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GNick
04-25-2012, 06:04 AM
What would our payroll and record be with Fielder and Darvish?

Nels@Ryerson
04-25-2012, 06:52 AM
What would our payroll and record be with Fielder and Darvish?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/salaries/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays

dunno if that is accurate but it states that toronto has a $75,000,000 Payroll

Yu - 5,500,000

Prince - 23,000,000

Honestly... i believe AA didnt go after Prince because Jays didnt get Yu... with all the additions they made to the bullpen a line up with both of them would be monstrous.

AA would have definitely had to make some trades... but that wouldnt have been a problem.

ILDD
04-25-2012, 09:48 AM
Looking at Cots, Toronto had an opening day payroll of $83.75M. Add in Yu and Prince then take off a couple of other players gives a payroll in the region of $110M.

Record would be broadly the same, I guess an extra win in the first series against Baltimore giving an overall record of 11-6

Canadian hemi
04-25-2012, 10:09 AM
To Much!

koreancabbage
04-25-2012, 10:20 AM
Looking at Cots, Toronto had an opening day payroll of $83.75M. Add in Yu and Prince then take off a couple of other players gives a payroll in the region of $110M.

Record would be broadly the same, I guess an extra win in the first series against Baltimore giving an overall record of 11-6

i wouldn't think so, I think we needed offense and Fielder would have brought that. I think Bautista wouldn't have to bear all the burden of the offense in his mind cuz he's swinging for the fences everytime.

I say we would sweep Cleveland, sweep the RedSox, win more against Bal, and maybe win yesterday. 14-3?

Krylian
04-25-2012, 10:38 AM
They'd be 18-0. MLB would've just handed the Jays an extra win.

bartron_44
04-25-2012, 01:25 PM
Lind is 12 for 57 with 1 HR and 5 doubles...He has 6 RBI's and an OPS of .637 (15 games)
Fielder is 21 for 64 with 2 HR's and 2 dubs..he has 8 RBI's and an OPS of .842(17 games)

I don't know if he would have gotten us any extra wins so far..maybe 1.


Yu Darvish is 3-0 over his first 4 starts with an ERA of 2.42. He has 15 BB's and 2 HBP's in 26 IP and a WHIP of 1.577 , so he has been flirting with disaster so far...but he is coming off back to back solid starts against two of the best lineups in baseball.

Considering we won the game started by hutch..he wouldn't have helped us any more that night....but we did lose the game Carreno started in Cleveland. Darvish wasn't eh best in his first start against Seattle that week, so who knows if he would have pitched any better that day.....but maybe. I would say maybe 1 extra win.

So the addition of them both may have gotten us 2 more wins so far over the first month of the season......and Prince isn't even heating up yet...2 more wins a month though is the difference between 85 and 97 wins...so I think they would have been worth every stinking red penny...

ah nuts
04-25-2012, 01:54 PM
the better question would be, what would our payroll project in 4 years? once the jays young studs look for the money they deserve.

bartron_44
04-25-2012, 03:20 PM
the better question would be, what would our payroll project in 4 years? once the jays young studs look for the money they deserve.

We will most likely shed a lot of salary by then..look at the following contracts that AA can let walk as FA's over the next few years:


After 2012 (assuming we don't pick up any of the options):

KJ- 6.37M
EE-3.5M
Davis-2.75M
Oliver-4M
Cordero-4.5M
Frasor-3.75M
CV-2.28M

Total=27.15M


After 2013 (assuming options are not picked up)

Escobar- 5M
Lind- 5M
Janssen- 3.9M

Total=13.9M

After 2014 (assuming option is not picked up):

Morrow- 8M


After 2015 (assuming options are not picked up):

Romero- 7.5M
Bautista- 14M

Total=21.5M



With all the talented youth coming through the system over the next few years to replace a lot of these contracts, AA should be able to give the young guys money, and not have the payroll get out of control. for every option we pick up, we will probably have a young guy replace a veteran to help make up the difference in salary.

The money was just too ridiculous for AA to go after Fielder this off season (and I don't blame him), and it is hard to shell out 100M for a pitcher who has never pitched in the big leagues... Especially when you have the minor league system we have to draw on and make trades.

nirvana235
04-25-2012, 05:25 PM
What would our payroll and record be with Fielder and Darvish?

Hard to say what their record would be after just 17 games. But lets assume Fielder and Darvish put up a total of 10 WAR this year, the Jays might be 5-6 games better at the end of the season.

Nick O
04-25-2012, 05:28 PM
hmmm i don't KNW

Abdul Mutalib
04-25-2012, 06:51 PM
from almost 20 games in, its such a small sample size to interpret any impact they would have to this pt. i'd say we mighta won 1 or 2 more games mayb

Twitchy
04-25-2012, 09:08 PM
Fielder would have been a huge upgrade over Lind. Let's not forget Detroit is a tough place to hit in.

And he wouldn't have cost $23M. Nobody's offer was even close to that until the Tigers got desperate after the V-Mart injury.

nirvana235
04-25-2012, 10:10 PM
Fielder would have been a huge upgrade over Lind. Let's not forget Detroit is a tough place to hit in.

And he wouldn't have cost $23M. Nobody's offer was even close to that until the Tigers got desperate after the V-Mart injury.

Hmm... source? Bottom line is Fielder was going to get a 8+ year deal/200mil from somebody which is ridiculous.

Twitchy
04-25-2012, 10:25 PM
Hmm... source? Bottom line is Fielder was going to get a 8+ year deal/200mil from somebody which is ridiculous.

No, he wasn't.

Think about it. Fielder didn't sign until it was nearly February. If there had been a 200M dollar offer, he would have taken it back in December. There wasn't an offer remotely close to what Detroit gave him, or he would have signed with another team a month or two before hand. If there was a 200/8 offer on the table, why did he wait until the last week in January to sign a 214/9 deal?

He wasn't going to get anything close to an 8 year/200M deal if it hadn't been for Detroit overreacting to losing V-Mart. Fielder should have been signed a week or so after Pujols did, as he was the best remaining hitter on the market. Yet Pujols signs his 240M deal in the beginning of December while Fielder signs the last week in January. That suggests that there wasn't a $200+M offer before Detroit came in with their offer.

nirvana235
04-25-2012, 10:43 PM
No, he wasn't.

Think about it. Fielder didn't sign until it was nearly February. If there had been a 200M dollar offer, he would have taken it back in December. There wasn't an offer remotely close to what Detroit gave him, or he would have signed with another team a month or two before hand. If there was a 200/8 offer on the table, why did he wait until the last week in January to sign a 214/9 deal?

He wasn't going to get anything close to an 8 year/200M deal if it hadn't been for Detroit overreacting to losing V-Mart. Fielder should have been signed a week or so after Pujols did, as he was the best remaining hitter on the market. Yet Pujols signs his 240M deal in the beginning of December while Fielder signs the last week in January. That suggests that there wasn't a $200+M offer before Detroit came in with their offer.

No source... you're just guessing right here. To think Detroit went out and gave a ridiculous amount to Fielder just because Vmart got injured is unlikely. I'd need some reliable source to believe it. Doesn't really matter anyways cause 150+ for Fielder is really risky territory. The history of 100 million contracts is very very bad, and to say this team was a Fielder away from the playoffs was too much of a stretch to risk all that money to a 1st basemen which will ultimately handcuff them in the future.

craigerlee
04-26-2012, 01:07 AM
No source... you're just guessing right here. To think Detroit went out and gave a ridiculous amount to Fielder just because Vmart got injured is unlikely. I'd need some reliable source to believe it. Doesn't really matter anyways cause 150+ for Fielder is really risky territory. The history of 100 million contracts is very very bad, and to say this team was a Fielder away from the playoffs was too much of a stretch to risk all that money to a 1st basemen which will ultimately handcuff them in the future.

Fan590 (http://www.fan590.com/ondemand/media.jsp?content=20120131_170530_7740)

Listen to this, their GM pretty much says they wouldn't of signed Fielder had V-Mart not gone down. He also mentions how quick the deal came together. That kinda signals a panic move to me.

wamco
04-26-2012, 01:42 AM
No source... you're just guessing right here. To think Detroit went out and gave a ridiculous amount to Fielder just because Vmart got injured is unlikely. I'd need some reliable source to believe it. Doesn't really matter anyways cause 150+ for Fielder is really risky territory. The history of 100 million contracts is very very bad, and to say this team was a Fielder away from the playoffs was too much of a stretch to risk all that money to a 1st basemen which will ultimately handcuff them in the future.


It's exactly what happened, I just read an article a few weeks ago in USA today about it, focus was on the owner spending big in detroit despite huge population shifts. owner said to get another bat, dombrowski said " you'll see alot of avail names that you might like, but only one is in his prime and a real difference maker- prince fielder". At first the owner shied away due to price tag but then said "go get him". A few days later it was done.

GrumpyOldMan
04-26-2012, 08:37 AM
I think Darvish will be good, but Fielder would not only give us his own statistics but he would give Bautista the protection that nobody else in our lineup can provide. That being said, I wouldn't have given that contract to Fielder but Darvish could have been a good investment.

town123
05-02-2012, 05:33 PM
Detroit's owners are getting on, both over 80 and huge supporters of the community. Besides the Wings and Tigers, they own a ton of stuff including the Motorcity Casino which as huge and fabulous. They want to win as much as possible before they kick over.

Although I wish the Jays were as well run as the Tigers or Wings, at least we have AA. For now.

TRIUMPHATOR
05-02-2012, 06:21 PM
Lind is 12 for 57 with 1 HR and 5 doubles...He has 6 RBI's and an OPS of .637 (15 games)
Fielder is 21 for 64 with 2 HR's and 2 dubs..he has 8 RBI's and an OPS of .842(17 games)

I don't know if he would have gotten us any extra wins so far..maybe 1.


Yu Darvish is 3-0 over his first 4 starts with an ERA of 2.42. He has 15 BB's and 2 HBP's in 26 IP and a WHIP of 1.577 , so he has been flirting with disaster so far...but he is coming off back to back solid starts against two of the best lineups in baseball.

Considering we won the game started by hutch..he wouldn't have helped us any more that night....but we did lose the game Carreno started in Cleveland. Darvish wasn't eh best in his first start against Seattle that week, so who knows if he would have pitched any better that day.....but maybe. I would say maybe 1 extra win.

So the addition of them both may have gotten us 2 more wins so far over the first month of the season......and Prince isn't even heating up yet...2 more wins a month though is the difference between 85 and 97 wins...so I think they would have been worth every stinking red penny...

Perfectly disected, the only thing is that I would add is that you would also get an extra win between Fielders obp over Lind and/or him protecting Bautista getting him better pitches to hit.

So a plus three to this point in the season for me.

2009mvp
05-03-2012, 11:36 AM
3 wins/month is pretty ****ing huge.

wamco
05-03-2012, 12:11 PM
ya but how many games has he missed because he is fat?

adid727
05-03-2012, 12:44 PM
No, he wasn't.

Think about it. Fielder didn't sign until it was nearly February. If there had been a 200M dollar offer, he would have taken it back in December. There wasn't an offer remotely close to what Detroit gave him, or he would have signed with another team a month or two before hand. If there was a 200/8 offer on the table, why did he wait until the last week in January to sign a 214/9 deal?

He wasn't going to get anything close to an 8 year/200M deal if it hadn't been for Detroit overreacting to losing V-Mart. Fielder should have been signed a week or so after Pujols did, as he was the best remaining hitter on the market. Yet Pujols signs his 240M deal in the beginning of December while Fielder signs the last week in January. That suggests that there wasn't a $200+M offer before Detroit came in with their offer.

Agreed. No offers for fielder close to what he was asking. Then V-mart gets injured and 214 million offer is on the table. I think its pretty clear that it was a reaction to v-mart getting injured. Even dombrowski mentioned that they needed someone to replace the injured v-mart in the clean-up role when they signed fielder.

adid727
05-03-2012, 12:48 PM
ya but how many games has he missed because he is fat?

Lol ask JPA for that. :laugh2:

Got Heem
05-03-2012, 08:55 PM
It's like AA said, one player is not going to take the team to the playoffs, especially when that one guy is eating up so much salary space. So let's say we did have Darvish and/or Prince, we look better on paper but think about the media circus that would be going on here. Texas seems to be doing well but Detroit and LA (2 teams with big signings) have been struggling so far.

adid727
05-03-2012, 09:08 PM
It's like AA said, one player is not going to take the team to the playoffs, especially when that one guy is eating up so much salary space. So let's say we did have Darvish and/or Prince, we look better on paper but think about the media circus that would be going on here. Texas seems to be doing well but Detroit and LA (2 teams with big signings) have been struggling so far.

Also steak. Don't forget that that one guy is eating up all the steak, which might affect the performance of other players that will sleep hungry do to the lack of food.

town123
05-04-2012, 05:35 PM
It's like AA said, one player is not going to take the team to the playoffs, especially when that one guy is eating up so much salary space. So let's say we did have Darvish and/or Prince, we look better on paper but think about the media circus that would be going on here. Texas seems to be doing well but Detroit and LA (2 teams with big signings) have been struggling so far.

Not for long.

I would love the Jays to have the Texas ownership or the Detroit family behind the team......erg