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ChiSox219
04-28-2012, 07:14 PM
Bill Simmons ‏ @sportsguy33
Asterisk titles last 40 yrs: 2012 (Rose), 09 (KG), 06 (Refs), 05 (melee), 02 (refs), 99 (strike), 94 + 95 (MJ), 78 (Walton), 73 (Havlicek).

:eyebrow:

Sportfan
04-28-2012, 07:15 PM
lol :laugh:

wait happend in 06 again tho? my mind is slipping...

bholly
04-28-2012, 07:17 PM
He's wrong. None of them deserve asterisks. '99 is the only contender, and I think we've seen that winning one of these crazy seasons is just as tough as winning any other.

iam brett favre
04-28-2012, 07:17 PM
I think this year really could get a * because of the shortened season.

spurs4#5
04-28-2012, 07:18 PM
99 title doesnt deserve an *...oh wait maybe it does since we played less games than everyone else in the nba and had more time to prepare

SportsFanatic10
04-28-2012, 07:19 PM
lol :laugh:

wait happend in 06 again tho? my mind is slipping...

wade turned into mj

willabeast77
04-28-2012, 07:19 PM
If he's making up excuses, then what about 07'?

Bruno
04-28-2012, 07:19 PM
He's wrong. None of them deserve asterisks. '99 is the only contender, and I think we've seen that winning one of these crazy seasons is just as tough as winning any other.

x2.

And even in '99, the Spurs went on to prove themselves three more times so they get a pass in my book.

KB-Pau-DH2012
04-28-2012, 07:20 PM
lol :laugh:

wait happend in 06 again tho? my mind is slipping...

I think he means 07, and he's referring to the 07 Semis b/w Suns and Spurs where Horry hip-checked Nash and STAT got suspended for coming off the bench.

KB-Pau-DH2012
04-28-2012, 07:20 PM
wade turned into mj

Oh yea, that's right, the 9 billion free throw attempts. :laugh2:

bholly
04-28-2012, 07:21 PM
I especially like how he makes '12 and '09 asterisk titles because of Rose and KG, but no mention of Bynum the year Boston won...

kjoke
04-28-2012, 07:22 PM
since rose is injured i guess this season is a waste

still1ballin
04-28-2012, 07:22 PM
I think he means 07, and he's referring to the 07 Semis b/w Suns and Spurs where Horry hip-checked Nash and STAT got suspended for coming off the bench.

No I think he is referring where Wade shot 40 FTs a game in the finals against Dallas

Sportfan
04-28-2012, 07:23 PM
I especially like how he makes '12 and '09 asterisk titles because of Rose and KG, but no mention of Bynum the year Boston won...
when he was a 13/10 center? i guess 2010 gets one too since perk was out game 7

Bruno
04-28-2012, 07:23 PM
injuries happen. its a bummer, but its a part of the game. thats why the all-time greats are also iron-men. you gotta be able to not only have a great peak ability, but be able to play at a high level for 100 or so games per season (non-lockout) to rack up titles.

Chronz
04-28-2012, 07:23 PM
Wait so Rose gos down and its an asterisk but Duncan gos down in 2000 and not a peep? Injuries are part of the game MR Historian wannabe

Chronz
04-28-2012, 07:25 PM
when he was a 13/10 center? i guess 2010 gets one too since perk was out game 7

13-10 in limited minutes, efficient offense/defense, All-Star caliber advanced stats, not to mention the Lakers were without their best SF.

Yea thats TOTALLY comparable to losing Perkins

ChiSox219
04-28-2012, 07:25 PM
Injuries are part of the game MR Historian wannabe

:laugh2:

still1ballin
04-28-2012, 07:26 PM
when he was a 13/10 center? i guess 2010 gets one too since perk was out game 7

A 13/10 center and a defensive presence in the paint. Who would not take that. Celtics had a field day in the paint in that series. Lets not forget Ariza was injuried as well in the series so thats 2 starters out in that series.

Makes a huge difference.

Chronz
04-28-2012, 07:27 PM
How the **** is Bill Walton going down an asterisk?? If anything Bill Waltons titles should have asterisks next to them because him staying healthy was the freak occurrence.

Bruno
04-28-2012, 07:28 PM
How the **** is Bill Walton going down an asterisk?? If anything Bill Waltons titles should have asterisks next to them because him staying healthy was the freak occurrence.

:laugh2:

Chronz
04-28-2012, 07:29 PM
Dirk, Webber went down in 2003, Shaq and Kobe lost any semblance of support.

Lets try to put an asterisk on every championship.

I do think some titles won are more meaningful than others but its not as simple as hes making it out to be.

Chronz
04-28-2012, 07:31 PM
02 refs? What the **** is he talking about? The Sixers vs Bucks?

If hes talking about the Lakers vs Kings series then someone show the man the footage of the ENTIRE series. It was a horribly officiated game both ways, just in different games. If I didnt know any better it looked like they were helping the Kings stay in the series.

bucketss
04-28-2012, 07:32 PM
is this the real bill simmons or does simmons have two twitter accounts coud have sworn i was just looking at a verified bill simmons twitter account that looked nothing like that

JasonJohnHorn
04-28-2012, 07:32 PM
Its true though... this season has a big * next to it because of Rose's injury.
But the year's without Jordan were hard fought titles. I believe the Rockets and Knicks could have both beaten the Bulls those seasons. Those titles are not a gimmie for the Bulls if Jordan hadn't retired. They were also missing Horace Grant the second season which was a huge loss for a team that didn't have a center that could rebound.

But yeah... I really thought the Bulls were going all the way this year.

b0nk
04-28-2012, 07:33 PM
how bout magic+scott with the hamstring injuries

JasonJohnHorn
04-28-2012, 07:34 PM
02 refs? What the **** is he talking about? The Sixers vs Bucks?

If hes talking about the Lakers vs Kings series then someone show the man the footage of the ENTIRE series. It was a horribly officiated game both ways, just in different games. If I didnt know any better it looked like they were helping the Kings stay in the series.

I think it was the officiating in the Philly/Toronot series.... Toronto would have went all the way that year if the officials would have only cut them a break. And if McGrady had stayed. What if.... what if....

Chronz... I know you are a McGrady fan... come on, if he had stayed in Toronto they would have won a title... no?

naps
04-28-2012, 07:40 PM
It's part of the game. WoW! People are trying to make it a bigger deal than it is.

naps
04-28-2012, 07:44 PM
Rose is a great a player but it's not like he's the only one. So whichever team wins it all will have to beat the other great players as well. A team that can beat LeBron/Wade/Kobe/Durant/CP3 can beat the Rose as well. No need for an asterisk just because one of the top players went down.

bholly
04-28-2012, 07:44 PM
He added this:


Bill Simmons ‏ @sportsguy33
PS- by "asterisk title" I mean we will remember those seasons not just by the champ but by something else. Forgot Oscar in 74, that's 1 more

Bruno
04-28-2012, 07:45 PM
If hes talking about the Lakers vs Kings series then someone show the man the footage of the ENTIRE series. It was a horribly officiated game both ways, just in different games. If I didnt know any better it looked like they were helping the Kings stay in the series.

During the 2002 WCF the Kings shot 204 free throws (29.1 FTA per game), the Lakers shot 185 (26.4 FTA per game).

During the 2002 regular season the Kings were 5th in total FTA (2,154), and the Lakers were 6th, (2,138). The Kings averaged 26.26 free throw attempts per game as a team during the regular season. The Laker averaged 26.07 free throw attempts per game as a team.

As horribly as that series was called, it's interesting how close to their regular season averages each team was during the WCF (advantage Sacramento). LAL was on their season average in FTA per game during the WCF, Sacramento was a bit higher.

The only standout stat to me is that Sacramento got to the line more, both in the season and the WCF, despite LAL having Shaq and Kobe, who were #1 and #5 in free-throws attempted for the regular season. :shrug:

llemon
04-28-2012, 07:47 PM
Injuries are as much part of the game as missed free throws.

koreancabbage
04-28-2012, 07:49 PM
championships are earned still. ******** to think of any championships should be asterisked. OP's 2012 asterisk is freakin ridiculous lol. I wouldn't even think Chicago was the favorites to win it all anyways

kozelkid
04-28-2012, 07:55 PM
This is ridiculous. With this logic, there will be an "asterisk" on every season cause the season is not played on paper. Injuries are a part of the game; you have to deal with it.

Valkyrie
04-28-2012, 09:14 PM
I still dont even think Miami wins it this year for people already giving them asterik.. If Rose didnt get hurt, I had Chicago in 7 over Miami... I still think OKC or SA will beat them. We dont have HCA.

gotoHcarolina52
04-28-2012, 09:18 PM
Bill Simmons is one of the most successful attention whores around. He's also a blathering idiot.

stawka
04-28-2012, 09:20 PM
No season deserves a *

Teams still go through trades, training camp, injuries, season, playoffs and finals. It's not like they don't go through any ups and downs

Jayrich28
04-28-2012, 09:24 PM
This is ridiculous. With this logic, there will be an "asterisk" on every season cause the season is not played on paper. Injuries are a part of the game; you have to deal with it.

exactly there hasnt been one season in any sport without a important injury or event that hasnt change who wins it all.

Tha Truth
04-28-2012, 09:30 PM
The Heat would beat the Bulls whether Rose is playing or not.

llemon
04-28-2012, 09:34 PM
The Heat would beat the Bulls whether Rose is playing or not.

So if the Bulls beat the Heat, does that deserve an asterisk?

naps
04-28-2012, 09:35 PM
This is ridiculous. With this logic, there will be an "asterisk" on every season cause the season is not played on paper. Injuries are a part of the game; you have to deal with it.

/Thread.

Tha Truth
04-28-2012, 09:39 PM
So if the Bulls beat the Heat, does that deserve an asterisk?

No.

It deserves 2 lol

Giraffes Rule
04-28-2012, 09:43 PM
There should be an asterisk for every title after 2000 because Antonio McDyess got hurt and never recovered his game and Grant Hill too and now Brandon Roy and Greg Oden and hey guys this is ****ing stupid. Every year has something unexpected happen. That's why people like sports. You can't predict it, you can't script it, and you can't put an asterisk next to anything just because it didn't go like you thought it would.

da ThRONe
04-28-2012, 10:04 PM
I know a lot of people like Bill Simmons, but he makes a lot more dumb points than smart ones IMO.

TornadoOfSouls
04-28-2012, 10:06 PM
Wait so Rose gos down and its an asterisk but Duncan gos down in 2000 and not a peep? Injuries are part of the game MR Historian wannabe

Not to mention, 2000 Duncan was a much better player than Rose as well.

SportsAndrew25
04-28-2012, 10:07 PM
Putting asterisks next to titles are just dumb. If you win, you win. It does not matter what the freaking circumstances are.

Testaverde16
04-28-2012, 10:31 PM
simmons is an idiot

Becks2307
04-28-2012, 10:39 PM
You guys are all ridiculous. Do you even know what he means by "asterisk title"
bet you didn't. It doesn't mean it wasn't a real title, it means as per his twitter:

Bill Simmons: PS- by "asterisk title" I mean we will remember those seasons not just by the champ but by something else. Forgot Oscar in 74, that's 1 more

Chronz
04-28-2012, 11:27 PM
You guys are all ridiculous. Do you even know what he means by "asterisk title"
bet you didn't. It doesn't mean it wasn't a real title, it means as per his twitter:

Bill Simmons: PS- by "asterisk title" I mean we will remember those seasons not just by the champ but by something else. Forgot Oscar in 74, that's 1 more

LOL that changes nothing, remember it by something else is meant to detract from the champs greatness. Apparently hes dumb enough to remember the loss of Rose but not the loss of Duncan. Every season should have an asterisk then

Sinestro
04-28-2012, 11:34 PM
Its just a big what if...I think the Bulls and Heat could have actually gone 6-7 games this year all being close... now it will be extremely difficult for that to happen

Afridi786
04-28-2012, 11:36 PM
I would think shortened seasons get an asterisk anyway.

llemon
04-28-2012, 11:58 PM
I know a lot of people like Bill Simmons, but he makes a lot more dumb points than smart ones IMO.

Simmons ain't a sportswriter, he's a humor columnist.

shizzle09
04-29-2012, 12:10 AM
lol :laugh:

wait happend in 06 again tho? my mind is slipping...

Dwyane wade dominated. Thats what. Let your foolish mind tell you otherwise.

shizzle09
04-29-2012, 12:12 AM
Bill Simmons ‏ @sportsguy33
Asterisk titles last 40 yrs: 2012 (Rose), 09 (KG), 06 (Refs), 05 (melee), 02 (refs), 99 (strike), 94 + 95 (MJ), 78 (Walton), 73 (Havlicek).

:eyebrow:

this is comedy. Yeah and asterisk next to the title because Rose got hurt. That was good. really good. Unfortunate and sad but by no means does that deserve an asterisk.

utl768
04-29-2012, 12:16 AM
simmons is a moron but he is from boston so what do you really expect

Kings Faithful
04-29-2012, 12:42 AM
02 refs? What the **** is he talking about? The Sixers vs Bucks?

If hes talking about the Lakers vs Kings series then someone show the man the footage of the ENTIRE series. It was a horribly officiated game both ways, just in different games. If I didnt know any better it looked like they were helping the Kings stay in the series.

The entire series was called bad for both teams, your correct. However it was consistently bad which evened it out. Game 6 was an atrocity against the Kings. Anyone who watches that game and denies that is fooling themselves. Either rigged or the worst officiated game ever. Stats say nothing about how that game went down.

Hangtime
04-29-2012, 03:00 PM
This is a joke right.

How about 1989? Lakers lose Magic and Scott.

How about 1991? Lakers lose Scott and Worthy?

Nobody ever makes excuses. There have been instances every single year where certain teams lost key players. Put an asterisk on every last one.

Hangtime
04-29-2012, 03:02 PM
The entire series was called bad for both teams, your correct. However it was consistently bad which evened it out. Game 6 was an atrocity against the Kings. Anyone who watches that game and denies that is fooling themselves. Either rigged or the worst officiated game ever. Stats say nothing about how that game went down.

I watched every game that series and don't remember any game being as notoriously bad as Game 6.

Greet
04-29-2012, 03:06 PM
Simmons ain't a sportswriter, he's a humor columnist.

That's just the way you read it. If you go into the article thinking that it's a joke, you read it as a joke. Bill Simmons is a borderline genius, you just don't read it the way it's meant to be read.


simmons is a moron but he is from boston so what do you really expect

lol'd. Bill Simmons is one of the best sports writers out there.

Hangtime
04-29-2012, 03:11 PM
If he views the 99 shortened season with an asterisk, then this one would have had one regardless of the lost of Rose anyways.

JordansBulls
04-29-2012, 03:14 PM
Bill Simmons ‏ @sportsguy33
Asterisk titles last 40 yrs: 2012 (Rose), 09 (KG), 06 (Refs), 05 (melee), 02 (refs), 99 (strike), 94 + 95 (MJ), 78 (Walton), 73 (Havlicek).

:eyebrow:

Wouldn't say all that. What hurts this year is the Chicago was the top seed and not only that but 2 of the top 5 players in the league arguably are out for the playoffs in Dwight and Rose and those were probably the best two teams in the east who could give Miami a go and possibly beat them in a series.

Greet
04-29-2012, 03:21 PM
Wouldn't say all that. What hurts this year is the Chicago was the top seed and not only that but 2 of the top 5 players in the league arguably are out for the playoffs in Dwight and Rose and those were probably the best two teams in the east who could give Miami a go and possibly beat them in a series.

I think calling Rose a top 5 player is a huge stretch at this point.

M.Bibby2.0
04-29-2012, 03:26 PM
02 refs? What the **** is he talking about? The Sixers vs Bucks?

If hes talking about the Lakers vs Kings series then someone show the man the footage of the ENTIRE series. It was a horribly officiated game both ways, just in different games. If I didnt know any better it looked like they were helping the Kings stay in the series.

Kobe elbowing Bibby in the face in the WCF was flagrant, if Artest did it he would be ejected and suspended, but since it's kobe it was clean.

Valkyrie
04-29-2012, 03:28 PM
Kobe elbowing Bibby in the face in the WCF was flagrant, if Artest did it he would be ejected and suspended, but since it's kobe it was clean.

Mike Bibby sucks.

rhino17
04-29-2012, 03:30 PM
I call bull **** on 94-95 (as well as the others but this one in particular)

1) If you put a * there, you have to put one every year Jordan didn't play, so that argument is absurd

2) Jordan did play in 95, the Bulls just didn't make the finals

3) Jordan had a losing record against ONE team, those Rockets. So if anyone was gonna beat MJ in the finals, it wouldda been them

M.Bibby2.0
04-29-2012, 03:44 PM
Mike Bibby sucks.

Troll. Shows how long you've been watching the game.

Valkyrie
04-29-2012, 03:47 PM
Troll. Shows how long you've been watching the game.

Ya man I just started wacthin 2day.


I'll never forgive Mike Bibby. Worst playoff PER in NBA playoff history 2010-2011.

flea
04-29-2012, 03:50 PM
I think calling Rose a top 5 player is a huge stretch at this point.

Yeah he's absolutely not a top 5 player.

M.Bibby2.0
04-29-2012, 03:53 PM
Ya man I just started wacthin 2day.


I'll never forgive Mike Bibby. Worst playoff PER in NBA playoff history 2010-2011.

^ Ya that's evident. He's a player at the end of his career and had been on the heat for a fraction of a season. Regardless he was a boss in his Kings days and was playing at his best in the WCF which is a part of the topic at hand troll, but thanks for you input and ignorance.

Greet
04-29-2012, 03:54 PM
Yeah he's absolutely not a top 5 player.

Agreed. I just wanted to make him feel good about himself.

Valkyrie
04-29-2012, 03:54 PM
^ Ya that's evident. He's a player at the end of his career and had been on the heat for a fraction of a season. Regardless he was a boss in his Kings days and was playing at his best in the WCF which is a part of the topic at hand troll, thanks for you input and ignorance.

Im not denying he wasn't good with the Kings, or even Atlanta. But didnt he lead the league in 3pt % last regular season? If he would have played better in the playoffs, maybe he would have a ring. Theres no way to justify how bad he was in the playoffs.

M.Bibby2.0
04-29-2012, 04:01 PM
Im not denying he wasn't good with the Kings, or even Atlanta. But didnt he lead the league in 3pt % last regular season? If he would have played better in the playoffs, maybe he would have a ring. Theres no way to justify how bad he was in the playoffs.

Who was talking about the heat or last years finals? I replied to someone talking about the officiating in 02 and what kobe got away with, and you decided to troll since my username indicates Bibby's one of my favorite players.

Valkyrie
04-29-2012, 04:05 PM
Who was talking about the heat or last years finals? I replied to someone talking about the officiating in 02 and what kobe got away with, and you decided to troll since my username indicates Bibby's one of my favorite players.

Freedom of speech brah

Becks2307
04-29-2012, 04:11 PM
Again as he said an asterisk for simmons doesn't mean the team is undeserving, it means that the playoffs will also be remembered for something else that year.

Fnom11
04-29-2012, 04:19 PM
I just like how this thread got posted after the Rose injury and not before it. Like now all of a sudden this season deserves an asterisk because Rose is now out.

JordansBulls
04-29-2012, 04:26 PM
This is a joke right.

How about 1989? Lakers lose Magic and Scott.

How about 1991? Lakers lose Scott and Worthy?

Nobody ever makes excuses. There have been instances every single year where certain teams lost key players. Put an asterisk on every last one.

1991 no way, the Lakers were down 2-1 already and down 15 at the half and then Worthy and Scott got injured, not to mention they didn't even have HCA in that series.

1989 same thing, Magic got injured in game 2 when the Lakers were already down 1-0

B'sCeltsPatsSox
04-29-2012, 04:39 PM
simmons is a moron but he is from boston so what do you really expect

Are you trying to say people from Boston are dumb? Boston is a much smarter place than Florida.

Hangtime
04-29-2012, 08:15 PM
1991 no way, the Lakers were down 2-1 already and down 15 at the half and then Worthy and Scott got injured, not to mention they didn't even have HCA in that series.

1989 same thing, Magic got injured in game 2 when the Lakers were already down 1-0

In 1989, that team swept their way all the way to the finals. Scott didn't even play. What does losing game 1 have to do with the possibility of a healthy Lakers team winning that series?

Losing key players, in this case Magic was their best player and MVP that season and he went down in a competitive game 2.

And don't tell me the loss of Worthy and Scott in 91 couldn't have helped the Lakers turn that series around. But it is what it is. The Bulls won and nobody deserve an asterisk.

dh144498
04-30-2012, 11:28 AM
lol :laugh:

wait happend in 06 again tho? my mind is slipping...

DWhistle was born

Sinestro
04-30-2012, 11:43 AM
IMO the only way I could see a championship having an asterik is if during the Finals the star player goes down with an injury they can't play through with a lead an example is like Dirk going down last year being up 3-2, Heat capitalize and win would be an * in my opinion I don't know if anything like that has happen

nate2usmc
04-30-2012, 11:50 AM
No title won deserves an * next to it.

ShockerArt
04-30-2012, 12:10 PM
I like Bill Simmons, but that tweet was extremely stupid

RaiderLakersA's
04-30-2012, 12:20 PM
No title year should ever get an asterisk.

Well, I take that back. The only way that a title should get an asterisk is if two teams are knotted up in the the series 3 games to 3, and in the 7th game both teams are tied after triple overtime at 186-186 with just 0:00:02 on the clock in Q4 when a massive plague sweeps through the entire arena killing everyone inside. The team that gets posthumously awarded THAT title should get an asterisk.

Cal827
04-30-2012, 12:30 PM
Some people you know are gonna say double * for the Heat if they win the title

* 50 Game Season
** for the best player on the best team getting hurt, bascially paving the way for their NBA finals appearance and letting them rest lol

torocan
04-30-2012, 12:39 PM
The ones that really deserve the * in my mind are the Kings 2002 run, and the 2007 Suns melee suspensions.

This season and '99 only because they were compressed seasons.

Compressed seasons are truly a different type of basketball than normal seasons. Just look at the current injury lists and tell me that that isn't true.

This season isn't about the best basketball. It's about who got lucky with the least injuries to critical players.

That it was Rose, Dwight, Shump, Horford, Ray Allen, Lin, etc is just as impactful on the standings and playoffs as if it had been Lebron or DWade to the Heat.

It's impossible to say what the standings and playoff match ups would have been had this been a normal season with normal rates of injury, but it certainly wouldn't be what we are looking at today.

RaiderLakersA's
04-30-2012, 12:44 PM
1991 no way, the Lakers were down 2-1 already and down 15 at the half and then Worthy and Scott got injured, not to mention they didn't even have HCA in that series.

1989 same thing, Magic got injured in game 2 when the Lakers were already down 1-0

Please tell me you're not trying to say that teams never come back from a 2-1 or 1-0 disadvantage. You're not saying that, are you???

RaiderLakersA's
04-30-2012, 12:46 PM
Some people you know are gonna say double * for the Heat if they win the title

* 50 Game Season
** for the best player on the best team getting hurt, bascially paving the way for their NBA finals appearance and letting them rest lol

Not I. If the Heat win it, they win it. Period, point blank.

I'm probably one of a small few who applaud the fact that the Heat have two of the top 3 players in the game today. The onus is on other teams to step up their game and beat them anyway. That's just how the world works. It was never meant to be fair.

Law25
04-30-2012, 12:56 PM
In 1989, that team swept their way all the way to the finals. Scott didn't even play. What does losing game 1 have to do with the possibility of a healthy Lakers team winning that series?

Losing key players, in this case Magic was their best player and MVP that season and he went down in a competitive game 2.

And don't tell me the loss of Worthy and Scott in 91 couldn't have helped the Lakers turn that series around. But it is what it is. The Bulls won and nobody deserve an asterisk.

This. I was so hurt those years :(

Law25
04-30-2012, 01:04 PM
DWhistle was born

15.9 or 16.1 FTA i believe :speechless: :facepalm:

ManRam
04-30-2012, 02:28 PM
None of those. Injuries happen...oh well. Asterisks for refereeing...nah. only if there ever is concrete proof of some conspiracy or game fixing

Simmons is just being a baby...

torocan
04-30-2012, 02:44 PM
None of those. Injuries happen...oh well. Asterisks for refereeing...nah. only if there ever is concrete proof of some conspiracy or game fixing

Simmons is just being a baby...

You mean like the allegations made like Tim Donaghy in THIS article?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401

"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be 'company men,' always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

"Tim explained the league officials would tell referees that they should withhold calling technical fouls on certain star players because doing so would hurt ticket sales and television ratings," the letter adds. "As an example, Tim explained how there were times when a referee supervisor would tell referees that NBA Executive X did not want them to call technical fouls on star players or remove them from the game. In January 2000, Referee D went against these instructions and elected a star player in the first quarter of the game. Referee D later was privately reprimanded by the league for that ejection."

Not really "concrete" proof, in that there's no recordings, and the NBA said the claims were inaccurate.

However, do you really think the NBA or officials would ever Admit to those sort of allegations? Especially since "honest" reffing would not only change the way the game is played, but potentially cost the league money?

Perhaps you'd prefer something with a bit more of a statistical basis. Like in the following link....

http://www.sportsbookgurus.com/sports/nba/referee-statistics.html

Folks talk about home vs. road bias. Here's just a few examples...

Eddie F. Rush

OVERALL STATS
GAMES: 41
HOME SU: 23-18
HOME ATS: 20-21
OU: 20-20-1
AVG HOME MARGIN: -0.3
HOME FOULS/GAME: 19.6
ROAD FOULS/GAME: 22.1
AVERAGE TOTAL: 191.4


Ed Malloy

OVERALL STATS
GAMES: 53
HOME SU: 36-17
HOME ATS: 29-22-2
OU: 28-24-1
AVG HOME MARGIN: 6.9
HOME FOULS/GAME: 18.8
ROAD FOULS/GAME: 19.8
AVERAGE TOTAL: 195.6


Eric Dalen

OVERALL STATS
GAMES: 51
HOME SU: 38-13
HOME ATS: 28-23
OU: 24-24-3
AVG HOME MARGIN: 5.7
HOME FOULS/GAME: 18.8
ROAD FOULS/GAME: 20.5
AVERAGE TOTAL: 192.5


Reffing is not even close to fair in the NBA. Never has been.

Superstar calls, homer refs, and company men. To think that doesn't impact the game and playoffs one way or another is just fooling yourself.

Chronz
05-01-2012, 01:36 PM
The ones that really deserve the * in my mind are the Kings 2002 run, and the 2007 Suns melee suspensions.
Why?

And what are those stats you posted?