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NYtilIdie
04-14-2012, 11:40 AM
The last 10 years after Duncan won his 2nd MVP in the 02-03 season where he would go to the Finals & win, after Duncan each player that has won the season MVP never made it to The Finals and only one player to do so was Kobe Bryant in the 07-08 season, but to lose to the newly formed Boston Celtics.

Here's the list of players that won after Duncan in 02-03

Kevin Garnett: T-Wolves had the best record in the West, lost to the Lakers in the WCF

Steve Nash: Suns had the best record in the league, but lost to the Spurs in the WCF. He would repeat as MVP next year, but lose once again in the WCF to the Mavs.

Dirk Nowitski: Had the best record in the league, but lost in the notorious 1st round series against the 8th seed Warriors.

Kobe Bryant: Best record in the West, only to lose to the Boston Celtics in the Finals. The only MVP after Duncan to make it to the Finals.

Lebron James: Had the best record in the NBA only to lose to the Magic in the ECF. Won it again the next year, again having the best record in the league but this time doesn't even make it to the ECF, the Cavs lost in the Semi-Conference against Boston.

Derrick Rose: Had the best record in the league along with the best defense, but lost in the ECF to the newly formed Miami Heat.


So as history has shown just because you win the MVP & have the best record in the league, doesn't guarantee you a spot in the Finals, if anything it just stacks the odds against you.

Cal827
04-14-2012, 11:44 AM
Well, this should convince the Heat Haters that Lebron is no doubt the MVP this year :D

justinnum1
04-14-2012, 12:00 PM
what if you win mvp and dont have the best record;)

Furymaker
04-14-2012, 12:14 PM
what if you win mvp and dont have the best record;)

this + and you have another level just waiting for the playoff ?

NYtilIdie
04-14-2012, 12:25 PM
what if you win mvp and dont have the best record;)

See Garnett, Kobe & Nash.

justinnum1
04-14-2012, 12:29 PM
this + and you have another level just waiting for the playoff ?

Just waiting for the bulls;)

JasonJohnHorn
04-14-2012, 12:44 PM
I think there is a reason for this. Usually when you win MVP, its because you team depends on you so heavily. When Shaq and Kobe were together, they didn't depend too heavily on one or the other, and because they had a good bench and good role players, neither of them was really up for the MVP, because they had two MVP candidates on the team. So when you are on a good team, you can't win the MVP because its a team effort. The guy who usually wins an MVP award is the guy who's doing most of the work for his team, so when they meet deeper teams in the playoffs, they lose.

Just a thought.

ichitownclowni
04-14-2012, 01:36 PM
Ok take it LeBron :D

blastmasta26
04-14-2012, 02:00 PM
I think there is a reason for this. Usually when you win MVP, its because you team depends on you so heavily. When Shaq and Kobe were together, they didn't depend too heavily on one or the other, and because they had a good bench and good role players, neither of them was really up for the MVP, because they had two MVP candidates on the team. So when you are on a good team, you can't win the MVP because its a team effort. The guy who usually wins an MVP award is the guy who's doing most of the work for his team, so when they meet deeper teams in the playoffs, they lose.

Just a thought.

Good point, and seems to be the likely reason.

kozelkid
04-14-2012, 02:18 PM
You should have added, "unless you're Michael Jordan." :)

Granted, Bulls didn't win when he won MVP in '88.

Jayrich28
04-14-2012, 08:01 PM
What is this the nba version of the madden curse?

Jayrich28
04-14-2012, 08:07 PM
But really those guys who won deserved them and there teams just came up short.....just cause u win mvp ur team isnt destined to lose in the playoffs.

Players shouldnt be trying to avoid being mvp to win now.
Lls

THE MTL
04-14-2012, 08:13 PM
The last 10 years after Duncan won his 2nd MVP in the 02-03 season where he would go to the Finals & win, after Duncan each player that has won the season MVP never made it to The Finals and only one player to do so was Kobe Bryant in the 07-08 season, but to lose to the newly formed Boston Celtics.

Here's the list of players that won after Duncan in 02-03

Kevin Garnett: T-Wolves had the best record in the West, lost to the Lakers in the WCF

Steve Nash: Suns had the best record in the league, but lost to the Spurs in the WCF. He would repeat as MVP next year, but lose once again in the WCF to the Mavs.

Dirk Nowitski: Had the best record in the league, but lost in the notorious 1st round series against the 8th seed Warriors.

Kobe Bryant: Best record in the West, only to lose to the Boston Celtics in the Finals. The only MVP after Duncan to make it to the Finals.

Lebron James: Had the best record in the NBA only to lose to the Magic in the ECF. Won it again the next year, again having the best record in the league but this time doesn't even make it to the ECF, the Cavs lost in the Semi-Conference against Boston.

Derrick Rose: Had the best record in the league along with the best defense, but lost in the ECF to the newly formed Miami Heat.


So as history has shown just because you win the MVP & have the best record in the league, doesn't guarantee you a spot in the Finals, if anything it just stacks the odds against you.

History doesnt show anything. This is a ******** thread I'm sorry. But your history is too short term. Just to prove it to you.

Okay, so go back an additional 10 years from 2003 down to 1993. 50% of the time MVP wins title.

Olajawon- 1994 MVP- Wins title
Michael Jordan- 1996/1998 MVP- Wins two titles
Shaq- 2000 MVP- wins title.
Duncan- 2003 MVP- wins title.

And then lets go back an additional 10 years 1983 - 1993. 70% of the time the MVP won the championship.

Moses Malone- 1983 MVP- wins title
Larry Bird- 1984/1986 MVP- wins two titles
Magic Johnson- 1987 MVP- wins title
Michael Jordan- 1991/1992/1993 MVP- wins three titles



#endthread....kthanksbye

tredigs
04-14-2012, 08:23 PM
Huge reason for this is because the media loves voting for players that have less star talent around them.

But, that is not the case for KD or Lebron this year.

Also, "THE MTL" just sh-t on your point and effectively ruined your thread.

ManRam
04-14-2012, 08:38 PM
My snobbish response: all that is coincidence, so who cares? ;) None of those teams didn't win it all BECAUSE they had the MVP...

But that is a cool little factoid that I did not know about.

ModernDaySavage
04-14-2012, 09:13 PM
Calm down guys. He did say the last 10 years, not like he said all of NBA history. He just should have said recent history, that's all.

THE MTL
04-14-2012, 09:44 PM
Calm down guys. He did say the last 10 years, not like he said all of NBA history. He just should have said recent history, that's all.

Still its a dumb correlation and has no true relation at all. Especially if you read my previous post cause from 1983 - 2003. 60% of the time the NBA MVP won the NBA title which is a MUCH STRONGER statistic.