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episodenone
04-29-2012, 11:38 AM
Seriously - if they can't do it this year...

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-29-2012, 11:44 AM
Laker vs Heat finals:hide:

KB-Pau-DH2012
04-29-2012, 11:47 AM
Is Ray Allen definitely out for the playoffs?

showtym24
04-29-2012, 11:50 AM
Yea because shumpert wouldve carried the knicks to the finals....

ModernDaySavage
04-29-2012, 11:51 AM
They did it last year, I don't get your point.

Cal827
04-29-2012, 11:54 AM
I actually agree with the OP. These all cover the Heat's problems/weaknesses in some way (Rose/Bulls- Better team in regular season, Howard- Heat Lack Center, Shumpert- Perimeter defense on Wade/Lebron/Whoever, Ray- Heat's 3 pt shooting defense).

They shouldn't have much problem reaching the finals again, as long as they remain healthy.

Shareeb_omac2
04-29-2012, 11:56 AM
Should have been Shumpert and Jeremy Lin. Shumpert alone doesn't really make or break the Knicks. Both of them healthy might cause problems for teams.

thekmp211
04-29-2012, 12:02 PM
celts have a shot but yeah, it's there for the taking.

YoungOne
04-29-2012, 12:04 PM
Is Ray Allen definitely out for the playoffs?

no.

The goods
04-29-2012, 12:07 PM
Don't count the Celtics out but yeah if they don't atleast make the finals then something's is seriously wrong,It's their race to lose

Sportfan
04-29-2012, 12:07 PM
I like how shump is on this list but not horford

Sinestro
04-29-2012, 12:11 PM
Pretty much its up to the West to stop them although I can only see OKC or Memphis doing that

black1605
04-29-2012, 12:20 PM
Way to sneak Shumpert in that list.

Can't blame the Heat for remaining healthy.

smith&wesson
04-29-2012, 12:20 PM
i actually agree with the op. These all cover the heat's problems/weaknesses in some way (rose/bulls- better team in regular season, howard- heat lack center, shumpert- perimeter defense on wade/lebron/whoever, ray- heat's 3 pt shooting defense).

They shouldn't have much problem reaching the finals again, as long as they remain healthy.

+1

raiderfaninTX
04-29-2012, 12:22 PM
didnt the heat get to the finals last year, and were favorites this year.

I already see it, in peoples minds your hate for the heat has led you to begin setting up the argument that this year is tainted if they do win it.

sixer04fan
04-29-2012, 12:27 PM
Yup. Now the Shump is out, the Heat might actually have a chance.

shep33
04-29-2012, 12:27 PM
Honestly think they could probably reach the Finals without one of the big 3 even.

They've got a pretty easy road the first two rounds. Either way, I picked them before the season to win it all, but this seems like a cakewalk. Lol, and the first game of the WC playoffs was like a game 7 of the Finals. Unfortunately whatever western conference team makes it will have to go through hell to play the Heat

raiderfaninTX
04-29-2012, 12:32 PM
Yup. Now the Shump is out, the Heat might actually have a chance.

are you serious?

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 12:35 PM
Please do not put Shump in that list. If Heat don't win it all this year, there's the issue and Wade will be traded :hide:

episodenone
04-29-2012, 12:38 PM
I'm saying Shump makes a big difference for the Knicks.

So does Horford -- but I honestly never consider the Hawks a real threat. [sorry]

Just saying that this makes it a lot easier for the Heat - most of their obstacles -- which they may have overcome regardless - -are out of the way in the East.

jimm120
04-29-2012, 12:40 PM
Yea because shumpert wouldve carried the knicks to the finals....

Well now, I can tell you that Shumpert is actually VERY important to the Knicks.

What makes the Knicks this year isn't the offense. Thats why Lin, Melo, and Amare have been out and yet the team showed it could be "ok" for a while.

Its the defense that made the 2011-12 Knicks. Woodson, Tyson, Shumpert, and Jeffries. Yeah, THOSE have been the pieces that made us win games. All everyone else (Melo, Amare, Davis, Lin, etc) had to do was "not give up" on defense.

Without Shumpert, its kind of like without Tyson...to a lesser degree. Shump was the outside threat, with Tyson being the inside threat...on defense. And also, he's one of the few that can slash to the rim on the knicks and his shot has improved as the year went on. Lastly, even though he's excelled at the SG position, he's still practically the PG for 1/4 of the game.


Now, I understand why some people would be like (O_o) at having Shumpert up there in the title. And I DO agree that he's not as big/important as Rose/Dwight/Ray. But in the end, he was a big part of the Knicks success this year.

TheNumber37
04-29-2012, 12:42 PM
I can't decide, is it gonna be funnier this year or last year when the Heat don't win the the title.

jimm120
04-29-2012, 12:43 PM
I like how shump is on this list but not horford

I really think its dumb of you to bring up Shumpert in your comment, but I do agree with you with Horford. Excellent piece. Though, I can see why someone might have forgotten (considering that Horford has been out the whole season practically).

knicks4life33
04-29-2012, 12:47 PM
shumpert and lin

The Flash
04-29-2012, 12:48 PM
I'm saying Shump makes a big difference for the Knicks.

So does Horford -- but I honestly never consider the Hawks a real threat. [sorry]

Just saying that this makes it a lot easier for the Heat - most of their obstacles -- which they may have overcome regardless - -are out of the way in the East.

So you're saying that Knicks with healthy Shumpert are better than Hawks with healthy Hortford in a 7 game series?

kjoke
04-29-2012, 12:50 PM
How far would an all injured playoff eastern conference team go?

justinnum1
04-29-2012, 12:54 PM
Is Ray Allen definitely out for the playoffs?

no, he needs surgery tho, he has like chipped bones in his foot.

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 12:55 PM
So you're saying that Knicks with healthy Shumpert are better than Hawks with healthy Hortford in a 7 game series?

Knicks were better than the Hawks last year with no Shumpert, Tyson or Lin than the Hawks with a healthy Horford lol. This year? **** yeah they're better than the Hawks with a healthy Horford.

mjm07
04-29-2012, 12:59 PM
Strange, but true: Wade with Shumpert on court: 29.3 PPG avg 36 min. Shumpert OFF Court? Drops to 22.6 points per 36 min.

via twitter by Tom Haberstroh

D12 fan
04-29-2012, 01:04 PM
Dwight/Rose

Horford




Shumpert/Allen

Khri
04-29-2012, 01:04 PM
Oh look another stupid thread about us, how cute.

THE MTL
04-29-2012, 01:07 PM
Honestly, the Heat are being handed an NBA Finals appearance on a silver platter.

Every other team in the East besides the Sixers and Pacers are injured.
Knicks- Shumpert/Lin. Celtics- Allen. Hawks- Horford. Bulls- Rose. Orlando- Howard.

I say the only team that stands a chance is the Celtics, but honestly I think the Heat are too fast and athletic for them. The Heat completely took apart the Celtics last yr in the playoffs.

Reversed86Curse
04-29-2012, 01:11 PM
I'm saying Shump makes a big difference for the Knicks.

So does Horford -- but I honestly never consider the Hawks a real threat. [sorry]

Just saying that this makes it a lot easier for the Heat - most of their obstacles -- which they may have overcome regardless - -are out of the way in the East.

With or without Shumpert the Knicks are not a threat this year, sorry. However I think they can get a game out of the Heat and put a little wear and tear on them in the first round.

Horfords impact is underrated IMO. As a C's fan, I'm glad he's not playing but if he was, Hawks>Knicks all day.

Personally, I don't see the champ coming out of the East this year, regardless of who is out. Best case this year is teams lengthen their series against the Heat to wear them down

Reversed86Curse
04-29-2012, 01:12 PM
Honestly, the Heat are being handed an NBA Finals appearance on a silver platter.

Every other team in the East besides the Sixers and Pacers are injured.
Knicks- Shumpert/Lin. Celtics- Allen. Hawks- Horford. Bulls- Rose. Orlando- Howard.

I say the only team that stands a chance is the Celtics, but honestly I think the Heat are too fast and athletic for them. The Heat completely took apart the Celtics last yr in the playoffs.

I think the C's are better equipped this year though. More depth and perimeter defense, even without Allen

THE MTL
04-29-2012, 01:16 PM
With or without Shumpert the Knicks are not a threat this year, sorry. However I think they can get a game out of the Heat and put a little wear and tear on them in the first round.

Horfords impact is underrated IMO. As a C's fan, I'm glad he's not playing but if he was, Hawks>Knicks all day.

Personally, I don't see the champ coming out of the East this year, regardless of who is out. Best case this year is teams lengthen their series against the Heat to wear them down

I agree that the Knicks arent a threat this year but its more because of the first round matchup. Now, if we were a different seed 6th or 8th seed then hell yeah we would be a huge threat with Lin coming back in 2nd round. But yeah, it didnt happen that way so its whatever.

I think this is the Heat's year to win it all. Seriously, if they dont something is WRONG and the season is def. a failure. They are practically walking to the NBA Finals and being escorted by the refs too.

Wait till they verse your Celtics. You think that hardnosed defense that KG plays is going to fly with Lebron's Angels (refs). They will call foul before it is even committed. Trust me, it happened to Tyson Chandler.

dacreator101
04-29-2012, 01:39 PM
Its amazes me how you guys still talk about overated lin.. Yall saw he went 1 for 11 last time he played da heat...

JC_
04-29-2012, 01:39 PM
I agree that the Knicks arent a threat this year but its more because of the first round matchup. Now, if we were a different seed 6th or 8th seed then hell yeah we would be a huge threat with Lin coming back in 2nd round. But yeah, it didnt happen that way so its whatever.



Most Knicks fans/playes said they would gladly play the Heat. The series is not over yet but imo it wasn't a smart move.

Baller1
04-29-2012, 01:41 PM
The Heat were gonna make it to the Finals anyways, in my opinion... So now it'll just be easier I guess.

JC_
04-29-2012, 01:42 PM
Its amazes me how you guys still talk about overated lin.. Yall saw he went 1 for 11 last time he played da heat...

Lin is a good player who was way overplayed and tired when he played the Heat. The Heat shut him down yes but the dude was already gassed out.

gotoHcarolina52
04-29-2012, 01:48 PM
Strange, but true: Wade with Shumpert on court: 29.3 PPG avg 36 min. Shumpert OFF Court? Drops to 22.6 points per 36 min.

via twitter by Tom Haberstroh

Damn. It sucks that Wade will no longer have a chance to extend his "Take a Dump on Shump" streak.

Raps18-19 Champ
04-29-2012, 01:56 PM
Seriously - if they can't do it this year...

They had no problem with the East last year...

It was with the lone Western team.

I don't really know what you are trying to do here.

Chronz
04-29-2012, 01:58 PM
I'm saying Shump makes a big difference for the Knicks.

So does Horford -- but I honestly never consider the Hawks a real threat. [sorry]

Just saying that this makes it a lot easier for the Heat - most of their obstacles -- which they may have overcome regardless - -are out of the way in the East.
So why are you mentioning the Knicks?

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 01:58 PM
Damn. It sucks that Wade will no longer have a chance to extend his "Take a Dump on Shump" streak.

For real homes. A 9 yr superstar takin a dump on a rookie. Oooh! :speechless:

PleaseBeNice
04-29-2012, 01:59 PM
Hahaha get over it. Like shumpert would make the knicks win, magic with howard are no threat, heat got past bulls last year with rose, and they got past the c's with ray.

Chronz
04-29-2012, 02:00 PM
So you're saying that Knicks with healthy Shumpert are better than Hawks with healthy Hortford in a 7 game series?

Knicks were better than the Hawks last year with no Shumpert, Tyson or Lin than the Hawks with a healthy Horford lol. This year? **** yeah they're better than the Hawks with a healthy Horford.
Based on what?

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 02:00 PM
Knicks are soft mentally thx to D'Antoni. Only tough guy on there is TC. So no they're not a threat at all.

Chronz
04-29-2012, 02:03 PM
Damn. It sucks that Wade will no longer have a chance to extend his "Take a Dump on Shump" streak.

For real homes. A 9 yr superstar takin a dump on a rookie. Oooh! :speechless:
Remember when Wade was a rookie taking dumps on other stars? Yeah thats the difference

roshan3ai
04-29-2012, 02:04 PM
The Celtics are going to be their toughest match. That's gonna be a great series

KB-Pau-DH2012
04-29-2012, 02:05 PM
Basically, this is what it comes down to.

If either San Antonio or OKC gets to the finals, the Heat will dominate and win the championship and Lebron will be the finals MVP.

Why?


Because there is no one really to guard LeBron for an entire 48 minute span on the Spurs or OKC. LeBron will put up big numbers, dominate, and win.

There is only 1 team that will give LeBron James fits during a 7 game series, and that is the Los Angeles Lakers. They are the only team out west that has a chance to compete against Miami.



Why?



Answer: METTA WORLD PEACE.

He is the only one in this league that can annoy the hell out of LeBron in a 7 game series. He has the bulkiness, size, quick hands, and toughness to go after him. If he gets scored on, he'll just forget about it and go on to the next defensive possession. He's a crazy *** muther****er, a nutjob, but in terms of one-on-one defense, he's the best in the biz. He won't stop LeBron James, but he won't make life any easier for him either.

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 02:09 PM
Based on what?

4-2 against Hawks last season bruh

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 02:11 PM
Remember when Wade was a rookie taking dumps on other stars? Yeah thats the difference

Remember when Wade was a top 5 pick with the hype? Shump was a midtier pick who noone knew and got booed by Knicks fans themselves. Yeah. That's the difference.

naps
04-29-2012, 02:13 PM
They did it last year EASILY so what's your point? None of those players matters for the Heat. East was a cakewalk and it would be a cakewalk anyway. It's matter of who are coming out of West. And Shumpert with in same sentence with Dwight, Ray, and Rose? Jesus!!!

sixer04fan
04-29-2012, 02:14 PM
As someone else said, the Heat rolled through the East last year with all of those opponents healthy... The problem was beating a team from the West...

sixer04fan
04-29-2012, 02:14 PM
They did it last year EASILY so what's your point? None of those players matters for the Heat. East was a cakewalk and it would be a cakewalk anyway. It's matter of who are coming out of West. And Shumpert with in same sentence with Dwight, Ray, and Rose? Jesus!!!

Exactly.

sixer04fan
04-29-2012, 02:18 PM
Yup. Now the Shump is out, the Heat might actually have a chance.

are you serious?

Haha no, I was just making fun of the OP.

naps
04-29-2012, 02:18 PM
Honestly, the Heat are being handed an NBA Finals appearance on a silver platter.

Every other team in the East besides the Sixers and Pacers are injured.
Knicks- Shumpert/Lin. Celtics- Allen. Hawks- Horford. Bulls- Rose. Orlando- Howard.

I say the only team that stands a chance is the Celtics, but honestly I think the Heat are too fast and athletic for them. The Heat completely took apart the Celtics last yr in the playoffs.

Heat are being handed nothing. They would have blown out the Knicks and every other team in the east. Only Bulls and Celtics are the teams that can make it a 6 game series. They walked into the finals with their eyes closed last year. You guys are acting the Shumpert = Jordan. Most overrated players are from NY area. Now I know why people hate NY athletes and NY media.

Donuts365
04-29-2012, 02:23 PM
he means win a championships not get to the finals idiots

Chronz
04-29-2012, 02:24 PM
Basically, this is what it comes down to.

If either San Antonio or OKC gets to the finals, the Heat will dominate and win the championship and Lebron will be the finals MVP.

Why?


Because there is no one really to guard LeBron for an entire 48 minute span on the Spurs or OKC. LeBron will put up big numbers, dominate, and win.

There is only 1 team that will give LeBron James fits during a 7 game series, and that is the Los Angeles Lakers. They are the only team out west that has a chance to compete against Miami.



Why?



Answer: METTA WORLD PEACE.

He is the only one in this league that can annoy the hell out of LeBron in a 7 game series. He has the bulkiness, size, quick hands, and toughness to go after him. If he gets scored on, he'll just forget about it and go on to the next defensive possession. He's a crazy *** muther****er, a nutjob, but in terms of one-on-one defense, he's the best in the biz. He won't stop LeBron James, but he won't make life any easier for him either.
Arrest can't hold Bron any better than Leonard, the REAL reason will be the 2 seven footers having him

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 02:24 PM
They did it last year EASILY so what's your point? None of those players matters for the Heat. East was a cakewalk and it would be a cakewalk anyway. It's matter of who are coming out of West. And Shumpert with in same sentence with Dwight, Ray, and Rose? Jesus!!!

Lmaooo this! I love Shump but c'mon man, he's not even a star let alone a superstar like the other guys on that list.

The Knicks are not a threat and won't be until Amare's contract expires!! No cap room for a decent supporting cast and Amare is TURRIBLE for $20 mil.

The Real Big 3 did it the right way and did not load up on cash like Melo and Amare. I don't blame Stat and Melo for gettin $$ but I hope they never mention the word championship cuz if it was about winning, they would've followed the Big 3's path.

KB-Pau-DH2012
04-29-2012, 02:26 PM
Arrest can't hold Bron any better than Leonard, the REAL reason will be the 2 seven footers having him

As great as our 7 footers are, the impact needs to be made on the defensive end. The bigs need to rebound and contest shots inside, but to alleviate the pressure on the bigs, Ron (Arrest lol) has to limit LeBron's drive to the basket. He has to make him into a jumpshooter and limit LeBron from getting to the line.

NFLNBA
04-29-2012, 02:28 PM
Its really pathietic how easy the East has it! There were 2 Great teams with Bulls and Heat, Celtics are in the middle and Pacers are well they an take a game if the matchup is right but seriously! The road is soooo easy fro the heat to make it its pathetic!

West 1-8 are good and will beat eachother up. There are no easy games or teams you get to blowup by 40 points lol

But yes Heat will coast to the finals because of the Rose injury that was only team with a shot to beat them in the east and only challenge. They really do have a chance to go 12-0 before the playoffs. But i guessing they only lose 2 games and coast.

Whoever the Heat play in the Finals....OKC, Spurs, Lakers, Clippers ect will be there hardest challenge and will even prob get beat in the Finals again.

sixer04fan
04-29-2012, 02:29 PM
If Kobe, Bynum, Dirk, Parker, Duncan, Durant, or Westbrook go down with their team still making the finals, then we can start talking about the Heat having an easier path to a championship.

Bottom line, the Heat were pretty much expected to roll through the East anyways. Ray Allen, Shumpert (lol), and even Dwight or Rose weren't going to stop them.

Jay16
04-29-2012, 02:30 PM
So basically if Shumpert, Allen, Rose , Howard play the HEAT don't get to the finals ? Didn't they rape the Bulls and the Celtics last year ? That was after both teams practically swept them in the regular season ? Don't you haters learn anything ? Playoff basketball is not regular season basketball. It's a different game. You're not seeing Wade , LeBron, and Bosh at 70% in the playoffs. For anyone to stand there and say that the "only" reason we might get to the final is because Rose (which LeBron shut down last year), Howard (which would have a hard time getting anything from his enemies/team) , Allen (OLD) and Shumpert (I was thinking of what to put about this guy then I remembered .......it's Shumpert)......all got hurt, well that's just hating.

thekmp211
04-29-2012, 02:34 PM
Honestly, the Heat are being handed an NBA Finals appearance on a silver platter.

Every other team in the East besides the Sixers and Pacers are injured.
Knicks- Shumpert/Lin. Celtics- Allen. Hawks- Horford. Bulls- Rose. Orlando- Howard.

I say the only team that stands a chance is the Celtics, but honestly I think the Heat are too fast and athletic for them. The Heat completely took apart the Celtics last yr in the playoffs.

Rondo was playing with one arm. we have had their number this year, they can't stop rondo. his passing and our sets are good enough to score on the heat.

it will come down to how well they can stop lebron, who may just be unstoppable when its all said and done.

i'll put it this way - if lebron continues at yesterdays level, it's all over and none of this matters. if he's even human lebron, the celtics have a decent shot. we match up well and own the mental game against miami. it would be an epic series for sure, ray or not. but they can play with miami.

Wade>You
04-29-2012, 02:42 PM
Those teams were never standing in the Heat's way.

Oefarmy2005
04-29-2012, 02:46 PM
The Knicks are the worst team in the playoffs, no way they should be in this conversation.

new york blue
04-29-2012, 02:47 PM
Great season, NBA. Set it up with no trainers over the summer, shortened pre-season, stuffing too many games, many of them ruined because of back-to-back and similar, in a way that it is the least injured team that wins the final.
What a predictable cluster****? Who was the bright light who came up with this idea? Does he still have a job?

AceMan
04-29-2012, 02:51 PM
Ray's out? For the whole playoffs? When did this happen?

jimm120
04-29-2012, 02:57 PM
The Knicks are the worst team in the playoffs, no way they should be in this conversation.

Dude, seriously, what are you talking about???

You're talking as fanatical as those people that say the Knicks are a top 3 team in the whole NBA. NO WAY ARE THEY THE WORST!

It's pretty obvious they're better than...
-Philly :
limped to the playoffs. Regular 82 game season they would have eliminated themselves.

-Orlando:
Its one of those teams that the greatness of one player propels them. Just like lebron in Cleveland. Plus, no hedo.

-Utah :
Cmon, really?

And those are just the obvious ones! Then there are others with better records but that I think the Knicks are better than, such as...

-denver
-Memphis
-Atlanta
-Indiana

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 03:01 PM
The Knicks are the worst team in the playoffs, no way they should be in this conversation.

Yea they barely made it in at 8th.

Jarvo
04-29-2012, 03:14 PM
I dont think it matter if those guys did play the Heat was coming out the East *And no im not a Heat fan*

TheIlladelph16
04-29-2012, 03:14 PM
Dude, seriously, what are you talking about???

You're talking as fanatical as those people that say the Knicks are a top 3 team in the whole NBA. NO WAY ARE THEY THE WORST!

It's pretty obvious they're better than...
-Philly :
limped to the playoffs. Regular 82 game season they would have eliminated themselves.

-Orlando:
Its one of those teams that the greatness of one player propels them. Just like lebron in Cleveland. Plus, no hedo.

-Utah :
Cmon, really?

And those are just the obvious ones! Then there are others with better records but that I think the Knicks are better than, such as...

-denver
-Memphis
-Atlanta
-Indiana

I can live with you saying the Knicks are better than Philly and Orlando. Utah is a little questionable and I think they are an underrated team to watch out for.

The Knicks are in no way better than the Nuggets, Memphis, or Indiana. Atlanta MAYBE only because Horford has been out all season.

ryang
04-29-2012, 03:20 PM
dam crying about the heat winning before they win.. this gets better and better.. whoever wins the title deserves it regardless of the lockout and schedule.. so sixers dont make the playoffs and the bucks do? oh no.. or the jazz miss out and the suns got in?? oh no.. everybody is on a level playing field.. if the spurs win the title something tells me there fans wont care what you have to say..

Nabeshin
04-29-2012, 03:37 PM
Seriously - if they can't do it this year...

Has everyone forgot about OKC ? who will probably wipe the floor with the Heat in the finals.

Max.This
04-29-2012, 03:58 PM
Damn. It sucks that Wade will no longer have a chance to extend his "Take a Dump on Shump" streak.

Shump is still a rookie. Wade is a good player but Shump has 10+ years to get to the player that wade gets. Quite frankly he's showing more potential as a great defender than wade did when he was a rookie. Rookie < 10+ year veteran stop riding wades dick

ThePooH_1_
04-29-2012, 04:31 PM
It's looking like Heat is going all the way to the Finals this year.. But the Bulls aren't done yet, don't count us out.

Chronz
04-29-2012, 04:41 PM
4-2 against Hawks last season bruh

LOL thats it?

Chronz
04-29-2012, 04:43 PM
As great as our 7 footers are, the impact needs to be made on the defensive end. The bigs need to rebound and contest shots inside, but to alleviate the pressure on the bigs, Ron (Arrest lol) has to limit LeBron's drive to the basket. He has to make him into a jumpshooter and limit LeBron from getting to the line.

Like I said, the REAL difference makers will be their 7 footers, Artest isnt the kind of guy who can hold Bron on his own any more.



Remember when Wade was a top 5 pick with the hype? Shump was a midtier pick who noone knew and got booed by Knicks fans themselves. Yeah. That's the difference.
LOL we agree on that one, HUGE difference. Which is why the whole, hes just a rookie thing is such a laugh, he could be a 5 year pro and it wouldnt make a difference here.

WadeKobe
04-29-2012, 05:06 PM
Awesome!!!

B'sCeltsPatsSox
04-29-2012, 05:14 PM
Allen's a game time decision tonight and sounds pretty confident he's playing. Unless if there's a freak injury, not sure why he's on the list.

avrpatsfan
04-29-2012, 05:14 PM
Ray isn't out for the playoffs though...

avrpatsfan
04-29-2012, 05:16 PM
Allen's a game time decision tonight and sounds pretty confident he's playing. Unless if there's a freak injury, not sure why he's on the list.
Beat me to it haha

HiphopRelated
04-29-2012, 05:27 PM
you were always gonna see the Heat in the Finals

NoahH
04-29-2012, 06:08 PM
Yup. People are already saying if the Heat win there will forever be an asterisk beside this victory. SMH

Jonathan2323
04-29-2012, 06:31 PM
The HEAT coasted thru the East last year....

Deemerc
04-29-2012, 06:43 PM
I wouldn't count the bulls out. They were playing good without rose during the season. The hate and jealousy for the heat is ridiculous.

torocan
04-29-2012, 07:08 PM
It was never really a question of the likelihood of many of those teams beating the Heat, it was the question of those teams wearing down the heat through protracted playoff rounds BEFORE they got to the Finals.

A healthy Knicks, healthy Orlando, healthy Chicago increase the fatigue before they play the WC champion.

If it's a 6 or 5 game series vs a 4, close games versus chain blowouts, it all adds up to more and more minutes for Lebron/Wade/Bosh, increased physical contact, and in the end increased fatigue and risk of injury.

The Heat would most likely have been in the ECF, and had a very good chance of being in the Finals. However, add in enough time and fatigue, and you run the risk of losing critical players or players not being 100% for the finals, or even being eliminated entirely due to fatigue + injuries.

Imagine the impact if the first game injury had been Wade or Lebron instead of Rose or Shumpert.

It doesn't mean that Miami automatically loses, it just makes the path THAT much harder. More games, more fatigue, more small and nagging injuries, and the risk of more fatigue and injuries as the remaining players on the roster try to pick up the slack to pull out wins.

So yes, an easier path to the Finals increases the chance of a win in the finals substantially, especially if the WC team has had a long and difficult road to the championships.

To say that an "easier" path doesn't impact the result in the Finals doesn't make any sense at all.

Tougher opponents are tougher on a team's players. Period.

P Styles
04-29-2012, 07:09 PM
Injuries or not the heat were in the finals in my opinion

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 07:27 PM
LOL thats it?

Yeah its pathetic against a Horford led team, I know!

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 07:33 PM
LOL we agree on that one, HUGE difference. Which is why the whole, hes just a rookie thing is such a laugh, he could be a 5 year pro and it wouldnt make a difference here.[/QUOTE]

Yea being a 5 pro and being a rookie isn't different at all!

episodenone
04-29-2012, 07:39 PM
I put Ray on the list because I read on PSD home page that Doc said he was out and not sure on a timetable.

I never meant to say the Heat weren't going to the Finals -- but all these injuries certainly make it whole lot easier.

Even if Lin comes back for the Knicks -- I think he makes little to no difference.

Getting to the Finals is NEVER easy -- but from Miami's perspective -- it just got easier.

beasted86
04-29-2012, 07:42 PM
Shumpert had a solid season.

I watched replays of him for last years draft along with about 6 other PGs the HEAT had in it's reach. Looking back in hindsight he should have been higher on my board. He's not a PG (which has always been my biggest knock on him), but his defense is great.

Other posters might hate, but I give him his respect, he's a top 10 defensive guard in the NBA and he's only a rookie. Hope he bounces back.

episodenone
04-29-2012, 07:42 PM
Again - Shump made this list because of how important he is to the Knicks.

It's not a comparison to him being as good as other on the list -- but for the Knicks he is a huge piece. No one can deny - rookie or not - how big he has been on Defense this year.

Mcdoh
04-29-2012, 07:44 PM
i wont count out celtics yet...pacers might pull an upset.. but yeah heat has the likely chance..

Chronz
04-29-2012, 08:30 PM
If Shumpert is a huge piece for your team, then your not going anywhere

Chronz
04-29-2012, 08:38 PM
Yeah its pathetic against a Horford led team, I know!
Using proof of superiority against ANY 1 team like that is pathetic, hence the "thats it?" LMFAO your newbness to the game is apparent.




Yea being a 5 pro and being a rookie isn't different at all!
Who said that? What I said was you can give him as much experience as you want, it wouldnt change anything. You already admitted as much when you agreed that Wade didnt need those same excuses.

kyubi256
04-29-2012, 08:42 PM
Like the Heat weren't going to the Finals anyways...

blastmasta26
04-29-2012, 08:57 PM
Like the Heat weren't going to the Finals anyways...
They most likely were, but the Bulls were looking so good with Rose back. Could've been a great series with Miami and Chicago.

2-ONE-5
04-29-2012, 09:04 PM
Knicks were better than the Hawks last year with no Shumpert, Tyson or Lin than the Hawks with a healthy Horford lol. This year? **** yeah they're better than the Hawks with a healthy Horford.

wait, what? didnt the Knicks get swept in the first round while the hawks played in the 2nd?

(Insert excuse here)

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 09:06 PM
Using proof of superiority against ANY 1 team like that is pathetic, hence the "thats it?" LMFAO your newbness to the game is apparent.

Well the convo was comparing Knicks vs Hawks, Boss! Your newbness for following the progression of a discussion is apparent LMFAO.

Who said that? What I said was you can give him as much experience as you want, it wouldnt change anything. You already admitted as much when you agreed that Wade didnt need those same excuses.[/QUOTE]

Yea Wade is a superstar, Shump is not even a star. He didnt come with the same hype as Wade and as I mentioned earlier, Shump does not belong on this list. Only was quoting your quotes honey child :)

Jay16
04-29-2012, 09:08 PM
Has everyone forgot about OKC ? who will probably wipe the floor with the Heat in the finals.

LOL..... so cute at that age.

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 09:17 PM
wait, what? didnt the Knicks get swept in the first round while the hawks played in the 2nd?

(Insert excuse here)

No excuses at all. Injuries to key players are part of the game. Just said they were better than the Hawks head to head lol.

Chronz
04-29-2012, 09:24 PM
Well the convo was comparing Knicks vs Hawks, Boss!
Yes thats why I laughed at the pathetic attempt to quantify that superiority, lol what makes you think I didnt follow the topic. Im laughing at the notion that 1 team is better based on that limited sample of games. Truly newbish


Your newbness for following the progression of a discussion is apparent LMFAO.

Yes, in bizarrow land up is down, down is up, and you pee through your butt.


Yea Wade is a superstar, Shump is not even a star. He didnt come with the same hype as Wade and as I mentioned earlier, Shump does not belong on this list. Only was quoting your quotes honey child :)
Thats why the excuse that 1 was a rookie and the other wasnt was so pointless. You can give Shump as many years as you want it wouldnt change anything.

xxcubs22xx
04-29-2012, 09:36 PM
The Bulls without Rose still have a better chance to beat the HEAT than the Celtics. Don't count us out!

MonroeFAN
04-29-2012, 09:43 PM
The vast majority of fans around the league thought they were already favored to make it to the finals (again).

This is stupid. I have no idea why you would even mention Shumpert.

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 10:10 PM
Yes thats why I laughed at the pathetic attempt to quantify that superiority, lol what makes you think I didnt follow the topic. Im laughing at the notion that 1 team is better based on that limited sample of games. Truly newbish


Yes, in bizarrow land up is down, down is up, and you pee through your butt.



Thats why the excuse that 1 was a rookie and the other wasnt was so pointless. You can give Shump as many years as you want it wouldnt change anything.

Oooh snap! I shoulda known better than to argue with a basketball expert! Tell me why aren't you in the trade of analyzing basketball for a living instead of getting in a petty argument with a newb on an Internet site?

JasonJohnHorn
04-29-2012, 10:13 PM
I love how you got Shumpert in the conversation with Rose Dwight and Allen... lol

Chronz
04-29-2012, 10:13 PM
Oooh snap! I shoulda known better than to argue with a basketball expert! Tell me why aren't you in the trade of analyzing basketball for a living instead of getting in a petty argument with a newb on an Internet site?
Because I only know simple things like what I just described.

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 10:14 PM
If a head to head matchup doesn't matter to say which team is better than the other, why not just award the trophy to paper champions?

So a more experienced Shumpert would be the same as a rookie Shumpert? That makes a lot of sense. I guess in basketball, guys don't get better with more years in the association.

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 10:19 PM
Because I only know simple things like what I just described.

Aww you're too modest.

Chronz
04-29-2012, 10:22 PM
If a head to head matchup doesn't matter to say which team is better than the other, why not just award the trophy to paper champions?
LOL your not making any sense, but ok lets play that game, if head to head matchups matter then why even play the playoffs? See how stupid this argument sounds.



So a more experienced Shumpert would be the same as a rookie Shumpert?
Where did I say that? What I did say was that you can give Shumpert as much experience as you want and it wouldnt change anything we're talking about.


That makes a lot of sense. I guess in basketball, guys don't get better with more years in the association.

Your strawman arguments wont work here.

Chronz
04-29-2012, 10:24 PM
Aww you're too modest.

Nope its true, all my knowledge of projections and forecasting comes from the work of the true geniuses, I read their findings and I learn from them. You would be wise to do the same instead of guessing.

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 10:29 PM
LOL your not making any sense, but ok lets play that game, if head to head matchups matter then why even play the playoffs? See how stupid this argument sounds.



Where did I say that? What I did say was that you can give Shumpert as much experience as you want and it wouldnt change anything we're talking about.


Your strawman arguments wont work here.

I really think there shouldn't even be games played in the regular season. Just computer simulations lol

So once again, a 5 yr vet wouldn't be better than a rookie version of himself?

Not grasping for straws at all sir!

MarkieMark48
04-29-2012, 10:29 PM
Awesome!

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 10:31 PM
Nope its true, all my knowledge of projections and forecasting comes from the work of the true geniuses, I read their findings and I learn from them. You would be wise to do the same instead of guessing.

Well you're quite a genius for following other geniuses in your opinion. I look up to people like you on the Internet! :love:

Eagles4Lyfe
04-29-2012, 10:35 PM
we wont celtics baby

Chronz
04-29-2012, 10:42 PM
I really think there shouldn't even be games played in the regular season. Just computer simulations lol
That doesnt surprise me, your the kind of guy who thinks 4 games carries enormous weight.


So once again, a 5 yr vet wouldn't be better than a rookie version of himself?
Dude when you go in circles Im just going to copy and paste my prior response.

Where did I say that? What I did say was that you can give Shumpert as much experience as you want and it wouldnt change anything we're talking about.


Not grasping for straws at all sir!
LOL which is why you keep ducking the real points being made.



Well you're quite a genius for following other geniuses in your opinion. I look up to people like you on the Internet! :love:
Good, hopefully you can stop guessing and start researching.

nate2usmc
04-29-2012, 10:57 PM
That doesnt surprise me, your the kind of guy who thinks 4 games carries enormous weight.


Dude when you go in circles Im just going to copy and paste my prior response.

Where did I say that? What I did say was that you can give Shumpert as much experience as you want and it wouldnt change anything we're talking about.


LOL which is why you keep ducking the real points being made.



Good, hopefully you can stop guessing and start researching.

I'm disappointed. You're a genius and you used the word, dude. Well I kept saying Shumpert shouldn't have even been listed in the topic at all. If you're talking about the now so of course a superstar like Wade should take advantage of the rookie! Where was the ducking? Lol

I'll do the guessing from your research!

dodie53
04-29-2012, 11:12 PM
breaks of the game

smood999
04-29-2012, 11:14 PM
Laker vs Heat finals:hide:

i agree 100%...came on here to say that exact thing...Lakers will be champs...just have a feeling...

MTL_123
04-29-2012, 11:16 PM
i agree 100%...came on here to say that exact thing...Heats will be champs...just have a feeling...

lol fixed :D

Chronz
04-29-2012, 11:20 PM
I'm disappointed. You're a genius and you used the word, dude.
Well hopefully you've learned your lesson, Im not a genius and have never pretended to be one, dude.


Well I kept saying Shumpert shouldn't have even been listed in the topic at all. If you're talking about the now so of course a superstar like Wade should take advantage of the rookie! Where was the ducking? Lol

Im talking about ANY TIME, Shumpert can have as much experience as he wants, current Wade would still take a dump on him. Which is why blaming it on years served is a joke of an argument, you can give Shump as many years as you want, it wouldnt change anything.


I'll do the guessing from your research!
Your sentences are becoming less and less coherent.

lakersfan01
04-29-2012, 11:21 PM
Some of you guys act like these bums getting injured makes it any more probable that the Heat will make the Finals. The Magic, Knicks, & Celtics weren't competitors anyways, and the Bulls never really had a chance to beat the Heat in a 7 game series. Of course the Heat are going to make the Finals, it makes very little difference.

It won't get difficult for the Heat until they face the Spurs, Thunder, Grizzlies, or Lakers in the Finals.

Sactown
04-29-2012, 11:21 PM
If we were talking about any other team ever, who were 6 games above .500 they wouldn't be in any discussions of potential champions, but because it's the Knicks, they some how had a 50/50 chance to beat the HEAT until their rookie SG got injured...

I'm amazed at this..

lakersfan01
04-29-2012, 11:23 PM
If we were talking about any other team ever, who were 6 games above .500 they wouldn't be in any discussions of potential champions, but because it's the Knicks, they some how had a 50/50 chance to beat the HEAT until their rookie SG got injured...

I'm amazed at this..

100% agree.

Sactown
04-29-2012, 11:24 PM
100% agree.

The Knicks are arguably the worst team in the playoffs...

shizzle09
04-29-2012, 11:45 PM
Rose / Shump / Dwight / Ray IN we still in the finals. Now it's simply excuse time as to why they made it. Hope you enjoy every minute of their success

shizzle09
04-29-2012, 11:46 PM
Some of you guys act like these bums getting injured makes it any more probable that the Heat will make the Finals. The Magic, Knicks, & Celtics weren't competitors anyways, and the Bulls never really had a chance to beat the Heat in a 7 game series. Of course the Heat are going to make the Finals, it makes very little difference.

It won't get difficult for the Heat until they face the Spurs, Thunder, Grizzlies, or Lakers in the Finals.

agreed!!

Tmath
04-29-2012, 11:55 PM
Another one bites the dust

Raph12
04-29-2012, 11:57 PM
Yes but beating a healthy Spurs, Thunder, Lakers or Grizzlies squad won't be easy... They do have the easiest path to the Finals though.

Jay16
04-30-2012, 12:18 AM
i agree 100%...came on here to say that exact thing...Lakers will be champs...just have a feeling...

Maybe it's beause of how you "FEEL" about the heat.

nate2usmc
04-30-2012, 12:18 AM
Well hopefully you've learned your lesson, Im not a genius and have never pretended to be one, dude.


Im talking about ANY TIME, Shumpert can have as much experience as he wants, current Wade would still take a dump on him. Which is why blaming it on years served is a joke of an argument, you can give Shump as many years as you want, it wouldnt change anything.


Your sentences are becoming less and less coherent.

Well you are a genius and quite the prophet too. It's a shame you aren't at least a basketball scout for a college!

Sorry if I were speaking a foreign language but I meant: you do the research from your genius sources, I'm the newb so I'll just create my own hypothesis thanks to your research!

amos1er
04-30-2012, 12:22 AM
Yes but beating a healthy Spurs, Thunder, Lakers or Grizzlies squad won't be easy... They do have the easiest path to the Finals though.

Lebron also had an easy path to the finals back in 2007. Probly one of the top 3 easiest in NBA history.

Raph12
04-30-2012, 12:37 AM
Lebron also had an easy path to the finals back in 2007. Probly one of the top 3 easiest in NBA history.

Lebron had no business beating those Pistons in '07, he willed that team past Detroit and manned his way to the Finals, only to be swept by the clearly superior Spurs... How awesome would it be if we got to see Lebron vs Spurs; Round 2 lol.

SA5195
04-30-2012, 12:37 AM
Heat would have still won the series, Shump doesn't make a major difference IMO.

Sactown
04-30-2012, 02:03 AM
The best team always has the easiest path to the finals... they don't have to play themselves...

LA_Raiders
04-30-2012, 02:28 AM
too many flops kept the Cheat healthy i guess...

cutiepie80
04-30-2012, 03:22 AM
Dear God, the Heat and their fans can do no wrong. They can't be beat and anyone playing them doesn't have a chance.

You have to love a die hard organization like the Heat because there are no fair weather fans to that organization. I just wish I could have seen these same faces 5 years ago on PSD and their comments when they had the worst record in the league.

IIISSKiLL
04-30-2012, 03:47 AM
Miami were always the favorite to come out of the east i dont see why everyone is saying they will make it now.. sure chicago is good and so is boston but lets be honest we are a better team this year and chicago and boston look the same and we all know what happened last year.. you have to respect chicago for what they have done and boston but seriously you cant say rose is hurt so now miami goes to the finals.. guess we have to wait til next year to play them but i dont think i can handle another year of "yeah we would have taken you if rose was heathly" crap... i say we beat you last year and you havent proven you can beat the heat in the playoffs so until you do i dont want to hear it

Knicks21
04-30-2012, 03:57 AM
Dear God, the Heat and their fans can do no wrong. They can't be beat and anyone playing them doesn't have a chance.

You have to love a die hard organization like the Heat because there are no fair weather fans to that organization. I just wish I could have seen these same faces 5 years ago on PSD and their comments when they had the worst record in the league.

I really struggle to picture what this would be like, PSD would be so much peaceful with big market teams not performing.

undermeyou
04-30-2012, 04:54 AM
Miami was the favourites to come out of east anyway.This doesnt change anything.Maybe the odds of miami coming out of the east significantly increased.

eze1283
04-30-2012, 04:56 AM
I think its the Spurs Championship to lose. Half Court/Fast Break/ Defense/Rebounding/Youth/Vets....they quietly put together a pretty damn good team. Best part about their team, they are all fairly healthy.

bklynny67
04-30-2012, 05:15 AM
How far would an all injured playoff eastern conference team go?

Derek Rose
Ray Allen
Al Horford
Dwight Howard

Iman Shumpert
Jeremy Lin


Pretty solid team. Definitely would contend for the finals.

flclfanman
04-30-2012, 05:40 AM
Hate to admit it, but MIA has the best shot to get to the finals. Still not counting out my Bulls, but it's gonna be TOUGH for them.

episodenone
04-30-2012, 08:32 AM
I reiterate what this thread was about - since I started it ---

Not saying that because these injuries the Heat NOW can make it... just pointing out how much easier it will be for them and saying how there really are no excuses for them this year.

quade36
04-30-2012, 08:43 AM
Knicks were better than the Hawks last year with no Shumpert, Tyson or Lin than the Hawks with a healthy Horford lol. This year? **** yeah they're better than the Hawks with a healthy Horford.

Huh?????

Worse record during the season and a 4-0 first round exit better than a team that made it to the second round?

Now you are just trolling.

nate2usmc
04-30-2012, 09:35 AM
Huh?????

Worse record during the season and a 4-0 first round exit better than a team that made it to the second round?

Now you are just trolling.

Ok!

Audubon
04-30-2012, 10:05 AM
Short season with all the injuries...feel bad for them if they win this year. It will forever go down as an * next to it.

northsid3r
04-30-2012, 10:06 AM
How far would an all injured playoff eastern conference team go?

Let's put all the injured players together, move them up to Seattle and have a welcome back season for them.

Starting lineup:

PG: DerrickRose
SG: Eric Gordon
SF: Wilson Chandler
SF: Al Horford
C: Dwight Howard
:clap:

mjm07
04-30-2012, 11:04 AM
Short season with all the injuries...feel bad for them if they win this year. It will forever go down as an * next to it.

Is that the same * next to the Spurs title in the last shortened season?

Injuries are a part of any sport, it happens!

ManRam
04-30-2012, 11:07 AM
I won't give the Heat any credit if they win it all this year! NONE!



But seriously. Sucks about all these big injuries. The Rose one especially. If I'm a Heat fan I'm pretty upset. Beating your biggest challenger to the throne without their best player kind of sucks. You always wanna play them when they have their full health. The knicks losing Shump sucks, same with Ray and Boston...but even if either team are healthy, I don't think they're beating Miami in 7 games. Same with Dwight and the Magic.

But yeah, it definitely seems like the road to the Finals is a lot easier than it looked to be a few weeks ago.


But if they do win it all, I don't see why anyone would treat it differently. Shortened season, injuries, or whatever...if they survived it, well, they survived it. Every team had an equal shot when they started the season...

knicks4life33
04-30-2012, 11:13 AM
the KNICKS dont have lin and shumpert then ATLANTA doesnt have horford then ORLANDO doesnt have howard then CHICAGO doesnt have rose then BOSTON doesnt have allen. There path to the NBA finals is so easy its ridiculous.

teddygreen17
04-30-2012, 11:21 AM
Yeah, if Heat don't get to the finals...Lebron's legacy will be destroyed.

Sinestro
04-30-2012, 11:25 AM
Honestly only the Bulls IMO had a chance to put up a fight, but even then it was kind of a longshot in most peoples eyes if they could take them out I'm just surprised NONE of the Big 3 have been on the shelf or had terrible injuries in this condensed season, I thought they would suffer the injuries and not the Bulls but alas even if it can be argued that their path to the finals is "easier" Major props and Kudos to them for staying relatively healthy in this condensed season

ne3xchamps
04-30-2012, 11:30 AM
Is Ray Allen definitely out for the playoffs?

No he isn't, I have no clue what the OP is on. Not to mention the fact that we beat miami 2 times without ray. So.........

nate2usmc
04-30-2012, 11:46 AM
For those saying Heat don't deserve credit, and I'm not being sarcastic for once, that's unfair. Last year was the worst the Heat are gonna be and it is expected of them to make the finals EVERY year until the Big 3's contracts end. The officiating stunk in the 2nd qtr against the Knicks but the Heat took care of business and are the best team in the East. That game wouldn't have been close in the end anyway.

Just because the road is much easier for them to get there and it was a lockout season, it doesn't mean there should be an * next to their title (if they win it).

mjm07
04-30-2012, 12:02 PM
I won't give the Heat any credit if they win it all this year! NONE!



But seriously. Sucks about all these big injuries. The Rose one especially. If I'm a Heat fan I'm pretty upset. Beating your biggest challenger to the throne without their best player kind of sucks. You always wanna play them when they have their full health. The knicks losing Shump sucks, same with Ray and Boston...but even if either team are healthy, I don't think they're beating Miami in 7 games. Same with Dwight and the Magic.

But yeah, it definitely seems like the road to the Finals is a lot easier than it looked to be a few weeks ago.


But if they do win it all, I don't see why anyone would treat it differently. Shortened season, injuries, or whatever...if they survived it, well, they survived it. Every team had an equal shot when they started the season...

Perfectly stated. I am very pissed that the Knicks, Bulls, Celtics are not completely healthy. I wanted no excuses from the haters/rivals(although thats impossible) if we go on to win the championship this year.

RaiderLakersA's
04-30-2012, 12:25 PM
Seriously - if they can't do it this year...

Knock on wood, but the prevailing theme here is that a season ending injury can happen at any time to anyone. So don't be too quick to crown the Heat, because like other teams, they are an injury to a superstar (LeBron, Bosh or Wade) from being out of the hunt.

In fact, let's start another silly thread: "If none of the remaining teams left has any of its superstars, who wins?"

torocan
04-30-2012, 12:59 PM
Perfectly stated. I am very pissed that the Knicks, Bulls, Celtics are not completely healthy. I wanted no excuses from the haters/rivals(although thats impossible) if we go on to win the championship this year.

This, though from a Knicks fan perspective.

Healthy teams make for good basketball, win or lose.

It's much easier to swallow losing in the playoffs when you have your team healthy and able to play. Then you can at least blame the players/coaching/front office if they lose and hope that changes take place.

It's hard to get mad at crappy luck for any extended period of time. It's not like you can fire "bad luck", or trade it, or send it down to the D-Leagues. You get stuck with it and that's that.

Similarly, if you win then the other side doesn't have any excuses assuming the officiating is somewhat even.

I hate the idea of going an entire season to get a playoff berth, then knowing your team is undermanned and limping on the court against a healthy team. I'm sure Heat fans would feel the same way if Lebron or Wade got knocked out during the playoffs and it resulted in the Heat's elimination.

To lose under those circumstances just leaves you with alot of "what ifs" in your head. Never a fun way to end the season.

Unfortunately, there's way too many teams in that boat right now. Too many teams that when they are most likely eliminated, will always have in their head "What if?".

Stinkyoutsider
04-30-2012, 01:09 PM
I think Miami had the most talented group of players before the playoffs started. Now that there's all these injuries, the Heat have to be looking to the Finals. It will be a failure if they don't win now...

episodenone
04-30-2012, 03:34 PM
No he isn't, I have no clue what the OP is on. Not to mention the fact that we beat miami 2 times without ray. So.........

The OP was on nothing -- except the home page of PSD that had a story about Ray Allen not playing.

i know this because... I am the OP.

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/doc-thinks-ray-allens-a-nogo-654077.html

episodenone
04-30-2012, 03:37 PM
Perfectly stated. I am very pissed that the Knicks, Bulls, Celtics are not completely healthy. I wanted no excuses from the haters/rivals(although thats impossible) if we go on to win the championship this year.

I would never make an excuse -- but have an explanation for why.

So Ewing goes down and the Knicks make the Finals... doesn't guarantee the loss wouldn't have happened anyway.

Because when push comes to shove - staying healthy is all part of the game.

ackar
04-30-2012, 03:41 PM
NOOOOOOO!!!!!

Da Bulls!

Bring The Heat
04-30-2012, 05:23 PM
Come on now... Shumpert missing is the difference between the Knicks advancing or not? This is ridiculous.. The guy is not even close to being an all-star right now. He poses no threat to the Heat. Yes he is a nice defender but he does not make or break the series, Sorry try again. And Jeremy Lin did not give us any problem when we faced him.

Bring The Heat
04-30-2012, 05:24 PM
We've already proven we can beat a healthy C's team with Ray Allen & and bulls team with derrick rose. How about you all stop hating and making excuses for the future if the Heat reach the finals and win the championship. Its not their fault they stayed healthy, if they win it all this year they earned it. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

MagicHero3
04-30-2012, 06:05 PM
I won't give the Heat any credit if they win it all this year! NONE!



But seriously. Sucks about all these big injuries. The Rose one especially. If I'm a Heat fan I'm pretty upset. Beating your biggest challenger to the throne without their best player kind of sucks. You always wanna play them when they have their full health. The knicks losing Shump sucks, same with Ray and Boston...but even if either team are healthy, I don't think they're beating Miami in 7 games. Same with Dwight and the Magic.

But yeah, it definitely seems like the road to the Finals is a lot easier than it looked to be a few weeks ago.


But if they do win it all, I don't see why anyone would treat it differently. Shortened season, injuries, or whatever...if they survived it, well, they survived it. Every team had an equal shot when they started the season...

I think the West will win it again this year and Wade will be injured during the finals. i agree though to a point that they won't get much credit for GETTING to the finals with all these superstars out, but the top of the west (SA, LA, OKC, DAL) has been much more durable recently than the contenders in the east (CHI, BOS, ORL, NYK, ATL). So if they win it all, I think they deserve props. Winning the East should be cake for them now though.

NYSpirit1
04-30-2012, 06:37 PM
It's almost unfair.

A completely healthy team gets to go through a team with Amare, Jeffries, Chandler, Baron Davis and Shumpert all playing injured and completely without Jeremy Lin, a gift of a second round matchup between Orlando (without Howard)-Indiana and now don't even have to worry about the Bulls because they don't have Rose and now the Celtics might go down 2-0 without Rondo, nonethless, it doesn't matter because the Hawks don't have Horford.

If LeBron doesn't win a title this year, then he's a bigger choke artist than Malone, Barkley and Ewing - combined.

Somehow and someway, this stupid schedule has managed to derail so many teams except for the Heat. Howard's out, Rose is out, Lin & Shumpert are out, Ray Allen's out, Billups & Butler are out and plenty more are playing injured.

KB-Pau-DH2012
04-30-2012, 06:39 PM
Yes

Mr Costanza
04-30-2012, 06:39 PM
I sincerely hate the threads you make but for some reason I can't help but go in and read what you came up with this time.

justinnum1
04-30-2012, 06:39 PM
:facepalm:

dumbest thread ever, and there is one identical to this already.
in fact if you just looked at 4 threads down its right there
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=716045

:facepalm:X10

RaiderLakersA's
04-30-2012, 06:40 PM
Here's a thought: why not wait to see how the Finals shake out before starting threads like this one?

JC_
04-30-2012, 06:40 PM
It's almost unfair.

A completely healthy team gets to go through a team with Amare, Jeffries, Chandler, Baron Davis and Shumpert all playing injured and completely without Jeremy Lin, a gift of a second round matchup between Orlando-Indiana and now don't even have to worry about the Bulls because they don't have Rose and now the Celtics might go down 2-0 without Rondo.

If LeBron doesn't win a title this year, then he's a bigger choke artist than Malone, Barkley and Ewing - combined.

Good thread. More Knick fan excuses:clap:.

/bump

AI
04-30-2012, 06:40 PM
I sincerely hate the threads you make but for some reason I can't help but go in and read what you came up with this time.

This. Kid needs to get a life.

netsgiantsyanks
04-30-2012, 06:42 PM
i'm pretty sure shumpert isn't going to play with a torn acl/meniscus. that's just me though.

t_money25
04-30-2012, 06:43 PM
Excuses, excuses, excuses....SMH

ThePooH_1_
04-30-2012, 06:43 PM
it seems like finally everybody is hating the Heat .. lol

Mr Costanza
04-30-2012, 06:43 PM
He got banned twice in the knick forum for making threads like this. The nba mods will catch on to him soon enough.

ManRam
04-30-2012, 06:44 PM
It's almost unfair.

A completely healthy team gets to go through a team with Amare, Jeffries, Chandler, Baron Davis and Shumpert all playing injured and completely without Jeremy Lin, a gift of a second round matchup between Orlando (without Howard)-Indiana and now don't even have to worry about the Bulls because they don't have Rose and now the Celtics might go down 2-0 without Rondo.

If LeBron doesn't win a title this year, then he's a bigger choke artist than Malone, Barkley and Ewing - combined.

Somehow and someway, this stupid schedule has managed to derail so many teams except for the Heat. Howard's out, Rose is out, Lin & Shumpert are out, Ray Allen's out, Billups & Butler are out and plenty more are playing injured.

Already bracing ourselves for ways to bash LeBron! Preemptive bashing! Preemptive excuse-making.

Let me guess, you think that if the Heat win they should get an asterisk or some **** too :laugh:

Sure, it's easier now. Oh well. They stayed healthy, props to them.

"Not fair"? Come on. Injuries are part of the game...and significant injuries happen every single year. I still haven't seen any statistical evidence suggesting that the rate of injury is actually higher than ever before. It does feel like more stars are out, but I've actually read more articles suggesting that the rate of injury isn't significantly (in a statistical sense) higher than years in the past.

AI
04-30-2012, 06:49 PM
NYSpirit's threads are almost as bad as the officiating in game 1.

thekmp211
04-30-2012, 06:49 PM
he's right guys.

let's blow up boston, new york and indiana and create a super team worthy of facing the heat.

rondo/hill
allen/barbosa
melo/pierce
kg/west
chandler/hibbert

what do you want? **** happens. them beating the western conference champ is not a foregone conclusion either. san antonio for one is a team fully capable of spanking miami. lets just hope the level of play and officiating improves and enjoy the playoffs.

Sota4Ever
04-30-2012, 06:53 PM
One of the main reasons why Lebron stayed in the east. Easier road to the finals every year.

ManRam
04-30-2012, 06:53 PM
he's right guys.

let's blow up boston, new york and indiana and create a super team worthy of facing the heat.

rondo/hill
allen/barbosa
melo/pierce
kg/west
chandler/hibbert

what do you want? **** happens. them beating the western conference champ is not a foregone conclusion either. san antonio for one is a team fully capable of spanking miami. lets just hope the level of play and officiating improves and enjoy the playoffs.

Clearly creating a super team just so the Heat don't make it to the Finals is the only fair option!!!

Yeah. **** happens. Many championship teams have benefited from other contenders suffering injuries. We're talking about sports here...**** does indeed happen.

I don't get how it's not "fair".

Slimsim
04-30-2012, 06:53 PM
To bad so sad **** happen. Iman comeback soon

NYKnicks4511
04-30-2012, 06:54 PM
It's almost unfair.

A completely healthy team gets to go through a team with Amare, Jeffries, Chandler, Baron Davis and Shumpert all playing injured and completely without Jeremy Lin, a gift of a second round matchup between Orlando (without Howard)-Indiana and now don't even have to worry about the Bulls because they don't have Rose and now the Celtics might go down 2-0 without Rondo, nonethless, it doesn't matter because the Hawks don't have Horford.

If LeBron doesn't win a title this year, then he's a bigger choke artist than Malone, Barkley and Ewing - combined.

Somehow and someway, this stupid schedule has managed to derail so many teams except for the Heat. Howard's out, Rose is out, Lin & Shumpert are out, Ray Allen's out, Billups & Butler are out and plenty more are playing injured.

First off, Malone, Barkley, and Ewing were not 'choke artists,' I don't know how old you are or where you're getting this idea from. It's false. They didn't sell out on their squads while in their prime.


Secondly, there's a thing called fresh air. Get outside, off the computer, and get a life. Your threads are bad, and you should feel bad.

5ass
04-30-2012, 06:56 PM
The heat will never win a championship even if they win a championship. Stop the hate guys its not their fault they were able to stay relatively healthy.

kozelkid
04-30-2012, 06:56 PM
Already bracing ourselves for ways to bash LeBron! Preemptive bashing! Preemptive excuse-making.

Let me guess, you think that if the Heat win they should get an asterisk or some **** too :laugh:

Sure, it's easier now. Oh well. They stayed healthy, props to them.

"Not fair"? Come on. Injuries are part of the game...and significant injuries happen every single year. I still haven't seen any statistical evidence suggesting that the rate of injury is actually higher than ever before. It does feel like more stars are out, but I've actually read more articles suggesting that the rate of injury isn't significantly (in a statistical sense) higher than years in the past.

I definitely haven't seen much evidence to suggest that even more stars are injured than before. The whole shortened season complaint is SO overblown.

Seriously, this has to be the 5th thread complaining about how "easy" Miami's path is.

Injuries are part of the game. There's no reason to blame Miami for staying healthy.

Lakerhead4ever
04-30-2012, 06:57 PM
:facepalm:

dumbest thread ever, and there is one identical to this already.
in fact if you just looked at 4 threads down its right there
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=716045

:facepalm:X10

i agree that this is a dumb thread but i was thinking about the same thing. and im sure the heat know that they have it extremely easy in the east.

there is not one team that can compete with them now that rose and howard are gone

meanwhile the western conference is so unpredictable lol

lucky punks lol

justinnum1
04-30-2012, 06:59 PM
^nothing is easy, whoever comes out the west is going to be very difficult to beat

NoahH
04-30-2012, 07:03 PM
In before the close :dance:

I've seen like ten of these threads. This should be closed.

Sactown
04-30-2012, 07:20 PM
This is what? The 10th thread that Knicks have made crying about the Heat?

thekmp211
04-30-2012, 07:31 PM
Clearly creating a super team just so the Heat don't make it to the Finals is the only fair option!!!

Yeah. **** happens. Many championship teams have benefited from other contenders suffering injuries. We're talking about sports here...**** does indeed happen.

I don't get how it's not "fair".

damn miami and it's resilient bones and ligaments!!!! we are the 99%!!!

Lakerhead4ever
04-30-2012, 07:34 PM
^nothing is easy, whoever comes out the west is going to be very difficult to beat


of course. i didnt say the heat are going to win it all cuz i dont think will, but i said their path to the finals will be very easy.

im sure u can agree on that. but i know u arent since your such a humble person

ne3xchamps
04-30-2012, 07:53 PM
Life isn't fair.

Chronz
05-01-2012, 01:39 PM
It's almost unfair.
Only if you think these kind of things dont happen every year. The Heat had by far the toughest road to the Finals last year. This year they got an easier matchup, welcome to the NBA. Should we go back and DQ every title won by teams who had a cupcake walk to the Finals? You will be destroying alot of titles.


Somehow and someway, this stupid schedule has managed to derail so many teams except for the Heat. Howard's out, Rose is out, Lin & Shumpert are out, Ray Allen's out, Billups & Butler are out and plenty more are playing injured.
Some how some way, Bron is built like a tank.

JordansBulls
05-01-2012, 04:28 PM
Despite the injury to Rose, the Bulls probably are still the best team to deal with Miami simply because they don't have to win a game in Miami to beat them.

8kobe24
05-01-2012, 04:43 PM
Despite the injury to Rose, the Bulls probably are still the best team to deal with Miami simply because they don't have to win a game in Miami to beat them.

I agree, Protect home court at all cost... I know its easier said than done, but it is very do-able. I know the Bulls player will be pumped for that series, time for a little payback wink wink.

JordansBulls
05-01-2012, 04:57 PM
I agree, Protect home court at all cost... I know its easier said than done, but it is very do-able. I know the Bulls player will be pumped for that series, time for a little payback wink wink.

Yep!! It is more probable that the Bulls could win all 4 games at home vs Miami than it is for one of those other teams in the East now to win a game in Miami and then still win 3 home games vs Miami.

Sssmush
05-01-2012, 05:33 PM
Uh, this may allow some of the NBA's big stars to save some face and hang on to some imaginary bragging rights, but I'm pretty sure it was always going to be the Heat in the Finals, from the very first day of the season.

The Bulls had maybe a 1 in 5 shot of getting to the Finals, possibly, but Orlando, New York and Boston had virtually no chance whatsoever of getting there. None.

Chronz
05-01-2012, 05:34 PM
Despite the injury to Rose, the Bulls probably are still the best team to deal with Miami simply because they don't have to win a game in Miami to beat them.

Nah, its more because of the talent they have than HCA

John Walls Era
05-01-2012, 05:53 PM
WTF is JB preaching about?

Mr.Nate30
05-01-2012, 09:26 PM
Players to miss atleast 1 game because of injury:

PG: Rose/Lin
SG: Allen/Billups/Shumpert
SF: Butler
PF: Horford/Arthur
C: Howard/Splitter

blastmasta26
05-01-2012, 10:05 PM
Players to miss atleast 1 game because of injury:

PG: Rose/Lin
SG: Allen/Billups/Shumpert
SF: Butler
PF: Horford/Arthur
C: Howard/Splitter
There's also Amare.

Sactown
05-01-2012, 10:50 PM
There's also Amare.

He didn't want to list the 3rd string players :rolleyes:

kalveinarthur
05-01-2012, 11:01 PM
CHI really needs the presence of DRose at this time, he is the only conductor of the team and dictates, Luol can't. so sad for CHI if they can't enter the 2nd round. ufo sightings (http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2012/04/ufo-or-orb-over-rome-italy-28-apr-2012.html)

JordansBulls
05-01-2012, 11:27 PM
Damn the Bulls suck balls. I thought Boozer and Deng would show up and they didn't.