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americaspasttim
04-20-2012, 11:11 PM
Which season was more impressive?
Bagwell:

PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
479 400 104 147 32 2 39 116 15 4 65 65 .368 .451 .750 1.201 213

Pujols

PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
685 591 137 212 51 1 43 124 5 1 79 65 .359 .439 .667 1.106 187

VenezuelanMet
04-21-2012, 12:56 AM
Bagwell by far. Even if Bagwell's raw numbers were a bit worse than Pujols' it was a season in the freakin Astrodome.

Frank Thomas' 94 was better than Pujols as well.

Fly
04-21-2012, 11:16 AM
Bagwell's season, even if some of his percentage numbers were inflated because he had more than 200 less plate appearances. He hit a home run every 10 times he went up to bat :speechless:

bagwell368
04-21-2012, 10:38 PM
Neutralized slash:

JB: .369/.453/.752

AP: .357/.437/.666

Not very close.

Fly
04-21-2012, 11:25 PM
Neutralized slash:

JB: .369/.453/.752

AP: .357/.437/.666

Not very close.

Bagwell had significantly less PAs though

Rad_Racing
04-22-2012, 11:14 AM
Normally I can be a skeptic and say "If ____ played a/the full season, who knows he could have gone into a major slump or we don't what would have happened..." With Bagwell in '94, I don't think that was possible. He was insane. That was such a fun season and then made my last month of summer vacation less important.

bosox3431
04-22-2012, 12:58 PM
Bagwell had significantly less PAs though

Bagwell also played in one of the worst hitters park ever.

bosox3431
04-22-2012, 01:21 PM
Also, I think Pujols' 08 season was better then his 03 season. In 08 his slg was 14 points lower, but his obp was 23 points higher. His wOBA for the two years was .462 in 03 and 458 in 08. They're pretty close.

bagwell368
04-22-2012, 10:37 PM
Bagwell had significantly less PAs though

Yes everyone knows he broke his hand. So in terms of quantity Pujols's year was worth more, but in terms of rates, forget it.

In 69.9% as many PA's Bagwell's season was worth 81.7% as much as Pujols's (per rWAR)

WadeKobe
04-24-2012, 02:53 AM
Bags. Any time you ask "was Bagwell's [awesome season] better than [random player's] [awesome season]"....

The answer is always "Bagwell", unless of course the other player is Frank Thomas.

todu82
04-24-2012, 12:55 PM
Bagwell's easily especially when you consider he only played until August and Pujols played a full season.

Jeffy25
04-24-2012, 04:07 PM
200 additional plate appearances, that's hard to make up

Jeffy25
04-24-2012, 04:08 PM
Yes everyone knows he broke his hand. So in terms of quantity Pujols's year was worth more, but in terms of rates, forget it.

In 69.9% as many PA's Bagwell's season was worth 81.7% as much as Pujols's (per rWAR)

broke his hand?

Do you mean the players strike?

Jeffy25
04-24-2012, 04:09 PM
Bags. Any time you ask "was Bagwell's [awesome season] better than [random player's] [awesome season]"....

The answer is always "Bagwell", unless of course the other player is Frank Thomas.

Unless of course you are talking about Barry Bonds

WadeKobe
04-24-2012, 04:20 PM
broke his hand?

Do you mean the players strike?

No. This is 1993. The Player's strike was 1994.

WadeKobe
04-24-2012, 04:23 PM
Unless of course you are talking about Barry Bonds

I was kidding. :) Bags was always my second favorite position player.

Frank
Bags
Pudge
Ozzie
Bonds
Ventura

I was not speaking objectively, but joking about my own personal bias towards and appreciation for Jeff Bagwell.

Rad_Racing
04-24-2012, 05:30 PM
broke his hand?

Do you mean the players strike?

I think he broke his hand right before the strike.

WadeKobe
04-25-2012, 12:55 AM
I think he broke his hand right before the strike.

You're right, I was wrong. For whatever reason I saw '93. Oops.