrug: Because he's LeBron James?

You're the expert on stats you explain that to me. I honestly don't know.


Quarter FG FGA FG% eFG%
1st 205 352 0.582 0.597
2nd 119 205 0.580 0.605
3rd 197 385 0.512 0.542
4th 98 211 0.464 0.488
Well his minutes are down so I dont think you can blame him for not getting enough shots off unless you have his usage%, I dont understand the efficiency but if its a league wide trend Im assuming PER would account for that so it would mean what your holding against Bron would hold true for the league at large. 4th quarter efficiency is harder to come by. Just a thought.

b@llhog24
05-06-2012, 01:21 AM
What Kobe is not there? PER sucks! Keep listening to Hollinger! We got RINGSSSS! That's what matters, not some madeup random PER!! Kobe FTW!!

Was this really necessary? :confused:


Dear god, if a clutch gene exists, Kyrie has it. Heres betting that gos to **** next year. Unless he truly is the next great PG.


What's your take on him?