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futureman
04-21-2012, 12:48 PM
I'm sick of teams like the Warriors who promise their fanbase that they will make the playoffs and then when things get "tough" sit their starters because they don't have the balls to play hard. At least the Bobcats aren't seating anybody for the remainder of the season like GS who will never go anywhere when they do **** like this. If teams play hard, it may suprise them how far they can go. People pay to see teams compete and not tank.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-21-2012, 12:50 PM
no

Sadds The Gr8
04-21-2012, 12:54 PM
no...

Lakers + Giants
04-21-2012, 12:57 PM
no...

If you don't mind me asking, what was the greatest thread of all time?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-21-2012, 01:04 PM
If you don't mind me asking, what was the greatest thread of all time?

porn

b@llhog24
04-21-2012, 01:06 PM
Warriors Bench=Bobcats starters so its even.

ManningToTyree
04-21-2012, 01:07 PM
Tanking is impossible to prove so no

mvb815
04-21-2012, 01:12 PM
tanking is balls though, maybe change it so the team with the best record that doesn't make the playoffs has the highest chance. it would be a lot harder to rebuild, but at least we'd have a lot of teams playing hard every night

Hawkeye15
04-21-2012, 01:13 PM
Tanking is impossible to prove so no

this

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-21-2012, 01:14 PM
tanking is balls though, maybe change it so the team with the best record that doesn't make the playoffs has the highest chance. it would be a lot harder to rebuild, but at least we'd have a lot of teams playing hard every night

That would be ridicilous, then low seeded playoff teams would probably start tanking:o

mvb815
04-21-2012, 01:18 PM
That would be ridicilous, then low seeded playoff teams would probably start tanking:o

any low seeded playoff team who misses the playoffs on purpose for a draft pick would immediately feel the heat by the fans, smart in the long run, but not so much for marketing the short future

Sadds The Gr8
04-21-2012, 01:25 PM
If you don't mind me asking, what was the greatest thread of all time?

this porn thread in the GD forum that lasted 2 hrs. there was a crapload of hilarious porn gifs, and the thread magically went 40 pages, 600 posts. there were even mods there posting and they couldnt do anything because they didnt have pwoer in the GD forum. usually troll threads like that only last 10 mins max before mods close it.

tredigs
04-21-2012, 01:28 PM
Laughing over here @ the title of this thread. You have NO idea how the legal system works, do you? Imagine the litigation nightmare we'd have every single year if this was the case. Not to mention, the Warriors are a stupid example. Every one of their players are going balls out on a nightly basis. Management just made a calculated risk to trade one of its best players to secure a better future going forward. A tough and savvy move.

In closing, do more research.

ciaban
04-21-2012, 01:34 PM
wasn't the whole point of the draft lottery to keep people from tanking?

kenzo400
04-21-2012, 02:09 PM
I don't get this complaining about tanking. By the same logic shouldn't top seeded teams who rest their players be punished as well? I understand the motivation behind it. But if a winning team can purposefully sit it's best player because they see no point in getting pointless wins, than why can't teams that have no chance of playoffs do that too? Why would they play their starters and risk getting them injured when they have no hope for the season?

Lloyd Christmas
04-21-2012, 02:49 PM
The OP is obviously a Jazz fan.

Giraffes Rule
04-21-2012, 03:47 PM
Just out of curiosity, when you say you're "sick of teams like GS" what other examples are you talking about?

TrueFan420
04-21-2012, 04:00 PM
Laughing over here @ the title of this thread. You have NO idea how the legal system works, do you? Imagine the litigation nightmare we'd have every single year if this was the case. Not to mention, the Warriors are a stupid example. Every one of their players are going balls out on a nightly basis. Management just made a calculated risk to trade one of its best players to secure a better future going forward. A tough and savvy move.

In closing, do more research.

Well said

Frantico
04-21-2012, 04:01 PM
This tanking issue is becoming ridiculous and I'm surprised that something isn't being done about it. It's a disgrace to sportsmanship period. And it's an absolute insult to fans who spend their hard earned money to go see these teams LOSE ON PURPOSE?!? Come on guys, that's ridiculous. And sad.

I'm a Jazz fan, and nothing has been more frustrating than watching the Golden State Warriors (Warriors... really?) lose game after game so that they'll drop to 7 or lower in the draft. It's not just disrespectful to the Jazz but mostly to their own fans... I watch highlights and I'm always wondering... why are those fans even at the game? Knowing your team is going to lose on purpose??? You'd have a better time going to Vegas and wasting your money there, or better yet... give it away to charity.

What's disturbing is that I don't think it's the players tanking - I think it's in their competitive nature for the most part to try to win. It's management, placing stars/starters on the injured list and playing scrubs.

So what's the solution? First off the lottery should work backwards... the first team out of the playoffs should have the highest chance of the number 1 pick... And if a team tanks to miss the playoffs (and I doubt most teams would) so be it. At least they battled all season long, at least they deserve some kind of silver lining. And just because they have a higher chance for a number one pick doesn't mean they would get it and it certainly doesn't mean the pick would necessarily work out. It's not every year that there's a clear number 1 pick but at least the team who tried have the OPTION to pick who they want to pick.

But most importantly, it would bring competitiveness back into the league. Picture Anthony Davis on the Rockets, or the Suns, or any other team battling right now... it would reward them instantly and give them an instant boost for their franchise and for their fans for the following season. And that is how you keep a competitive league. That's what would make teams TRY to win. Anthony Davis in Toronto? Charlotte? Please. It would be just another case of waisted talent playing years in a losing culture.

What does Golden State deserve? Absolutely nothing. They are going against what sports are all about. It's a ****ing joke.

Hawkeye15
04-21-2012, 04:08 PM
How the **** does it make sense to have a reverse order in percentages amongst teams that miss the playoffs? Tanking happens in every sport. Get over it. The legalities of trying to do anything about it are overwhelming anyways.

Frantico
04-21-2012, 04:18 PM
Tanking happens in every sport? So what? That's like saying rape happens so it's okay to do it. If tanking weren't allowed then it wouldn't happen. Simple.

topdog
04-21-2012, 04:25 PM
One could argue that the Bobcats were tanking to start the season :shrug:

I was going to say you can't "prove" tanking but then again this league does make decisions on intent with suspensions so I guess they could.

Verbal Christ
04-21-2012, 04:25 PM
who's going to determine what game is a 'tank' ... bottom line some teams just plain old suck. some of you are sounding pussyhurt.

Giraffes Rule
04-21-2012, 05:57 PM
This tanking issue is becoming ridiculous and I'm surprised that something isn't being done about it. It's a disgrace to sportsmanship period. And it's an absolute insult to fans who spend their hard earned money to go see these teams LOSE ON PURPOSE?!? Come on guys, that's ridiculous. And sad.

I'm a Jazz fan, and nothing has been more frustrating than watching the Golden State Warriors (Warriors... really?) lose game after game so that they'll drop to 7 or lower in the draft. It's not just disrespectful to the Jazz but mostly to their own fans... I watch highlights and I'm always wondering... why are those fans even at the game? Knowing your team is going to lose on purpose??? You'd have a better time going to Vegas and wasting your money there, or better yet... give it away to charity.

What's disturbing is that I don't think it's the players tanking - I think it's in their competitive nature for the most part to try to win. It's management, placing stars/starters on the injured list and playing scrubs.

So what's the solution? First off the lottery should work backwards... the first team out of the playoffs should have the highest chance of the number 1 pick... And if a team tanks to miss the playoffs (and I doubt most teams would) so be it. At least they battled all season long, at least they deserve some kind of silver lining. And just because they have a higher chance for a number one pick doesn't mean they would get it and it certainly doesn't mean the pick would necessarily work out. It's not every year that there's a clear number 1 pick but at least the team who tried have the OPTION to pick who they want to pick.

But most importantly, it would bring competitiveness back into the league. Picture Anthony Davis on the Rockets, or the Suns, or any other team battling right now... it would reward them instantly and give them an instant boost for their franchise and for their fans for the following season. And that is how you keep a competitive league. That's what would make teams TRY to win. Anthony Davis in Toronto? Charlotte? Please. It would be just another case of waisted talent playing years in a losing culture.

What does Golden State deserve? Absolutely nothing. They are going against what sports are all about. It's a ****ing joke.

Everything in this post is ridiculous and wrong. You're just mad that the Jazz might not get that first round pick.

JeffG20
04-21-2012, 06:06 PM
This tanking issue is becoming ridiculous and I'm surprised that something isn't being done about it. It's a disgrace to sportsmanship period. And it's an absolute insult to fans who spend their hard earned money to go see these teams LOSE ON PURPOSE?!? Come on guys, that's ridiculous. And sad.

I'm a Jazz fan, and nothing has been more frustrating than watching the Golden State Warriors (Warriors... really?) lose game after game so that they'll drop to 7 or lower in the draft. It's not just disrespectful to the Jazz but mostly to their own fans... I watch highlights and I'm always wondering... why are those fans even at the game? Knowing your team is going to lose on purpose??? You'd have a better time going to Vegas and wasting your money there, or better yet... give it away to charity.

What's disturbing is that I don't think it's the players tanking - I think it's in their competitive nature for the most part to try to win. It's management, placing stars/starters on the injured list and playing scrubs.

So what's the solution? First off the lottery should work backwards... the first team out of the playoffs should have the highest chance of the number 1 pick... And if a team tanks to miss the playoffs (and I doubt most teams would) so be it. At least they battled all season long, at least they deserve some kind of silver lining. And just because they have a higher chance for a number one pick doesn't mean they would get it and it certainly doesn't mean the pick would necessarily work out. It's not every year that there's a clear number 1 pick but at least the team who tried have the OPTION to pick who they want to pick.

But most importantly, it would bring competitiveness back into the league. Picture Anthony Davis on the Rockets, or the Suns, or any other team battling right now... it would reward them instantly and give them an instant boost for their franchise and for their fans for the following season. And that is how you keep a competitive league. That's what would make teams TRY to win. Anthony Davis in Toronto? Charlotte? Please. It would be just another case of waisted talent playing years in a losing culture.

What does Golden State deserve? Absolutely nothing. They are going against what sports are all about. It's a ****ing joke.


and how the **** are teams like charlotte and Toronto going to get better if they cant get a high pick?

so not only can teams not keep their stars they wont be able to replace them draft wise either.....****ing awesome idea!!

JeffG20
04-21-2012, 06:07 PM
your post doesnt take into account for legit bad teams. i'd rather see bad teams tank and get a chance to at least get better then this backward *** draft idea

Jamiecballer
04-21-2012, 06:25 PM
yeah it would be sorta impossible to prove intent besides you're just sorta slapping a band-aid on the problem. the only thing that can truly prevent tanking is a true lottery with all 30 teams having the same odds, and i would definitely support that.

OutOfTHEBLUE
04-21-2012, 06:38 PM
What about giving all non-playoff teams equal chances at the lottery?

Anyway, it's impossible to prove "tanking", so there's really no way you can punish teams that are suspected of doing it.

Frantico
04-21-2012, 07:13 PM
Teams like Charlotte and Toronto would get better by A. Playing hard. Playing to win. Not resting their stars when they are not injured. B. Having a smart GM who makes the right choice with their draft picks, makes smart trades, picks up great FAs. C. Not having a cheap *** owner who won't spend on talent. And D. Have a winning mentality - a winning culture - in other words... they'd get better by NOT TANKING.

There's a reason why the Jazz are the Jazz and the Raptors are the Raptors.

But more importantly, having a reverse draft would give middle of the road teams (and small market teams) a real boost - the Bucks, Suns, Rockets, Pistons, Blazers, etc. would suddenly have a brighter future. And the lottery should be more of a lottery... the odds of getting the number one pick and every pick after that should be more evenly spread.

I"m actually not opposed to having an even lottery for all non-playoff teams - with everyone getting equal odds regardless of record.

The point is... losing on purpose should not be rewarded.

b@llhog24
04-21-2012, 07:22 PM
Teams like Charlotte and Toronto would get better by A. Playing hard. Playing to win. Not resting their stars when they are not injured. B. Having a smart GM who makes the right choice with their draft picks, makes smart trades, picks up great FAs. C. Not having a cheap *** owner who won't spend on talent. And D. Have a winning mentality - a winning culture - in other words... they'd get better by NOT TANKING.

There's a reason why the Jazz are the Jazz and the Raptors are the Raptors.

But more importantly, having a reverse draft would give middle of the road teams (and small market teams) a real boost - the Bucks, Suns, Rockets, Pistons, Blazers, etc. would suddenly have a brighter future. And the lottery should be more of a lottery... the odds of getting the number one pick and every pick after that should be more evenly spread.

I"m actually not opposed to having an even lottery for all non-playoff teams - with everyone getting equal odds regardless of record.

The point is... losing on purpose should not be rewarded.

Well it is so kick rocks dude. It won't happen.

raiderposting
04-21-2012, 08:53 PM
Teams like Charlotte and Toronto would get better by A. Playing hard. Playing to win. Not resting their stars when they are not injured. B. Having a smart GM who makes the right choice with their draft picks, makes smart trades, picks up great FAs. C. Not having a cheap *** owner who won't spend on talent. And D. Have a winning mentality - a winning culture - in other words... they'd get better by NOT TANKING.

There's a reason why the Jazz are the Jazz and the Raptors are the Raptors.

But more importantly, having a reverse draft would give middle of the road teams (and small market teams) a real boost - the Bucks, Suns, Rockets, Pistons, Blazers, etc. would suddenly have a brighter future. And the lottery should be more of a lottery... the odds of getting the number one pick and every pick after that should be more evenly spread.

I"m actually not opposed to having an even lottery for all non-playoff teams - with everyone getting equal odds regardless of record.

The point is... losing on purpose should not be rewarded.

how would these bad teams bring in quality FAs if they don't have any good young talent. your going to start giving max contracts to a sixth man? like others said, you just want the warriors pick.

BKLYNpigeon
04-21-2012, 09:16 PM
I'm sick of teams like the Warriors who promise their fanbase that they will make the playoffs and then when things get "tough" sit their starters because they don't have the balls to play hard. At least the Bobcats aren't seating anybody for the remainder of the season like GS who will never go anywhere when they do **** like this. If teams play hard, it may suprise them how far they can go. People pay to see teams compete and not tank.


U MAD?

hahah Warriors would get to keep your Utah Jazz's 7th pick. LOL.

willthethrill22
04-21-2012, 09:16 PM
I'm sick of teams like the Warriors who promise their fanbase that they will make the playoffs and then when things get "tough" sit their starters because they don't have the balls to play hard. At least the Bobcats aren't seating anybody for the remainder of the season like GS who will never go anywhere when they do **** like this. If teams play hard, it may suprise them how far they can go. People pay to see teams compete and not tank.

You do realize that the only started that isn't injured is Dorell Wright right? They have 3 rookies starting, of course they wont win games.

BKLYNpigeon
04-21-2012, 09:33 PM
THINK of it THIS WAY...

If you're a team that is Lottery bound. instead of wasting games left, you play your rookies to get more experience so you can improve next season. Why risk injury to youre Veterans?