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KnicksorBust
04-28-2012, 01:50 AM
Welcome to the 2012 NBA ReDraft voting process. The redraft is exactly how it sounds. The rosters of every NBA team are cleared and then drafted again from scratch. Posters from the site draft full rosters under a salary cap and then there is a voting process to make the playoffs. We are now in the playoffs and the head to head matchups have begun. Please remember to vote for the roster and write-up you believe would win a 7 game series and leave any of your personal preference for the real teams out of your decision. Thank you and enjoy the playoffs!

Celtics:
PG: Devin Harris | Steve Blake
SG: James Harden | John Salmons
SF: Metta World Peace | Michael Beasley
PF: Chris Bosh | Ed Davis | James Singleton
C: JaVale McGee | Kevin Seraphin | Greg Oden

Knicks:
PG - Mario Chalmers (32)/Delonte West(16)
SG - Courtney Lee(32)/Delonte West(16)/Xavier Henry /Kelenna Azubuike
SF - Paul Pierce(38)/James Johnson(10)
PF - Dirk Nowitzki(38)/Josh McRoberts(10)
C - Brendan Haywood(26)/Kosta Koufos(18)/Jeremy Tyler(4)


Cliffs: If we (The Celtics) can contain one of Dirk or Pierce, they have no one else to turn to. The Celtics are a more complete team, with a more balanced scoring attack, and a better bench. If Dirk picks up fast fouls while guarding Bosh, or Artest can contain Pierce (Like he has MANY times in the past), the Knicks will be done for. They have two players and not much else.

Point guard: Devin Harris v Mario Chalmers.
They matched up once this season, and Harris got the better of Chalmers. He held Mario to 1-6 from the field with 4 turnovers and 2 assists. He completely took him out of the game, and Utah got the win in the process.

Devin Harris got to the line 7 times while covered by Chalmers, and finished with 13 points, 5 assists and only 1 turnover in the matchup.

This year, Harris is shooting 45% from the field, 36% from 3, and he's chipping in 12 points 5 assists. If their matchup this year was any indication, it's going to be a long series for Chalmers.

Shooting Guard: James Harden v Courtney Lee

James Harden is a much better player than Courtney Lee. They matched up twice this season. Harden averaged 16.5 points, 5.5 assists, and 4 rebounds against Lee.

Lee, on the other hand, averaged 11.5 points, 2 assists and 2 rebounds against Harden.

On the season, Harden is averaging 17 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds in just 31 minutes per game. He's shooting 49% from the field and 39% from 3, and he is one of the league's most efficient scorers.

SF: Metta World Peace v Paul Pierce

Throughout his career, Pierce has had trouble when guarded by one player: Metta World Peace.

In two match ups this season, Pierce was held to an average of 16 points per game while only shooting 42% from the field.

Pierce has only exceeded 20 points ONCE in their previous 6 match ups. Is Pierce the superior player? Sure…But Metta World Peace plays him better than anyone else in the NBA right now, and his points won't come easy. The Knicks are going to have to lean hard on Dirk, which may be an issue due to the fact that he has to cover Bosh on the opposite end of the floor.

PF: Chris Bosh v. Dirk Nowitzki.
Since Bosh has been in Miami, it's no secret that he's playing third fiddle to Lebron and Wade, but that doesn't make him any less of a player. In the finals last year, Bosh matched Dirk in efficiency. Dirk shot .416 from the field…Bosh shot .413. Dirk scored more, but he was also taking far more shots.

It is our belief that Bosh can come close to matching Dirk's productivity over the course of a series. He shoots similar percentages in the playoffs, and on my team Bosh will be a 1/2 option on the offensive end, so he will get more touches.

This season, Bosh has been more than adequate defensively. In their only regular season matchup, he was 8-17 from the field while guarded by Dirk, and dropped 19 points. We believe that Dirk wouldn't be able to stick with Bosh over the course of the series, and his offense would suffer greatly because of the tough matchup. Bosh is much more athletic, younger, and coming off a very productive season. His offense will only improve if he is given a bigger role on offense.
Center: JaVale McGee v Brandon Haywood
McGee posts almost identical defensive metrics as Haywood with much better offensive metrics and upside. He's younger, more athletic, and quite frankly just better.

McGee has a better points per possession, and has shot 60% (SIXTY) since he was traded to Denver. Haywood on the flip side, is shooting 50% and accounts for .87 PPP. Much worse.

You can say all you want about McGee's miscues over the years, but there's no denying his productivity since he's gone to Denver.

Benches:

The Celtics have a better bench than the Knicks. It's not debatable. Our top bench player is Beasley, who is a proven scorer averaging 42% from 3pt range this year.

Blake is a sure-handed proven veteran backup guard. He didn't succeed as a starter this year, but he has been MUCH more productive in a reserve role for the Lakers, which is the role he would be in for Boston in this series.

Post all-star break, Kevin Seraphin is averaging 27 minutes, 12 points, 6 rebounds. Stud muffin, and excellent bench player. He can score, defend and rebound very well, and we feel like he can be a difference maker in a reserve roll

Additionally, Boston has John Salmons and Ed Davis. Two players stuck on TERRIBLE teams this season. Salmons is a proven veteran that can play either swing position and score in a variety of ways. You look at his stats, and they're unimpressive, but since the All-Star break, he's averaged 50% from the field, while chipping in 8 points, 3 rebounds and 3 assists in just 25 minutes per game.

Ed Davis is a walking double double if he's given enough minutes. Post all-star break, he's averaging 7/7 for the Raptors in limited minutes. The Celtics also have Greg Oden, who if healthy is a major asset. This game is supposed to assume good health and all players are in perfect condition…So given that stipulation, we have one of the better centers in the league coming off our bench.

On the flip side, the Knicks bench consists of Delonte West (Inconsistent, oft-injured), James Johnson, Xavier Henry, Josh McRoberts, and Kosta Koufos…None of them are going to match the production of Beasley, Salmons, Seraphin, Davis and Blake. They have no go-to scorer off the bench, and their bench defense is nothing spectacular.

CELTICS IN 7, 1-8 UPSET. Corey/Green_Monster '12.
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First and foremost, congratulations to Corey and Green_Monster for building a good team that was voted into the NBA Re-Draft Playoffs.

Unfortunately though, this is where your playoff run ends. The New York Knicks have been built around the dynamic duo of Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki. With these two superstar players, we have two former NBA Finals MVP, two legitimate #1 options, two unselfish players, and two players who know how and what exactly needs to be done in crunch time to bring this team to victory. To complement this duo, we built a team that would bring out the strengths of each individual part, but also with the mind to make any five-player unit on the floor be an effective unit, to possess great CHEMISTRY, and a combination of both young and veteran talent that is capable of leading us back to the promised land. With an absolute ideal supporting cast around our two superstars, these will be the keys in us advancing to the next round of the post-season:
Point Guard:
The point guard matchup consists of Mario Chalmers and Delonte West versus Devin Harris and Steve Blake. On this team, Mario Chalmers will mostly be asked to distribute the ball and hit spot-up shots while Paul Pierce and Dirk draw attention. Luckily, Chalmers is a fantastic spot up shooter, ranking 16th in the league overall at spot-up shooting. He is also putting up a fantastic 40% 3p% and a 58% TS%. Now you may think that Harris will be fine with guarding Chalmers on the outside because Chalmers isn’t a volume scorer, but Harris is an atrocious defender, ranking 395th in overall defense, and 257th in the league defending spot up shooters. Chalmers is also a fantastic defender, allowing just .95 Points per possession, .71 PPP off the pick and roll (57th in the league overall) and .73 PPP against the iso. This will be a tough matchup for Devin Harris. In addition, the Knicks have Delonte West to bring off the bench, who is a top 25 player in the league at guarding the pick and roll, and is also playing great basketball for the Mavericks at the moment. He is averaging 9.6 PPG with a 54 TS% as well as 3 assists and two steals. He is a perfect spell for Chalmers, while Steve Blake has been disappointing for the Lakers, shooting at a very inefficient clip.

SG:
The SG matchup between Courtney Lee and James Harden will be closer than you think. Lee has fared well against Harden in previous matchups, holding Harden to 14 PPG on 39% shooting while forcing Harden to commit almost 4 TO’s per game in their last three meetings. Lee has also played well on offense, averaging 14 PPG on 57% shooting 54% from 3. Lee has developed as a defender and he is also having a great year shooting the ball and as a starter has been putting up 15 PPG on 44% shooting (40% from 3). Harden does have an advantage this matchup, but Lee has played well against him in the past. West will also be coming in to play some 2 guard and like we mentioned, he brings very tough defense and good shooting off the bench. Meanwhile, John Salmons has had a terrible year, shooting at a very inefficient clip. In fact, the Kings are much better with him off the court than on the court, which speaks volumes to his negative effect on the team.

SF:
At SF is the biggest mismatch in the series. Pierce goes against Metta World Peace. Pierce is considerably better than Metta, who has had a down year for the Lakers. MWP is averaging 7.7 points on an atrocious 48% TS%. His defense is also not as elite as it has been in years past. Pierce, meanwhile, has not missed a beat. He has been playing lights out, leading the team averaging 19.4 PPG on 58% TS%. He is also ranked as one of the top defenders in the league, allowing opposing players only .8 points per possession. He has the experience and has fared well versus MWP in the past, averaging 20 PPG on efficient shooting in their last 4 matchups. He also notoriously played well against MWP in the finals against the Lakers in 2010. Pierce will have his way in this series and not have to put in a great deal of effort on defense as MWP has been terrible on offense this year. Off the bench, the Knicks can plug in James Johnson to play at SF for about ten minutes. Johnson has played well this year on both ends and would be a good energizer for this club. Beasley, while being a good volume scorer, isn’t efficient whatsoever, so Pierce and Johnson will have no problem limiting his scoring.
PF:

At PF, we have a rematch of Bosh vs. Dirk. Dirk won finals MVP versus the same Chris Bosh and had a great finals series versus the HEAT. Though Dirk started off this year slowly, he is re-gaining shape and has returned to prime Dirk form. He is one of the most unguardable, if not the most unguardable players in the league and Chris Bosh is going to have an extremely tough time with him. Dirk is still ranked as one of the best offensive players in the game according to synergy and has had an efficient year. Bosh has also played well this year but Bosh was defended well by Dirk last year in the Finals. He was also out-rebounded by Dirk. This calls for another advantage for the Knicks. Also, McRoberts can come in and spell Dirk for about 10 minutes per game. He adds some defense, hustle and rebounding to the squad.

C:

At center, we have two mediocre starters going against each other. Javale McGee is notoriously a player with very low BB IQ and whether he can be a starting caliber center on a good team is yet to be seen, seeing as the Nuggets have benched him since getting him via trade. McGee, though a good shotblocker, is an atrocious defender and will not be stopping anybody from driving to the paint in this series. He is ranked an atrocious 445th in the league in overall defense, and the team allows more points when he’s on the floor than off the floor. He’s extremely raw and makes tons of boneheaded mistakes. Haywood is a veteran who plays good man to man defense, is a solid help defender, and a solid rebounder. We also have Koufos off the bench who’s had a fantastic year, averaging 6 points and 6 boards off the bench for the Nuggets. He can provide some good defense, rebounding and inside scoring off the bench in case Haywood gets into foul trouble.

Conclusion:

Overall, the Knicks are the better team. They have two stars who have won Finals MVP’s before, and very good role players at PG, SG and C. This series will be controlled by Pierce and Dirk, and should be over quickly. Knicks take it and advance to the second round!

Raps18-19 Champ
04-28-2012, 01:52 AM
So how do Harden and MWP work on the same team?

Corey
04-28-2012, 01:55 AM
In for the first 1-8 upset.

PS, whoever wrote the Knicks writeup needs grammar check.

The_Jamal
04-28-2012, 01:56 AM
Jesus, Im going to wait on this one as well. Boston has two very, very strong defenders on Pierce and Dirk, which will impact the Knicks O greatly. I trust the Celtics supporting cast around Harden-Bosh FAR more than I do the one around Dirk-Pierce. Granted, Dirk and Pierce are the far superior players, but they aren't the same guys as they were in their prime who could outplay anyone and any defender in the league.

The_Jamal
04-28-2012, 01:57 AM
In for the first 1-8 upset.

PS, whoever wrote the Knicks writeup needs grammar check.

*2nd 1-8 upset

Corey
04-28-2012, 02:03 AM
So how do Harden and MWP work on the same team?

How do Pierce and Dirk work together? Two high usg players with very similar skillsets at this point in their respective careers.

How do Pierce, Dirk, and Haywood keep up in transition with my athletic, young lineup?

What happens if MWP contains Pierce like he has so many times in the past? What happens if Dirk gets into foul trouble?

The Knicks have two players to carry their offensive load, and both players play the same exact style. If one player has an off game, or gets into foul trouble, they have no one else to turn to.

SugeKnight
04-28-2012, 02:08 AM
Dirk and Pierce are winners, Bosh and Harden have done very little in the playoffs. I'll go with the Knicks

Corey
04-28-2012, 02:09 AM
Dirk and Pierce are winners, Bosh and Harden have done very little in the playoffs. I'll go with the Knicks

Both of those players weren't winners until they had stellar supporting casts, which this team doesn't have. They have two players and not much else.

PocketKings
04-28-2012, 02:16 AM
To say we have two players and not much else is laughable. If that's the case the Celtics have two players and nothing else.

The fact is our supporting cast our Pierce and Dirk are almost a perfect fit around them.

Courtney Lee is an ideal SG to put next to those two with his ability to spot-up and slash to the basket.

Both those players know what it takes to be #1 on a winning team. Yes they are high USG players but they are also unselfish and willing passers.

It is absurd to even think about placing a "selfish" type title on either of these players.

Pierce and Dirk are winners and both can handle a large bulk of the offense, while the Celtics are depending on Bosh and Harden who are 3rd option like players on their respective real life teams.

Corey
04-28-2012, 02:27 AM
To say we have two players and not much else is laughable. If that's the case the Celtics have two players and nothing else.
It's 'laugable' because it's YOUR team, right?

The fact is our supporting cast our Pierce and Dirk are almost a perfect fit around them.
Perfect is a terribly large overstatement.

A starting point guard that has done nothing in the NBA. Check.

A shooting guard with mediocre offensive upside whom happens to be a terribly overrated defender? Check.

A center with no offensive upside, whom has the same defensive measurable as my starting center? Check.


Both those players know what it takes to be #1 on a winning team. Yes they are high USG players but they are also unselfish and willing passers.That doesn't change the fact that if one of them has an off game, your team has no one to turn to.


It is absurd to even think about placing a "selfish" type title on either of these players.
You're putting words in my mouth -- Let's not do that in the future.

Go back and re-read my post and tell me where I used the word selfish.

...Keep looking, because I never did.


Pierce and Dirk are winners and both can handle a large bulk of the offense, while the Celtics are depending on Bosh and Harden who are 3rd option like players on their respective real life teams.
Pierce as a number 1 option won nothing. He didn't become successful until he was put with Garnett and Allen.

My team isn't 'depending' on any two players. We have a balanced attack with four legitimate scoring options in the starting lineup as well as a strong bench.

You have two consistent offensive players, and if one of them gets shut down you have no one else to pick up the slack.

PocketKings
04-28-2012, 02:37 AM
it's 'laugable' because it's your team, right?

Perfect is a terribly large overstatement.

A starting point guard that has done nothing in the nba. Check.

A shooting guard with mediocre offensive upside whom happens to be a terribly overrated defender? Check.

A center with no offensive upside, whom has the same defensive measurable as my starting center? Check.

courtney lee over-rated? Really? You must be kidding? The guy is a legitimate "glue" guy that almost any team without a star sg would love to complement their stars. Which we have and love the fact that he's a career 38.6% 3 point shooter and one of the more effective slashers from the sg position. Not to mention a very solid-good defender.

Our starting pg who is another pretty damn good 3 point shooter out there to space the floor to allow dirk/pp to work and operate the offense through them.

Haywood doesn't have to be an offensive force at all. The fact is this, our team defense is pretty solid. It isn't elite by any means but it isn't a weakness of our team. From 1 through 5 we all have average - above average - good defenders.

that doesn't change the fact that if one of them has an off game, your team has no one to turn to.
in the event one of them do have an off game, what about your team? You have technically 2 3rd options with no real 3rd option either. Who's your 3rd option to your 2 3rd options? Javale mcgee? Michael beasley? Yeah... Like anyone is going to take that seriously.

you're putting words in my mouth -- let's not do that in the future.

Go back and re-read my post and tell me where i used the word selfish.

...keep looking, because i never did.

Pierce as a number 1 option won nothing. He didn't become successful until he was put with garnett and allen.
and we've given him a pretty damn supporting cast here where some nights he can be the #2 and other nights he can take over as the #1 along with a pretty strong defensive supporting cast filled with floor spacers, slashers, and role players who know how to play their role effectively.

my team isn't 'depending' on any two players. We have a balanced attack with four legitimate scoring options in the starting lineup as well as a strong bench.
four legitimate scoring options? I could 2. Harden and bosh. Harris has been absolutely erratic this year and mwp is the exact definition of inconsistent. That's probably why both players were brought up frequently at the trade deadline right? If you're talking about javale mcgee as a consistent option that's a joke. For every singular sound basketball decision this guy makes he makes about 10-12 bonehead decisions.

you have two consistent offensive players, and if one of them gets shut down you have no one else to pick up the slack.
once again, my two players pp + dirk > harden + bosh, and if you think your supporting cast is actually better that is where your faulty logic starts.

boom!

PocketKings
04-28-2012, 02:42 AM
If MWP/Harris/Beasley are being considered as legitimate scoring options, Courtney Lee, Delonte West, and James Johnson should all be considered legitimate scoring options.

Beasley is one of the most inefficient scorers in the league. Not to mention if he's substituting Beasley into the game for offense, that spells bigger trouble for the Celtics because PP will absolutely abuse Beasley.

Baller1
04-28-2012, 02:51 AM
My god, how did the seeding get so messed up this time. I'm taking the underdogs again... The Knicks team is nothing special at all.

Sadds The Gr8
04-28-2012, 03:05 AM
neither team has a great cast, but NYK has a much more proven and better 1-2 punch. I think that's the difference.

Chacarron
04-28-2012, 03:29 AM
My god, how did the seeding get so messed up this time. I'm taking the underdogs again... The Knicks team is nothing special at all.

James Harden is a nice player, isn't he? :)

roshan3ai
04-28-2012, 03:37 AM
Lol I'm gonna respond when I get home. But arguing that chalmers and lee and Haywood aren't very good when your starting an atrocious offensive
Player and an atrocious defensive center it makes little sense.

roshan3ai
04-28-2012, 03:43 AM
Lol javale McGee. The same scrub that can't start on the nuggets who have mozgov and koufos. Yeah. He's real solid. Then you have mwp with his 48 ts% and 29% 3p%. Beasley and his 51 ts%. So many great scoring options to choose from.

Ebbs
04-28-2012, 04:53 AM
How do Pierce and Dirk work together? Two high usg players with very similar skillsets at this point in their respective careers.

How do Pierce, Dirk, and Haywood keep up in transition with my athletic, young lineup?

What happens if MWP contains Pierce like he has so many times in the past? What happens if Dirk gets into foul trouble?

The Knicks have two players to carry their offensive load, and both players play the same exact style. If one player has an off game, or gets into foul trouble, they have no one else to turn to.

How are Pierce and or Dirk the exact same style of player?


Both of those players weren't winners until they had stellar supporting casts, which this team doesn't have. They have two players and not much else.

Stellar is probably an overstatement on Dirks cast last year.... Dirk carried us.


My god, how did the seeding get so messed up this time. I'm taking the underdogs again... The Knicks team is nothing special at all.


Easy there, Celtics made some good points but you can't just ignore that the Knicks have the series 2 best players

Sadds The Gr8
04-28-2012, 09:54 AM
My god, how did the seeding get so messed up this time. I'm taking the underdogs again... The Knicks team is nothing special at all.
it's a re-draft so the teams are very balanced...you aren't gonna see any stacked Miami Heat teams or anything...those typically happen in the mock.

Green_Monster
04-28-2012, 10:22 AM
Lol I'm gonna respond when I get home. But arguing that chalmers and lee and Haywood aren't very good when your starting an atrocious offensive
Player and an atrocious defensive center it makes little sense.

:laugh2:

McGee, Harris and Beasley ARE better scorers then Chalmers, Lee, and Haywood.

PPG-

McGee (10.3) > Haywood (5.2)

Beasley (11.5) > Lee (11.4)

Harris (11.3) > Chalmers (9.8)

Green_Monster
04-28-2012, 10:26 AM
Stellar is probably an overstatement on Dirks cast last year.... Dirk carried us.

Kidd, Terry, Marion, Barea, Chandler, Stevenson, Haywood?

PocketKings
04-28-2012, 10:45 AM
:laugh2:

McGee, Harris and Beasley ARE better scorers then Chalmers, Lee, and Haywood.

PPG-

McGee (10.3) > Haywood (5.2)

Beasley (11.5) > Lee (11.4)

Harris (11.3) > Chalmers (9.8)

Beasley's offense is the farthest thing from efficient.
McGee is as dependable as a soggy sandwich trying to be a door stop.

Harris has been extremely erratic.

Haywood doesn't need to score to win.

Considering that, Lee and Chalmers are going to get some great opportunities with you having to focus so much on TRYING, yet failing, to stop PP and Dirk.,

PP and Dirk work so wonderfully together due to heir ability to get to the right spots on the floor, can space it, play both the Hi/Low post games and more. The offensive potency of the two with the floor spacers and slasgers we have will make our offense a smooth running, EFFICIENT, and effective unit that will be incredibly difficult to stop.

Green_Monster
04-28-2012, 10:46 AM
My god, how did the seeding get so messed up this time. I'm taking the underdogs again... The Knicks team is nothing special at all.

The voters.

Green_Monster
04-28-2012, 10:48 AM
Beasley's offense is the farthest thing from efficient.
McGee is as dependable as a soggy sandwich trying to be a door stop.

Harris has been extremely erratic.

Haywood doesn't need to score to win.

Considering that, Lee and Chalmers are going to get some great opportunities with you having to focus so much on TRYING, yet failing, to stop PP and Dirk.,

PP and Dirk work so wonderfully together due to heir ability to get to the right spots on the floor, can space it, play both the Hi/Low post games and more. The offensive potency of the two with the floor spacers and slasgers we have will make our offense a smooth running, EFFICIENT, and effective unit that will be incredibly difficult to stop.

You can say all of that PK, but the numbers prove you otherwise.

PocketKings
04-28-2012, 10:51 AM
You can say all of that PK, but the numbers prove you otherwise.

Are you kidding me?! You are telling me that Beasley is efficient and that Javale isn't one of the biggest and most selfish boneheads in the entire NBA?

:laugh:

You should recheck the #s.

mightybosstone
04-28-2012, 10:57 AM
A starting point guard that has done nothing in the NBA. Check.
This is a bad argument, dude. Aside from MWP, who has a ring in your starting five? What exactly has your roster "accomplished" in the NBA?


A shooting guard with mediocre offensive upside whom happens to be a terribly overrated defender? Check.
As somebody who watches a ton of Rockets games, this is not only wrong, but genuinely pisses me off. Nobody who watches Courtney Lee would call him a "terribly overrated defender" and I don't care what the numbers say, he's the Rockets go-to lockdown defender of elite PGs and SGs. (Parsons sometimes takes SGs, but normally plays opposing 3s)


Pierce as a number 1 option won nothing. He didn't become successful until he was put with Garnett and Allen.
See, I don't see what your point is here, because Bosh did the exact same thing (and was a lesser No. 1 than Pierce was), but has yet to win anything. And Harden is still a No. 3 in OKC.


My team isn't 'depending' on any two players. We have a balanced attack with four legitimate scoring options in the starting lineup as well as a strong bench.
Yeah.... I'm not buying this either. Since when is McGee a "legitimate scoring option?" He's a No. 4 at best and 70% of his baskets come from inside on dunks and easy baskets. He can make a short range jumper, but ask him to take anything outside of 10 feet and he's useless.

Harris is an okay No. 4 at best, but I think your team lacks a true No. 3. I also don't buy that your bench is that strong. Yeah, you'll get some points out of Beasley and Salmons, but they're two of the most inefficient scorers in the NBA.


You have two consistent offensive players, and if one of them gets shut down you have no one else to pick up the slack.
Chalmers and Lee are no less useful offensively than Haris or McGee, IMO. I've seen Lee take over a number of games in Houston this season as a starter, and he's capable of putting up 15-20 a night on you if you're not careful. He's a deadly 3-point shooter and he knows how to get to the rim.

mightybosstone
04-28-2012, 11:07 AM
You can say all of that PK, but the numbers prove you otherwise.

What? I just saw the four quotes you bolded and did you even look at the numbers before you posted this statement?

1. Beasley's inefficiency... Career numbers: .512 TS%, .476 eFG%
2. McGee's defense... Opposing centers average a 21.3 PER against him
3. Harris's consistency... Aside from average 16.5 ppg the last month, he's averaged 9-11 ppg every month this season, including a January (9.1) in which he put up fewer than 10 points 9/15 games
4. Haywood's winning without scoring.... Haywood has played in 49 career playoff games, posted a career 16.0 PER and .158 WS/48 while averaging only 6.7 ppg

VCaintdead17
04-28-2012, 12:53 PM
Knicks in a sweep. I really don't even see how the Celtics made the playoffs. Possibly the most inefficient team in the redraft. Their bench is atrocious, and their starting line up, outside of two players, is filled with players who are either having a bad year or are just bad in general. Although I like Harris, and even think he's a good fit next to Harden, he can't realistically be a third option off of his numbers this year. McGee doesn't provide anything besides a few blocks and dunks. He's actually one of the worst defensive big men in the league, and I hope to god the Celtics aren't planning on using MWP as anything more than a fifth option.

roshan3ai
04-28-2012, 01:09 PM
Courtney Lee's stats as a starter:

14.0 PPG | 3.3 RPG | 43% FG% | 40% 3P% | 1.7 APG

He's a good third option and has proven he can be productive given big minutes.

Eagles4Lyfe
04-28-2012, 05:33 PM
Pretty straight forward vote here no brainer

Reyes6
04-28-2012, 06:15 PM
Knicks are too strong in this match-up and Courtney Lee is a great defender, as one of the 3 Rockets fans on this site, I have seen him stop/slow down Chris Paul.

DR_1
04-28-2012, 07:45 PM
Knicks, just cause of Dirk and Pierce.

PatsSoxKnicks
04-29-2012, 01:52 AM
I like the way the Knicks matchup against the Celts and honestly, McGee has been a flat out awful defender this year (atrocious synergy #'s, vomit inducing on/off court #'s, hideous looking counterpart PER). And Bosh isn't a good enough defender to make up for McGee's hideous defense. Lee is a good defender at the 2 and can at least slow down Harden a bit, while Dirk has an advantage on Bosh. And because of the atrocities that McGee commits on defense, it almost wants to make you say Haywood is the better player. I mean McGee's adjusted +/- numbers are almost at replacement level. Ouch. The guy is just not at all a winning basketball player.

Artest could slow down Pierce certainly but I think the Dirk-Bosh matchup makes the biggest difference. Harris-Chalmers both do their parts well for each team but neither will have the impact of the stars or McGee's atrocious defense.

Green_Monster
04-29-2012, 10:23 AM
What? I just saw the four quotes you bolded and did you even look at the numbers before you posted this statement?

1. Beasley's inefficiency... Career numbers: .512 TS%, .476 eFG%
2. McGee's defense... Opposing centers average a 21.3 PER against him
3. Harris's consistency... Aside from average 16.5 ppg the last month, he's averaged 9-11 ppg every month this season, including a January (9.1) in which he put up fewer than 10 points 9/15 games
4. Haywood's winning without scoring.... Haywood has played in 49 career playoff games, posted a career 16.0 PER and .158 WS/48 while averaging only 6.7 ppg

I never said McGee's defense wasn't bad. What's wrong with Harris's scoring? 6.7 ppg? Oh...


Knicks in a sweep. I really don't even see how the Celtics made the playoffs. Possibly the most inefficient team in the redraft. Their bench is atrocious, and their starting line up, outside of two players, is filled with players who are either having a bad year or are just bad in general. Although I like Harris, and even think he's a good fit next to Harden, he can't realistically be a third option off of his numbers this year. McGee doesn't provide anything besides a few blocks and dunks. He's actually one of the worst defensive big men in the league, and I hope to god the Celtics aren't planning on using MWP as anything more than a fifth option.

Why, because you didn't make the playoffs? :laugh:

Eagles4Lyfe
04-29-2012, 11:24 AM
Knicks in a sweep. I really don't even see how the Celtics made the playoffs. Possibly the most inefficient team in the redraft. Their bench is atrocious, and their starting line up, outside of two players, is filled with players who are either having a bad year or are just bad in general. Although I like Harris, and even think he's a good fit next to Harden, he can't realistically be a third option off of his numbers this year. McGee doesn't provide anything besides a few blocks and dunks. He's actually one of the worst defensive big men in the league, and I hope to god the Celtics aren't planning on using MWP as anything more than a fifth option.

Their team is still better than yours, who else would've made the playoffs over them??
Harden and Bosh is a nice duo whether people believe it or not. They sure as hell deserved to make playoffs.

PatsSoxKnicks
04-29-2012, 12:41 PM
I never said McGee's defense wasn't bad. What's wrong with Harris's scoring? 6.7 ppg? Oh...


That's being generous. And basically McGee's awful defense is not able to make up for his offense, hence he's got one of the worst adjusted +/-'s in the league.

KnicksorBust
04-29-2012, 06:00 PM
I actually would love to see how Harden would do on this team. Everyone pumps him up but now where's the support? Dirk's edge on Bosh is swinging this series.

I voted Knicks but I don't think it's as much a landslide as people say.

PocketKings
04-29-2012, 10:06 PM
Just wanted to congratulate Corey and GM for getting this far. You two did a helluva job.

Rosh & I are excited to move onto the second round!

Mile High Champ
04-29-2012, 10:10 PM
Went Knicks. As many have said already. Bosh on Dirk is something I have seen all too much before. Always ends bad for the Rupaul go big men.

Eagles4Lyfe
04-29-2012, 10:23 PM
bump lets get more votes in here